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Challenges uploading photos

David Tallan

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So, I was trying to upload photos with a post today and it was really challenging. There were six photos, and on the first pass, only one uploaded properly. For the other five, I did see the progress bar get to 100%, but then the photos didn't convert from jpg to the forums new format, there was no image to see, and I couldn't insert them and could only delete them. I had to try four or five times with them to get them to voth upload and convert. I was on a 5G connection with 3/5 bars. Is this a known issue?

Here is a screen cap showing one that uploaded properly and one that wrapped out after a 100% upload.
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I am totally a non-techie, but I always convert any picture I want to use on the forum to a screenshot first. It's a bit of a nuisance, but they seem to load much faster.
I'm sure Rick and maybe others will eventually weigh in with good advice.
 
Its not just here..its across many portals that the uploading times and success rate are dismal.
 
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I often resize my photos before I upload them.
As in you make them smaller?
I've discussed an easy way to make your photos smaller but still good for a computer screen display here:

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...the-camino-sanabres.86404/page-2#post-1255998

Edit: The first two paragraphs say what to do. The third, long paragraph gives an example of file size savings. It is not that important so don't bother spending too much time on understanding it.
 
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Hmm.. did you upload these photos at once or attaching one by one? They are converted on the phone before they are uploaded (at least I think so). Maybe the phone got stressed out?
 
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Hmm.. did you upload these photos at once or attaching one by one? They are converted on the phone before they are uploaded (at least I think so). Maybe the phone got stressed out?
I don't understand how they can be converted on the phone before they are uploaded.
 
It is about time for my brain cells to punch out for the day (I refuse to give them overtime pay) but I have found that Xenforo, the forum's software, does do at least some client side file conversion.

I have had problems similar to David's for years so I don't believe it was caused by the webp conversion. On the other hand, someone posted the following on the Xenforo website that seems to indicate that submitting photos via the Attach files button is the safer bet:
Client side resizing / conversion is severely less efficient if this issue isn't fixed as many users don't upload images via Attach files button but via Drag & Drop onto the editor or by using the Insert image toolbar icon​
https://xenforo.com/community/threa...nserted-via-toolbar-icon.220619/#post-1701013
 
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I had a problem today. I could only attach one photo at a time, whereas I could attach several at once before. But the problem seemed to be at my end, as I could not highlight all the photos at once (by clicking Ctrl + a). But I had told my PC I wanted to attach photos, so perhaps it was communicating with the camino forum computer. I resize my photos to 1024 pixels or fewer so they go more quickly.
 
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I don't understand how they can be converted on the phone before they are uploaded.
I don't understand that comment either. But I can convert my photos on the iPhone to a smaller size before I upload them to the forum.

I just checked: pick the photo you want to upload from the photo library; click on the Actual size button; four options to choose from, in this case: Small (61 KB), Medium (192 KB), Large (609 KB), and Actual Size (4,1 MB). I would pick Large. I am sure that every smartphone allows such a choice.

PS: See post #7 with instructions for the reduction of file size of photos on a Samsung phone.
 
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@David Tallan seems to have had no problem sending nearly ten photos at the end of some of his posts from Salamanca. He is probably in a very remote area on the Torres now. Maybe this has something to do with the photos not uploading. Mine have bogged down a few times on Caminos and I always assumed I was in an area with weak wifi farther from a city or cell tower.
 
@David Tallan, you are uploading huge photo files - some of your recent uploads are 3.9 MB, 3.6 MB, 4.3 MB. I reduce my photos and screenshots to a file size of less than 800 KB before I upload them to the forum.
I imagine my computor will fry when my next portrait cameras 407mp final file size to process is under task.
 
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I've discussed an easy way to make your photos smaller but still good for a computer screen display here:

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...the-camino-sanabres.86404/page-2#post-1255998

Edit: The first two paragraphs say what to do. The third, long paragraph gives an example of file size savings. It is not that important so don't bother spending too much time on understanding it.
I do use Snapseed to edit my photos and have now found how to lessen the size thanks to your instructions. Thank you. If I keep 800 setting on in Snapseed, will this mean that in my iPhone library the image size will be reduced? In my library I want them to be saved as I took them. I only need 800 for attaching photos to my journal by email. I am obviously not tech savvie….
 
I do use Snapseed to edit my photos and have now found how to lessen the size thanks to your instructions. Thank you. If I keep 800 setting on in Snapseed, will this mean that in my iPhone library the image size will be reduced? In my library I want them to be saved as I took them. I only need 800 for attaching photos to my journal by email. I am obviously not tech savvie….
I'm using an Android phone so there may be some slight differences between it and iPhones that I don't know about. The biggest difference is most likely the directory Snapseed uses to store its copies of images. On Android it is in the subdirectory Pictures/Snapseed at the top of the user's directory tree.

I just ran tests and I found that Snapseed does not modify the original file at all. Here is what happens:

I edited an image I have stored on my device in such a way that I could easily tell the original and edited versions visually. After doing the edit I clicked on the EXPORT action at the screen's bottom. That gave me a menu with four actions, in order: Share, Save, Export, and Export as.

Share: allows you to transmit the edited image in various ways such as email, WhatsApp and other apps and operating system options. If you use this a copy of the edited image gets saved to the Pictures/Snapseed directory with a name like 1000016457 and that copy is shared.

Save: a copy of the edited image gets saved to the Pictures/Snapseed directory with a name like 1000016457.

Export: a possibly modified copy the edited image gets saved to the Pictures/Snapseed directory with a name like 1000016457. The modification depends on what you have set for maximum pixel height or width, picture format (png or jpeg) and compression ratio.

Export as: The same as Save except you are offered a way to specify a directory other than Pictures/Snapseed.

Now for a few asides not dealing with Snapseed. The png format saves image data as is but this causes large file sizes (bytes of storage). Jpg/jpeg has a way to make file sizes smaller without losing too much image quality. The more file size compression you do the less visual quality you get. On my phone screenshots are always created using the png format. In the past so not to have large files sitting on Ivar's servers to to lessen data transmission when members view the images I've often used Snapseed to modify screenshot png files to jpgs at 95% and to reduce image size so the maximum length of the image is 800 pixels. However a recent forum software change causes both png and jpg files to be converted to a different image format, webp, that reduces the image size of both png and jpeg. However, that's the forum. I suggest that you keep changing pngs to jpgs at 800 pixels maximum for standard use such as emailing pictures of your fancy restaurant meal to your kids; the size and compression savings will not be noticed visually.

Another point, my tests found a glitch in saving a png as a jpg. If the maximum pixel length of a png image is less than the maximum I have set Snapseed figures it doesn't have to save the image in smaller pixel format and so it doesn't convert the image from png to jpg to save the image in a smaller file size byte-wise either so the copy retains its png format. In my opinion this is a bug.

Lastly, the problem with technology these days is the lack of documentation. Companies save money by not having tech writers figuring that someone else on the web will do it for them (like I just did). That does happen but it isn't complete and you have to search for it. The only good software documentation I've found online in years is for the Viber app.
 
a recent forum software change causes both png and jpg files to be converted to a different image format, webp, that reduces the image size of both png and jpeg. However, that's the forum. I suggest that you keep changing pngs to jpgs at 800 pixels maximum for standard use such as emailing pictures of your fancy restaurant meal to your kids; the size and compression savings will not be noticed visually.
I intended to make some quick supplementary comments on this topic, but on doing some necessary research I got mired in an evolving swamp of information on image formats, including the evolution of jpeg standards, Apple's HEIC, and of course the webp with the massive clout of google.

So now I don't have a sufficient understanding of what might be best practice, and considering it is better for me to be out walking than fully understanding image processing, in particular conversion between formats, which in the big picture is only of marginal importance I won't be making an uptodate comment. I don't yet understand the jpg / HEIC (the default iPhone format) to webp efficiency/quality issues.

But what used to be a good idea:
-- was to share jpgs 800 pixels with a compression ratio of around 70%. With 80% being an upper limit - bigger than that is only for discerning audiences. That gave sufficient quality with a small file size.

My version of Snapseed however doesn't provide 70% as an option, so use the smallest you can.

It might still be a good idea in "remote ? " Portugal where I think David had a problem, but elsewhere higher compression (smaller %) would give marginal benefits with today's 4G and 5G phones, and now near infinite upload speeds being very common on fibre internet.
 
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Some cameras convert large files to HEIF.

Dont know a correlation to the apple version but believe similar intent.
Maybe use a proxy photo storage? I use smugmug to upload my appearantly large jpegs and raw photos with zero loss and provide a link,
Obviously not a realistic measure when all you want to do is upload a nice photo once in a while.
 

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