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Download the "ENAIRE Drones" app which shows airspace regulations for all locations in Spain.
There was one this year as well. AnnoyingJust don't fly it near other Pilgrims
Last year at the Cruz de Ferro a drone was buzzing around the cross!
Kind of killed the mood a bit......
That's for sure. The intention is fly only when there's no one else near.Just don't fly it near other Pilgrims
Last year at the Cruz de Ferro a drone was buzzing around the cross!
Kind of killed the mood a bit......
When is a drone not a drone?
@MikeJS Is that a two legged drone ?
Yes, many has flown drones to capture and document their pilgrimage and the beauty of Spain and the Camino. Go ahead please and I will be a follower. Following are few of the many drone footage of the Camino de Santiago:
I believe most if not all the new drone models have the follow me capability you want. I know mine which is 5-6 years old has it.
1990 was a good year for that....
Are the laws ever actually enforced with regard to photos or videos taken in public places? I very strongly resent having my photo taken without my permission and am only slightly less grumpy when someone does ask first. I know that a drone flying near me would raise my hackles a lot but I doubt I would lodge an official complaint anywhere.
Suggestion? Please don't!
If you use a DJI drone, just switch it on and do a firmware-update to the given GPS-Data the drone found.
ROFL
I've touched on it in one of the previous posts - while I do "respect peoples privacy" there is IIRC something that governs (if you will) everyone's presence in public places. I absolutely agree that I should NOT stick my camera in your face and take your portrait without your explicit permission but I am NOT running after every person that is "in the background\foreground" of Plaza Obradoiro while I am taking shots of the cathedral (or my fellow Pilgrims there or any other places on the path).
Today: “When is the best time to walk a Camino that is less crowded?”.
Tomorrow: “When is the best time to walk a Camino to avoid flocks of drones?”
In the year 2525 If man is still alive.....
Spanish privacy law allows for photos of public events and places etc. it’s a grey area, but if someone appears to be the main subject of an image, or is recognizable as an individual in an image, you could be contravening the law. You (ie one) needs to be sensitive and careful.
You could ask someone not to do it and have the law on your side. If they publish, get a lawyer.
As I said before - I can't imagine making a formal complaint in such a situation. But I do not accept the idea that my being in a public place makes me fair game for anyone with a camera or a drone. I would have to wonder about the peculiar aesthetic tastes of someone who would choose me as a subject anyway....
Check out @Walk_with_Efren on YouTube he inspired me to walk the Camino in 2018 with amazing drone shots
Hi Paulo,
You are aware that in the UK, in a public place, you are "fair game" for anyone with a camera? The photographer would also be able to record your image when you are on private land as long as (s)he is on public land. Perhaps you are no longer living in this country?
I do understand that the law may permit it. I do not have to approve of that situation.
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But can yours carry a rucksack? That was the second half of what was being sought.
I agree! I must be getting old!!!
I agree totally but the issue of privacy is (or should be) eliminated by virtue of the height of the camera. That is to say as long as the user is "professional" she/he will be taking advantage of the ability of the drone to "rise and take the BIG pano/video/picture" where all you will see is tops of heads as small dots.
There's an interesting article in today's Guardian online about the way wedding photography had changed. Instead of a photographer capturing the main events and Gran with her Instamatic you now have "content creators" and videographer and everything has to be stage managed - including, in one case, where the videographer wasn't ready for "the kiss" and shouted out "Not yet!"
This may be true in the UK and is largely so in the US and Canada (except Québec, where the Civil Code is explicit about one's exclusive rights to one's image, and expensive for those who do not respect this), but it is NOT so for Spain and most European countries. The subject's permission is required-- you will note in Spanish news coverage, faces of passersby are blurred for legal reasons. In the Basque country, there is a general objection to photography of individuals without permission, for historical reasons.
I remember on my first trip to Spain in 1965 the travel courier saying: "If you want to keep your camera and do not want a night in a police cell then do not photograph members of the Guardia Civil!"
I assure you that there are many threads I ignore. Leaving them alone will always bring me great pleasure.
Well said . . .
A gps track will do that just fine.
Same. Or a good map/map app.
IMHO (and use) ALL of these things (including a drone) can be useful in documenting a trail path such as a Camino.
Very nice indeed. My screen clipped off the bottom of the map so I couldn't see the legend "See Notes Below" and clicked futilely until I had the sense to scroll down!
Really very nice! Thank you.
But with no drone there is no annoying operator.
And no fear of the drone crashing or hitting someone or something!So Paulo, are you including Street View in your own project?
So to take this to the logical conclusion, no Camino then no pilgrims. Somewhere along the line RESPONSIBILITY is needed or we are always throwing the baby out with the bathwaterBut with no drone there is no annoying operator.
Yes, that is my Web-App solution using stacked iframes to avoiding the nasty "menu system" that worked fine on desktop PCs but became very messy (any easy to get lost) on mobile devices.
Sorry but this analogy makes no sense whatsoever to me. There is no logical conclusion or even connection between someone flying a drone and no camino then no pilgrims. The CAMINO WILL ALWAYS be there, in spite of intrusive drones flying overhead and possibly causing accidents. Pilgrims have walked for over 1000 years. The have received this privilege because the Camino grants us this. So it is completely illogical and pretty audacious to ever say no Camino, let alone no pilgrims.
Er, actually it would be more logical (in terms of cause and effect) to say ‘no pilgrims, no Camino’.
I think where Camo is going with this is:
Despite that, your response seems to be "Let's have no drones, that will enable us to ensure that there are no annoying drone operators."
nothing you wrote I disagree with it is the whole idea of technology and its intrusions as well as pilgrims who are annoying and disrespectful that I was alluding to. You can get rid of pilgrims but the camino in some manner will always be there. History does prove this. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
You could probably get one from Amazon, if their search function wasn’t so broken.
Thanks for posting that. Many have flown drones on the Camino, but I doubt many have bothered to check for legality.
If you had included more of your explanation in the starting post (including this request), perhaps most of us would not have felt the need to post it ourselves.
Personally, if I were looking for a vicarious camino video, I would like one from two or three meters high. It would still get only the backs of heads, except for folks walking the other way. (If I were to publish such a video, I would blur faces and other identifiers.)
Agree. I found the drones really annoying as well.Just don't fly it near other Pilgrims
Last year at the Cruz de Ferro a drone was buzzing around the cross!
Kind of killed the mood a bit......
Agree
Can you please let me know the source for this?
Not sure I’m with you on this one. I think there is always privacy of others to consider. One thing is the law but another is respect for others. IMHO we must address both.
Yes, my pilot testing material for my pilot (not just operator) licence in 3 countries including Spain, which includes examples of where and how to fly your drone and clearly indicates what I described.
Because (from experience) they usually are and couldn't care less. Or worse, get defensive and angry that you don't like their toys buzzing you.
Actually, it depends on the camera. I would like the view to appear as if my eyes were seeing it from there, which could mean a magnified/zoomed view from much higher.
The only words more dangerous than "in my particular case" are "no exceptions". Human beings are not all the same and as a result, human circumstances and contexts are not all the same. The world is a much better place when we can apply good judgement and adapt to individual circumstances.
Yes I have a suggestion. My suggestion to you is to try to figure out a better way to meet your goals that doesn't offend a large number of people.
I think my point still stands. There are plenty of things that are good in moderation but not to excess. Good if some people do them but not good if everybody does them. My examples fit this mould. Just because something is bad in excess (when everybody does it) does not make it bad when only a few people do it, and therefore something that should be avoided.
I'm not seeing how using a drone on a rarely walked route, away from all pilgrims (which is what is being proposed) offends a large number of people. Which people are being offended? Why?
Birds, for starters. For some reason we humans don't think they count.
Who knows how large this group is? And why not consider them?
Admittedly, my observations are an unsupported opinion.
This is a drone DIY Trekker Street View Panorama on Day 3 of the Camino trail Paulo is proposing
If you wait long enough, the pile will reach the top.
Go back several years on U tube and yu might find a personal video of the Camino norte filmed by a guy from Lithuania with a drone.
Great advise. Thank yu
You do not speak for me & the phrase ‘it’s your Camino’ to dismiss the consideration of the sensibilities of others who are walking as pilgrims seems churlish. When I walked after a bereavement there were moments of just sitting & weeping, or even time for reflection & silent prayers. In such circumstances people passing by are respectful & while they be solicitous in their empathy, they are not an intrusive. But I consider technology used to record in such an environment as a pilgrimage route is intrusive & disrespectful, and it is surely not acceptable to adopt an attitude of ‘I have paid my airfare to get here & intend to get my money’s worth of memories’ as your comments seem to imply.
So no one should be able to bring a camera on Camino? It is technology to record in the environment of a pilgrimage.
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