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Spain's new law (Royal Decree 933/2021) - re personal information at lodging

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I wonder how many other people (besides me) are giving second thoughts to walking the Camino in Spain because of all the new information needed to submit under the new law for entry that became effective Dec 2?
 
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I am not sure why you would hesitate coming? What information are you concerned about giving them. If you use a company like booking.com they will provide most of that information as understand it? .
I do use Booking.com and I know they have my CC info and also when arrive at the places I stay, they make copies of my Passport, but it seems that this new law is asking for much more. Am I mistaken and perhaps a bit intimidated by this new law?
 
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Suggest you go with your camino plans, and not be too concerned about your data. I would be proactive about monitoring your credit reports periodically. And I always ask my CC companys for new cards after using the on an international trip. I tend to stay at hotels or private places and they take most of this data anyway.
 
Suggest you go with your camino plans, and not be too concerned about your data. I would be proactive about monitoring your credit reports periodically. And I always ask my CC companys for new cards after using the on an international trip. I tend to stay at hotels or private places and they take most of this data anyway.
Seriously - you swap any credit card you’ve used on an international trip?

Why?
 
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I’ll bang on on this until I get bored. Then I’ll stop.
You use the internet; you have a mobile phone; you use banks and credit cards; you use tap&go; you use Farcebook, Berking.con, Instagrab, you pay local property taxes, are a library card holder…

Your personal and private data is already available to anyone that wants it bad enough to put the effort into collating it.

You’ve probably already published your favourite coffee bar / restaurant / pub. You’ll have put up a dozen pictures of your so kidnappable pet, or worse, your children. You’ll have raised your health concerns that any insurer can find with a simple search when they seek to refuse a claim. Anyone who has watched a movie with Tom Cruise in it knows how easy it is, unless, of course, they thought it was just a movie. And, of course, your streaming provider knows exactly what movies you like to watch and can feed your needs even when you didn’t know you had them.

And, please remember that just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you 😉
 
I'm with @Tincatinker, @Marbe2 and @henrythedog on this. It doesn't seem to me to be a good reason not to travel to Spain. Someone more knowledgeable about EU data protection laws might explain what protection they give. Any collection tools will have to comply with those, and any additional protections included in the law. It appears that these are pretty strong protections, certainly more robust than many places outside of the EU.
 
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I'm not concerned. One of my CCs is from Wise, so I get a notification on my phone app every time money goes in or out. I'd freeze the card quickly if there were transactions happening that shouldn't be. I normally travel with a 3 different CCs and enough cash - just in case. The same cards have been re-used for travel, I've never had any incidents.

As for identity fraud, the best way to minimise that is to avoid social media 🤷‍♂️

I've seen users on here post images that include their passport numbers, full names and addresses 😲. I would implore users to espcially avoid doing that on public Facebook posts.
 
Suggest you go with your camino plans, and not be too concerned about your data. I would be proactive about monitoring your credit reports periodically. And I always ask my CC companys for new cards after using the on an international trip. I tend to stay at hotels or private places and they take most of this data anyway.

I've never asked my Bank for 'new' cards, but I tend to take 2-3 just in case of problems.
I have to say the fraud protection by the banks we use here in Australia is really good in our experience at least.

I even had a call that went..........

Bank. Are you in Manila?
Me. No.
Bank. So you didn't just buy a diamond ring valued at $5.000?
Me. No!
Bank. Don't worry, we didn't approve the transaction, as it was did not fit your normal spending profile.

I now also tell my bank of my travel plans. with dates and countries.

One lesson I learned last year though.

How do you contact your bank when overseas?
And how do you 'approve' payments that they might hold until you confirm they are legit.

I had my phone set to SMS messaging for such things.
Of course with a Spanish SIM card this didn't work.
(though I had my home SIM with me, just not in the phone)
So on calling the bank, they switched the approval process for me.
I can now do it through the phone app.
 
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I wonder how many other people (besides me) are giving second thoughts to walking the Camino in Spain because of all the new information needed to submit under the new law for entry that became effective Dec 2?
Doesn't worry me.
I'm sure booking dot com, Amazon and half a dozen others already have more information on me.
 
I wonder how many other people (besides me) are giving second thoughts to walking the Camino in Spain because of all the new information needed to submit under the new law for entry that became effective Dec 2?

I think you'll be staying home alot as what's now in place in Spain is in place pretty much everywhere, if you're not confining yourself to free-camping or couch-surfing at friends' places. It's not a big deal. And as @Tincatinker so brilliantly put it, your stuff is already out there.....everywhere. Just keep enjoying your life and your travels....and many more Buen Caminos!
 
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The security offered by the newer tap and go credit cards is only as good as the distance you are standing away from the scanner you about to use. User beware.
The main layer of security with these cards is that there's typically a fairly low limit to how much you (or someone else) can use them that way before needing to physically slot the card and punch in your PIN.

More importantly, take care to always eyeball what they're asking before -- as even in trustworthy locations, such as a local shop where you live, simple mistakes can be made by cash register employees. In Touristlandia, more careful eyeballing will help prevent attempts at some more deliberate fraud, especially I'd say on some Italian Cammino Ways.
 
Many countries have similiar measures, e.g., UK.

I'm more concerned about how the data collectors, government departments, albergues, booking dot com, etc., secure the data kept in their systems, which contain information that can be used for identity theft.
 
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I'm more concerned about how the data collectors, government departments, albergues, booking dot com, etc., secure the data kept in their systems, which contain information that can be used for identity theft.
As a retired Head of Governance of a large government department I can answer that with some authority. Badly.
 
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I’ll bang on on this until I get bored. Then I’ll stop.
You use the internet; you have a mobile phone; you use banks and credit cards; you use tap&go; you use Farcebook, Berking.con, Instagrab, you pay local property taxes, are a library card holder…

Your personal and private data is already available to anyone that wants it bad enough to put the effort into collating it.

You’ve probably already published your favourite coffee bar / restaurant / pub. You’ll have put up a dozen pictures of your so kidnappable pet, or worse, your children. You’ll have raised your health concerns that any insurer can find with a simple search when they seek to refuse a claim. Anyone who has watched a movie with Tom Cruise in it knows how easy it is, unless, of course, they thought it was just a movie. And, of course, your streaming provider knows exactly what movies you like to watch and can feed your needs even when you didn’t know you had them.

And, please remember that just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you 😉
I work IT for a living. and agreed with all of the above. consider this. I use Alexa across my house, for ease of lights, stereo, etc... i can sit and chat with a friend about a certain subject, say scuba diving, and mention a few places. suddenly? my iPhone starts getting its web browser full of scuba trips to XXXX place... my google news feed suddenly does the same. so yes, they do listen. and usually? just to sell you something. but if a nefarious group with resources focuses on you? you are going to have a bad day. your data is already there, and most of it readily available. if you want an example, go to a site called "fast people search" the amount of data you can get from just knowing a name and a state? is unnerving. So do consider what you post on the internet....
 
I’m notoriously dim.

Could you explain further Don as I (and perhaps only I) don’t understand.
a nefarious person can intercept those wireless signals going from credit card to reader. I recommend you use the chip reader instead of the swipe. it is very unlikely that you will run into someone with that kind of technology walking the Camino, but? it only takes once to have a bad day.
 
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I wonder how many other people (besides me) are giving second thoughts to walking the Camino in Spain because of all the new information needed to submit under the new law for entry that became effective Dec 2?
Nah... adventure waits... and I cannot resist the call!!! lol... no, I gave up on worrying about my data being available. there are enough security measures in place that I won't lose much if anything, but the banks will. and I don't think I will shed a single tear for the banks losing money if they cannot keep our data secure... lol
 
a nefarious person can intercept those wireless signals going from credit card to reader. I recommend you use the chip reader instead of the swipe. it is very unlikely that you will run into someone with that kind of technology walking the Camino, but? it only takes once to have a bad day.
Henry, I think this sums it up well. I had a newer card on a recent trip and used it to purchase meals, etc., If it is anywhere near the card reader it instantly records the sale and extracts your funds. It is quite a worry because in one case I got my wallet out to pay cash and before I could pull the notes out it was already reading my card information which in my wallet near the notes.
 
a nefarious person can intercept those wireless signals going from credit card to reader. I recommend you use the chip reader instead of the swipe. it is very unlikely that you will run into someone with that kind of technology walking the Camino, but? it only takes once to have a bad day.

It’s only been seven years; but you may well get to nominate a charity to receive my long-offered £50 donation in your name.

All it takes is a link to a credible (investigated by the cops and found true) report of anyone outside laboratory conditions committing a crime by remotely accessing the chip on a credit card.

All I’ve ever seen are adverts for (IMHO) utterly pointless RFID wallets and stories from the friend of someone’s hairdressers cousin.

Post a link and your nominated charity. I’ll post the receipt.
 
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Henry, I think this sums it up well. I had a newer card on a recent trip and used it to purchase meals, etc., If it is anywhere near the card reader it instantly records the sale and extracts your funds. It is quite a worry because in one case I got my wallet out to pay cash and before I could pull the notes out it was already reading my card information which in my wallet near the notes.
Fair point - that is feasible. I have heard anecdotes of people using cards to tap into and out of e.g. subway stations having issues if they have more than one card in their wallet - but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything definitive.
 
It’s only been seven years; but you may well get to nominate a charity to receive my long-offered £50 donation in your name.

All it takes is a link to a credible (investigated by the cops and found true) report of anyone outside laboratory conditions committing a crime by remotely accessing the chip on a credit card.

All I’ve ever seen are adverts for (IMHO) utterly pointless RFID wallets and stories from the friend of someone’s hairdressers cousin.

Post a link and your nominated charity. I’ll post the receipt.
Agreed, likelihood is at about zero. note I don't use RFID blockers, etc... usually the skim is from a device implanted on say the ATM. and unless you have the tech to unencrypt it? good luck using it. however have heard of some establishments not having encryption enabled on their readers. not sure that is even possible anymore.
 
I wonder how many other people (besides me) are giving second thoughts to walking the Camino in Spain because of all the new information needed to submit under the new law for entry that became effective Dec 2?
I wonder how many other people (besides me) are giving second thoughts to walking the Camino in Spain because of all the new information needed to submit under the new law for entry that became effective Dec 2?
Do you go out for dinner in the States and when they bring your check you hand the waitress your credit card? That doesn't scare you? In Spain your credit card never leaves your sight or hand.
 
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Henry, I think this sums it up well. I had a newer card on a recent trip and used it to purchase meals, etc., If it is anywhere near the card reader it instantly records the sale and extracts your funds. It is quite a worry because in one case I got my wallet out to pay cash and before I could pull the notes out it was already reading my card information which in my wallet near the notes.
I had coffee at a major coffee chain with a friend here in Calgary which I paid for with a credit card, then went for a window-shopping stroll past numerous stores and small businesses. By the time I got home less than an hour later and checked my CC account online, I had magically purchased $600 of advertising on g**gle, and $2,000 worth of cigars from Mauritius. Just as I was about to call my bank, the phone rang. It was the bank's security department checking with me on these purchases. Ever since then (ca. 2014) I have used RFID sleeve for my credit cards, and never had another issue. I try to use cash when on the Camino for most things including meals and accommodation, except of course rooms booked on-line. ;)
 
As a retired Head of Governance of a large government department I can answer that with some authority. Badly.
My daughter works in information management at a local authority and she spends half her time managing data breaches. It's amazing how stupid people can be.

At some point in the future, there will be a massive data hack and loads of sensitive data will get captured. Then the powers that be might reconsider a few things.
 
My daughter works in information management at a local authority and she spends half her time managing data breeches. It's amazing how stupid people can be.
Does she wear the pants in her house as well?
At some point in the future, there will be a massive data hack and loads of sensitive data will get captured. Then the powers that be might reconsider a few things.
That's almost like forecasting that the sun will rise in the morning. It happens regularly enough now because there is money to be made one way or another from having access to governments', businesses' and individuals' private and sensitive information. I'm not sure what you think needs to be reconsidered here, but I suspect those involved in this, like your daughter, work pretty hard at getting it right, and doing it better when breaches do occur.
 
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Agreed, likelihood is at about zero. note I don't use RFID blockers, etc... usually the skim is from a device implanted on say the ATM. and unless you have the tech to unencrypt it? good luck using it. however have heard of some establishments not having encryption enabled on their readers. not sure that is even possible anymore.
I got skimmed by precisely that 20 years ago when these things were in their infancy. A dummy card-reader and camera on an ATM, so it captured my PIN also. My bank were sceptical for about 24 hours until many other reports were made - all of which had used the compromised ATM. Since then - whilst I still rail against RFID wallets; I do have a good look at ATMs and, to the extent that I can conceal the keypad whilst entering my PIN.
 

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