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Thanks for responding, it irritates through clothing too, very annoying.HI, fellow Aussie!
I'm allergic to a lot of rubbery/latex/plastic materials, so some backpacks can cause huge rashes and even wounds on my skin. Of course I do not use any that i identify as 'dangerous' for me.
But for the normal ones, first I re-check the fitting to see if anything is too tight, or sliding because it is too loose. Where are the rashes? on the shoulders?
Usually I never let the straps touch directly on my skin, but over the tshirt. Sheepskin, microfiber and other very gentle materials can reduce the rubbing and irritation. Have you tried just putting a layer of a gentle fabric between the strap and the skin to see what happens?
it irritates through clothing too
Yeah it does, I have a day pack that does the same.Sounds awful, does it happen even if you change the fitting?
Dave, with my own similar problem I've never known what causes the irritation/itching. I've used an Osprey Atmos 25 and now own an Osprey Sirrus women's 34L, and have the same issue with both. The problem lessens or goes away after about a week and wonder if my skin "toughens up"?Hi, Unie..
Do the straps rub creating friction? Or do they retain a lot of heat and moisture due to lack of airflow?
Dave, with my own similar problem I've never known what causes the irritation/itching. I've used an Osprey Atmos 25 and now own an Osprey Sirrus women's 34L, and have the same issue with both. The problem lessens or goes away after about a week and wonder if my skin "toughens up"?
Not due to rubbing, it happens within a short time (less than an hour) of carrying the pack. I think it’s the material but perhaps it has to do with lack of airflow and moisture.Hi, Unie..
Do the straps rub creating friction? Or do they retain a lot of heat and moisture due to lack of airflow?
Thanks Gerard.I bought a pair of sheepskin innersoles.
Had my tailor lady trim them, then sew them to my straps.
Regards
Gerard
Thanks so much for taking the trouble to help, I’m going to give everything a go.Check your shoulder straps are adjusted properly and that your torso harness is correctly sized and adjusted. If everything is properly adjusted and you still have irritation, here is something that I have used to help others:
Materials needed:
4 - kitchen sponges
2 - small microfiber dish / face towels
4 - largish rubber bands
Duck tape
Take two sponges, wrap them in one towel. Use duck tape to hold the towel closed. You now have one shoulder pad.
Unfasten the shoulder strap. Using two rubber bands, fasten the pad to the underside of the shoulder strap. Refasten the shoulder strap.
Repeat for the other side.
This adds cushioning and takes up excess ‘air space’ if you need to customize your backpack’s fit. I have made these pads several times along the Camino for others who needed it.
The components are readily available in tiendad or supermercados. You should be carrying duck tape and rubber bands as general use and repair items anyway.
Hope this helps.
I’m going to experiment with everything and I couldn’t care less how I look, thanks Rebekah.Gold Bond or Ammen´s medicated powder against your skin. And stuff a washing-up sponge between the strap and where it rubs. It looks kind of strange, but no one´s going to say so! Also, try redistributing the weight in your pack, to take the stress off that point.
I use similar sheepskin seat belt pads which I purchased from a local auto parts store.I always have an irritation/itching where my backpack straps start curving before the underarm area. It usually subsides after about a week on the trail. It is not a rash. I had purchased an Osprey women's specific pack, but that didn't help. I recently purchased these from Amazon as a recommendation on the forum and will be anxious to see if they help. I may cut them down a bit. Sorry, I don'tknow how to send the link, but here is a screenshot I took.
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They are expensive, but I prefer Merino Wool 'T' shirts over cotton, I stink less when sweating and they dry quick. If they get wet from sweat they will still keep you warm. I carry I long sleeve and I short sleeve on my hiking or walking adventures. One to wear one to carry.Great advise to think about, David, and I will consider trying a cotton t-shirt at home in training to see if it helps. I hope it's not going to be my problem as it weighs more and takes longer to dry although I prefer its cozy feel...But no deodorant? How will I make any new friends? Lol!
I usually am allergic to wool so always avoid it, but I do read merino is much softer and less stinky. I should probably give it a try, especially if I eliminate deodorant as David suggested.They are expensive, but I prefer Merino Wool 'T' shirts over cotton, I stink less when sweating and they dry quick. If they get wet from sweat they will still keep you warm. I carry I long sleeve and I short sleeve on my hiking or walking adventures. One to wear one to carry.
Shhh, don't tell anyone, but I usually skip the deodorant on the Camino. And I only wear merino wool, which truly doesn't get stinky.Great advise to think about, David, and I will consider trying a cotton t-shirt at home in training to see if it helps. I hope it's not going to be my problem as it weighs more and takes longer to dry although I prefer its cozy feel...But no deodorant? How will I make any new friends? Lol!
How horrid. I think you have to look at three things here.
The first is fitting the pack properly. The shoulder straps shouldn't really be rubbing at all - if the load is properly cinched tight across the top of your hip bones then there should be no strain at all at shoulders. Unless the pack is too short - is it measured for you? Or too heavy, where the tendency then is to cinch it tight down onto the shoulders - an error.
But I also agree with comments above - soft pad those straps!
2. You are concentrating on the itchiness and rash coming from the pack whereas the pack doesn't actually touch your skin. I have seen this before with people who wear synthetic under garments such as 'tech' T shirts as the warmth and so called 'wicking' properties can cause skin problems. Try going for pure cotton or preferably Merino wool instead. I won't wear synthetics - think about it, have you noticed how quickly they start to stink? Ok, then think about your poor skin underneath!
3. Itchiness and rashes are not caused just by rubbing, they are caused by microbes on the skin in a sweaty area that thrive and cause itchiness and rashes - think of prickly heat - this is always to do with the skin being dirty. Sure - you showered, sure you keep clean - but a warm enclosed space on the body - under straps, under arms, groin areas, under socks .. is a perfect Petrie dish and those microbes thrive and the body does its best to fight them - hence irritation and rashes.
So keep those areas scrupulously clean, wash regularly in soapy water, put a good 'skin-kind' cream on top, Calendula cream is good, and the type made for nappy (diaper) rash, such as E45, are brilliant.
Also, never ever use a shower gel nor deodorants - almost impossible to really rinse off a shower gel, it sticks! and the chemicals in both are terrible!! - and, as well, be equally careful with the clothes that rest against the skin - so be aware of what laundry detergent is used, always use one that is specifically skin friendly.
Hope this helps.
A great help David, thanks for taking the trouble. I only use quick drying clothing for travelling so perhaps that is a contributing factor indeed. I’m careful with lotions and potions and make a lot of my own. I haven’t honestly worn a lot of merino clothing apart from socks and would appreciate recommendations for female tops / shirts available in AustraliaHow horrid. I think you have to look at three things here.
The first is fitting the pack properly. The shoulder straps shouldn't really be rubbing at all - if the load is properly cinched tight across the top of your hip bones then there should be no strain at all at shoulders. Unless the pack is too short - is it measured for you? Or too heavy, where the tendency then is to cinch it tight down onto the shoulders - an error.
But I also agree with comments above - soft pad those straps!
2. You are concentrating on the itchiness and rash coming from the pack whereas the pack doesn't actually touch your skin. I have seen this before with people who wear synthetic under garments such as 'tech' T shirts as the warmth and so called 'wicking' properties can cause skin problems. Try going for pure cotton or preferably Merino wool instead. I won't wear synthetics - think about it, have you noticed how quickly they start to stink? Ok, then think about your poor skin underneath!
3. Itchiness and rashes are not caused just by rubbing, they are caused by microbes on the skin in a sweaty area that thrive and cause itchiness and rashes - think of prickly heat - this is always to do with the skin being dirty. Sure - you showered, sure you keep clean - but a warm enclosed space on the body - under straps, under arms, groin areas, under socks .. is a perfect Petrie dish and those microbes thrive and the body does its best to fight them - hence irritation and rashes.
So keep those areas scrupulously clean, wash regularly in soapy water, put a good 'skin-kind' cream on top, Calendula cream is good, and the type made for nappy (diaper) rash, such as E45, are brilliant.
Also, never ever use a shower gel nor deodorants - almost impossible to really rinse off a shower gel, it sticks! and the chemicals in both are terrible!! - and, as well, be equally careful with the clothes that rest against the skin - so be aware of what laundry detergent is used, always use one that is specifically skin friendly.
Hope this helps.
Haha Camino Chris, have you tried the deodorant crystal, it kills off the bacteria that causes the smell. You can sweat away but not smell.Great advise to think about, David, and I will consider trying a cotton t-shirt at home in training to see if it helps. I hope it's not going to be my problem as it weighs more and takes longer to dry although I prefer its cozy feel...But no deodorant? How will I make any new friends? Lol!
Jim, I’ll definitely try them too and take a look at my shirt fabric as David suggested.I use similar sheepskin seat belt pads which I purchased from a local auto parts store.
Will do, thank you.If you're not already, use a hypoallergenic laundry soap in case the combination of an allergen in your regular soap plus friction/pressure is the cause of your irritation.
The very reason I stopped using deodorants and anti perspirants about 30+ years ago. I now make a lot of my own brews...think witch without a broom!I suppose that I am well out of the central box we are supposed to live in .. I make all sorts of connections that aren't mentioned elsewhere but they worry me - well, concern me. Par ex: under-arm deodorants are mainly aluminium in some form ... under the arms the lymph glands are close to the surface ... the lymph glands up there connect directly to the breasts .. breast cancer has always happened but it was once very rare, but now it is wildly rampant, and those now with breast cancer tend to have high aluminium content - no one has mentioned a connection here but it concerns me as breast cancer is a modern epidemic - ghastly and terrifying for women, an appalling thing, and I do not make light of it, but now even men get it. Is there a connection? I don't know, but I do know that adding aluminium and strong chemicals directly to the lymph glands for possibly thirty, forty, or fifty years is not a healthy thing to do.
The skin is a living organ, the largest on the human body, and it is naturally covered in beneficial bacteria - if you looked at it under a microscope it is a wild forest there, on the surface. It was designed, it evolved, to protect us from invasion, and it works well doing that - except! in the last few decades it has become habitual to attack it daily or even twice daily with chemicals .. people shower even two times a day, stripping off the beneficial bacterial defense and leaving it wide open and vulnerable and also leaving it covered in an artificial chemical residue from the cheap artificial shower gels and bath bubble soaps that they use .. this is not a good thing, this is not a good thing at all!
I never bath, and shower perhaps once a month, or two months. I daily flannel wash smelly areas with warm natural soapy water and use no chemicals on my body - I want to allow my skin organ to protect me, as it is designed to do - allied with this I never wear synthetic unnatural clothing, only natural fibres; cotton, wool, and silk .... I may seem like a complete idiot, but would suggest that you - whomever you are reading this - go past this consumer fear advertisement and consumer company led propaganda about over-washing and 'smelling good' all the time and do some Google searching ........ for our own health we have to take control of our own bodies, and base that action upon how they have successfully developed over the last three or four million years ........ apart from anything else, a clean body that sweats (if one eats healthy food) smells quite lovely when it sweats - it is only old stale sweat, and an unhealthy diet, that makes it smells horrid.
and if you must use a deodorant then, as mentioned above by Unie, Crystal Deodorant is the way to go.
My point of view ..... but, think on ...... you could start researching here - https://www.lifehack.org/355349/science-suggests-you-should-abandon-the-habit-showering-every-day
Gee that sounds so simple and we’ll worth a try, thank youI used the sheepskin seatbelt covers as mentioned above, on the underarm part of my shoulder strap, because it was causing rubbing. They worked perfectly and my Aarn backpack was otherwise perfect!
You are seriously an ideas man Charles!Try feminine hygeine maxi pads , the self adhesive sorts with wings. Placed on the straps and over the most irritated area of the shoulder blades. They absorb moisture , are sterile and have anti bacterial properties as well as significant padding . If attached neatly they are discrete and almost indistinguishable from the harness itself . Just don't use the 'G string ' sort .
Best of all they are cheap and easily replaced when worn or grubby.
Unreal, what a great idea, thank you.I often use a pair of old woollen socks cut out the toe area. Thread socks through the shoulder strap on pack then fold the sock at least three times into a neat pad and slide down to where the pack is rubbing on the shoulders. With me it's the collarbone as I have very narrow shoulder blades.
Thanks Robo, I’ll test it out when I put weight in it and adjust it properly. I used a light day pack in Europe last year with the same strap material and it drove me crazy so I’m getting prepared in advance. I’m a precious and delicate wee soul....Interesting thread, and it got me thinking about why my own pack is so comfortable.
The shoulder straps barely touch my skin.
Is the pack adjusted correctly?
All the weight should be on the hip belt.
The shoulder straps merely stop the pack falling off your back, backwards.....
There is no weight on them at all. I can slide my fingers under mine, there is clear air under them.
The sternum strap tends to be tighter.........
Just a thought.
breast cancer has always happened but it was once very rare, but now it is wildly rampant
Can you provide some authoritative references that support either of these statements?those now with breast cancer tend to have high aluminium content
These ideas about deodorants and breast cancer have been around for years, but have largely been disproven. https://breastcancernow.org/about-b...st-cancer/myths-about-causes-of-breast-cancerCan you provide to some authoritative references that support either of these statements?
Absolutely but when you get a few scares you do what’s best for you, I chose to avoid chemicals where I could, each to their own.These ideas about deodorants and breast cancer have been around for years, but have largely been disproven. https://breastcancernow.org/about-b...st-cancer/myths-about-causes-of-breast-cancer
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/antiperspirants-and-breast-cancer-risk.html
Absolutely! The challenge is to sort out the facts (i.e. the best knowledge that the real experts can agree on) from the random rumoured fears that lurk everywhere, including on this thread! That is why I asked for the source of the "information." I don't think we should be spreading rumours and unsupported fears here.when you get a few scares you do what’s best for you,
It was suggested to me to go to an autoshop that sells car supplies and buy those sheepskin seatbelt covers. I haven't tried it but it sounds like it might work!The shoulder strap material causes me irritation and rash, I considered having sheep skin covers made but wondered does anyone else with the same problem have any other suggestions.
Interesting thread, and it got me thinking about why my own pack is so comfortable.
The shoulder straps barely touch my skin.
Is the pack adjusted correctly?
All the weight should be on the hip belt.
The shoulder straps merely stop the pack falling off your back, backwards.....
There is no weight on them at all. I can slide my fingers under mine, there is clear air under them.
The sternum strap tends to be tighter.........
Just a thought.
Hi Unie try looking in your local Reject Store. That's where I bought mine from and I'm in Sydney. Very comfortable.That’s what I was thinking about having made, I used to have them for a seatbelt in a car I used to have but can’t find them now. It may be cheaper and easier to order them. Thanks for that info.
I purchased an Osprey Aura and didn’t give much thought to the problem I had with my day pack...silly me.
Thanks again.
Hi. I can sympathize. For all my backpacks other than the lightest most minimal tiny ones I have made covers out of microfiber towels. They are essentially tunnels that slip over the opened straps, somewhat covering the buckles as well since I find they irritate as well. They can be removed easily for washing and dry quickly. I have also sewn small mesh pockets on them for my cell phone, etc. I’m sure thicker ones may be more comfortable but these seem more than adequate. My shoulders are pretty bony, and I hike in tank tops all the time. Hope this helps - CherryThe shoulder strap material causes me irritation and rash, I considered having sheep skin covers made but wondered does anyone else with the same problem have any other suggestions.
That’s a brilliant idea thank you, I actually purchased two sheepskin thingys on Friday, the lady there says it’s a common problem and she sells them all the time for backpacks...so we aren’t the only ones suffering cherrys! My irrigation occurs near the armpit area so hopefully this works, they feel glorious.Hi. I can sympathize. For all my backpacks other than the lightest most minimal tiny ones I have made covers out of microfiber towels. They are essentially tunnels that slip over the opened straps, somewhat covering the buckles as well since I find they irritate as well. They can be removed easily for washing and dry quickly. I have also sewn small mesh pockets on them for my cell phone, etc. I’m sure thicker ones may be more comfortable but these seem more than adequate. My shoulders are pretty bony, and I hike in tank tops all the time. Hope this helps - Cherry