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You haven't given us any information for us to understand the problem. However, benefit of the doubt is usually wise.Do I give this ‘friend’ the benefit of the doubt or is it toast? Your opinion matters to ME.
Always give friends the benefit of the doubt. That is always good advice, IMHO, but particularly when our ”friendshihp” is based on online communications only. I am willing to bet that whatever the issue, if you and unnamed friend had been in the same room together, it would not have taken whatever negative turn it has taken.Do I give this ‘friend’ the benefit of the doubt or is it toast? Your opinion matters to ME.
This is such good advice. I have thought recently about one person I used to consider a good friend and then that person totally betrayed the trust and confidence of another good friend. This was years ago, and I totally severed the relationship. That is the first and only time I’ve ever done that, but have wondered recently whether I really want to go to my grave (sorry to be dramatic) with that bit of negativity. So,filly, mty answer is yes, I think you should apply the benefit of the doubt criterion.life just too short to hangout with negativity and disdain for too long.
Parga!!! Wow, I remember the first (and maybe only time) I had Parga. It was in the restaurant in Baamonde on the Norte, run by the man with the long beard who did all the cooking and made the queimada. He may have been somehow related to the artist whose house and garden was near the little church. He told us it was a river fish, and I remember thinking it was totally yummy. In fact, I am now going to rack my brain to remember more details about this place, thanks for mentioning it, filly! I think the place has closed. But surely some forum members will remember it.I am still a novice at posting things so here is the full menu. I am so grateful to peregrina2000 for sending me here (and there.. over the years - a true and valued ‘guardian angel’.
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Here is Piola Pianobar yesterday evening..Peregrina2000 - you are the ‘Laurie who never sleeps’!!
Anyroads, I gave your second resto recommendation a miss as it was unpatronised and linked to a hotel..
So my finale luncheon is Michelin rated Casas Colgadas (chef / Jesús Segura).
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Sorry - Gastrobar!
Sorry - Gastrobar!
I would say give the benefit of doubt, whilst continuing to do what suits you best. I think the urge to walk the camino is difficult for some to understand.Do I give this ‘friend’ the benefit of the doubt or is it toast? Your opinion matters to ME.
Did you walk right by the Roman ruins at Noheda? I think @C clearly would have not stopped but I thought it was so worth it! Free admission and a good “tour” by a very knowledgeable guide.Just made it to Villar. Greeted by Xavier at the bar by name! The word gets around…
Thank you. Wise words. You ‘get it’.I would say give the benefit of doubt, whilst continuing to do what suits you best. I think the urge to walk the camino is difficult for some to understand.
Did you walk right by the Roman ruins at Noheda? I think @C clearly would have not stopped but I thought it was so worth it! Free admission and a good “tour” by a very knowledgeable guide.
I definitely wanted to visit. My only issue was that I needed (and got) taxi assistance at the start because I would have found it difficult to walk 20 km before 11 a.m., when the tour was scheduled.I think @C clearly would have not stopped
The binmen came by at 03.00 to empty the two containers nearby… and eureka! I realise what the issue typifies.You haven't given us any information for us to understand the problem. However, benefit of the doubt is usually wise.
Be careful. Things happen after a Badedas bath. Sorry I sold you a bum steer about the way into Cuenca. That´s the problem with alternatives, you never know what the other one was like. In my defence, I believe at least one old hand (who will remain nameless) recommended the same thing.Scented à la Badedas
I would ask why he/she feels threatened by your reaching out...for so they do. They need to own their own feelings, rather than chastising you for how *they* feel.… on another track.
A ‘budding’ friendship has resulted in my being castigated for ostensibly longing for the peace and quiet and thoughtfulness and mindfulness of the Camino whilst reaching out and communicating with Ivar’s web of like-minded souls. I was really shocked and put out as you lot, out there, never met, but ‘known’ and trusted ARE my support network who keep me (and others) going when one is parched/lost/in pain/foodless and blindly searching.
My friends and family can’t understand the urge to hike, and specifically in Spain and on Caminos and always NW to the field of stars.
Do I give this ‘friend’ the benefit of the doubt or is it toast? Your opinion matters to ME.
Abrazos…
Thank you for your thoughtfulness…I would ask why he/she feels threatened by your reaching out...for so they do. They need to own their own feelings, rather than chastising you for how *they* feel.
If they can't answer/ won't answer, then that's your second chance and done.
There were actually two further bars in the Plaza Nueva… but the hotel looked closed snd the Casas Rural undergoing works.Valdeolivas - church yard locked!
Apparently only one bar/tienda. Having a ‘hara’ - the word for a tankard (usually taken from the freezer!)
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Bless! as they say.I had to look at Maggie’s blog to see where the Las Vegas was because it didn’t ring a bell. That was their way of lengthening what would otherwise have been a short day from Trillo to Cifuentes. It was a couple of km off camino. I tried calling the phone number listed for their location on googlemaps but it’s been busy. 34 919 847 403 Is that the number you’re calling? Maybe they take the phone off the hook during meal time, since it is Saturday lunch time now.
Maggie’s stages were Trillo to Masegoso (Hostal Las Vegas) to Mandayona to Sigüenza.
Our stages were Viana de Mondejar to Cifuentes to Mandayona to Sigüenza.
So even if you have to do a very short day tomorrow to Cifuentes, you can easily get to Sigüenza in two days.
There are two pensiones in Cifuentes but they were filled with nuclear reactor repairmen when we were there and we had quite the adventure trying to get into the albergue. I will fill you in on it if you decide to stay there and can’t get into a pensión or want to stay in the albergue (very basic, out of town a ways, but fine).
I’ll have to hunt for my Lana stuff to help with the Sigüenza to Burgos question.
Leaving Samerón just after six, I was not prepared for the 90 minute cardio routine of ‘arriba, arriba’ but I made it. Marking perfect unlike the past few days.
I took the woodland way with an autovia camino, newly widened, then branched off to Villaescusa de Palositos. Fence access as described by K O*B no issue. few loose horses; some orchestra of dogs behind high, padlocked gates. The apsidal church with north facing belfry resplendent in silhouette but unapproachable. Thereafter one fastened gate… and another firmly padlocked which necessitated some 80’s limbo dance moves!!!
No-one in residence in the Dallas hacienda.
Where did you stay?
Just as a heads up to other Lana pilgrims. The albergue in Cifuentes is indeed very basic, but it was clean, had beds and a bathroom with hot showers. Getting the key may be difficult, but there is one hidden outside the albergue. If you talk to the municipality and get the ok to stay there, I will be happy to PM anyone with the instructions on where to find the key. Though I speak good Spanish, the people in the ayuntamiento just could not properly describe where the key was, and we wound up having the mayor come out to show us!My itinerary was slightly different. I overnighted at the albergue in Mondejar de Viana, climbed the Teta de Viana the following morning, descended to Trillo, where I had a lunch break then carried on to Cifuentes. I stayed in Hostal San Roque in Cifuentes. There is/was an albergue in Cifuentes but the bar that holds the key was shut and there was no phone number. More than happy with San Roque as I heard the albergue is pretty basic (polideportivo?).
Trillo - lovely spot, especially down by the cascade, but I was there on a weekend and it was just too busy. After a sandwich and a beer I cracked on. Can't think where the albergue is. Close to the bullring?
Actually, over the bridge, left to rnd and it is on the right.The albergue is next to the bullring / the last building on the right after you go over the bridge. Quiet and actually cool.
Now off to the picina municipal.
Gracias Trillo for this kind gesture - I would have found nowhere else to stay…
ps photo to follow
pps be inventive: drying clothes… on doorknobs, over doors, over chairs. There is even one electric room heater in one of the cleaners cupboards!
The albergue is basic but adequate. Confusingly, it is in the sports pavilion next to a sports field, not the polideportivo as some have reported. It's an attractive little town.My itinerary was slightly different. I overnighted at the albergue in Mondejar de Viana, climbed the Teta de Viana the following morning, descended to Trillo, where I had a lunch break then carried on to Cifuentes. I stayed in Hostal San Roque in Cifuentes. There is/was an albergue in Cifuentes but the bar that holds the key was shut and there was no phone number. More than happy with San Roque as I heard the albergue is pretty basic (polideportivo?).
Thanks DB. Would you have a photo by any chance of said pavilion?The albergue is basic but adequate. Confusingly, it is in the sports pavilion next to a sports field, not the polideportivo as some have reported. It's an attractive little town.
I’ve been scratching my head a bit for the 7 day plan.Any suggestions of seven day Sigüenza to Burgos?
I may just have a long final day and jump on a bus to miss the entry from the south into Burgos… Anyone remember if the final 20 kms have charm?
Hey! Noheda was way back when AND the wrond day.I’ve been scratching my head a bit for the 7 day plan.
Sigüenza - Atienza is 31. The next option for sleeping, at least according to what I see, is Miedes de Atienza, and that would be 16 more kms, grand total of 47. So I think you are stuck with Atienza as your first day’s stop (very nice town, nice caste to climb up to, nice plaza, etc).
Atienza to Retortillo is 22. If you skip the GR diversion (described in Maggie’s blog), it would be another 15 to Caracena, grand total of 37.
Caracena to San Esteban. About 28, really no way to add on anything else.
San Esteban to Huerta de Rey, without the detour to Clunia, would be about 37.
Huerta de Rey to Covarrubias about 35
Covarrubias to Burgos is about 41, but you could take a bus in from somewhere along there.
HEy, that’s only 6 days! But here’s what you miss — the Roman ruins at Clunia, the gorge/desfiladero de la Yecla, the monastery at San Pedro de Arlanza and the visigothic church near Quintanilla de las Viñas.
You could pick one of those detours and then spread this out to 7 days. For instance, to see the Visigothic church at Quintanilas, go Covarrubias - Quintanillas - Modúbar de San Cibrián one day and Modúbar to Burgos the second day.
This may not help much, but it’s a start.
I thought it was quite a pleasant walk almost into the city - nothing spectacular, but a very nice wind-down to the Lana.Anyone have any feelings about the delights of entry into Burgos from the south??
… also, my Wikiloc froze - perhaps due to the phone being so very hot!Made it to Cifuentes by 08.30 taking the Camino initially and switching to CM followed by N204 to gain speed.
Good view back to the Tetas and the power station.
Lovely walk with river gurgling. I gave the tree walk a miss as I generally wear a hat against sun and ticks… but when hiking fast (6kms per hour plus) my head gets too hot!
Anyway..
yesterday, I was on the lovely walk when I stepped on one end of a branch. The other end reared up, cut my leg and ripped my trousers… (goblin patched up hole at a midnight hour).
Later at this spot I became really confused and could not find the way.. all overgrown and ploughed field. I ended up taking the bici route which was much longer and mainly road. So I missed Viana altogether…
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Please could you also reveal how one makes a donation to the site…… and a shave?!? Thanks for the heads up!
OOPS, I have corrected my post — I am talking about the Roman ruins at Clunia, which are about 4 kms from Quintanarraya (where we stayed) And then about 7 more km to Huerta de Rey. If you do these mega days, you will go from San Esteban and then through Quintanarraya to Huerta de Rey. We actually went to two different Roman sites, Noheda (directly on the Lana), and the bigger site at Clunia, with a theater and several villas, etc). But hey, you can’t see everything.Hey! Noheda was way back when AND the wrond day.
I remember this day so well, it was one of our hottest, I think, but nothing like your temperatures! I decided to take the railway bridge, with the hope that I would have some trains whizzing by under me, and I did! I had a rest close to the bridge, and watched about 4 or 5 appear and dissapear in the twinkling of an eye. Clearly a fast train line! Not all RENFE, though — I saw some of the new cheaper lines.The storm drain shows how in DRY WEATHER you can shorten your way by easily walking through rather than taking the over railway bridge. Also possible to take the diagonal agricultural track.. a compass helps N/NW
I thought it was quite a pleasant walk almost into the city - nothing spectacular, but a very nice wind-down to the Lana.
This is a Camino I hope to do again. I am SO enjoying it, in spite of the heat.
…. and there is so much to look forward to … the Tetas, the gorge walk, Sad Hill, off track churches.
Ah, yes - the goat track! It wasn't quite so overgrown in May, but I would not have had the confidence to take it without two very convincing GPS tracks that were in agreement with the arrow. It was a fun walk although Wikiloc had to beep me back on the invisible path a few times. There was no cell phone reception, either, so I made a point to not break a leg. Neither could I confirm with @Peregrina that she had taken the same track. She was, as usual, about 2 hours ahead of me waiting for me in Viana.Later at this spot I became really confused and could not find the way.. all overgrown and ploughed field. I ended up taking the bici route which was much longer and mainly road. So I missed Viana altogether…
Good that you made it! We developed a useful awareness of the topographic lines on the Wikiloc maps. We made a point of descending the hills before the lines got too close!Long story to be continued. But basically I came down the cliff face!
Covarubbias to Burgos is ca. 63 kms. by foot, walking the Camino San Olav in reverse: Ca. 45 mins. by bus. It is leaving at 9 AM just outside the city arch entrance to Covarrubias.Covarrubias to Burgos is about 41, but you could take a bus in from somewhere along there.
@filly is walking the Lana and was asking about getting from Sigüenza to Burgos in a week, so I think that adding 20 more kms is not going to be possible. Covarrubias to Burgos on the Lana is actually 42, not 41. I do have some ideas about how he could walk a part of the San Olav, and still get to Burgos in the week time frame, but that would involve cutting out the visit to the Ermita, so it really wouldn’t be a San Olav for him.Covarubbias to Burgos is ca. 63 kms. by foot, walking the Camino San Olav in reverse:
I can’t seem to turn my auto-alarm off (any ideas???) but @ peregrina2000 ‘camino of thought’ reminds me of those stunning Visigoth churches on the San Salvador, including the one incongruously in the suburbs of Oviedo (not the ‘two in one’ in the fields). I remember the door being ajar and I barged into some event - welcomed, as ever, as a pilgrim!@filly is walking the Lana and was asking about getting from Sigüenza to Burgos in a week, so I think that adding 20 more kms is not going to be possible. Covarrubias to Burgos on the Lana is actually 42, not 41. I do have some ideas about how he could walk a part of the San Olav, and still get to Burgos in the week time frame, but that would involve cutting out the visit to the Ermita, so it really wouldn’t be a San Olav for him.
Here is a video of the town hall on departure morning! Set me up for the day (photos if I am unable to upload video). Enjoy..Actually, over the bridge, left to rnd and it is on the right.
Now at 22.00 it os much quieter and deliciously cool. Have just done the ‘cascades’ walk / delightful! Now enhanced by ‘Philips’ lurid green/red changing spot lights! (not captured (as is the town hall rooftop clock).
A great spot. Cascade side resto still serving barbecued meats and bevvies.
Last night in Salmerón, the lovely, lively bar behind the albergue necessitated ear plugs for an unbroken nights sleep.
This is a Camino I hope to do again. I am SO enjoying it, in spite of the heat.
…. and there is so much to look forward to … the Tetas, the gorge walk, Sad Hill, off track churches.
I will reveal my ‘faux pas’ and altercation of this morning later. This changed my route somewhat to my chagrin but it is all sorted!
…. no! I became confused (once again) at Mirabueno. Definitely not deliberate.Did you deliberately leave the track to take a shortcut to Aragosa?
ps same goes for the cascades ALL NIGHT LONG!Here is a video of the town hall on departure morning! Set me up for the day (photos if I am unable to upload video). Enjoy..
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Are you starting the Primitivo in Ponferrada by any chance? (great private albergue called the Guina or nearly there.. Let me know if you are into museums (I can hear the ‘guffaws’ from here, you lot bemused by my fancies!)@filly, just found your thread about an hour ago, have thoroughly enjoyed reading through/ catching up with your journey. It’s 32 here (Germany) at the moment and I’m sitting in the shade, I do NOT envy you walking in up to 40 degrees ! As a newbie to the whole Camino concept (Ingles in April, starting the Primitivo in a week) I’m fascinated/ in awe of the veterans on this site- many of whom seem to be following this thread. Myoff to you all.
You said earlier that you’re no writer - I beg to differ.
And clearly, despite 35 + years travelling, I have a bit to learn about finding great food!!
Journey on!
town.
´Town´ is pushing it a bit for Aragosa. One of the locals (of about 8) invited us to buy it, only half-joking. Very nice place though. We had trouble getting from Mirabueno too, especially at first where Wikilocs always seemed slightly to one side of where it should have been, but after an initial scramble or two we found the dirt road and got into ´town´ unscathed. The Rio Dulce gorge is spectacular especially early morning, look out for deer. If Peterexpatkiwi reads this, the Primitivo starts in Oviedo, the Invierno on the other hand...…. no! I became confused (once again) at Mirabueno. Definitely not deliberate.
MY MISTAKE…my referring to Ponferrada. Perdonemé!´Town´ is pushing it a bit for Aragosa. One of the locals (of about 8) invited us to buy it, only half-joking. Very nice place though. We had trouble getting from Mirabueno too, especially at first where Wikilocs always seemed slightly to one side of where it should have been, but after an initial scramble or two we found the dirt road and got into ´town´ unscathed. The Rio Dulce gorge is spectacular especially early morning, look out for deer. If Peterexpatkiwi reads this, the Primitivo starts in Oviedo, the Invierno on the other hand...
Brilliant! Only watched what I have hiked so more to look forward to! Great to have another perspective!
This is a video/slide show I put together of our walk last year. Hope you all enjoy it. It´s about 16 minutes long.
…. no! I became confused (once again) at Mirabueno. Definitely not deliberate.
I had enough food, water and spare battery but really did think that I would need to overnight in the wild. Also coverage was fine.
This could have had an unhappy ending, so I am very glad to hear that you are ok. Hoping your day today is filled with much less scariness! Or better yet, no scariness at all.But basically I came down the cliff face!
I am safely in Sigüenza! In a luxe bed with air/con and a somewhat bruised BTM.This could have had an unhappy ending, so I am very glad to hear that you are ok. Hoping your day today is filled with much less scariness! Or better yet, no scariness at all.
On that note, you might want to think twice before deciding whether to scale the castle at Pelegrina. By all means get up there for a good view, but I couldn’t find a path that looked reasonable.
Yikes! I did do it! A 45 minute distance from the truckers resto at the roadway turned into 4 hours. My Wikilost took me to Algora rather than Aragosa/I took a wrong turn in Mirabueno.. I SHOULD have backtracked but relished a mini-adventure, not realising there were valleys and gorges in-between. Anyway, I survived. I was not phased or panicked. Just intent on reaching my target ultimately - I KNEW someone had done it before me (confirmed by an Aragosa inhabitant).I'm very confused, but this happens to me more and more. I hope that wasn't the cliff (photo in 181) that you came down, filly? There was I thinking I was on a Forum of sober-minded people giving sound advice ;-)
From memory that stretch was mostly along the river until you get to Pelegrina. From your tracks (191) it looks as though you didn't go via Mandoyanna and cut a corner off to Aragosa?
The hike up to the ruins at Pelegrina is definitely worth the effort - loads of vultures circling when I was there, but the bar was closed in the village (October).
I am aiming for one ce soir, thanks to a member recommendation.I love castles, especially ruins. They’re often in such fantastic locations - like the one above. Thanks for the pictures!
Just as a matter of interest, roughly what does a meal at a Michilin star restaurant cost where you are? (Assume it’s cheaper?)
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