Suggestions for Lightening my Backpack for a 6-day Camino Walk

[BookGirl305]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

 

[stevepjq]

lacrosse ball???
You must live in the DC - NY corridor!
Are you gonna find other Americans to have a game on the Camino?? haha

 

[C clearly]

What clothes will you be wearing - i.e. items that are not listed or shown? For clothing, we need to look at the clothing in terms of layering and combinations that can be used for different purposes. What is that "base layer" in row 6 - long sleeve top and bottom?

Is the lacrosse ball for foot massages? How much does it weigh, compared to, say, a tennis ball?

 

[BookGirl305]

lacrosse ball to massage the tendon on my feet at the end of the day. Golf and tennis balls work well too.
All clothing is in the picture, save shoes and a set of undies. I left all socks, shirts, etc in the picture as I didn't want to cheat the weight at all.

 

[trecile]

I don't count my hiking poles in my pack weight.

 

[Joe.Iozzi]

Most of what you are taking looks right. Here are a few suggestions. I find that one water bottle is enough in the spring. There are cafes and stores along the way where you can refill your bottle. Each one quart bottle of water weighs 4 lb. Every albergue provides pillows, you don't need to bring one. If it is just for the plane ride, then toss it when you arrive and buy a new one fro the return trip. Unless you are planning to have your backpack transported each day you don't need a day pack. Assuming your I-Phone has a light, you don't need to bring a flashlight. There are pharmacies in every town so you don't need a first aid kit, a couple of band aides or gauze pads and tape will do. Buy more as needed. A three lb backpack is too heavy, perhaps you could borrow or buy a used ultra-light pack, a 30 to 35 liter pack would do and it would save 1 to 1.5 lb. Leave the night dress at home, sleep in one set of the shorts and shirts you are bringing.
Have a good camino, Joe

 

[roving_rufus]

For that time of year I would have a look at all the layers you have, it seems to be alot with 3 tops plus a base layer plus a dress. And a fleece buff seems too much for June.
Rather than a flashlight, I have taken a tiny LED keyring which gives enough light to get to toilets etc without being overly bright and disturbing others

 

[Roland49]

Try to get rid of the Rain-jacket and get 2 "single-use" superleightweight Ponchos instead (mine was 11gr.).
Get rid of the collapsible bottles and buy 0.5l Water in "single-use" bottles at your starting-point. Mine were good from SJPdP to SdC.
I don't think that you need a daypack, I had a bump-pack with all cards, camera, snacks, phone, power-bank, (and bottle-holders) that was just perfect for the CF (you aren't forced to get your b/p off to reach your money or cards), etc.
Replace the Shampoo and Conditioner with a small bar of Aleppo-Soap (or similar) in a zip-loc-pouch, you can use it to wash your clothes, too.

If you start from Pamplona, I recommend the Casa Paderborn. It should open on 1st of March.

Hope that I could help, enjoy your Camino!

Roland

 

[C clearly]

Overall, I think your list looks good, and the layers are reasonable (i.e. not too many). The weight of 7.85 kg includes at least 1 kg of things you will be wearing.

We could argue about how many bandaids to carry, and the weight of a tennis ball compared to lacrosse. If that backpack fits you well, then I would not recommend changing it just to save a few ounces. I would not get rid of the rain jacket.

Overall I think your list shows that you have chosen with care, to suit your needs and preferences.

Somewhat separate question - How will you carry your phone and valuables?

 

[Marbe2]

I don't count my hiking poles in my pack weight.

Walmart poles are heavy in general!

 

[Camino Chrissy]

2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total)

I quickly noticed your water bottles as I had just purchased the same ones online a few months ago after hiking in the Sedona, Arizona red rock hills with a friend who had the same collapsible water bottle. The wide mouth allowed her to add ice cubes before leaving our hotel as the temps in August were nearly 100°F. They may be a bit heavy for the Camino, but I like mine for local hiking.
On the Camino I use Smartwater bottles with fliptop opening lids and have been happy with those.

 

[BookGirl305]

phone and valuables: on the waist strap of my pack is a black and tan pouch (already included in the weight). It is actually this:

https://www.decathlon.com/products/...d=multipocket-bag-travel-123350&source=search

it has a loop to thread the waist strap of my pack through and holds the phone, credencial, and passport very nicely. At night, it can come off the pack and has a cross body strap for in town. I did have to secure it with a tiny carabiner.

 

[pasiño a pasiño]

Most of what you are taking looks right. Here are a few suggestions. I find that one water bottle is enough in the spring. There are cafes and stores along the way where you can refill your bottle. Each one quart bottle of water weighs 4 lb. Every albergue provides pillows, you don't need to bring one. If it is just for the plane ride, then toss it when you arrive and buy a new one fro the return trip. Unless you are planning to have your backpack transported each day you don't need a day pack. Assuming your I-Phone has a light, you don't need to bring a flashlight. There are pharmacies in every town so you don't need a first aid kit, a couple of band aides or gauze pads and tape will do. Buy more as needed. A three lb backpack is too heavy, perhaps you could borrow or buy a used ultra-light pack, a 30 to 35 liter pack would do and it would save 1 to 1.5 lb. Leave the night dress at home, sleep in one set of the shorts and shirts you are bringing.
Have a good camino, Joe

i just don't like the attitude of throwing something away just for the sake of a lighter backpack and purchase a replacement after the trip....this "consumer society" is damaging enough for our environment.
you can suggest to give this pillow someone who needs it! In Santiago for example are living enough people on the street who would appreciate this gift!

 

[Esperanza]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

These are the things I would jettison: pillow, collapsible water bottles (they suck. I would prefer just reusing a single use one or what I use are nalgene.), the daypack (unless sending backpack ahead), 1 pair of nylon shorts (no need for 2), tevas (Too heavy. Replace with flip flops that weigh nothing to wear in showers and around the albergue. Not sure why you bringing them, but on a six day Camino, I don’t think you need a back up pair of hiking shoes.), and the night gown.

Not sure what you mean by base layers. Usually that means long underwear. If you’re bringing that, then you can sleep in them if you’re resistant to sleeping in your hiking clothes, which is what I do. I shower in the afternoon, change into fresh clothes, wear them until the next day’s shower. I take the pants off at night, and I don’t wash them every day, just top, bra, undies. Also, if you’re bringing a long underwear top, maybe don’t need a long sleeve T-shirt.

Things I would add: a second bra because they get sweaty and I wash mine everyday. A fleece jacket or down or puffy vest or something to layer under your rain/wind jacket. That is a really important item/combo to have along. It can be chilly in late May/June, especially in the morning and evening. I know when I walked at that time, there were definitely mornings when I wore a long sleeve turtleneck base layer, a fleece and a gortex jacket, a headband-type hat, and gloves. And it wasn’t even raining. Most evenings I wore the fleece to dinner or while hanging out around the albergue. You definitely need a warmth layer.

Otherwise, it looks good.

 

[C clearly]

You definitely need a warmth layer.

I wore a long sleeve turtleneck base layer, a fleece and a gortex jacket, a headband-type hat, and gloves.

Wear the long sleeve base layer, long sleeve shirt, and short sleeved shirt together. That is very likely going to be adequate for 6 days in May-June. If you encounter a very unusually cold morning, put on the long base layer bottom under the hiking pants, add the buff and the gloves, and even layer on the dress if you need! The pack will then be very light and you will be warm enough once you start walking.

 

[Former member 91017]

I second getting rid of the pillow As @Esperanza suggests. The albergues have pillows.

I no longer take my own water bottle that I use at home on shorter journeys. So what *do* I use? A “Smart Water” bottle or equivalent (Loblaws has a brand that seems to be the same bottle)… and a re-usable flip lid for those bottles that came from Gossamer Gear. GG doesn’t make the cap anymore, so I cling to mine.

Why those bottles? They are 750 ml (so hold plenty) and they are very smooth to place in and out of the side pockets… And I can probably use the same 2 bottles for the entire journey (in my case 32 days).

The rest seems like it’s up to you to decide between what you are comfortable with (I second the sleeping in your shirt and underwear for the next day instead of taking PJs), but I can say that on a 36-day hike I had one pair of shorts, one pair of leggings and one pair of quick dry, super light trousers. I’d start the day in the leggings and trousers. By mid-day the trousers were off. On some days I’d switch to the shorts at lunch…

Like @trecile I don’t count poles in the pack weight, but the heavier your poles, the more work for your arms — not necessarily a bad thing and not one that will hurt you anyway.

Buen Camino!

 

[Vacajoe]

You can walk with that, especially since your pack will be lighter with the clothes you will be wearing. There is no prize for the lightest pack.

However, for the sake of a parlor game, here’s my recommendations if you find it too heavy: Are you unnaturally cold while hiking? If not, ditch the base layers as you already have long pants and a long shirt AND a jacket! Sleep in shorts since your time period is generally warm. Buy a water when you arrive and reuse that bottle. Replace the lacrosse ball with a tennis ball and then gift it to a (very surprised and happy!) dog in SdC. Teva sandals are waaay to heavy for simple shower use - flip flops or crocs serve the same purpose and weigh a fraction of the tevas.

 

[Malifice]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

Things to remove (in bold):

Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 1 pair nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 2 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night

The above list includes things you're wearing I hope.

You want 1 set of clothes to walk in (worn), and 1 spare set to change into (packed). That's the only clothes you bring, other than a fleece or puffy and a rain coat/ poncho/ umbrella. Overpacked clothes is the number 1 mistake people make (that and wearing heavy boots).

You don't need a daypack with a 36L bag.

You dont need a pillow, sewing kit, first aid kit, gloves, a fork, or flashlight (your phone has one built in). Your buff doubles as a towel, and you can use it as an eye mask as well.

For water, buy a waterbottle (or two), and re-use. Basic plastic bottles are lighter than collapsble ones, and better/ easier to use.

Dropping most of the clothes above, and the other things I suggest leaving saves you at least 2kgs (probably 3+ kgs).

 

[trecile]

Your buff doubles as a towel,

It does?!

 

[Malifice]

It does?!

Yeah.

I travel and hike with a cotton shemaug scarf (150gms) that has functioned as my towel, scarf, blanket, eye mask, pillow, privacy screen, water filter, sling (both medical and gear), face mask, buff and balaclava.

Sarongs for women are equally versatile, in that they do all the above, plus function as skirts/ sun dresses, and privacy/ modesty coverings for temples in SEA.

 

[VNwalking]

You don't need a daypack with a 36L bag.

Agree

You dont need a sewing kit, first aid kit, gloves,

You might not, @maliface, but these are essentials for me, always used on each of my caminos. I'd say leave them in.

or flashlight (your phone has one built in). Your buff doubles as a towel, and you can use it as an eye mask as well.

Absolutely, to almost all, but a quibble: if you have a normal sized body, or any hair at all, a buff is not enough of a towel.

 

[VNwalking]

I travel and hike with a cotton shemaug scarf (150gms) that has functioned as my towel, scarf, blanket, eye mask, pillow, privacy screen, water filter, sling (both medical and gear), face mask, buff and balaclava.

Sarongs for women are equally versatile, in that they do all the above, plus function as skirts/ sun dresses, and privacy/ modesty coverings for temples in SEA.

Yes absolutely.
But that's not a buff!

 

[Malifice]

You might not, @maliface, but these are essentials for me, always used on each of my caminos. I'd say leave them in.

You're walking past pharmacies nearly every single day. You can get what you need as you go, so sewing kits and medical kits are 100 percent of the time dead weight.

Absolutely, to almost all, but a quibble: if you have any hair at all a buff is not enough of a towel.

Depends on the size. I use a cotton shemaugh (3' by 3' scarf) and it works fine.

 

[Malifice]

Yes absolutely.
But that's not a buff!

You can dry yourself with a buff.

Thru hikers do just this over 2000+ mile thru hikes.

 

[trecile]

Depends on the size. I use a cotton shemaugh (3' by 3' scarf) and it works fine.

That's quite a big bigger, and more absorbent than a Buff!

You're walking past pharmacies nearly every single day. You can get what you need as you go, so sewing kits and medical kits are 100 percent of the time dead weight.

Yes, you are walking by pharmacies often, but I would still bring a few bandages to patch up scrapes. She didn't say that she was bringing a sewing kit, just that the sewing kit was standing in for a first aid kit in the photo.

 

[VNwalking]

You're walking past pharmacies nearly every single day. You can get what you need as you go, so sewing kits and medical kits are 100 percent of the time dead weight.

Sorry, I have a different experience, from 6 caminos. I''ve never once fallen or twisted an ankle in front of a pharmacia. You need it when you need it.

The sewing kit is one of my essenials, too, but it weighs next to nothing.

 

[C clearly]

1 long sleeve

The OP does not have a fleece or puffy. She is relying on the long sleeve shirt plus base layer to be warm. I think that two thin layers are more versatile than one thicker one.

The OP is a first time walker. She has a pretty good list. There are a few things (mostly small or not hugely expensive) that she might find are not needed, as she can certainly leave them behind in an albergue donation box.

I have regularly done my laundry while wearing a rain jacket and pants, and prefer to do that, over starting to wear a sarong.

 

[Malifice]

Yes, you are walking by pharmacies often, but I would still bring a few bandages to patch up scrapes.

Each to their own I guess. I've thru hiked and the most common thing you see in hiker boxes are 1st aid kits.

I bring a few immodium tablets, some ibuprophen and a little bit of tape (wrapped around my hiking poles). Around 10 grams weight in the pack.

And that's in the wilderness. If I was walking past pharmacies all day, sleeping in towns, and with mobile phone reception, I doubt I'd even bring that.

 

[Malifice]

The OP is a first time walker. She has a pretty good list.

I didn't say it was a bad list. She asked for a shakedown, and I gave one.

She could nearly halve her weight though, and not miss anything. I mean, you could walk a week on the camino without anything other than the clothes you're wearing, a credit card, a 10l pack with a waterbottle holder, and you'd probably be OK.

 

[VNwalking]

And that's in the wilderness. If I was walking past pharmacies all day, sleeping in towns, and with mobile phone reception, I doubt I'd even bring that.

I mean, you could walk a week on the camino without anything other than the clothes you're wearing, a credit card, a 10l pack with a waterbottle holder, and you'd probably be OK.

Sure you could. But why? To feel superior to the suffering people around you, just because you're carrying less?

 

[Malifice]

Sure you could. But why? To feel superior to the suffering people around you, just because you're carrying less?

It's got nothing to do with anyone else's suffering (that's up to them), it's to avoid suffering yourself!

 

[VNwalking]

Of course, you're right.
And many would find an ultralight kit more suffering than the weight. We all suffer, but in different ways. And compassion is up to all of us.

 

[C clearly]

I am 73 years old and carry about 6 kg quite comfortably, so I carry a number of things that I enjoy having with me. If I were having a tough time with that weight, I might dispose of a few things. It's all a matter of balancing comfort provided by items, with the discomfort of carrying them. We're trying to help each person figure out the right balance for their circumstances.

 

[Malifice]

Of course, you're right.
And many would find an ultralight kit more suffering than the weight. We all suffer, but in different ways.

Yeah man, for sure - hike your own hike. I got no issue with that. If you want to carry 20 kilos and that makes you happy, it's got zero to do with me, just like if you want to carry next to nothing and that makes you happy, you do you.

It's just the OP was asking for a pack shakedown to lighten her load, so I gave one.

You need a lot less than you think you need. If in doubt, leave it out. Don't pack your fears etc.

If 'light' is what you're aiming for, you can easily walk the entire Frances with around 2 kilos on your back, plus what you're wearing and a small bum pack, and miss nothing.

 

[Malifice]

For the record, that's 500 grams for a 30l pack, 500 grams for a change of clothes, 200 grams in toiletries, 300 grams for a sleeping bag liner, and 500 grams for a puffy and rain jacket/ poncho.

That's around 2 kilos on your back (without water), and you wont miss a thing.

Carry your phone, charger, some foam earplugs and charging brick in your bum bag.

Wear your shemaug/ scarf (doubles as a towel) a set of clothes (hiking naked will attract some strange looks), and some trail runners.

Carry your poles.

 

[Malifice]

Using one of these:

https://zpacks.com/products/sub-nero-30l-backpack

I get the following for a full 800km Frances loadout:

Pack (around 2kgs):

• Zpacks sub-nero 30L backpack (255 grams)
• Small garbage bag inside (to waterproof) (20 grams)
• Underarmor tech 2.0 short sleeve shirt (130 gms)
• Spare merino underwear (60 gms)
• Spare smartwool hiking socks (60 gms)
• Macpac Nitro fleece (120 gms)
• Smartwool base 2.0 fleece leggings (130gms)
• Nylon running shorts (120 gms)
• Montbell storm cruiser rain jacket (280 gms)
• Enlightened Equipment Torrid puffy (220gms)
• Toothbrush, 100gms roll on, toothpaste, soap (250gms)
• Sea to summit thermo-light reactor liner (400gms)

With a full 1l bottle of water, you're carrying 3 kilos on your back. As an added bonus, the pack comes with a foam seat you can detach for breaks.

In your bum bag, you carry your phone, charger, power brick, wallet/ cards, glasses, a few sets of foam earplugs, chapstick and sunscreen (plus snacks) (500 grams)

You wear a hat, scarf/ shemaug (also your towel, face mask, extra blanket etc), light hiking pants, trail runners, merino socks, underwear, t-shirt and/or sun hoodie.

Carry your poles.

For layers, you have 2 x t-shirts, a sun hoodie, fleece, Apex insulated puffy jacket and goretex jacket to layer on top, plus leggings AND hiking pants (down low), and a scarf. No chance with that you'll get too cold.

You could bring extra for 'comfort' but I (personally) dont see the need. I'd likely add in an umbrella (200 gms) and a pair of cheap flip flops (300 grams), but you can add them in at any time on the walk, at any one off the several shops you walk past each day.

 

[C clearly]

When @BookGirl305 comes back to read this thread, I hope she'll take it in good humour and have some fun reconsidering her pack contents and imagining what it would be like to go minimalist! Maybe walk in one sarong and carry another! Or maybe she'll just pick a few items to leave behind. (Because undoubtedly a few other items will creep in, on the way!) It's good not to have expensive or sentimental items that could become burdens.

 

[Malifice]

When @BookGirl305 comes back to read this thread, I hope she'll take in in good humour and have some fun reconsidering her pack contents and imagining what it would be like to go minimalist! Maybe walk in one sarong and carry another! Or maybe she'll just pick a few items to leave behind. (Because undoubtedly a few other items will creep in, on the way!) It's good not to have expensive or sentimental items that could become burdens.

Yeah, I chucked up a full packing list for her above. That would see anyone through the full 800kms with no issues (although it's male orientated, so add a sports bra or two, some feminine hygiene products, and maybe a light summer dress).

Its 2 kilos without water on your back, plus 500 grams in your bumbag (with phone etc).

Although again, I'd likely bring an umbrella and pair of flip flops to push it up to 2.5 kilos on my back.

 

[good_old_shoes]

@Malifice Many people who walk the caminos have not been (long distance) hikers before. I think that can explain why "ultralight" is not that common in the pilgrim community, and more often you'll see the solution of sending the pack ahead instead of lightening it beyond a certain point.

It is a very big step, in my opinion, to jump from "normal" travel equipment most people take on vacation and have been doing so all their life before (often giant suitcases with loads of stuff for only a few days) to an ultralight hiker's minimal pack. My family members for example will bring a 20-30kg suitcase each plus toiletry bags bigger than most camino backpacks even for a weekend trip staying at a hotel. It's almost unthinkable and also too scary for many to go from 100 to almost zero. It is also not necessary.

A 5-8kg pack ist already a giant compromise for most camino first-timers and can be carried by most without problems, unless there are medical issues.

Also comfort comes in different forms. Not everyone's goal is to have the lightest possible pack. Mine has 8kg and I'm totally happy with it and have been for years and over several thousand kms. I've been unhappy with several ultra light options I've tried, so I stick to the system that works for me for now (my 8kgs include camping gear, though).

You're of course right that the list that @BookGirl305 posted is not the lightest, and your ideas on how to make the pack much lighter are not wrong. Also it was the question asked, and she included "all opinions welcome" so I think an ultralight approach adds an interesting view on this.

I just wanted to give some explanation why many pilgrims answering this thread are not worried much about the weight of the pack, and why your ultralight ideas are not taken as gospel.

 

[BookGirl305]

I am back. Y'all are good!
There seems to be some common themes running through, so next weekend I'll pull those out and reweigh it and see.
I like the weight of Malifice's pack and nearly every item on it matches my AT hiker buddy's suggestions, but as a first timer, the price range for those things is past my budget- my $9.98 set of base layers from Lidl vs the $200 merino set from Smartwool. I started from scratch on this, but if I want to go back and do another section next year, I can upgrade one item at a time. I don't yet know whether this trip is going to scratch the itch or if it's an ongoing thing, so I didn't want to go crazy spending on gear I might only use once. Look at how much I bought and am (probably) leaving behind LOL. I paid retail for the first set of shoes, my pack, and for socks. After that? Academy, Amazon, Walmart, and eBay.

But seriously- the albergue and pension pillows are of a quality that I should leave mine behind? I just keep picturing all y'alls stories about stinky hikers and people who wear the same clothes day after day and don't wash their hair for 3 days (if that) and... this isn't the Hilton. Do those pillows have cases? Are they gross? because the hygiene of the people from the multiple nights before is questionable.

 

[good_old_shoes]

Albergue pillows usually have easy to clean rubber encasements. Often you'll also get a disposable pillow case and sheet.
If you prefer your own pillow case, maybe bringing that is a compromise, and lighter than your own pillow.

 

[Malifice]

I like the weight of Malifice's pack and nearly every item on it matches my AT hiker buddy's suggestions, but as a first timer, the price range for those things is past my budget-

You can pick up the items I suggested from 'off brand' or much cheaper options for only slightly more weight.

Leaving things out is free remember (heck, you save money if you havent bought them already!).

You want 1 set of clothes (worn) and then pack: 1 x shirt, 1 x shorts, light fleece/ poly leggings, a light fleece hoodie or puffer jacket, and a rain jacket, plus 1 x socks, 1 x underwear and 1 x bra in your backpack.

Add a handful of basic toiletries, a sleeping bag liner, and a large cotton scarf/sarong (that can double as a blanket, towel, scarf, pillow etc)plus your phone charger and you'll be set.

But seriously- the albergue and pension pillows are of a quality that I should leave mine behind?

You'll be fine. If you're seriously concerned, simply use your clean shirt (or your scarf) as a pillow case, slipping the pillow inside.

 

[Malifice]

@Malifice Many people who walk the caminos have not been (long distance) hikers before. I think that can explain why "ultralight" is not that common in the pilgrim community, and more often you'll see the solution of sending the pack ahead instead of lightening it beyond a certain point.

It is a very big step, in my opinion, to jump from "normal" travel equipment most people take on vacation and have been doing so all their life before (often giant suitcases with loads of stuff for only a few days) to an ultralight hiker's minimal pack. My family members for example will bring a 20-30kg suitcase each plus toiletry bags bigger than most camino backpacks even for a weekend trip staying at a hotel. It's almost unthinkable and also too scary for many to go from 100 to almost zero. It is also not necessary.

A 5-8kg pack ist already a giant compromise for most camino first-timers and can be carried by most without problems, unless there are medical issues.

For sure mate, but I do have experience with UL hiking and 'one bag' travel (I travel carry on only, for months or years at a time) so I'm just passing on my expertise.

If the OP gets something from it great. If not, then it's no biggie.

I've never heard of anyone hiking, doing the Camino, or backpacking the globe saying 'Damn, I wish I brought more stuff'. I have heard nearly everyone on those trips saying 'I've brought waaaaaay to much stuff', and frequently.

Hike your own hike, and travel however you want to, but IME, less is more.

 

[trecile]

But seriously- the albergue and pension pillows are of a quality that I should leave mine behind?

Absolutely. I never considered bringing a pillow. The only sleep gear that I see in your list is a quilt. How are you going to use it? Most people who use quilts also use a silk liner - many of which have a pocket for the pillow. The albergues don't usually provide real sheets, but they do provide disposable ones.
A silk liner is going to weigh a lot less than that pillow. Some as little as 4 ounces. Non silk liners weigh a bit more.

I just keep picturing all y'alls stories about stinky hikers and people who wear the same clothes day after day and don't wash their hair for 3 days (if that) and... this isn't the Hilton. Do those pillows have cases? Are they gross? because the hygiene of the people from the multiple nights before is questionable

Maybe I was lucky, but I never came across gross and stinky pilgrims. Remember, this isn't a wilderness hike. It's a walk through villages, towns, and countryside. There is an opportunity to shower every day, and most are eager to do so.

 

[Malifice]

Absolutely. I never considered bringing a pillow. The only sleep gear that I see in your list is a quilt. How are you going to use it? Most people who use quilts also use a silk liner - many of which have a pocket for the pillow. The albergues don't usually provide real sheets, but they do provide disposable ones.

This is what's been bugging me.

I cant seem to get a straight answer on the need for a sleeping bag, or if the hostels and refuges provide blankets.

A lot of info seems to indicate that most do, and some dont, but due to COVID, they want you using your own and wont be providing them anymore (so likely many wont provide any).

I have a 500 gram 950fb down quilt, but it cost me an arm and a leg and is a pain to wash because it's down (which will need to happen, because of the bedbugs everywhere on the Camino) so it looks like I'm stuck bringing my (admittedly beloved) 800 gram Woobie (synthetic light military issued quilt).

Has anyone had any luck blanket-less?

 

[trecile]

Has anyone had any luck blanket-less?

It depends on the time of year. In the warmer months one can get by with only a silk liner or something similar. If it's a little cold you just wear more of your clothes.
I haven't walked since 2019, but it does sound like many albergues are no longer providing blankets.
I haven't had any problem washing my down blanket. I have a tiny one which just covers me that I tuck inside my silk sleep sack. It weighs 209 grams/7.4 ounces.

Down Blanket M

Fitted with snaps and lightweight adjustable cords, this down blanket easily converts to a shawl...

www.montbell.us

 

[Malifice]

It depends on the time of year. In the warmer months one can get by with only a silk liner or something similar. If it's a little cold you just wear more of your clothes.
I haven't walked since 2019, but it does sound like many albergues are no longer providing blankets.
I haven't had any problem washing my down blanket. I have a tiny one which just covers me that I tuck inside my silk sleep sack. It weighs 209 grams/7.4 ounces.

Down Blanket M

Fitted with snaps and lightweight adjustable cords, this down blanket easily converts to a shawl...

www.montbell.us

Thanks mate.

I was torn between 3 options.

1) Take nothing and risk it. Pro's - lightest option, Cons: moderate hassle (cold nights etc).
2) Take my (very expensive) 30F down backpacking quilt. Only 600 grams, but bedbug exposure will ruin it (it will need to be hot washed and dried out which takes time and care to not totally ruin the down). So slightly heavier than nothing, but also moderate hassle (and potentially catastrophic).
3) Take my military issued synthetic woobie blanket. 800 grams, but bombproof and can be washed and dried dead easily. Heaviest option, but least hassle overall.

I'm currently leaning on option 3.

I know (from backpacking) how much weight I (M, 47) can handle comfortably, and I can get my base gear, plus extras like a pair of jeans, flip flops and travel umbrella (and extra toiletries like cologne etc) plus the woobie to under 5kgs packed (and I can carry that comfortably all day long).

Still, 4kgs would have been better than 5!

 

[trecile]

it will need to be hot washed and dried out which takes time and care to not totally ruin the down

As I said in reply to your post in the sleeping bag thread:

Washing in very hot water is not necessary. 20-30 minutes in a hot dryer is what kills the bugs and their eggs. If you also want to wash it I would do so after the hot dryer heat treatment at the manufacturer's recommended temperature.

Another option on warm sunny days is to put it in a black plastic garbage bag and set it in the sun for a few hours.

 

[Malifice]

As I said in reply to your post in the sleeping bag thread:

Washing in very hot water is not necessary. 20-30 minutes in a hot dryer is what kills the bugs and their eggs. If you also want to wash it I would do so after the hot dryer heat treatment at the manufacturer's recommended temperature.

Another option on warm sunny days is to put it in a black plastic garbage bag and set it in the sun for a few hours.

After having to deal with bedbugs in an apartment I had a few years ago (it was an absolute nightmare) I take no chances with the suckers!.

For 200 grams weight penalty, the synthetic bag brings a lot of advantages in the hassle free regard.

I might ditch my jeans. That gets my weight back down to 4.5kgs.

 

[good_old_shoes]

@Malifice

Worrying about a few hundreds grams more or a kilo extra in the pack seems stressful to me. I simply don't care, I'll walk comfortably with a 6 or with a 9kg pack.

Many ultra light hikers seem to be very dogmatic about what is okay to pack and what is unacceptable weight. That approach simply doesn't appeal to me.

Your mix of high quality ultralight but then planning to carry a pair of jeans is interesting, though, and very undogmatic, for sure

 

[nidarosa]

At night, it can come off the pack and has a cross body strap for in town.

I wouldn't keep my valuables bag on the backpack. If it already has a crossbody strap, use it and put it on before you put on your backpack, that way if and when you take the backpack off to go into a café, shop, whatever, you still have your passport, money and valuables *on you* and it is never out of your sight. Also take it into the shower with you and wear it around your waist or something while you sleep. Theft is rare, but it does happen! Also, I'd definitely keep the rain jacket as it will keep wind, water and cold away, on misty mornings as well as chilly nights. I'd lose the pillow and the water bags though. And I never count the poles in the pack weight - they are always in my hands. If they are not, how much do you want or need them? Other than that, a good list and with wearing some of it, the weight is fine. Buen camino!

 

[Malifice]

@Malifice

Worrying about a few hundreds grams more or a kilo extra in the pack seems stressful to me. I simply don't care, I'll walk comfortably with a 6 or with a 9kg pack.

Many ultra light hikers seem to be very dogmatic about what is okay to pack and what is unacceptable weight. That approach simply doesn't appeal to me.

Your mix of high quality ultralight but then planning to carry a pair of jeans is interesting, though, and very undogmatic, for sure

I'm an UL hiker (5 kilos or less base weight) and a 'one bag' carry on only traveler (7kg carry on limit), so I take a few grams here or there seriously!

Cutting 50 grams here, or 100 grams there, and 5 grams there, adds up. I've seen it with pack shakedowns on long thru-hikes, where people can literally have 5 kilos or more worth of gear stripped from what they're bringing, and not notice those things are gone at all (other than now carrying 5 kilos instead of 10!)

Cutting off tags and straps that are not needed, using multi-functional gear, going minimalist and so forth are all free ways of doing it. Using expensive down, DCF fabrics is the expensive way.

I find an extra advantage in that if I can get my base gear down to (say) 2-3 kilos, I know I can then add 1 kilo back in (a pair of jeans, and some flip flops etc) for luxury.

Each to their own though mate. Im only trying to help the OP reduce her weight (because that's exactly what she asked for help with).

 

[VNwalking]

Many people who walk the caminos have not been (long distance) hikers before.

I was, but not in the way @Maliface has been - I was a field biologist and had to carry everything I needed for weeks at a time,. So in my 20s and 30s I was often carrying 50lbs on my back. Back then ultralight was not a thing, anyway, and no-one had any opinions one way or the other. You carried what you needed and that was that. So that's still my basic attitude and within limits I don't really care what it weighs.

Now (like so many things) rather than being a pragmatic attitude, how much you carry seems to have become an identity.

I'm an UL hiker

Please don't take it personally when we push back, @Malifice . Your priorities are yours and that's totally fine. But people who walk the camino mostly don't obsess over every gram. Many don't even care or even think it a bit over the top. There's no accounting for taste.

As you say the OP asked for feedback, and since your lens is ultralight so you added the "(because that's exactly what she asked for help with)" part, but she just asked for our opinions. Here is all she said:

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome.

 

[woody66]

Hi Bookgirl305!
I did my first Camino from Porto last September and took loads of advise from the forum which helped me make it to Santiago! (thankyou all)
I had nearly two years to prepare and got my pack weight to what i thought was ideal just checked it was 4.85 kilos without water and food with nothing unnecessary!(or so i thought)
I am male not female so some items needed in the pack may differ.

I have my gear now for all my future Caminos; and loads of stuff i thought was great but after trying didn't like.

Well i was in Portugal and Spain for 27 days all hot bar one(22 to 27 degrees C); i had prepared for most eventuality's but was surprised that what i thought was essential in the pack became extra weight for me to carry!
My Ecco sandals.(loved them by the way)
I walked everyday in Hoka Stinsons so socomfy; by day 12 or 13 i thought am i ever going to put these Ecco's on my feet i decided no!
So donated them i lost the weight of a house brick i would have lugged to Santiago!
Also along the way i donated/ gifted to other pilgrims loads of stuff i carried ; like to many what if medications! gel toe covers, 2 pairs liner socks never wore(wore just a single layer of sock),long sleeve montane t shirt, Columbia hiking shirt (just got soaked in sweat after about an hour)
As has been said above you can get what you need along the way if needed it's Europe not the Amazon jungle!
Take all the sound advice on here it will make a great difference to your walk!

But the walk itself will make the decisions for you!
You will love it!
One last thing don't under estimate how much water to take;being without is awful!
Buen Camino
Woody

 

[Former member 49149]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

You have done a lot of work! Well done. I presume you need a pillow, and a dress to wear in the evenings (We just wore the next day's clothes after the shower)... as you will have seen above, some things do not count in the overall weight - walking poles can be used - if for nothing else, they will exercise your arms and stop swelling in your hands. I find it hard to tell you what to leave out. Prior to my first camino, I packed and unpacked umpteen times. In the event, in Atapuerca, a friend came to meet us for lunch and she took away socks, tin plates and cups we did not need. 3kg in total. We used silk liners instead of sleeping bags. We stayed in albergues/refugios all the time. If you plan to use other sleeping places, you would not need the sleeping bag or the pillow, unless that is a medical requirement. I don't like technical towels, and just have an ancient old worn out cotton towel instead, but the large cotton sarong idea is very good too. No buff, I had a neckscarf that got soaked frequently to keep cool. Do come back in and report!

 

[Malifice]

I was, but not in the way @Maliface has been - I was a field biologist and had to carry everything I needed for weeks at a time,. So in my 20s and 30s I was often carrying 50lbs on my back. Back then ultralight was not a thing, anyway, and no-one had any opinions one way or the other. You carried what you needed and that was that. So that's still my basic attitude and within limits I don't really care what it weighs.

I feel you. I was once a solider and had to carry even more

Please don't take it personally when we push back, @Malifice . Your priorities are yours and that's totally fine. But people who walk the camino mostly don't obsess over every gram. Many don't even care or even think it a bit over the top. There's no accounting for taste.

No offence taken, but the title of the thread is literally - ''Empty my backpack- all opinions welcomed.''

I then gave my opinion to the OP, on how to do exactly that (which she welcomed!).

She's carrying nearly 8kilos for a week only (and that's with no water or snacks, so it'll likely come out to 10 kilos.

She doesnt need half that, and I dare say her week on the track will be much better without it, which is likely why she came here asking for advice on what to remove from her pack, in order to lighten her load.

 

[peregrina2000]

Zpacks sub-nero 30L backpack (255 grams)

This thread has given the OP a lot of different opinions, so now it’s up to her to sort it out! I am not someone who cuts out labels or saws off toothbrushes, but I do like to keep the weight down. I haven’t read all of these posts carefully, but see that there are some strong opinions out there!

I will just say as a heads up for others — before you set out with one of these ultralight packs, make sure your back can tolerate it. For me, the frame of my pack, which transfers the weight to my hips, is the only way I can walk all day with a pack on my back. Even a 3 pound daypack will have me aching in a few hours.

 

[williamlittig]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

Pillows will be provided, Maybe a familiar pillow case / a 10oz rain jacket will not last 1 hr. / I hope the nylon shirts are a blend / Tea sandals are heavy(assuming you are not walking in them) / lacrosse balls are heavy / Use stick deodorant as foot goo(remove all of the plastic) / Bring a smile, always helpful / Ultreya!

 

[camino.ninja]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

1 pair of shorts (or two pairs and no pants), 2 pair of socks, no deodorant (BO should be reduced during the hike).

And I would add a windbreaker if you do not have a jacket.

 

[howardd5]

Try to get rid of the Rain-jacket and get 2 "single-use" superleightweight Ponchos instead (mine was 11gr.).
Get rid of the collapsible bottles and buy 0.5l Water in "single-use" bottles at your starting-point. Mine were good from SJPdP to SdC.
I don't think that you need a daypack, I had a bump-pack with all cards, camera, snacks, phone, power-bank, (and bottle-holders) that was just perfect for the CF (you aren't forced to get your b/p off to reach your money or cards), etc.
Replace the Shampoo and Conditioner with a small bar of Aleppo-Soap (or similar) in a zip-loc-pouch, you can use it to wash your clothes, too.

If you start from Pamplona, I recommend the Casa Paderborn. It should open on 1st of March.

Hope that I could help, enjoy your Camino!

Roland

Padrrborn is a great idea, I have stayed there four time , easy to find and near city center.

 

[cjward]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

My first Camino will begin this May. I’m not very beefy for a woman and I need a knee replacement. My “all in-pack like a tourist” weight was also 17#. If I want to walk far I better pack less. After dozens of evaluating, weighing each item, even my toothpicks, (in grams) I was able to get my pack (alone weighs 2.99 pounds), excluding 2# of water, down to 11#. My advice—it is not about what you need. Rather about what you DON’T need. Be honest with yourself when asking that question. I don’t need three shirts or a variety, two is enough. I dont need a comfy fleece jacket. Etc. I would rather buy there what I end up needing after all than packing and having to dump unnecessary weight along the way. Lots of sage advice out there. But 11 pounds I can carry! If you can’t give anything up, pack a lightweight duffle bag that you could send the heavier items you don’t need while hiking, ahead to your next stop. Remember: not what you need but what you don’t need!

 

[El Cascayal]

Congratulations, excellent starting points. I too have the Kyte 36 L and it fits me perfectly. Remember, you don’t have to fill it. I learned the hard way how important it is to have a woman specific pack. To me is more important than shaving a pound.
Most Albergues have disposable pillow cases and a lower fitted disposable sheet that you put on yourself. In June doing Sanabres & November 2021 doing Invierno, everywhere that I wound up there were blankets for use. So, I recommend ditching the pillow and the blanket. THIS ALONE FROM YOUR WEIGHT EQUALS 1.6 LBS LESS!!!
Consider an Osprey 1.5 L bladder, easy to fill and drink while you walk, can fill it to 1L to minimize weight. I also carry a 700 ml Life Wtr bottle on the side pocket, use it to drink when take pack off, & to refill bladder easily, doesn’t have to be full, it is water replacement when you note you may not be able to fill up when walking, and at night is handy to drink from at bedside.
Crocs flip flops are light and sturdy.
I also wear a Frogg Toggs rain hat. It is so light and sturdy. Mine has held up since May 2019.
Have fun trying stuff, all part of the Camino. Buen Camino.

 

[Anhalter]

While i am a strong advocate for light or ultralight camino packing, i would recommend to @BookGirl305 to not overthink things. When doin "only" a week the wear and tear from a slightly heavy pack will likely be neglectable. Less weight is always a good thing, but i would go and invest hundreds of €€€ into new gear to save weight.
If some new gear is to be bought, one could look at the following:
- Backpack is a thing where money can save you a lot of weight. I was on the camino with a 370g backpack and will be back with one weighing in at around 500g fully decked out (it's more comfortable to carry than the lighter one, so i happily sacrifice some weight)
- Same money for grams argument goes with the sleeping bag. Down sleeping bags can be ridiculously light and still offer sufficient warms for colder albergues (mine is at 240g)
- For pretty much everything clothing there are options that are cheap and light. I use a lot of Decathlon stuff since its easy to get here, but there might be other options depending on what part of the world you're in.
- and lastly, the best and cheapest weight saving is stuff you don't bring. If you pack something "just in case", you might as well leave it at home. If "just in case" actually happens, there's plenty of shops in Spain.

That said, i personally have a concept for a sub-2,5kg (baseweight) packing list, but for my taste that does not offer me enough options for a longer camino. I might use it one day for an shorter camino like Ingles or Portugues, but if everything turns out fine and i'll start another Frances this year i'l be packing something around 3,5kg on my shoulders and have all the comfort i feel i need.

edit: link to a post where i posted a screenshot of my current list:

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/my-first-packing-list-for-a-decade-and-not-pleased.72458/post-979857

 

[cbacino]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

Pillow: put your day clothes in a stuff sack
Water bottles: I never carried more than 1 liter of water
Travel shampoo & conditioner: just use a small piece of bar soap
Mini flashlight: use the light on your phone
Deodorant: does anyone really care?
Nylon gloves: if it gets cold (that time of year?) use an extra socks as mittens
Plastic fork: a spoon is more versatile
Day pack: ? Use a stuff sack if you need to haul food from a grocer, etc.
Hiking pants: use zip offs and omit a pair of shorts

That's just my two cents. Enjoy. : )

 

[Papadragons]

Lots of advice. This may be a repeat, but I use travel size toiletries. Smaller the better….and, yes, deodorant is appreciated by all. Minimal clothes, washing daily, with layering works well. What I will do coming up is bring one light-weight knee brace, as when I needed one in Spain, the pharmacies had relatively expensive and cheaply made braces, and bring two extra sets of reading glasses. I lost my only pair on a trail before a large town and couldn’t see the information on my phone to get around after coming into the area, even to find a pharmacy. When I was able to buy a pair, they were pricey and broke. I ended up buying three more pairs as every pair I bought broke.

 

[Robi Diaz De Vivar]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

That total weight seems spot on to me and the content perfect - in fact it would do if you were doing the whole Camino from St Jean to Santiago. It is now time to forget about it and concentrate on enjoying the experience to come. I don't know the Ingles but the 6 days out of Pamplona on the CF are magical.

 

[truthseeker]

Unless you check them, poles are not allowed on airplanes. You can buy cheap poles in SJPP. I bought one for about $10 my first day out and it lasted until I went home 39 days later (when I had to give it up at security before boarding the plane). You can stuff your extra clothes in a stuff sack to use as a pillow if needed, or roll up your fleece jacket. Sleep in a silk liner. Use a shirt to cover the albergue pillow. Extra-large safety pins to hang up wet clothes. I had a bum bag for valuables. Tevas and Keen sandals are very heavy: I took Croc Kadee Li sandals -- very light and feel great. Be sure to pack a hat and a scarf as sun protection.

 

[CA_Pilgrim]

I had to laugh reading many of the comments, not because they are bad suggestions, but because I've been struggling with getting my pack weight down too. I'm planning on the whole CF from SJPP to Finesterra over about 6-7 weeks.

I came to the conclusion to go in the opposite direction by adding weight in the form of a daypack and use a luggage transport service to send the bulk of my stuff forward to the next destination. That way, I only need to carry a 10 lb (at the very most) pack from day to day. Yes, it adds some cost (~5-10 Euro/day) but it saves my knees

For what it's worth, you list looks good. I would lose the pillow, lose the sandals, lose the flashlight (use your phone), lose the ball, and switch to a lightweight poncho (though 10 oz is very light for a rain jacket).

 

[trecile]

y stuff forward to the next destination. That way, I only need to carry a 10 lb (at the very most) pack from day to day. Yes, it adds some cost (~5-10 Euro/day) but it saves my knees

I can't imagine needing to carry more than about 5 lbs if having your main bag transported.

 

[nidarosa]

no deodorant (BO should be reduced during the hike)

Really? Not in my experience, it depends on the person and their choice of clothes/materials as well as general hygiene and laundry effort and frequency. If anything, bring a crystal type deo - has no smell of its own but prevents smells in sweaty areas. No one needs to carry a big heavy deodorant or spray the whole dorm with their favourite strong scent, but I for one appreciate a BO-free environment, especially when I sit down to eat.

 

[Aloha From Kauai]

Overall, I think your list looks good, and the layers are reasonable (i.e. not too many). The weight of 7.85 kg includes at least 1 kg of things you will be wearing.

We could argue about how many bandaids to carry, and the weight of a tennis ball compared to lacrosse. If that backpack fits you well, then I would not recommend changing it just to save a few ounces. I would not get rid of the rain jacket.

Overall I think your list shows that you have chosen with care, to suit your needs and preferences.

Somewhat separate question - How will you carry your phone and valuables?

I have had three ultralight packs I've been deciding between, got rid of one, trying to decide between last two. I pack each one and wear it for awhile listing to my body about where I'm feeling concerns about. I now am rethinking ultralight altogether. My packs are 2.5 lbs. I have to options here to buy a pack, so I may take one of these to California and hit REI for a last minute change. Or wait until I get there and buy a new one on the trail. I have no idea what the right decision is, but I know neither of my packs are "comfortable."

 

[CA_Pilgrim]

I can't imagine needing to carry more than about 5 lbs if having your main bag transported.

Includes the weight of 1 L of water, a rain poncho & stuff bag, a windbreaker jacket, all my medications, a first aid kit, 3 food bars, an extra pair of socks, an extra knitted hat for cold weather, a cell phone, and the weight of the day pack itself. Yes, 10 is probably an over estimate, but no way to get it down to 5. Either way, 5 or 10, it's still a manageable number that we don't need to quibble over.

 

[BookGirl305]

Aloha, I will say this- you know when you found a pack that fits. I am a middle aged fluffy woman with generous hips. I spent 2 hours in REI with a lady salesman my age who understood and I tried on just about every pack with her adjusting the harness part as needed. A lot of the packs that were internet recommended for someone my shape didn't fit as expected. And she told me the one I bought (Kyte 36) fit at about 95% and she really liked the fit of the 46 but felt as a newbie I'd try to fill it. 90% of the weight rests on my hips and I don't feel it. But, the pack changes my gait and I definitely walk slower. I'm struggling with not cinching all the straps down super tight. I've been practicing with a pack/contents weight of about 12.5 lbs, so similar to what I would like to take on the trail. (and someone is going to ask- pack. quilt, pillow, 2 4 lb bags of sugar each in a ziploc so the weight is solid)

 

[trecile]

But, the pack changes my gait and I definitely walk slower.

Are you using poles?

I'm struggling with not cinching all the straps down super tight

I'm not sure I understand - you're not able to cinch the down tightly, or you don't think that you should?

 

[C clearly]

I've never heard of anyone hiking, doing the Camino, or backpacking the globe saying 'Damn, I wish I brought more stuff'. I have heard nearly everyone on those trips saying 'I've brought waaaaaay to much stuff', and frequently.

You left out the many people who say (or think silently) "I took the right amount of stuff."

I cant seem to get a straight answer on the need for a sleeping bag, or if the hostels and refuges provide blankets.

There is no straight answer. It varies.

bedbug exposure will ruin it (it will need to be hot washed and dried out which takes time and care to not totally ruin the down).

The objective is to heat the bugs to kill them - not to drown them. Heat alone will work and will be much less damaging to down or fibres of any type. Nevertheless, I agree with your inclination to take the tougher sleeping bag instead, for only a few hundred grams extra.

I can't imagine needing to carry more than about 5 lbs if having your main bag transported.

I can easily imagine carrying 5 lbs on a day with unpredictable weather. However, you only need another 5-8 lbs or so to have everything, with no need to transport anything separately.

the pack changes my gait and I definitely walk slower. I'm struggling with not cinching all the straps down super tight.

I am built differently - with no discernable hips - so I need to cinch the hip belt quite tight in order to find the hip bone to transfer weight to! It does reduce my speed slightly, but in a very acceptable way. I cannot hurry and walk "fast" so easily but I can keep a good measured pace all day.

 

[good_old_shoes]

I've never heard of anyone hiking, doing the Camino, or backpacking the globe saying 'Damn, I wish I brought more stuff'. I have heard nearly everyone on those trips saying 'I've brought waaaaaay to much stuff', and frequently.

Hike your own hike, and travel however you want to, but IME, less is more.

I've certainly had moments when I wished I had brought more / heavier stuff. It was all part of finding out what I really need - finding a balance between packing too much (packing fears, too many luxuries) and packing too little (following the "lighter is always better" approach and ignoring my personal needs).

I don't think I'm the only one who had such moments. For example I can imagine that quite a few pilgrims travelling in april with just a silk liner instead of a sleeping bag wished they had brought something warmer (and heavier) once they realized that the albergue they ended up in doesn't provide blankets, heating is turned off at 10pm, and temperature outside is close to freezing... and then someone opens the window for fresh air! ;-)

 

[Lady M]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

Your packing list looks very good and I see that others have made excellent suggestions like leaving the flash light in favor of your phone light. I do have some packing suggestions. Everything in my pack got packed into a nylon stuffy sack so every evening I was able to take everything out and neatly repack in the morning. For medicines I bought 2x3 inch plastic bags ( a craft store will sell these). One baggies has one days meds. Then I made sure to have paper prescriptions in case anything gets lost. Finally I made a rule for myself that I wouldn’t pack anything “just in case”. You’re going to Spain, not being dropped in the middle of the Mojave desert. You will be able to buy bandaids wherever. Not to mention helpful pilgrims along the way. I saw a woman who hurt her knee and a complete pop-up pharmacy arrived in the guise of other pilgrims. Buen camino

 

[JRO]

These are the things I would jettison: pillow, collapsible water bottles (they suck. I would prefer just reusing a single use one or what I use are nalgene.), the daypack (unless sending backpack ahead), 1 pair of nylon shorts (no need for 2), tevas (Too heavy. Replace with flip flops that weigh nothing to wear in showers and around the albergue. Not sure why you bringing them, but on a six day Camino, I don’t think you need a back up pair of hiking shoes.), and the night gown.

Not sure what you mean by base layers. Usually that means long underwear. If you’re bringing that, then you can sleep in them if you’re resistant to sleeping in your hiking clothes, which is what I do. I shower in the afternoon, change into fresh clothes, wear them until the next day’s shower. I take the pants off at night, and I don’t wash them every day, just top, bra, undies. Also, if you’re bringing a long underwear top, maybe don’t need a long sleeve T-shirt.

Things I would add: a second bra because they get sweaty and I wash mine everyday. A fleece jacket or down or puffy vest or something to layer under your rain/wind jacket. That is a really important item/combo to have along. It can be chilly in late May/June, especially in the morning and evening. I know when I walked at that time, there were definitely mornings when I wore a long sleeve turtleneck base layer, a fleece and a gortex jacket, a headband-type hat, and gloves. And it wasn’t even raining. Most evenings I wore the fleece to dinner or while hanging out around the albergue. You definitely need a warmth layer.

Otherwise, it looks good.

Yes the Tevas are heavier, but at the end of a day of walking, I need something more supportive than a pair of flip flops or crocs; plus, if it's warm or I need to air out blisters, I can walk in Tevas for awhile.

 

[Caomhin O Fearghaill]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

Water weighs a lot.. a pint of water weighs roughly one pound....I buy what I need on route, avoiding the bother of carrying empty water bottles in my pack....also, I wash my clothes every few days which cuts down on wardrobe items...

 

[trecile]

I wash my clothes every few days which cuts down on wardrobe items...

Or you can wash your clothes every day. Then you only need two sets of clothes.

 

[Mike200559]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

Thanks for sharing ... a great list ... happy & safe travelling

 

[VNwalking]

You left out the many people who say (or think silently) "I took the right amount of stuff."

Over a number of caminos I've gotten to the point where I use everything I carry at least once, if not every day.

On a first camino that's harder to judge, of course. But if you haven't used something by the time you get to Pamplona, it's worth sending it ahead to Santiago, where Ivar can hold it for you until you arrive.

 

[Ctshagr]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

Hmm, since your walking the end of May I’d scrap the quilt, and pillow. Use a liner or a really light blanket. If your cold albergues and pensions have blankets you can use even pillows sometimes. also roll your clothes or jacket for a pillow. That saves you 1.5lbs and maybe the water bottles, for water buy a liter bottle of water and refill it as you go. Nylon pant with zip off legs don’t need the shorts. Gloves, dress, and fleece buff you don’t need unless the sticks bother your hands then something so light like a golf glove is fine. The temps will be in 70sF at least. Maybe pack should be no more than 14lbs. I walked the last 200 miles of the norte in March 2019 and carried 14.5lbs and going again this March trying to get it down to 13lbs. If your worried about cold you can take a couple of those body warmers that stick to your shirt. Oh the lacrosse ball can go use a stone discard and find new one next day.

 

[ktchnofdngr]

The only thing I would add is to switch to a shampoo bar rather than regular shampoo. I took an ethique shampoo bar with me last summer (gone about 7 weeks) to use as shampoo and soap. I still have a bit of bar left! I haven’t tried it, but ethique has a conditioner bar as well. I always use the washing machine, though, so I can’t speak to how it would stand up to use as laundry soap, too.

 

[Esperanza]

Here’s a few photos that I took on the CF in late May, the exact time frame that book girl will be walking. Zoom in to see what random people were wearing. There was a variety of weather, but it most definitely was not 70+ degrees and T-shirt weather every day, even in midday sunshine. I wore a fleece jacket every morning and evening, as did my warm-blooded husband. There is no way it was a luxury item. I would have been very chilly and miserable without it. In fact, I believe I would have had to buy one if I hadn’t brought mine from home. And, no, it was not period of abnormally cold weather. This was in 2015, and it was reportedly warmer and drier than normal at that time, and these photos are from lower elevations.

 

[Esperanza]

Yes the Tevas are heavier, but at the end of a day of walking, I need something more supportive than a pair of flip flops or crocs; plus, if it's warm or I need to air out blisters, I can walk in Tevas for awhile.

That to me seems like a rather heavy ‘just in case’ item, especially for a six day Camino. Personally, I wouldn’t bring them for such a short walk, but it is one of those cases where a longer Camino might justify more gear. As for evening footwear, my EVA Birkenstocks do duty in the shower and while lounging around the albergue. If I leave the albergue, I put on my hiking shoes/boots, which are nice and supportive.

 

[Natale]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

I think your backpack is to heavy. Unless you're going to have it transported from location to location. Just my opinion . Last year I walked the Camino frances and my backpack only weights 10lbs. Don't forget the ear plugs

 

[nidarosa]

If your cold albergues and pensions have blankets you can use

I see several people mentioning the blankets as if it is a good reason to leave behind a quilt or sleeping bag. First of all, you'll need something of your own as bedding, so a silk or cotton liner at the very least. Then you may need to add a blanket - but there might not be any. Some albergues have them, some don't. In some places they are nice, thick, heavy, *clean* woollen blankets, in some places they are ... not. There is a limit to how warm you will be under a synthetic blanket in a cold stone building. If you are walking in Galicia, ie the last 100+ kms, chances are there will be no blankets, as many removed them due to covid restrictions (they don't have the time/energy to clean and dry them every day). Also, some people are fine sleeping in a silk bag all night, some will be cold and uncomfortable and end up having a bad night's rest. If you sleep cold, bring a small, light sleeping bag to snuggle into at night. I went without a proper sleeping bag once, and wouldn't dream of doing it again.

 

[David Tallan]

I am back. Y'all are good!
There seems to be some common themes running through, so next weekend I'll pull those out and reweigh it and see.
I like the weight of Malifice's pack and nearly every item on it matches my AT hiker buddy's suggestions, but as a first timer, the price range for those things is past my budget- my $9.98 set of base layers from Lidl vs the $200 merino set from Smartwool. I started from scratch on this, but if I want to go back and do another section next year, I can upgrade one item at a time. I don't yet know whether this trip is going to scratch the itch or if it's an ongoing thing, so I didn't want to go crazy spending on gear I might only use once. Look at how much I bought and am (probably) leaving behind LOL. I paid retail for the first set of shoes, my pack, and for socks. After that? Academy, Amazon, Walmart, and eBay.

But seriously- the albergue and pension pillows are of a quality that I should leave mine behind? I just keep picturing all y'alls stories about stinky hikers and people who wear the same clothes day after day and don't wash their hair for 3 days (if that) and... this isn't the Hilton. Do those pillows have cases? Are they gross? because the hygiene of the people from the multiple nights before is questionable.

I think your decisions in the first paragraph are wise ones.

In terms of the second paragraph, I haven't had a real problem with albergue pillows (except for one recommended albergue that didn't provide any). In any case, my sleeping bag liner covered the pillow and provided a sheet layer between me and it. If you are really worried you can bring a pillow case, which is likely lighter than a pillow.

In general, one of the key differences between the Caminos and other long-distance hiking trails is that pilgrims do not generally wear the same clothes day after day and go for many days between showers. Yes, there are occasional exceptions. But the etiquette is to shower and wash your clothes as frequently as is called for for to meet the level of hygiene expected in society. We aren't sleeping in tents every night and only seeing towns once a week or so when we come in for supplies. We are in society every day. Showers and washing facilities are available every day and people are generally expected to use them.

 

[David Tallan]

Has anyone had any luck blanket-less?

It depends on when and where you walk. Within relatively recent memory, I walked the CF in July/Aug 2016 with just a sleeping bag liner and sometimes it seemed too much! I also walked the CP in October 2018 and didn't regret not having a sleeping bag or quilt. That said, if you are planning to walk in March and tend to like warm covers, a sleeping bag may be very useful.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

I always have walked mid-April to end of May in Spain and always have needed my lightweight, comfy sleeping bag. There are often chilly days and nights in spring.
A very cold day in Burgos on April 27th, 2017. I was wearing a poly t-shirt, my fleece quarter zip, and this puffy coat, hat and gloves.

 

[Vacajoe]

Truly depends on your personal physiology - my wife and I are EXTREMELY different in terms of being hot vs cold sleepers. There is no “correct” answer except what works best for you.

For instance, what is the best flavor of ice cream? You are all wrong unless you said “mint chip”…

 

[Stephan the Painter]

I am back. Y'all are good!
There seems to be some common themes running through, so next weekend I'll pull those out and reweigh it and see.

I think the day pack is nice in the evening if one wants to do a little food shopping. Or if you end up with time to do a little sightseeing. Or if you want transport your luggage for a day here and there. You said yours was 4 ounces. I have an ultralight osprey that was 3.2 ounces, and I love it. But It’s true, it’s a luxury and not a necessity.

And for sure the lighter you can go, the happier your body will be.

And it’s also true, you can always dump things, or if you want to keep them ship them ahead for later pick up. You can do that with the Spanish post office almost anywhere or Casa Ivar in Santiago.

 

[Suzanne H]

Welcome BookGirl305!
I tend to pack on the heavier side, so I 'get' your packing list. First, this Camino (at six days) is short so you can probably get away with leaving a few things behind. I was concerned about pillows before my first camino but I have exactly zero memories of complaint. I do tend to sleep cold so a blanket was necessary for me. I agree that Teva type sandals are heavy, so unless you plan to wear them as a second footwear option whilst walking, you might consider a lighter pair for the shower.

A few new ideas: I also carry a lacrosse ball and daypack. Some options for you: I just saw a thru-hiker on YuTube recommending a CORK ball just this week and they do sell them on Amazon--and they look like the right size. They may also be available at local craft stores. That would allow you to keep the ball and reduce the weight to almost zero. I also splurged on a Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil Travel Day Pack at REI. They pack down to a fist-size and can be used for any little thing, as needed. If these two items are important to you, these two ideas will allow you to keep them in your pack while keeping your weight down, quite considerably. I also carry my own water bottle--the weight is negligible so I opted to keep it.

I found that as I walked and began editing the items in my pack, it was less about the weight and more about wanting to keep with me only items that I used every day (+ weather gear, safety items). Toiletries are an area I try to edit the most.

Have a great trip ~ you sound prepared, and mentally/physically ready. Everything else is secondary!
Buen Camino~!!

 

[trecile]

A few new ideas: I also carry a lacrosse ball and daypack.

I carry this massage ball from Decathlon



It weighs less than half the weight of a lacrosse ball, which according to this article weighs between 5 ounces and 5.25 ounces.

 

[ken2116]

just weighed my all in, everything I think I need backpack and it came in at 7.85kg/17.2#. All opinions welcome. Picture below.
I am a first time walker, walking May 29-June 3, travel days on either side. I will either be walking 6 days on the CF starting in Pamplona or 6 days Ingles, depending on my ability level closer to the trip (I walk 3/km an hour with my pack and can only do 15-20km a day at the moment and still be a pleasant person). I am open to private or albergue but would like to try an albergue at least once. I have purchased the lightest weight gear I can afford at this time, so new gear isn't an option unless it can be replaced for $20 or less.
(All clothing choices are in the backpack weight, so a small bit will come off but not enough to move the needle.)
Row 1: Osprey Kyte 36 pack (3#), poles (Walmart), quilt (16oz), memory foam pillow (9oz)- note- I tried the inflatables first and they sucked
Row 2: contacts, glasses, hearing aid charger, prescription meds- necessary
Row 3: rain jacket (10oz), sun hat, 2 collapsible water bottles (4 oz total), daypack (4 oz), 3 nylon shirts- 2 short, 1 long sleeve
Row 4: nylon hiking pants, 2 nylon shorts, 2 pairs undies, 1 bra, 3 pairs socks and 1 liner, teva sandals
Row 5: travel toothbrush and mini toothpaste (airline amenity kit, super light), travel shampoo and conditioner (doubles as soap and laundry), sewing kit mimicking a first aid kit (don't have yet), power bank mimicking my phone (had to take the picture), phone cord, USB plug mimicking the travel adapter (haven't bought yet), mini flashlight, car sham mimicking a towel (haven't bought yet), foot goo, KT tape, conditioner mimicking sunscreen (haven't bought yet), tissues/TP, chapstick
Row 6: lacrosse ball, comb and hairbands, deodorant (will get a smaller one), eye mask and ear plugs, base layers (only warm thing I packed), fleece buff, nylon gloves, plastic fork, nylon dress for night
Thanks for the help!

You've already done a good job. You might consider substituting clothing you're not wearing at night for the pillow, saving 9oz, this is what we do while backpacking. Can you eliminate 1 shirt, that might be another 8-10oz?
"Warmlite" https://www.warmlite.com/product/rain-jacket/ offers a ~ 5oz rain jacket and 8-9 oz ponchos of silicone infused nylon - they exceed your budget but are very simple designs and could be duplicated if you have access to a sewing machine.
If you find you need something additional, you probably can pick it up along the way.

Have a good trip.

 

[trecile]

Can you eliminate 1 shirt, that might be another 8-10oz?
"Warmlite" https://www.warmlite.com/product/rain-jacket/ offers a ~ 5oz rain jacket and 8-9 oz ponchos of silicone infused nylon - they exceed your budget but are very simple designs and could be duplicated if you have access to a sewing machine.

Check out this thread that I started about my homemade "parcho," which is super lightweight.

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/the-parcho-rain-gear-for-diyers.72016/

 

[trecile]

Montbell has some super lightweight shoulder bags for taking your things into the shower, and shopping in the afternoons. Or, if you are already going to make a Parcho you can make your own like I do.

This style has a zipper (1.4 oz/40 gm)

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This style is bigger, but no zipper (1.7 oz/49 gm)

U.L. MONO Bag L (Closeout)

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[Esperanza]

One other thought, coming at this question of how to make your pack lighter from a completely different direction.

You can make your pack easier to carry by getting stronger, and practice walking with a loaded pack is not the most effective or quickest way to do that. Such walks will give you helpful information about how your pack and other equipment will work for you, and is a very important part of preparation that should not be skipped. However there is a better way to prepare your body to carry your pack.

Many people who have completed a Camino report that at some point they “lost” the pack weight, meaning that the burden of carrying it was no longer noticeable because they had become more fit as they walked along. But that seems to happen after weeks of carrying it 5-6 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week. Most people don’t have the time for that kind of pre-Camino prep, and it isn’t necessary. If a person does some simple body weight exercises (aka calisthenics) for 20 minutes, 2 or 3 times a week, for 2 or 3 months, they probably can effect the same change and fit it into their schedule pretty easily. A simple workout of squats, lunges, calf raises, push ups and planks is really all that is needed.

I started a body weight routine last spring, and last summer when I was doing long day hikes in steep mountains with an 8 pound daypack (with no hip belt, so the weight was all hanging off my shoulders ), those workouts made a huge difference. I barely felt the pack.

 

[Esperanza]

Montbell has some super lightweight shoulder bags for taking your things into the shower, and shopping in the afternoons. Or, if you are already going to make a Parcho you can make your own like I do.

I have these bags and have found them handy for all sorts of things. I will bring a few to organize my pack, dirty laundry, shopping or being a tourist on days off.

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