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I think that may encourage me to walk out of high season even more.A Pontevedra news website has an article about a proposal to allow reservations to be made for Xunta albergues. The idea was raised at a meeting of hospitaleros last year and is being supported by the Amigos del Camino Portugués. The proposal is to permit reservations to be made in the peak months of July and August.
Pontevedra abandera la petición de permitir las reservas en los albergues
El presidente de Amigos del Camino Portugués advierte de que "cada vez se peregrina más de madrugada para garantizarse una plaza"www.diariodepontevedra.es
Covid insecurity times, wasn't it?Once upon a time they did, but for a very brief time before the Xunta funded reservation crashed and never restarted.
Prepare for more no-show reservations.
Does rather depend where you are. Not sure if it’s a Xunta or a Municipal, but you can’t book Bruma for example, and in the high season the queue often exceeds capacity an hour or two before it opens. Equally, O Cadavo Xunta on the Primitivo was completely full by 17.00 when I was there.The Xunta albergues are kind of an insider tip - because they don't allow reservations, plenty of beds left even in high season ...
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And that will discourage me from walking!!!I think that may encourage me to walk out of high season even more.
It would possibly reduce no shows, some people wouldn't baulk at booking two beds, just in case, but it would put a lot of pressure on those of us who don't know where we're going to end up to have to start booking, it would totally change that çamino feeling.Does rather depend where you are. Not sure if it’s a Xunta or a Municipal, but you can’t book Bruma for example, and in the high season the queue often exceeds capacity an hour or two before it opens. Equally, O Cadavo Xunta on the Primitivo was completely full by 17.00 when I was there.
Should they decide to allow reservations, it shouldn’t be much of an issue for an organisation as large as the Xunta to also require prepayment, and set up the relevant infrastructure. It would considerably reduce no -shows.
They claim that that feeling has already been changed, as pilgrims feel forced to start walking very early in the morning to reach the Xunta albergues, wait in line for it to open, and often still face the fact of not being able to secure a bed(...) it would totally change that çamino feeling.
Thank you for your post!!One more reason for me to carry my camping equipment.
I'd rather walk a 50km day to get to a campsite without having to book than booking a xunta albergue in advance.
I mean, honestly.
I have nothing against people making reservations.
But there's already countless private albergues, apartments, hostales and hotels that allow reservations for those who want that.
Leave at least a few albergues for those who prefer not to make reservations.
Please?
As "good old shoes" noted there are plenty of other places where you can sleep that accept reservations.They claim that that feeling has already been changed, as pilgrims feel forced to start walking very early in the morning to reach the Xunta albergues, wait in line for it to open, and often still face the fact of not being able to secure a bed
Not everyone can afford private albergues, some are dependent on those cheaper albergues to walk the camino.As "good old shoes" noted there are plenty of other places where you can sleep that accept reservations.
It would possibly reduce no shows, some people wouldn't baulk at booking two beds, just in case, but it would put a lot of pressure on those of us who don't know where we're going to end up to have to start booking, it would totally change that çamino feeling.
I have yet to meet a pilgrim from Europe that wasn’t more tec savvy than meFor example pilgrims from Europe that have very limited funds, that don't have phones and are not "tech savvy".
You might want to make this request to the people proposing this change. I'm not sure if there are sufficient details in the newspaper article - if not, it might be an option to comment on the article itself. But it does seem to come from an association that should be reasonably easy to find.I agree with @trecile and @Camino Chrissy: if they must take reservations, please, please, please leave some for free walkers and people who cannot pay higher pension prices.
With respect to pre paying not everyone can pay or wants to pay in advance, especially if it's an unknown site! If payment goes through "booking.com" most are probably O.K. with that but there is a cost and it will be passed on to the user.As a former hostel manager I can assure you that having to pay in advance most definitely reduces the number of no shows! Yes, there’s always the odd one that will book and still not show - but at least they have paid for the privilege.
I see both sides.
I value the Municipal/Xunta system, but nothing is foolproof. The fact that the quickest walkers / earliest risers secure a bed, leaving those that are struggling to walk on doesn’t sit particularly well with me. Especially if they are also those that are not as financially secure. The ability to book would improve the situation for many of those. And it’s easy to say that they can’t - lack of a smartphone for instance - but we can always ask for assistance, whether from a fellow pilgrim or the current Hospitalero.
And just because we have the ability to book doesn’t mean we have to.
By and large, after the first day or two I walk without booking; it is by far my preferred option. But I don’t think that the ability for others to book or not will affect that - as you say, I have no idea where I am going to want to end my day. Which also means that there may or may not be a Municipal/Xunta , let alone a bed.
Without trying to be negative I don't understand why you have so readily dismissed my comments. I have run into plenty of pilgrims that experience difficulties communicating with a smart phone particularly when the language is foreign. I am one of them.I have yet to meet a pilgrim from Europe that wasn’t more tec savvy than me. Let alone one that didn’t have a cell phone.
I did meet a wonderful older man from South America who’d saved for 20 years to walk, but he was very resourceful. Grateful for the Xunta/Municipal/ Donativo networks, but certainly not dependent on them.
Respctfully, this (relatively) slow walker has had another experience.With respect to pilgrims that are the quickest walkers and earliest risers that's not really an issue
1) If you don't want to pay in advance you have an easy alternative: don't book. Or simply walk in a timeframe that is not affected by the proposals.1/ With respect to pre paying not everyone can pay or wants to pay in advance, especially if it's an unknown site! If payment goes through "booking.com" most are probably O.K. with that but there is a cost and it will be passed on to the user.
2/ I can also see both sides and I notice that most auberges accept reservations so getting a bed is not a problem. Those that want to reserve can do so.
In an ideal world yes, however it is not I that am suggesting that they Institute a reservation system, it's the Hospitaleros themselves according to the article.As those are unlikely to the be ones that are private shouldn't the Municipal auberges remain the ones that one can't reserve?
With respect to pilgrims that are the quickest walkers and earliest risers that's not really an issue. Pilgrims start at different locations along the trail and and they end at different locations. A late riser and/or a slow hiker can arrive at an auberge earlier than an early riser and/or a fast walker depending on how may kms. they walk.
I wasn't being dismissive of your comments. The only part I commented on was the "pilgrims from Europe that have very limited funds, that don't have phones and are not tech savvy" and even then I added a laughing emoji after my comment.Without trying to be negative I don't understand why you have so readily dismissed my comments..
So am I! I was given my first smartphone at work 14? years ago, an iPhone 7. I'm writing this on it now. There are probably still functions that I don't know how to use. As to languages: I speak some German but I've only learnt that in the last couple of years. When it comes to French or Spanish I literally just know a few words and phrases.I have run into plenty of pilgrims that experience difficulties communicating with a smart phone particularly when the language is foreign. I am one of them.
If you can't pay in advance you won't be able to pay on the day either
NoAre you assuming that if the Xunta albergues institute a booking system that they will no longer take cash?
Yes, I covered that too.I think that the reason why people wouldn't be able to pay in advance would be because they don't have a credit or debit card or other type of electronic payment to do so.
I was shocked that the municipal albergue in Azofra was allowing bookings. People couldn’t just turn up any more. That was in the Covid days (2021?)A Pontevedra news website has an article about a proposal to allow reservations to be made for Xunta albergues. The idea was raised at a meeting of hospitaleros last year and is being supported by the Amigos del Camino Portugués. The proposal is to permit reservations to be made in the peak months of July and August.
Pontevedra abandera la petición de permitir las reservas en los albergues
El presidente de Amigos del Camino Portugués advierte de que "cada vez se peregrina más de madrugada para garantizarse una plaza"www.diariodepontevedra.es
The article mentions that reservations were allowed (required?) during Covid but that was dropped afterwards.I was shocked that the municipal albergue in Azofra was allowing bookings. People couldn’t just turn up any more. That was in the Covid days (2021?)
Oh good! ThanksThe article mentions that reservations were allowed (required?) during Covid but that was dropped afterwards.
And just because we have the ability to book doesn’t mean we have to.
The Azofra municipal now accepts reservations, but doesn't require them.I was shocked that the municipal albergue in Azofra was allowing bookings. People couldn’t just turn up any more. That was in the Covid days (2021?)
I think the real reason some are upset here is that the age bracket of the upset posters is 70+ and it's not that they are incompetent from using a card or a cell or buying things off their phone (because I guarantee every one of those posters is very proficient with Amazon!) but that the updated version of how things operate is different from both the way they started and also their individual nostalgic memories of the mystique that drew them to walk in the first place. The same posters can be found getting ticked about tour groups and singers and mountain bikers and lack of communal dinners. But the reality is that the Camino has changed, especially post-Covid. Booking.com and Hotels.com are a thing. Hosts use them to guarantee their rooms will be full and their revenue will be made. Travelers use it to make sure they have a place to be at night. Perhaps the municipals would like to have guaranteed revenue as well. They see the private facilities full and doing well and would like that too. If it's ok to use Wise Pilgrim for a route map because its a more modern and efficient way to walk, then it also has to be ok to use a prebook for a room. Even Ivar has an app now. We either embrace changing ways of doing things or not, but the world is going to evolve whether an individual chooses to participate or not.
That is something of an assumption.I think the real reason some are upset here is that the age bracket of the upset posters is 70+
I believe that the Xunta albergues use municipal employees to greet pilgrims and take their payments.It will also require a lot of investment in software that works and training hospitaleros to use it.
I have heard from a usually reliable source that the Xunta has contracted out a lot of the work of the albergues to a catering company based in Madrid, which makes it strange that they are having meetings of hospitaleros. I´d be very interested to know the situation. Maybe it is just the cleaning and maintenance that is contracted out.I believe that the Xunta albergues use municipal employees to greet pilgrims and take their payments.
Quite a generalisation saying that all pilgrims from Europe have 'limited funds'.I understand, but I'm sure pilgrims can make do with what is available and make the best of it.
Implementing a reservation system costs money and it will even cost more if prepayment is required. The cost of accommodation will then go up and a cheaper option will no longer be available.
There are also many pilgrims that are dependent on auberges that one can't reserve and they may also be dependent on ones that are cheaper. For example pilgrims from Europe that have very limited funds, that don't have phones and are not "tech savvy".
I, too, got curious about this, i.e. that a Camino association manages a Xunta albergue and so I had a quick look. The Galician government put out a new contract for tender this summer; it includes servicio al atención al peregrino, limpieza y gestión de cobro del precio en los albergues publicos y centres de information. They have done so for many years. They will pay some €11,000,000 to the company who will win the contract for providing these services (if I understand correctly).[...] the Xunta has contracted out a lot of the work of the albergues to a catering company based in Madrid, which makes it strange that they are having meetings of hospitaleros. I´d be very interested to know the situation. Maybe it is just the cleaning and maintenance that is contracted out.
There are also many pilgrims that are dependent on auberges that one can't reserve and they may also be dependent on ones that are cheaper. For example pilgrims from Europe that have very limited funds, that don't have phones and are not "tech savvy"
That is not what the poster wrote. The poster referred to: pilgrims from Europe who have very limited funds; pilgrims who don't have phones; pilgrims who are not "tech savvy". At least that is how I read it.Quite a generalisation saying that all pilgrims from Europe have 'limited funds'..
True, there is never obligation.Nobody would be obliged to book. Everybody could stay in a public albergue or a private albergue or a hotel without having booked, just as they can do now.
As I said, I sympathise with the concerns about a booking system changing attitudes perhaps. But logic (maybe faulty?) tells me: when there are not enough beds in a popular location to cover demand at a specific time, then some people won't get a bed in that location at that time. Who should it be: those who book or those who are fit enough to arrive early enough to pass in a first past the post system?practically once the majority books, everyone needs to - whether they actually want to or not, at least on well-travelled routes
Or the third option, which happens when booking is not possible: those who do not book but arrive either early or late.Who should it be: those who book or those who are fit enough to arrive early enough to pass in a first past the post system?
Building additional Albergues, or even just expanding the existing ones is of course doable but a/very expensive, b/ takes significant time and C/ realistically, is not just a commercial decision, but for the Xunta, a political decision. How are their voters going to feel about such vast expenditures of money?If they are worried that there are not enough places, why don't they build more albergues? Or expand the existing ones? A booking system wouldn't solve the numbers problem.
Which, I guess, is presumably the case for the overwhelming majority of public Camino albergues in all of Spain throughout the year.Or the third option, which happens when booking is not possible: those who do not book but arrive either early or late.
OMG."Hatching: Martin Sheen opened the American melon".
Yes, no doubt a correct presumption.Which, I guess, is presumably the case for the overwhelming majority of public Camino albergues in all of Spain throughout the year.
Many thanks for this and I think I spotted the mistake. No mention here of reservations. Going off at a once popular tangent (i.e. resurrecting a favourite forum topic), given that the management of the Xunta albergues is contracted out to a commercial enterprise, we can make a good guess what happened to all the kitchen utensils.Also:
https://www.xunta.gal/es/notas-de-p...ra-casi-12-los-proximos-dos-anos-para-gestion
This is a press release with a good summary (and possibly a small mistake).
I just don't understand the no-shows. What are you doing on camino if you neglect basic courtesies?Once upon a time they did, but for a very brief time before the Xunta funded reservation crashed and never restarted.
Prepare for more no-show reservations.
I think that you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect people on caminos to be very different from the general run of humanity elsewhere. Mostly good in my experience but with a few you would prefer not to meet there or at home.I just don't understand the no-shows. What are you doing on camino if you neglect basic courtesies?
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