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I'm no artist, but it sure looks like one to me!Would this also be a Peto de Animas? These are right on the Camino Frances in Santiago at the Capilla de Animas about a km from the Cathedral.
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Would this also be a Peto de Animas?
Wow, what a wonderful picture of one of them!This one is in Tui!
I remember a beautiful one after climbing a hill and don’t remember which Camino, Ingles v. Invierno, still looking for a picture. It is on top of the climb on a curve on the left, perhaps after Monforte???
That’s beautiful. I walked the Portugués so many years ago, and I am sad to say that I had no idea then what a peto de ánimas was, so I undoubtedly either didn’t see it or paid no attention to it if I did.This one is in Tui!
Does anyone have a good answer as to why people would think they could get loved ones out of purgatory by donating money? That seems so antithetical to the little I know about Catholic dogma - it’s prayers and good works that reach the ears of the almighty, not
No, but I did consider that this might also be associated with the notion that even a small donation from someone in a poor community would involve a level of sacrifice by the donor and their family in an opportunity foregone by the family.Does anyone have a good answer as to why people would think they could get loved ones out of purgatory by donating money? That seems so antithetical to the little I know about Catholic dogma - it’s prayers and good works that reach the ears of the almighty, not money.
Does anyone have a good answer as to why people would think they could get loved ones out of purgatory by donating money? That seems so antithetical to the little I know about Catholic dogma - it’s prayers and good works that reach the ears of the almighty, not money.
Does not answer these questions but were not necessarily linked to a parish and were placed at crossroads. I find them so very interesting.It doesn't seem clear who might have collected these alms, and what purpose they were put to when they were collected. Was there someone in a parish who had this role? Where the funds put to some good works sponsored by the parish, or just go into the parish revenue?
Thank you for finding that website. It suggests that the alms collected were collected from travellers, and used to pay for masses for the deceased.Does not answer these questions but were not necessarily linked to a parish and were placed at crossroads. I find them so very interesting.
Does anyone have a good answer as to why people would think they could get loved ones out of purgatory by donating money?
I guess donating money to the church was considered a good work.Does anyone have a good answer as to why people would think they could get loved ones out of purgatory by donating money? That seems so antithetical to the little I know about Catholic dogma - it’s prayers and good works that reach the ears of the almighty, not money.
This link is for the search results (in English) for peto das animas on the turismo.gal website.I would like help finding are more petos de ánima on an actual Camino. So if you’ve seen some, please add a photo or two!
Thats a good link. Not to many photos, but it seems to show the location of a lot of them if one wants to track them down.This link is for the search results (in English) for peto das animas on the turismo.gal website.
The Pardoner in Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales" was a similar seller of indulgences. A trade ripe for satire even before the Reformation. More relevantly for this forum is that Chaucer's Pardoner sold his indulgences on behalf of the daughter house of the Roncesvalles monastery which was built on ground which is now on the southern edge of Trafalgar Square in London. The daughter house sent part of its revenue back to Roncesvalles. Thus indirectly supporting pilgrims on their way to Santiago...The German Dominican munk Johannes Tetzel became notorious for selling letters of indulgence using a slogan something like this: “As soon as the coins rattle in the box, the soul jumps out of purgatory”.
That building in Santiago is called the Capela de Ánimas. I'd say it's the same concept as a peto de ánimas, but on a much larger scale, as it's a full-size building where people can go in and pray for the souls in purgatory. Undoubtedly, there are also alms boxes inside where one can leave an offering.Would this also be a Peto de Animas? These are right on the Camino Frances in Santiago at the Capilla de Animas about a km from the Cathedral.
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The marketing is not so different from today - urging one to act now.I am not certain, but perhaps it could be linked to the widespread (at least in Europe) catholic practice in the middle ages of buying letters of indulgence. The German Dominican munk Johannes Tetzel became notorious for selling letters of indulgence using a slogan something like this: “As soon as the coins rattle in the box, the soul jumps out of purgatory”.
On the Sanabrés, after Ourense, a Peto Ánimas can be found after approximately 15.3 kilometers in the center of the town of Sobreira, right along the Camino. You can't miss the cultural sign that announces it! For some reason, I can't post photos of it,
I’m guessing that in the days of yore one paid for a Mass/es to be said for the deceased
The plenary indulgence still exists. And as you have said it is linked to receiving the sacraments of penance and communion and therefore is separate from the rules around the Compostela which is an entirely different thing. The pilgrim office website lists the conditions for receiving a plenary indulgence.As to indulgences I thought that if, in a Holy Year, you go to confession and receice communion in the Santiago cathedral (at the end of your pilgrimage?) your sins are forgiven - past sins, not future ones. Is this still the case? I was told this when I walked my first camino in 2010.
That is an awesome one, Laurie! It even still has the pale peachy/pinky color lined "robes". I wonder if the color is original on a few of them and not touched up.I just went through my pictures quickly and found this one outside Cortegada. Thanks, I do have that book somewhere and will have to hunt for it now.
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“robes”? Or rather the purgatory fire?That is an awesome one, Laurie! It even still has the pale peachy/pinky color lined "robes". I wonder if the color is original on a few of them and not touched up.
I will definitely be keeping my eyes peeled when I walk next month!
Same difference.“robes”? Or rather the purgatory fire?
I think you are probably right...flames faded over the centuries.“robes”? Or rather the purgatory fire?
And NOW how much would you pay for that indulgence? But wait, there’s more!!I am not certain, but perhaps it could be linked to the widespread (at least in Europe) catholic practice in the middle ages of buying letters of indulgence. The German Dominican munk Johannes Tetzel became notorious for selling letters of indulgence using a slogan something like this: “As soon as the coins rattle in the box, the soul jumps out of purgatory”.
Here's one on the Camino de Sanabres, in the village of Sobreira.On a recent thread, @Wendy Werneth has introduced us to the Camiño de Taverneiro, a route through Galicia that reportedly takes you past 15 (FIFTEEN!!!) petos de ánima. As she explained in that thread, these petos are collection boxes for people willing to donate to help get their departed loved ones (and others) out of purgatory. Most seem to have been constructed in the XVI and XVII century.
I can think of three I have seen on the Invierno, but I may be forgetting others.
After crossing the bridge over the Miño at Belesar
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Leaving Chantada
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In Penasillás
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I have seen some in the Ribeira Sacra, but not on the camino, and what I would like help finding are more petos de ánima on an actual Camino. So if you’ve seen some, please add a photo or two! Thanks, buen camino, Laurie
This looks nearly identical to the one in post #28, both on the Sanabres, but in a different location.Here's one on the Camino de Sanabres, in the village of Sobreira.
The donation doesn't have to be money necessarily. It could be flowers, potatoes, corn...Does anyone have a good answer as to why people would think they could get loved ones out of purgatory by donating money? That seems so antithetical to the little I know about Catholic dogma - it’s prayers and good works that reach the ears of the almighty, not money.
No. "Peto" is a Galician word for money box. The petos de ánimas are usually found at crossroads or near churches and they must have a "peto", a little box or space for people to leave their donations. So, also there are some souls in purgatory in this carving, it's not a peto de ánimas.Would this also be a Peto de Animas? These are right on the Camino Frances in Santiago at the Capilla de Animas about a km from the Cathedral.
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"As in the box the money rings, the soul from purgatory springs." Guess I do still remember a few things from Lutheran Sunday school all those years ago.I am not certain, but perhaps it could be linked to the widespread (at least in Europe) catholic practice in the middle ages of buying letters of indulgence. The German Dominican munk Johannes Tetzel became notorious for selling letters of indulgence using a slogan something like this: “As soon as the coins rattle in the box, the soul jumps out of purgatory”.
I am not sure where the first one is. I can’t tell if the second one is a peto de ánimas or just a roadside cruceiro. The last two are, I think, the peto at Penasillás (compare with my shots)Is this what you mean? These are all on the Invierno. Unfortunately, I have mislaid my diary so off-hand Ican´t tell you exactly where, but if they are what you are looking for, I will do some digging and find out for you.View attachment 176744View attachment 176745View attachment 176746View attachment 176747
It is the same, in the same location.This looks nearly identical to the one in post #28, both on the Sanabres, but in a different location.
Thanks - I was using a 'raw' translation of the Danish version: "Når pengene i kassen klinger, straks sjælen ud af skærsilden springer"."As in the box the money rings, the soul from purgatory springs." Guess I do still remember a few things from Lutheran Sunday school all those years ago.
I’m guessing that in the days of yore one paid for a Mass/es to be said for the deceased
"As in the box the money rings, the soul from purgatory springs." Guess I do still remember a few things from Lutheran Sunday school all those years ago.
I don't think this can be counted as "unconscious bias". Luther's strong opposition to indulgences and in particular to Johann Tetzel's selling of indulgences forms part of the "Ninety-five Theses" which is considered one of the foundational documents of Lutheranism and of the wider Reformation. Nothing unconscious about it.Just shows how unconscious bias can be passed around from generation to generation.
I don't want to continue to the thread drift but the slogan quoted by others is really widely known and documented. In the medieval German of his time and his region, Tetzel's slogan sounded like this:Just shows how unconscious bias can be passed around from generation to generation.
I'm no great expert in Catholic dogma, beyond what shows up in medieval literature. And I'm a bit biased in that I sometimes play a pardoner in my local medieval living history group. But here goes.Does anyone have a good answer as to why people would think they could get loved ones out of purgatory by donating money? That seems so antithetical to the little I know about Catholic dogma - it’s prayers and good works that reach the ears of the almighty, not money.
Here you have one I saw in A Sobreira, on the Sanabres Camino, from Ourense to Cea. I took a pic with the explanation in Galego.On a recent thread, @Wendy Werneth has introduced us to the Camiño de Taverneiro, a route through Galicia that reportedly takes you past 15 (FIFTEEN!!!) petos de ánima. As she explained in that thread, these petos are collection boxes for people willing to donate to help get their departed loved ones (and others) out of purgatory. Most seem to have been constructed in the XVI and XVII century.
I can think of three I have seen on the Invierno, but I may be forgetting others.
After crossing the bridge over the Miño at Belesar
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Leaving Chantada
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In Penasillás
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I have seen some in the Ribeira Sacra, but not on the camino, and what I would like help finding are more petos de ánima on an actual Camino. So if you’ve seen some, please add a photo or two! Thanks, buen camino, Laurie
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