Walked the Camino over 12 times to Santiago never once went into Cathedral.

[MickMac]

Walked the Camino to Santiago over 12 times now, never once did I go into the Cathedral.

I was impressed by it's understated magnificent facade never felt a need to go in. I am not unreligious just never felt the need.

 

[SioCamino]

If still in Santiago I would recommend popping in to have a wander around. I think that the recent renovation was just wonderful, restoring the flow of the cathedral back to its origins and bringing in very sympathetic modern features (specifically the lighting which is I think is very beautiful and while clearly modern is used in an unobtrusive way and in fact highlights features).

 

[JabbaPapa]

Prior to its most recent cleanup/renovation, this church did have its flaws -- but if you intend to return once more, it has become straightforwardly gorgeous both out and in.

Otherwise, as I am a silly pedant -- if you have been to the Pilgrim Office, it is technically a part of the Cathedral.

Honestly, next time just go in.

It is a very beautiful church.

 

[Caomhin O Fearghaill]

I wonder why you felt the need to say why you never felt the need?

 

[SabsP]

In 2011 you were still allowed to enter with your backpack.
A very moving moment.

A month ago I was able to participate twice in the Pilgrim's Mass at 7.30 pm. Both times the Botafumeiro was in action. I appreciated how they announced this ritual as an integral part of the service and not some kind of " event ". There were more people not filming than filming.
Could be that the evening service attracts more contemplative people?

 

[Dani7]

I wonder why you felt the need to say why you never felt the need?

…and I wonder why I felt the need to click open this thread . The title said it all and I am questioning my own motive.

 

[OTH86]

FWIW, @MicMac, James A. Michener's book Iberia (1968) has incredible descriptions of the Cathedral, inside and out - architecturally, historically and artistically. I'm taking those 99 pages with me in a couple of weeks, for a more thorough appreciation when I arrive again...

 

[MickMac]

I wonder why you felt the need to say why you never felt the need?

It baffles me, Maybe? for me reaching your destination is a completion and fulfilment of my Camino. Maybe? I did not want this "ending",

Maybe? it's the tourism all around it for some, "not begrudging it" it's a day out on the tour bus,

I wanted a more spiritual experience that did not exist.

Also had the same feeling at the cruz de ferro wanted it to mean more than queuing with my rock and feelings.
Maybe? I am just weird or sad .

 

[Perambulating Griffin]

I have been to the cathedral and prayed at the remains of the saint, but I go to mass at the Pilgrim office (so that I can avoid the gawkers in the cathedral who won't respect the private nature of mass and insist of filming, snapping photos etc).

 

[Turga]

just never felt the need.

Good for you (I guess). What other things didn’t you feel a need to do and want to share?

 

[Kirkie]

It baffles me, Maybe? for me reaching your destination is a completion and fulfilment of my Camino. Maybe? I did not want this "ending",

Maybe? it's the tourism all around it for some, "not begrudging it" it's a day out on the tour bus,

I wanted a more spiritual experience that did not exist.

Also had the same feeling at the cruz de ferro wanted it to mean more than queuing with my rock and feelings.
Maybe? I am just weird or sad .

Did you know about room 6 upstairs at the Pilgrim office?

Camino Companions - Faithful Companions of Jesus

Camino Companions is an FCJ project in Santiago de Compostela to offer pilgrims a space to articulate and find meaning at the end of their Camino.

www.fcjsisters.org

 

[MickMac]

Did you know about room 6 upstairs at the Pilgrim office?

Camino Companions - Faithful Companions of Jesus

Camino Companions is an FCJ project in Santiago de Compostela to offer pilgrims a space to articulate and find meaning at the end of their Camino.

www.fcjsisters.org

Is it a hitchcock film.

 

[SabsP]

It baffles me, Maybe? for me reaching your destination is a completion and fulfilment of my Camino. Maybe? I did not want this "ending",

Maybe? it's the tourism all around it for some, "not begrudging it" it's a day out on the tour bus,

I wanted a more spiritual experience that did not exist.

Also had the same feeling at the cruz de ferro wanted it to mean more than queuing with my rock and feelings.
Maybe? I am just weird or sad .

How can you be sure that the people on the tourbus are not devout Catholics with an abundance of spirituality and deep Faith?

 

[Kirkie]

Is it a hitchcock film.

Meet me at EPIC and I'll tell you. Or St James' St Church, any volunteer will entertain you gladly! Time is running out, so go before the end of October, any Thursday, Friday or Saturday 10.30 till 3.30.

 

[dbier]

If you never went inside, particularly if you never went in with an open Camino spirit, what is your basis for deciding it wasn't a "more spiritual experience?" To me, it's rather like traveling to attend a party or visit someone and never going inside.

If you're looking for validation for your personal choice, some people have and will validate it.

*I* wonder what you were afraid you'd find, or Who you were afraid might find you.

Buen Camino, whenever you continue it.

 

[Tincatinker]

I did attend Mass in 2012. In a sense of search?

I do visit that beautiful building every time I’m in Santiago but that’s to pay my respects to himself. I’ve wondered now and again what that humble(ish) Galilean might make of his modern glories but that’s an aside rather than a topic for conversation when we’re here.

@MickMac perhaps a quiet bar and a couple of beers would give us room to wander around the puzzles. I’ve always “gone in”, not because of the architecture or the splendour or the great swinging thingy but because he’s there and I just walked all that bloody way to see him

 

[MickMac]

How can you be sure that the people on the tourbus are not devout Catholics with an abundance of spirituality and deep Faith?

Didn't mention their religion

If you never went inside, particularly if you never went in with an open Camino spirit, what is your basis for deciding it wasn't a "more spiritual experience?" To me, it's rather like traveling to attend a party or visit someone and never going inside.

If you're looking for validation for your personal choice, some people have and will validate it.

*I* wonder what you were afraid you'd find, or Who you were afraid might find you.

Buen Camino, whenever you continue it.

Not looking for validation do not need it, your analogy is incorrect.
I feel as spiritual in the mountains decending into Triacastela it was an observation not feeling the need for justification.
I felt the journey was the important part the destination was like the beginning we all start and end somewhere.

 

[Vacajoe]

It’s your life and you can do what you like. I think it’s odd to continually walk a path that is literally to a place that you don’t visit, but you do you. For me, I like to visit key places in cities I visit, religious or secular.

 

[MickMac]

It’s your life and you can do what you like. I think it’s odd to continually walk a path that is literally to a place that you don’t visit, but you do you. For me, I like to visit key places in cities I visit, religious or secular.

Strange indeed.

 

[dick bird]

Walked the Camino to Santiago over 12 times now, never once did I go into the Cathedral.

I was impressed by it's understated magnificent facade never felt a need to go in. I am not unreligious just never felt the need.

Philip Larkin was an atheist but he couldn’t resist going into churches, and the cathedral of Santiago is a stunner (not that Larkin ever went there) and possibly the finest Romanesque cathedral still standing. Go in early in the morning when it is near empty.

 

[ShoshTrvls]

Didn't mention their religion

I am an atheist and a Jewish atheist at that.

But the closest I’ve ever come to believing in a g-d was when I first saw the baldacchino in St. Peter’s. Not only did its size and beauty literally take my breath away, but I sat in awe thinking that that whatever moved Bernini to make it must be something greater than anything on earth.

And needless to say, that happened in a room overflowing with tourists (as I was) jockeying for position to take in all of the beauty of the Basilica.

Any one of those tourists in Santiago may be having a religious experience more profound than you know, even if they weren’t wearing a sign that said “I’m here for the religion.” And you might have missed one as well.

 

[dick bird]

understated magnificent facade

And ´understated´? ´Understated Baroque´ is definitely an oxymoron.

 

[JabbaPapa]

And ´understated´? ´Understated Baroque´ is definitely an oxymoron.

To be fair, the Baroque aesthetic is centred in deliberate self-contradictions and internal oppositions.

 

[Bob Howard]

Philip Larkin was an atheist but he couldn’t resist going into churches, and the cathedral of Santiago is a stunner (not that Larkin ever went there) and possibly the finest Romanesque cathedral still standing. Go in early in the morning when it is near empty.

Dick, is the cathedral in Santiago Romanesque. I thought it was Gothic.

 

[dick bird]

Dick, is the cathedral in Santiago Romanesque. I thought it was Gothic.

Definitely Romanesque. At least, that´s what Arthur Kingsley Porter reckoned, and he should know. It was begun in 1075, the earlier church having been burnt down by Al-Monsur in 997. Construction began under bishop Peláez but it was Bishop Gelmirez who was probably responsible for its size and grandeur.

 

[Bob Howard]

Thanks. Since posting my comment, I found this.

Exploring the Architectural Marvels of the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela

Exploring the Architectural Marvels of the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela CaminoWays.com

caminoways.com

 

[JabbaPapa]

Dick, is the cathedral in Santiago Romanesque. I thought it was Gothic.

The Cloister is foundationally late Gothic, but it was finished in the Renaissance style.

The Cathedral itself is Romanesque, as the excellent restoration work has made more clearly visible.

 

[MickMac]

And ´understated´? ´Understated Baroque´ is definitely an oxymoron.

I meant its position not the baroque it's in a dip .

 

[nilesite]

Walked the Camino to Santiago over 12 times now, never once did I go into the Cathedral.

I was impressed by it's understated magnificent facade never felt a need to go in. I am not unreligious just never felt the need.

Over 1000 years of Spanish history are housed in this church. It’s worth a visit.

 

[Gerard Griffin]

The caryatids above the altar are well worth a look. Nothing like them in any other Spanish cathedral I've see. I still haven't figured out what the artist is trying to say, but what the hell, they're beautiful.

 

[el-pe]

What struck me, was why walk to Santiago 12 times and never enter the cathedral? There are thousands of other walks throughout Europe and even more if we include the world. Why keep walking to the same place? I’ve only done it six times, but always enter the cathedral. Not being critical, just logical…albeit after a fair amount of vino tinto.

 

[Pafayac]

The caryatids above the altar are well worth a look. Nothing like them in any other Spanish cathedral I've see. I still haven't figured out what the artist is trying to say, but what the hell, they're beautiful.

It seems they are carrying a platform where Santiago is (on his horse):

 

[t2andreo]

IMHO, walking a Camino ending at Santiago and NOT visiting the Cathedral is like taking a long walk, without a clear purpose, like just taking a long walk around the block. Visiting the Cathedral, paying respects to the relics of Saint James therein, or simply spending quiet time in contemplation at the immense effort that went into building this massive edifice nearly one thousand years ago, makes the long walk a pilgrimage.

The original and ongoing primary purpose of walking a Camino into Santiago is precisely that - to reverence the person / relics of Saint James, the Cathedral, both, or any other spiritual purpose. To avoid that discounts your effort, turning it into a long walk, lacking a defined purpose other than mere arrival.

Instead of something that might provide spiritual benefit, the exercise becomes merely a long hike from point A to point B. To me, at least, this is sad. There is much benefit to be had even just sitting in quiet contemplation in the Cathedral when no Mass is occurring.

I respect the right of any pilgrim to walk their own pilgrimage, with whatever justification they desire - and there are many. But, it seems to me that walking to Santiago so many times, and not at least paying due homage or appreciation to the proverbial center of the entire Camino universe is like drinking dehydrated water. The primary, critical, essence of the entire thing is missing.

But this is just my opinion. Everyone is free to disagree.

Tom

 

[MariaMcCabe]

I wonder why you felt the need to say why you never felt the need?

Also my thought after reading that sentence. Seems a bit odd. I understand, from your other responses, that the journey is what matters most and that you feel just as connected in the mountains, etc., but the Cathedral is the end point - the culmination of the journey and the place where Saint James' relics lie. You said you were not "unreligious"...did it ever cross your mind to enter and say thank you for the 12 journeys? I'm not judging, simply asking.

I wonder why you felt the need to say why you never felt the need?

 

[MariaMcCabe]

IMHO, walking a Camino ending at Santiago and NOT visiting the Cathedral is like taking a long walk, without a clear purpose like just taking a long walk around the block. Visiting the Cathedral, paying respects to the relics of Saint James therein, or simply spending quiet time in contemplation at the immense effort that went into building this massive edifice nearly one thousand years ago, makes the long walk a pilgrimage.

The original and ongoing primary purpose of walking a Camino into Santiago is precisely that - to reverence the person / relics of Saint James, the Cathedral, both, or any other spiritual purpose. To avoid that discounts your effort, turning it into a long walk, lacking a defined purpose other than mere arrival.

Instead of something that might provide spiritual benefit, the exercise becomes merely a long hike from point A to point B. To me, at least, this is sad. There is much benefit to be had even just sitting in quiet contemplation in the Cathedral when no Mass is occurring.

I respect the right of any pilgrim to walk their own pilgrimage, with whatever justification they desire - and there are many. But, it seems to me that walking to Santiago so many times, and not at least paying due homage or appreciation to the proverbial center of the entire Camino universe is like drinking dehydrated water. The primary, critical, essence of the entire thing is missing.

But this is just my opinion. Everyone is free to disagree.

Tom

I agree completely, Tom. Why even do it at all - such an interesting discussion.

 

[Wanderingfriend]

FWIW, @MicMac, James A. Michener's book Iberia (1968) has incredible descriptions of the Cathedral, inside and out - architecturally, historically and artistically. I'm taking those 99 pages with me in a couple of weeks, for a more thorough appreciation when I arrive again...

I did the same. Michener’s book added so much depth to my visit. For me, the cathedral was important. We are all different.

 

[LTfit]

Going to the pilgrim's mass, giving a hug and thanks to Santiago and getting a Compostela are an integral part of my Caminos. Those rituals have meaning to me. Am I Catholic or even religious? Definitely not, but arriving in Santiago even after 16 or 17 (?) times still moves me and I can't imagine being there and not entering the Cathedral.

I've done Camino's where I haven't finished in Santiago but it doesn't feel the same.

 

[mike105]

Stealing from Groucho Marx, maybe you didn't want to be a member of a congregation that would have you as a member of the congregation.

 

[MickMac]

What struck me, was why walk to Santiago 12 times and never enter the cathedral? There are thousands of other walks throughout Europe and even more if we include the world. Why keep walking to the same place? I’ve only done it six times, but always enter the cathedral. Not being critical, just logical…albeit after a fair amount of vino tinto.

Sounds a wee bit critical, but horses for course's.

 

[JerryStroebele]

When I first entered the Cathedral I was stunned by the beautiful voice of the Singing Nun. On my last visit the Singing Priest was carrying on the ceremony equally well. The cleaning inside and outside has been remarkable. To miss the Pilgrims Mass is a great loss whatever your religion or spirituality or whether you have none. I am excited to attend in two weeks. My Army dog tags said Heathen. Take the Roof Top tour to appreciate our ancestors skills— and beliefs. Buen Camino

 

[Silencio Por Favor]

Interesting question that you are asking yourself. For me I would recommend anyone to experience the pilgrim's mass regardless of any beliefs or none.

Do you think that you will go next time?

 

[GaTeach]

I dipped in briefly both times I arrived in Santiago. I grew up evangelical, though, and the hordes of kids sprawling in the pews while the elderly stood really irrationally irritated me so I left. (Yeah, I know, different cultures and all that. I still didn't appreciate it)

I'd rather be hanging with pilgrims in the square and at the bars anyway.

 

[bullingtonce]

…and I wonder why I felt the need to click open this thread . The title said it all and I am questioning my own motive.

This means you are moving forward instead of being stuck in neutral. Go with the flow and see where it takes you. When a person doubts oneself, it is a reflection of delving into one's spirituality/heart. Let us know how it comes out. Chuck

 

[JustOneGuy]

To be honest I'm not really fascinated by the style of Santiago Cathedral and of many other churches I've visited in Spain. In general the baroque of Latin countries doesn't appeal to me much. I just don't understand it. As I've already explained I'm from Rome, maybe that's why. I find the Spanish Baroque all “unnecessarily exaggerated” and too triumphant and rethoric, and the quality of the works quite poor too.

Let's not talk about the altar, which I really find to be of dubious taste and questionable workmanship - stone me to death if you want for that .

And it is not a matter of nationalism, a concept that is quite alien to me. As I made clear recently in another tread I recently fell literally in love with Asturian pre-Romanesque, for example. It's just that for some reason I feel more drawn to the Renaissance and certain Gothic Fiorito, with the exception of some much more linear baroque Roman churches, with their white travertines (when not blackened by car pollution... ) and their much greater simplicity and geometry.

I mean, not so much the great basilicas like San Giovanni in Laterano but little masterpieces like San Carlo alle Quattro Fontane, by none other than Borromini.

p.s. obviously these are personal opinions about the style of the Cathedral, which have nothing to do with what it may represent to those who are believers.

 

[Old Bamboo]

I can't imagine after 12 times never feeling the need even once to simply step into the cathedral, the ultimate goal of your pilgrimage. But to each his own.

 

[KFH]

What struck me, was why walk to Santiago 12 times and never enter the cathedral? There are thousands of other walks throughout Europe and even more if we include the world. Why keep walking to the same place? I’ve only done it six times, but always enter the cathedral. Not being critical, just logical…albeit after a fair amount of vino tinto.

Exactly. Why walk to the same place year after year? And then every time.... after hours and hours and days and days and weeks and weeks... decide it's not good enough to walk into.

Add to this the need to tell everybody about it.

Next time-- and there will definitely be a next time and a next next time-- spend some time praying while you walk and when you get there, go inside and let go of whatever it is that you need to let go of.

 

[Dani7]

This means you are moving forward instead of being stuck in neutral. Go with the flow and see where it takes you. When a person doubts oneself, it is a reflection of delving into one's spirituality/heart. Let us know how it comes out. Chuck

I wish it was that profound but alas, after reflection it was just me being curious about what motivated the OP’s initial post. I still don’t get it. And that’s

 

[jflorez]

Walked the Camino to Santiago over 12 times now, never once did I go into the Cathedral.

I was impressed by it's understated magnificent facade never felt a need to go in. I am not unreligious just never felt the need.

Well, that's somewhat interesting. Thanks for sharing.

I honestly don't mean that flippantly. I mean, after walking the Camino 12 times, many more times than me, I don't see any advice, recommendation or personal experience that we may share that may sway you to go into the Cathedral next time. And, to be fair, you didn't ask for us to convince you why you should, though we're all inclined to do that because, for us, it does seem important - at least once.

In any case, I found it an interesting, if odd, post. I'm not even sure why I replied. But, here we are, so there you go.

 

[VNwalking]

So? And..??

 

[MickMac]

Exactly. Why walk to the same place year after year? And then every time.... after hours and hours and days and days and weeks and weeks... decide it's not good enough to walk into.

Add to this the need to tell everybody about it.

Next time-- and there will definitely be a next time and a next next time-- spend some time praying while you walk and when you get there, go inside and let go of whatever it is that you need to let go of.

Lot of assumptions there K, I pray more than most so that's one assumption wrong, it's probably the organised church I find difficult but not hostile too.
I have nothing to "let" go off, the walk is among the happiest moment's in my life.
Maybe it's the feeling of anti climax I feel in the hustle and bustle of Santiago, maybe not a conformist but a Rebel to the end.

 

[KariannNor]

Strange thread.. so many judgmental attitudes, why? isn't it ok for x to tell how x feel, without an agenda, a question, an opinion poll? Who are you to decide what and how to express here? Maybe the point was to provoke, then you've really nailed it Mac

 

[MickMac]

Strange thread.. so many judgmental attitudes, why? isn't it ok for x to tell how x feel, without an agenda, a question, an opinion poll? Who are you to decide what and how to express here? Maybe the point was to provoke, then you've really nailed it Mac

It was important to me looking for explanation sorry if I offended yourself and poor Keyser.
Time to call an end, debate is healthy.

 

[KeyserSoza]

Just as I said!

 

[KeyserSoza]

No offence intended or taken.

 

[Gerard Griffin]

I can understand the OP's position. I find more spiritual presence in the small churches along the way (like Moratinos) than in the SDC Cathedral, whose magnificence I admire, as well as those stunning and distracting caryatids. But there's something about the vibe, the 7 priests on the altar, the severe security, the smugness of thr place, that puts me off
Not to mention long the queues of tourists outside who never darken the doors of a church otherwise but come merely to gawk. Sometimes I don't bother to go, but I'm always glad when I do. An astonishing place, and the devotion of the pilgrims is always very moving.

 

[WayWalker]

Walked the Camino to Santiago over 12 times now, never once did I go into the Cathedral.

I was impressed by it's understated magnificent facade never felt a need to go in. I am not unreligious just never felt the need.

It's your perogative. Good on you! 12 caminos!!!!

 

[Gringazolana]

FWIW, @MicMac, James A. Michener's book Iberia (1968) has incredible descriptions of the Cathedral, inside and out - architecturally, historically and artistically. I'm taking those 99 pages with me in a couple of weeks, for a more thorough appreciation when I arrive again...

I just made extensive notes from this book to use next month!!