Wendy Werneth
Pilgrim
- Time of past OR future Camino
- 2020
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I did. Not a hard boot, more like a sock that keeps the toes flexed. I didn't think it helped that much. What has worked best for me is a combination of the following: the exercises I mention in this thread; cold foot baths (I carry a collapsible basin on Camino for this purpose); and shoes with LOTS of cushioning and custom-made orthotics in them. And avoiding asphalt whenever possible.Did you ever try a night boot? That is what finally got rid of my PF after a year.
Good to know that it wasn't just me who thought that!the afternoon stretch to Piñeiro was a bit of a slog,
I like the sound of etapa reina!Looking forward to seeing the etapa reina through your eyes!
Those uninspiring first few uphill kilometres of asphalt out of Monforte are good to have behind, and you'll have relatively fresh legs for the giant slabs up out of Belestar! Will you stay in Chantada? Good eating options there..After our picnic lunch, the afternoon stretch to Piñeiro was a bit of a slog, in the heat and mostly on asphalt.
Yes to all!Those uninspiring first few uphill kilometres of asphalt out of Monforte are good to have behind, and you'll have relatively fresh legs for the giant slabs up out of Belestar! Will you stay in Chantada? Good eating options there..
Where? We had lunch at A Cociña de Fon and are currently weighing up dinner options…I had a fantastic meal in Chantada, and hope you're just as fortunate!
Where? We had lunch at A Cociña de Fon and are currently weighing up dinner options…
A few of us had a great meal in Bar/Taparia Parada my first time passing through, though I don't recall if it had much in the way of veggie/vegan options, ours was a veritable carnivorous feast and of course it in was good company and washed down with a lot of cervezas. They open early enough for breakfast too.Where? We had lunch at A Cociña de Fon and are currently weighing up dinner options…
It won't weigh you down. Even though it covers both the Invierno and Sanabres, it's a skinny edition, half the thickness of his other guides, but in the same useful format. If you're a Brierley fan, get it..and all you other veterans, has anyone used it? Weight is obviously a factor, since his books are not in a (good) electronic form, but any other comments,
I've never used a book, Brierley or otherwise on any Camino.Just curious: unless I missed a post, no one has mentioned Brierley's book. To @jungleboy, @trecile , and all you other veterans, has anyone used it? Weight is obviously a factor, since his books are not in a (good) electronic form, but any other comments, criticisms, reasons, etc?
Books are sometimes useful . . . . Learned a lot of things from them in 75 years. On the Caminos, and elsewhere.I've never used a book, Brierley or otherwise on any Camino.
It was Meson Lucas. Who knows if it is as it was before...Where? We had lunch at A Cociña de Fon and are currently weighing up dinner options…
Me either, so I didn’t consider Brierley. I also figured the collective knowledge of @peregrina2000 and the other Invierno vets, in the planning thread and forum guide, would serve us splendidly, and it has.I've never used a book, Brierley or otherwise on any Camino.
I have never seen a Brierley book — I first walked the Invierno years before it was published. This camino is the most heavily signposted of any camino I’ve walked, so you won’t need it for directions. I suppose that you could find it helpful for accommodations and route descriptions, but if you prefer not to carry one, there’s plenty of info available on the forum.Just curious: unless I missed a post, no one has mentioned Brierley's book.
See this thread. VN’s report is post-retirement and is from under the new ownership. I was there in 2019, it was very blah. But VN was there in 2021, so maybe the ship has been righted.It was Meson Lucas. Who knows if it is as it was before...
In the end we went to Daydos, a bar/restaurant a little out of the centre, but any place that has vegan burgers and will serve them at 6:30pm is a sure winner!I had a fantastic meal in Chantada, and hope you're just as fortunate!
Thanks for your comment. I know there's plenty of other good information available, much of it created by you and other people on the forum,I have never seen a Brierley book — I first walked the Invierno years before it was published. This camino is the most heavily signposted of any camino I’ve walked, so you won’t need it for directions. I suppose that you could find it helpful for accommodations and route descriptions, but if you prefer not to carry one, there’s plenty of info available on the forum.
There is this recent thread about it:I was merely curious if anyone had actually seen and read his guidebook on the Invierno. and could thus comment on it based on personal experience.
Meanwhile, if anyone was wondering where those periodic millions of euros for Invierno way-marking go, I submit this as Exhibit A:
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Ah, Peter, remember this is Galicia. The varied heights of the markers are obviously to maintain useable way marking no matter the height of the flooding or the depth of the fogWe need a 'why?' emoji ! Talk about overkill.
I purchased the Brierley book. It covers both the Sanabres and the Invierno. I always keep a shelf for all of my guidebooks as I write notes in them before I go and underline things that are of interest to me, in addition to some forum nuggets I add.Just curious: unless I missed a post, no one has mentioned Brierley's book.
They renovated their rooms a few years ago and I haven't been there since. How did you find the standard? Earlier Gronze reviews said dark, cold, miserable...€30 for a double with attached bath at Yoel, less than the cost of two dorm beds at either of the albergues in town.
Albergue Dpaso was fantastic!Yoel has always been the cheapest alternative in Chantada and I think it was ok even before they renovated - but I must say both new albergues are superb!
Our room is fine, thankfully not at all like those reviews.They renovated their rooms a few years ago and I haven't been there since. How did you find the standard? Earlier Gronze reviews said dark, cold, miserable...
Man oh man. You struck gold! Wonderful.In the end we went to Daydos, a bar/restaurant a little out of the centre, but any place that has vegan burgers and will serve them at 6:30pm is a sure winner!
Yes, indeed. The hospitalera was so nice! Everything was so tidy and spotlessly clean it could have been a spaceship!! And I never slept so good before.Albergue Dpaso was fantastic!
Our room is fine, not at all like those reviews.
Yes thanks, I recognize itAccomodation wise, things have indeed vastly improved over the past few years in Chantada. Here, my notes from 2021, it's not the place you're staying, but others might recognise it..
I go looking for the pension I've booked. It's up the hill at the top end of the town, upstairs over a grubby bar that's seen better days and there's a brothel in the basement. I think the other guys are staying here too. There is little choice of accomodation in Chantada, despite it being a busy, vibrant town of about 4,000. I get the key off the owner, a sad looking woman who hardly looks up at me. Her son is skulking in the kitchen doorway watching sport on the tv, avoiding any notion of work it would seem. The room is a bit grim, slivers of blankets and a towel almost worn through. The window is facing the central courtyard so there's little daylight. The bed is sagging and worn out too, and I consider not using it at all but the floor looks even less inviting..
From your very vivid description I’m pretty sure I stayed here in November of 2019. Totally unaware of the lower activities.I go looking for the pension I've booked. It's up the hill at the top end of the town, upstairs over a grubby bar that's seen better days and there's a brothel in the basement
Thanks for responding. I'm more than aware of all the apps now available, and have relied on them almost exclusively for many caminos now. But Brierley was certainly useful to me back in the day, so was simply wondering whether anyone had consulted him for the Invierno. Sometimes professional writers have helpful things to say . . . .I purchased the Brierley book. It covers both the Sanabres and the Invierno. I always keep a shelf for all of my guidebooks as I write notes in them before I go and underline things that are of interest to me, in addition to some forum nuggets I add.
Anyhow, I was a disappointed in the Brierley version I purposely had purchased for the Sanabres because he only covers it from Ourense, but I had started from much farther back. Thankfully Gronze does a great job with good info, and as others have said many times, guidebooks are no longer the necessity they once were since many Camino apps have mushroomed in more recent years.
Sometimes professional writers have helpful things to say . . . .
Albergue Dpaso was fantastic!
Oh! Did they say anything about other places to stay in town during this period?The albergue at Rodeiro (Carpinteiras) is modern and well-equipped, although anyone coming by soon should be aware that it’s closed from 1-15 July this year for holidays
That’s a good heads up for people walking in the near future. Rodeiro isn’t exactly bursting with alternative options!The albergue at Rodeiro (Carpinteiras) is modern and well-equipped, although anyone coming by soon should be aware that it’s closed from 1-15 July this year for holidays.
Dang. Maybe it'll be open in the morning?Speaking of being closed, that was unfortunately the case for Panadería Jesús, even though we were well within their opening hours
I am using the Brierley book for planning my invierno next Spring. I like the maps, with all their flaws, probably because I’m used to them. I have spent several evenings happily following @jungleboy’s (thanks jb) path on the Brierley maps. I’m trying to keep my daily distance manageable, and this early planning method works for me.Thanks for responding. I'm more than aware of all the apps now available, and have relied on them almost exclusively for many caminos now. But Brierley was certainly useful to me back in the day, so was simply wondering whether anyone had consulted him for the Invierno. Sometimes professional writers have helpful things to say . . . .
I wouldn't call the Mozarabe a warm up, but it is a wonderful walk! Enjoy!I was hoping that you would reply. I know that you and @peregrina2000 have tackled some serious caminos, difficulty wise and I know that you are the age of a very, very slightly older sister. It is a camino I have wanted to do for a long time. I am thinking of incorporating it next year as my final leg. Do the Mozarabe and then bus or train north to Ponferrada. Gronze puts it at almost 900K. A good distance for me. Maybe finish up with a short walk to Muxia. Love that camino. After warming up on the Mozarabe it should be fine. Thanks!
I have been taking screenshots of my guidebooks on my phone (starting with the back page). I then leave the book at home and delete the screenshots as I go along. It really doesn't take very long to do as the phone takes two pages at a time.Not sure I’ll bring the book,
I am glad you didn’t recommend ripping out the pages as you went, because I have seen @jungleboy’s horrified reaction to that suggestion before!I have been taking screenshots of my guidebooks on my phone (starting with the back page). I then leave the book at home and delete the screenshots as I go along. It really doesn't take very long to do as the phone takes two pages at a time.
I did that on my first Francès. At first it was very hard to do, but later I could rip and tear with glee. It was only a Brierley guide, which made the desecration a bit easier. But still. Normally I can't even dogear a page in a book.I bought one and engaged in book desecration
You're onto a good idea, Chris!I have been taking screenshots of my guidebooks on my phone
I treasure each and every guide book I own, so no way would I rip pages!I am glad you didn’t recommend ripping out the pages as you went, because I have seen @jungleboy’s horrified reaction to that suggestion before!Back in the day when the Valencia amigos published a hard copy guide to the Levante, I bought one and engaged in book desecration, but it was VERY heavy!
I'll probably get the guidebook, since I was always a Brierley fan, and a la @Camino Chrissy, I'll take pictures of the useful pages and not tote it along. I do confess, however, to having been a desecrator of guidebooks in my young and foolish days. Like @peregrina2000, my excuse is that they were VERY heavy. Though that's probably a slippery slope, since "very heavy" might have a different connotation for those -- like me -- who choose one T-shirt over another because it weighs 3 grams less.I am using the Brierley book for planning my invierno next Spring. I like the maps, with all their flaws, probably because I’m used to them. I have spent several evenings happily following @jungleboy’s (thanks jb) path on the Brierley maps. I’m trying to keep my daily distance manageable, and this early planning method works for me.
Not sure I’ll bring the book, since the way marking looks mostly stellar and the online resources are slick
All the best,
Paul
Looking at google maps, the Latizia is about a km beyond the spot where the camino turns off the road leaving Rodeiro. The screenshot shows the chicken processing plant (or is it rabbit?) that is located right at the spot where the camino turns off road to the right. To get to the Latizia, you just keep going along the road. Even if you have to backtrack, it’s not that big a deal, especially since it’s a pretty short day.I stayed at Hostal A Latizia in 2022. It's a truck stop hostal outside of town,
Only from 8:30am, which is too late for us. But we might go past it anyway just in case it’s open earlier.Dang. Maybe it'll be open in the morning?
Rabbits, not chickens, meet their end at the processing plant.Looking at google maps, the Latizia is about a km beyond the spot where the camino turns off the road leaving Rodeiro. The screenshot shows the chicken processing plant (or is it rabbit?) that is located right at the spot where the camino turns off road to the right. To get to the Latizia, you just keep going along the road. Even if you have to backtrack, it’s not that big a deal, especially since it’s a pretty short day.
I know some have stayed on the side of the road fro Rodeiro all the way to Lalín, and though I am no purist, I think the off-road route through several small hamlets, many open fields, and some wooded areas, must be far superior to walking on the side of a fairly busy road. But if you need to do it, it is apparently safe, with a good-sized shoulder.
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Day 10: Rodeiro to Lalín — 22km
We left the albergue in Rodeiro just after 7am and decided to swing by the famous bakery (Panadería Jesús, which bakes for the royal family, among others) just in case, even though it’s not supposed to open until 8:30am. And it was open! At least, the back rooms were open and they let us look around and buy a baguette. It was a very interesting scene as almost all the bread was loaded in crates, ready to go out for delivery.
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After that little victory, we left Rodeiro in good spirits despite an overcast day and that inescapable feeling that the best of the Invierno is now behind us. Today’s stage was very rural and fairly pleasant, although sadly we did see a lot of animal exploitation in the hamlets (cows and pigs in very confined spaces). On a more positive note, there were some nice forest-river scenes throughout the stage, and a self-stamp service (and vending machine coffee) in A Eirexe.
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We arrived in Lalín in time for lunch and are now resting at the albergue. We’re looking forward to visiting the pilgrims centre downstairs when it reopens later after siesta to get one of its famous stamps!
Not quite. There's magic yet to come.that inescapable feeling that the best of the Invierno is now behind us
Oh yes, much magic to come - Taboarda's narrow mediaeval bridge over the Deza, worn by pilgrim steps for almost a millennium, the (possibly pre-conquista) relief of Samson and the lion on the nearby church of Santiago de Taboarda (with later vacas by the artist who worked at Diomondi)Not quite. There's magic yet to come
So beautiful, to walk around it's base, with a morning fog cloaking the top from sight - except one wee window on the Santiago side, seen after passing it, looking back with wonder.Pico Sacra
Alan, I forget - have you walked up to the top? It’s so easy from the albergue in Outeiro, and only a little backtracking is required to get you back on the route in Lestedo. The legends of that place layered on an air of mystery, coupled with the views and the quiet solitude . I know @Wendy Werneth has to deal with plantar fasciitis, though, and it is almost all asphalt, so that may be a deal breaker for them.and the serene beauty of the Pico Sacra,
How are you going on the Invierno? Where are you now?I'm a day behind you. Start tomorrow (Thursday) . looking forward to hearing your experiences!
I had a very good lunch there on Tuesday - I actually found the Pilgrim Information Office because it was near the restaurant.Finally, we had a great meal at Bodegon a Cunca.
Wide toe box shoes!!Did you ever try a night boot? That is what finally got rid of my PF after a year.
Love it! It might make @Wendy Werneth jealous thoughIn Lalín now, my daughter and son think I have a crush on Jungleboy because I use your daily report during our evening debrief.
I’ll be there Monday and Tuesday so maybe we can find a time to meet up.Hopefully catchup with you in Santiago.
But our plan to stay in Reina Lupa tomorrow has been thrown out the window as a group has booked out the entire place. We had planned two leisurely stages to Santiago, so now it looks like it will be the muni in Outeiro tomorrow, even though it’s only 12km from here.
Well, if you’re looking for something to do, take a walk down the hill to this place:so it’s not a bad place to spend a lazy afternoon.
Yeah, but then you'd have needed to lug it up the hill.I almost bought a bottle of wine at the Carrefour in Ponte Ulla 4km back and carried it here — maybe I should have!
I was going to stay there on Thursday night and have a short day to Santiago, but two of my Camino friends that I met while I was on the Francés were leaving on Friday and wanted to get together with me before leaving, so I walked from Bandeira.Ah, what a pity you couldn't stay at Reina Lupa, it's a lovely albergue and Carmiña fusses over pilgrims with such love. But you have a pleasant last day ahead of you..
Just wondering how you enjoyed your stay in Dornelas. I only stopped for a cold drink, because my albergue days are now behind me, but I had such a nice chat with the owner, who told me all about how they are patching together a life in Spain. "Patching together" is probably not the right term, but they have been creative in finding ways to support themselves while running this lovely albergue, which certainly cannot be their primary income!to have continued to Casa Leiras in the countryside. As I mentioned in my planning thread, we stopped here for a morning soft drink two years ago and wanted to come back to spend the night the next time we were in the neighbourhood, and here we are!
We enjoyed it a lot, I recommend it and we’ll certainly stay there again on any future VdlP+ camino that we may or may not have pencilled in a few years from now! There are 10 beds (five bunks) and we were only five people so everyone got a bottom bunk.Just wondering how you enjoyed your stay in Dornelas.
I wouldn’t go quite that far (those standards are indeed high!) but it was a very nice communal dinner with our eclectic group that included two people without a word of Spanish and one without a word of anything but Spanish!Did you have an Italian meal that lived up to your now high standards as an expat in Italia?
Day 11: Lalín to Dornelas — 28km
A late and short update today because, oh my goodness, we are in an albergue with a Spanish guy who is lovely but has talked to us non-stop for hours on end! (And is still talking to Wendy right now while I snuck away to write this.)
The exit from Lalín this morning next to a river and some old mills was a nice and unexpected way to start the day, so that was my favourite part of the stage. At A Laxe we merged with the Sanabrés and entered familiar territory from our camino two years ago that started with the CPI. The stage was long by our recent standards but flat and easy, and the sun came out in the afternoon to brighten up the scenery.
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We’re happy to have skipped staying in Silleda (where we stayed last time) and Bandeira, which to me are uninteresting, modern towns, and to have continued to Casa Leiras in the countryside. As I mentioned in my planning thread, we stopped here for a morning soft drink two years ago and wanted to come back to spend the night the next time we were in the neighbourhood, and here we are!
But our plan to stay in Reina Lupa tomorrow has been thrown out the window as a group has booked out the entire place. We had planned two leisurely stages to Santiago, so now it looks like it will be the muni in Outeiro tomorrow, even though it’s only 12km from here.
Yeah, but then you'd have needed to lug it up the hill.
May you enjoy the lazy afternoon and have a very nice amble into Santiago tomorrow!
I like downhills so I’d best not comment any more than that!Has no one struggled on the long downhill on pavement on the steep 10% grade before arriving in Ponte Ulla besides me?
I've come late to this thread, but does this mean that Pension Pacita is closed,?FYI for those coming this way, it turns out after talking to them, they had wanted to stay near the medieval bridge at Pensión Pacita, but it was closed so they had to continue. Per Gronze, Pacita is the only accommodation on the camino between Quiroga and Pobra.
That’s what we were told six days ago, but we don’t know anything about the circumstances surrounding it. Best to contact them and ask.I've come late to this thread, but does this mean that Pension Pacita is closed,?
I hope it's just for well-deserved holiday or something. It was such a great place with such warm, caring people. I knew they were struggling financially though, so it wouldn't be a surprise. But I have had my fingers crossed for them.I've come late to this thread, but does this mean that Pension Pacita is closed,?
I'm sure deleting as you go lightens your load dear Chrissy!I have been taking screenshots of my guidebooks on my phone (starting with the back page). I then leave the book at home and delete the screenshots as I go along. It really doesn't take very long to do as the phone takes two pages at a time.
I have, Chrissy!! Twice! It's an intense descent!Has no one struggled on the long downhill on pavement on the steep 10% grade before arriving in Ponte Ulla besides me?
Wow...poor Wendy took one for the team there! Well, you multi-lingual people got what you deservedDay 11: Lalín to Dornelas — 28km
A late and short update today because, oh my goodness, we are in an albergue with a Spanish guy who is lovely but has talked to us non-stop for hours on end! (And is still talking to Wendy right now while I snuck away to write this.)
I'm glad to have had some company...just kidding!I have, Chrissy!! Twice! It's an intense descent!
And only 160 euro/night for a yurtWell, if you’re looking for something to do, take a walk down the hill to this place:
Casa Beatnik Country House
Nestled in Spain’s Rías Baixas wine region, Casa Beatnik Hotel is a new destination hotel created by Bonhomme, an award-winning design studio and hospitality group. Casa Beatnik Hotel’s maiden property, a Country House, offers guests seven acres of bespoke bohemian luxury, wellness retreats and inspcasabeatnik.com
It used to be a sedate, majestic old pazo, Pazo dos Galegos, but it was sold and the new owners have definitely changed the vibe. @wisepilgrim has stayed in one of their yurts and thought it was pretty cool.
Could be an interesting dining experience thoughAnd only 160 euro/night for a yurt
It wasn't fun for sure. I stopped at the ermita part way down to give my ankles a break.Has no one struggled on the long downhill on pavement on the steep 10% grade before arriving in Ponte Ulla besides me?
Please make sure you highlight how challenging and remote it is.we will hopefully record a podcast or two about the Invierno
Challenging in terms of the actual walking or the logistics or a combination or something else?Please make sure you highlight how challenging and remote it is.
I was making a bad joke, as if to say, "Shhhhhhh, let's keep this our little secret."Challenging in terms of the actual walking or the logistics or a combination or something else?
Whoops, I missed that the first time!I was making a bad joke, as if to say, "Shhhhhhh, let's keep this our little secret."
(That said, the Invierno is undeniably harder than the Francés on both those counts.)
Everything!Challenging in terms of the actual walking or the logistics or a combination or something else?
Congratulations!Day 13: Outeiro to Santiago de Compostela — 16km
After yesterday’s rain, the camino god(s) smiled on us today and gave us a beautiful blue-sky day for a magical entry into Santiago.
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We left early this morning and walked quickly, making only one stop for juice and pan con tomate at Reina Lupa / Bar Rosende. I really like the Invierno/Sanabrés entry to Santiago, as the city is hidden and you don’t reach the urban area until just 2.2km from the cathedral. I also like the Ermita de Santa Lucía and surroundings as a very peaceful place despite its proximity to the city.
At the cathedral, we saw some of our recent companions and met the whole family of our new pilgrim friend from Cáceres, Miguel Ángel. Then the group of 50 teenagers that we’ve seen a few times since Lalín, also from Cáceres, arrived and set off a party in the plaza. Our celebrations, on the other hand, were a little more low-key:
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After getting our compostelas (amazingly quick these days), we managed to sneak in a nice lunch with @trecile to swap Invierno stories before she leaves later today.
And that’s it! Our camino is suddenly over and we both have other things to move on to quickly, as Wendy’s Galego course in Santiago starts on Wednesday, and the same day I fly back to Rome, then to Paris next week to work at the Olympics. But before all that, tomorrow we will hopefully record a podcast or two about the Invierno and I will also try to wrap up this thread with a summary in the next couple of days.
But now for some rest!
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