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How is the water quality at the Frence route? Can you drink from the sink or do you have to buy bottles?
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"Drinking water" is exactly the right phrase.Ha ha, google translate messed my heading up.. should be something like "Water to drink"
Yes, I find the tap water here in Spain tastes strongly of chemicals.As been said, it usually is no problem to drink the water from faucet or fountain. They do however use chlorine to make it safe (not everywhere). Some have more, some have less problems with the taste. I bought water in the stores. Also no problem.
Well done. Stayed in a hostel recently which really focused on the environmental ‘cost’ of bottled water, driving people to refill. It was quite an eye opener!I usually buy one plastic water bottle at the beginning of my Camino and then refill it from the tap and use it till it begins to leak or becomes otherwise non-functionable. Yes, we always drink tap water.
Yes you can. Drink up..Can you drink from the sink? Probably best not to, unless you're a horse or something.
But you can drink from the tap anywhere in Spain and from most fonts too unless a sign says otherwise.
Yes, I have seen this several times. One time we were staying at an albergue and had noticed several times cars pulling up to a fuente across the street to fill jugs of water. The next morning we stopped there to fill our water bottles, and saw the sign. It was only in Spanish, and I don’t recall the exact wording. We drank the water and had no problems.Sometimes the town doesn't want to pay for water quality testing but they know it is good and the locals use it. Apparently, in this case, they are allowed to sign it as Water quality not guaranteed.
Just to note - this only applies to the public outdoor fountains, the water from bathroom and kitchen sinks is always safe to drink.Sometimes the town doesn't want to pay for water quality testing but they know it is good and the locals use it. Apparently, in this case, they are allowed to sign it as Water quality not guaranteed.
It's so easy to lead one astray, isn't it? You're correct. I'm editing my post to indicate fuentes.Just to note - this only applies to the public outdoor fountains, the water from bathroom and kitchen sinks is always safe to drink.
But i always fill my water bladder from the sink ?!?!Can you drink from the sink? Probably best not to, unless you're a horse or something.
But you can drink from the tap anywhere in Spain and from most fonts too unless a sign says otherwise.
I suppose you mean from the tap above the sink? I would not like to drink from the sink itself...But i always fill my water bladder from the sink ?!?!
From the sink and from many fountains, but avoid any that say "agua no potable", etc. You can also bring a water bladder that fits in your backpack (my preference), or a reusable bottle that you can refill at the albergue rather than adding to the plastic waste that none of us need.How is the water quality at the Frence route? Can you drink from the sink or do you have to buy bottles?
Spanish tap water is perfectly safe to drink. At fountains etc if it is labelled Agua Potable this is drinking water. Agua Non Potable it is not drinking water.Ha ha, google translate messed my heading up.. should be something like "Water to drink"
You have to fill your bottle before night. Then leave it open over night. Next morning the majority of chlorine disappeared.Yes, I find the tap water here in Spain tastes strongly of chemicals.
Flog was attempting humour, taking "drink from the sink" literally, which KariannNor may not have understood. You can drink water from the tap above the sink quite safely. But use the cold tap for drinking water if there are two taps.Can you drink from the sink? Probably best not to, unless you're a horse or something.
But you can drink from the tap anywhere in Spain and from most fonts too unless a sign says otherwise.
Takk for alle gode tilbakemeldinger! En av grunnene til spørsmålet mitt var nettopp fordi jeg vet at flasker som selges i for eksempel Spania noen ganger ikke er resirkulerbare. I mitt hjemland er det strengt forbudt å selge flasker som ikke kan resirkuleres. Det er fortsatt et paradoks at vi selger vannet vårt til andre land som «verdens reneste», men vi vet faktisk ikke i hvilke oppbevaringsflasker det selges i mottakerlandet. Vel, jeg tar med mine norske resirkulerbare flasker, og fyller dem med ok kvalitetsvann. Og Frog, ha ha, ikke google translate igjen. Men litt bekymret for å kun bruke det kalde vannet hvis man må la det gå lenge, hørte at mange land har mangel på vann.. vel, fikk svar på spørsmålet mitt, fortsatt veldig interessant å høre om alles erfaringer og vaner ..Noen ganger vil ikke byen betale for vannkvalitetstesting, men de vet at det er bra og lokalbefolkningen bruker det. Tilsynelatende, i dette tilfellet, har de lov til å signere det som vannkvalitet ikke garantert .
It is preferable to take water from the cold tap to drink, as (a) it is the obvious one to use. You would not want to drink warm water or hot water. (b) because the water may have been sitting in a tank for hours, so if there are any bugs (bacteria) in it, they've had plenty of time to multiply. The first water out of the hot tap may be cold if nobody has used it for a while, so you may think it's OK.Takk for alle gode tilbakemeldinger! En av grunnene til spørsmålet mitt var nettopp fordi jeg vet at flasker som selges i for eksempel Spania noen ganger ikke er resirkulerbare. I mitt hjemland er det strengt forbudt å selge flasker som ikke kan resirkuleres. Det er fortsatt et paradoks at vi selger vannet vårt til andre land som «verdens reneste», men vi vet faktisk ikke i hvilke oppbevaringsflasker det selges i mottakerlandet. Vel, jeg tar med mine norske resirkulerbare flasker, og fyller dem med ok kvalitetsvann. Og Frog, ha ha, ikke google translate igjen. Men litt bekymret for å kun bruke det kalde vannet hvis man må la det gå lenge, hørte at mange land har mangel på vann.. vel, fikk svar på spørsmålet mitt, fortsatt veldig interessant å høre om alles erfaringer og vaner ..
Do you think metal bottles have less impact on the environment?Buy a metal bottle to use on years of Caminos. If all 428,000 pilgrims last year only bought one plastic disposable bottle to use during their Camino, this is still almost half a million plastic bottles.
WOW, good to know!!A tip: when you are running out of water while you are really thirsty: in every little village you will find a cemetery/graveyard where you will find a tap! Spanish people keep very good care of their deceased loved ones, inclusief watering the flowers of their graves.
I think people who focus on plastic waste tend to ignore the resource costs of producing the alternatives in metal and other materials. The cost of these bottles indicates to me that they have a far more significant upstream effect than thin-walled plastic bottles. Neither effect is desirable - the upstream resource cost and the downstream pollution problem we create when we don't dispose of plastic waste properly.Do you think metal bottles have less impact on the environment?
Well people who have a metal bottle are more inclined to re-use it than single use plastic bottles. And the problem with plastic is that once it's there, it's there. It's still not very recyclable, and thus creates an unnecessary waste. And we have already enough waste on this earth that we don't know how to deal with, so in my opinion, every little step that we do to avoid more waste is a good thing. A solid re-usable plastic bottle is fine too, and much lighter than metal. As long as you use it for its whole lifecycle (and as it is made from plastic it will probably outlive you).Do you think metal bottles have less impact on the environment?
I believe what they are referring to is the wastefulness of one use plastics such as water and soda bottles, grocery bags etc. (just to name a few). These one use plastics have a horrible impact on the environment as waste (and they are zero biodegradable) and in fossil fuel use as they are products of the petroleum industry as is all plastic.Do you think metal bottles have less impact on the environment?
It's all about awareness. Good discussion to have on Earth Day! Let's be good stewards of the one earth that we have.And just to throw a bird into the jet engine...
The environmental impact of a plastic bottle might be a mute point in the context of a camino when we consider a single conscientious individual taking a medium long haul flight to Spain, could personally burn upwards of a tonne of kerosene..
Two points:These one use plastics have a horrible impact on the environment as waste (and they are zero biodegradable) and in fossil fuel use as they are products of the petroleum industry as is all plastic.
Love this!And just to throw a bird into the jet engine...
We are not far away from plastics made with captured carbon although they’ll be expensive at first.Two points:
- drink bottles are not inherently single-use. It is people who make them so, from the bottle manufacturers through the water and soft drink producers and then through the entire value chain. It has become based on forward movement of product, without any return movement of the waste produced. There are single use plastic films such as those that remain in retail packaging, but I think these have a very limited life in most countries around the world. And many of those were capable of being put to a secondary use, albeit that was probably limited.
- it is incorrect to say that all plastics are products of the petroleum industry. Although that industry might still dominate plastic manufacture for some time to come, that seems to be changing. Bioplastics are being developed that will reduce the level of reliance on petroleum sourced hydrocarbons for plastic manufacture.
Everything you just said there isn't the norm now, and are the exception and a lot of wishful thinking about things that may or may not happen.Two points:
- drink bottles are not inherently single-use. It is people who make them so, from the bottle manufacturers through the water and soft drink producers and then through the entire value chain. It has become based on forward movement of product, without any return movement of the waste produced. There are single use plastic films such as those that remain in retail packaging, but I think these have a very limited life in most countries around the world. And many of those were capable of being put to a secondary use, albeit that was probably limited.
- it is incorrect to say that all plastics are products of the petroleum industry. Although that industry might still dominate plastic manufacture for some time to come, that seems to be changing. Bioplastics are being developed that will reduce the level of reliance on petroleum sourced hydrocarbons for plastic manufacture.
In many countries plastic water bottles are reused for all sorts of things.Everything you just said there isn't the norm now, and are the exception and a lot of wishful thinking about things that may or may not happen.
The overwhelming majority of plastic water bottles worldwide are single use because that's how they're used. Very few people reuse a plastic bottle the way referred to on this thread.
Your comment seems to me to be contradiction for contradiction sake.
Indeed. In Kerala I’ve seen them being used to be refilled from the local wells before being resold to the tourists.In many countries plastic water bottles are reused for all sorts of things.
Og bare for å kaste en fugl inn i jetmotoren...
Og bare for å kaste en fugl inn i jetmotoren...
Miljøpåvirkningen av en plastflaske kan være et stumt punkt i sammenheng med en camino når vi vurderer en enkelt samvittighetsfull person som tar en mellomlang flyvning til Spania, personlig kan brenne mot et tonn parafin.
Fantastic !! actually, I am a teacher in a country with an extremely long coastline, my students pick tons of plastic trash from other countries and make a lot of art like this out of itDette kan virke litt off-topic, men jeg var nylig i Florida og så dette ekte surfebrettet forvandlet til kunstverk, eksklusivt laget av strandsøppel, inkludert vannflasker omgjort til "skyer". Jeg syntes det var veldig kreativt og en flott gjenbrukside. Hvis du utvider områdene, vil du se alt; fra en tannbørste ... til en cheetos snackpose. Det var veldig smart og imponerende, imo.
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No, it is for accuracies sake. The issue is that we, as humans, allow these plastics to remain in the environment as waste. This is irrespective of whether they are genuinely single use, which clearly they are not even if that is how most of them might be used. Focussing on the plastic bottle and not on the human behaviour is what I am taking issue with.Your comment seems to me to be contradiction for contradiction sake.
That would be a lot of 100 ml bottles!There may be challenges getting 2000 liters into your backpack and into the overhead locker on the ‘plane
In Spain, in homes, water is potable from any tap in the house. Outside, or in any building, unless there is a notice saying no potable, drink away to your heart's content. If I repeat what has been said above, just ignore me!How is the water quality at the Frence route? Can you drink from the sink or do you have to buy bottles?
It's the absence of any signage that normally worries me, and I look for other indications about whether I want to use water from a particular source. A font clearly marked 'non-potable' is a no-brainer, but as has been pointed out, there might be other signs meaning not tested or not treated. Both of those I leave alone. My other indication is whether a free-flowing font is downhill from cultivated land, or from open forest. I think there are more risks with the latter of agricultural chemicals - fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides - being present.I don't trust that signage is put up saying whether the water is potable or not.
I'm sure they are, but again without a doubt the overwhelming majority of them are not recycled. Same with the plastic grocery type bags.In many countries plastic water bottles are reused for all sorts of things.
Maybe not where you live.I'm sure they are, but again without a doubt the overwhelming majority of them are not recycled. Same with the plastic grocery type bags.
Well we humans are so flawed and so fallible. That's just the way we are. Perfectly imperfect. Can't polish a turd, no silk purses from a sow's ear. It is what it is.No, it is for accuracies sake. The issue is that we, as humans, allow these plastics to remain in the environment as waste. This is irrespective of whether they are genuinely single use, which clearly they are not even if that is how most of them might be used. Focussing on the plastic bottle and not on the human behaviour is what I am taking issue with.
There are many people who only drink bottled water at home or when they are traveling. I agree that it's very wasteful.This guy came in and asked me for change for the machine. I gave him what I had, but he said he needed more, to buy bottles water from the machine. He asked me, somewhat frantically, where else can he get water. I pointed to the kitchen tap, a few meters away, and he shook his head like I was crazy. I pointed to the bottle of water from the tap that I was drinking from. He left.
Maybe not where you live.
While I am aware of that, I was shocked at the rigidity. Flexibility serves one well, on the Camino, while traveling anywhere, and just in general in life.There are many people who only drink bottled water at home or when they are traveling. I agree that it's very wasteful.
Google Translate says:Takk for alle gode tilbakemeldinger! En av grunnene til spørsmålet mitt var nettopp fordi jeg vet at flasker som selges i for eksempel Spania noen ganger ikke er resirkulerbare. I mitt hjemland er det strengt forbudt å selge flasker som ikke kan resirkuleres. det er fortsatt et paradoks at vi selger vannet vårt til andre land som «verdens reneste», men vi vet faktisk ikke i hvilke oppbevaringsflasker det selges i mottakerlandet. Vel, jeg tar med mine norske resirkulerbare flasker, og fyller dem med ok kvalitetsvann. Og Frog, ha ha, ikke google translate igjen. Men litt bekymret for å kun bruke det kalde vannet hvis man må la det gå lenge, at andre land har hørt på vann.. vel, fikk svar på spørsmålet mitt, fortsatt veldig interessant å høre om alle erfaringer og vaner ..
Yes! Same here. And directly from the garden hose as well.When I was growing up the only bottled water I knew about was the distilled water that my mother bought for the steam iron. We always drank water from the tap - sometimes directly.
Fuentes? Not fonts, surely?Can you drink from the sink? Probably best not to, unless you're a horse or something.
But you can drink from the tap anywhere in Spain and from most fonts too unless a sign says otherwise.
You can safely drink tap water (unless 'no potable').Can you drink from the sink or do you have to buy bottles?
the nationality that I have noticed being so adverse to Spanish tap water is a wealthy Western European one, where the tap water is perfectly safe. Their behavior seems very fear-driven.
I usually live in country where re-used plastic water bottles are the usual container for any liquid, including collecting spring water from the village tap to drink.Fact Sheet: Single Use Plastics - Earth Day
END PLASTIC POLLUTION Fact Sheet: Single-Use Plastics The billions upon billions of items of plastic waste choking our oceans, lakes, and rivers and piling up on land is more than unsightly and harmful to plants and wildlife. Plastic pollution is very real and single-use plastics are small but...www.earthday.org
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That’s reasonable. Some of the people I encountered on the Camino were not reasonable about water. Fear is a strong emotion, and it can cause people to make poor, unreasonable decisions.I think lots of people have that fear of tap water and therefore buy all their liquids, but don't think they reply now. I have to admit that on my charter trips to southern Spain I have bought water like the other tourists. I don't judge them, I understand that they don't want to get sick at valuable holidays. But, the Scandinavians who live in Spain that I know, drink from the tap. My question was therefore what most pilgrims do. If I see foreigners drinking from the tap, I do too.
Yes, I've lived in countries like that too. Nothing was wasted, and anything reusable was put to good use, but that's obviously not the gist of this thread as the Camino routes are in countries where reusing a plastic liquid bottle of any sort is not the norm.I usually live in country where re-used plastic water bottles are the usual container for any liquid, including collecting spring water from the village tap to drink.
I heard *after the fact* that bottled water is best in the Meseta....that being said, by the time I got to Carrion, I was VERY sick with stomach issues, but was able to "carry on". I had refilled bottles from the town square pumps- and I think that I may have had bad water from one that was flowing in a "trough". I can't be sure of course, but I did have tummy troubles and did drink from the pumps.How is the water quality at the Frence route? Can you drink from the sink or do you have to buy bottles?
Over the years there has been a higher level of reporting of gastro-intestinal illness in towns along the Meseta. Without denying the distress this causes, most of the reporting has been wildly speculative as to the source. While I cannot tell, one might expect to suffer from the occasional bout of traveller's diarrhoea when faced with new water and food, and it is possible that water supplies anywhere one travels are sufficiently different to cause that. It is one reason why, despite some members here claiming such fears are 'baseless and irrational', that people will make the choice to use bottled water. I, for one, don't blame them for that. Provided they dispose of the empty bottle appropriately, and not toss it away as litter, that would be fine. Some might, but there clearly are those that don't.I heard *after the fact* that bottled water is best in the Meseta
To be fair, the original suggestion in this thread was that rather than each pilgrim re-using a plastic water bottle for the duration of their walk, they should all go out and buy a metal one!Yes, I've lived in countries like that too. Nothing was wasted, and anything reusable was put to good use, but that's obviously not the gist of this thread as the Camino routes are in countries where reusing a plastic liquid bottle of any sort is not the norm.