No Mobile Phone

[Snigelanna]

Thinking about my next walk. I really want to do the Camino without a mobile phone. Last time I used it quite a lot to find and book accomodation and other things. That was some years ago. What’s it like now? Are you more or less expected to have a phone? What are your thoughts on the subject?

 

[David with new Kit!]

Take a phone. If you need it, you have it. If you don’t need it, leave it off. At least it’s available if you do need it.

 

[Tincatinker]

Thinking about my next walk. I really want to do the Camino without a mobile phone. Last time I used it quite a lot to find and book accomodation and other things. That was some years ago. What’s it like now? Are you more or less expected to have a phone? What are your thoughts on the subject?

It’s perfectly possible to walk a Camino without a mobile phone. So far as I am aware, without referring to the Pilgrim Office’s website, the use of one is not compulsory. Security will direct you to a computer terminal where you can register for your Compostela.

Other uses? You’ve already said that you used yours to book accommodation. Were you thinking of relying on luck or an early morning start to secure your next bed this time. Navigating? Scarcely necessary on the Camino Frances. Unless, of course, you are setting out in the dark of morning in pursuit of that unsecured bed. Contacting family, friends, emergency services? Unnecessary until it is.

As @David with new Kit! has said you can always just switch the thing off and stash it with your emergency money and spare socks.

 

[Paul-CH]

What are your thoughts on the subject?

I need mine for photos, writing the blog, booking rooms and reading the newspaper.
But not so long ago, these things didn't exist and yet there were pilgrims who made it all the way to Santiago.

 

[J Willhaus]

Only you can decide if it is a need or a want. You'll likely get both opinions here.

 

[Snigelanna]

Take a phone. If you need it, you have it. If you don’t need it, leave it off. At least it’s available if you do need it.

But I really do not want it. I want to be free. And if I know myself I will find many occasions when I would save time or make life easier if I just look something up.... And I really do not want to take that shortcut... but would not be able to stop myself :-D

 

[Snigelanna]

I need mine for photos, writing the blog, booking rooms and reading the newspaper.
But not so long ago, these things didn't exist and yet there were pilgrims who made it all the way to Santiago.

Photos is an important thing. Bringing a camera sounds really old fashion :-D

 

[Snigelanna]

Only you can decide if it is a need or a want. You'll likely get both opinions here.

Of course. I am asking about your opinion. Would you like to be without?

 

[SabsP]

But I really do not want it. I want to be free. And if I know myself I will find many occasions when I would save time or make life easier if I just look something up.... And I really do not want to take that shortcut... but would not be able to stop myself :-D

You are overthinking it IMO.
Put phone on airplanemodus or only operate it at a certain hour ( if you want to connect with the homefront).

 

[Snigelanna]

It’s perfectly possible to walk a Camino without a mobile phone. So far as I am aware, without referring to the Pilgrim Office’s website, the use of one is not compulsory. Security will direct you to a computer terminal where you can register for your Compostela.

Other uses? You’ve already said that you used yours to book accommodation. Were you thinking of relying on luck or an early morning start to secure your next bed this time. Navigating? Scarcely necessary on the Camino Frances. Unless, of course, you are setting out in the dark of morning in pursuit of that unsecured bed. Contacting family, friends, emergency services? Unnecessary until it is.

As @David with new Kit! has said you can always just switch the thing off and stash it with your emergency money and spare socks.

I do not want to be part of the getting up before sunrise and walk quickly to the next cheap albergue. I want to walk slowly and rely on luck and if I have to pay for more expensive hotels I do not mind. No contact with home would be great!

 

[Snigelanna]

I need mine for photos, writing the blog, booking rooms and reading the newspaper.
But not so long ago, these things didn't exist and yet there were pilgrims who made it all the way to Santiago.

Do you find it necessary to book rooms?

 

[Paul-CH]

Do you find it necessary to book rooms?

I never did the Frances. But on less frequent traveled camino like VdlP, VF, Aragones I wouldn't like to start for +30km hike without the knowledge of a bed in the evening.
Sure you can always ask someone to call in behalf off you.

 

[Tincatinker]

I do not want to be part of the getting up before sunrise and walk quickly to the next cheap albergue. I want to walk slowly and rely on luck and if I have to pay for more expensive hotels I do not mind. No contact with home would be great!

Your question is answered. Leave your phone at home.

You’ve not said which Camino or when but if the Frances in spring or autumn use the saved weight to take a bivi

 

[Snigelanna]

I never did the Frances. But on less frequent traveled camino like VdlP, VF, Aragones I wouldn't like to start for +30km hike without the knowledge of a bed in the evening.
Sure you can always ask someone to call in behalf off you.

Have you ever found yourself in that situation - not finding a bed? I do not think I have ever met anyone who did not find somewhere to sleep. Sometimes on the floor In the hallway, but always somewhere.

 

[Damien Reynolds]

I think my phone is the most important thing I bring... To me it is a tool that opens doors of opportunity constantly on the Camino... like how are you going to find the best pizza place in town without a phone?

That and the whole safety issue of being out there and having to seek assistance for whatever reason.

 

[Paul-CH]

Have you ever found yourself in that situation - not finding a bed?

No, but the thought of an uncomfortable, cold night without a bed is enough for me. Many people who have hiked 30km are too exhausted to walk to the next town.

 

[Snigelanna]

Your question is answered. Leave your phone at home.

You’ve not said which Camino or when but if the Frances in spring or autumn use the saved weight to take a bivi

I have only done summer before and I as I prefer very light packing (last time 3,6 kg + food). I would like the North but I think it might be harder without a phone. There are not as many accommodation options there - at least when I walked a part in 2018. Frances, I think would be easier.

 

[Snigelanna]

I think my phone is the most important thing I bring... To me it is a tool that opens doors of opportunity constantly on the Camino... like how are you going to find the best pizza place in town without a phone?

That and the whole safety issue of being out there and having to seek assistance for whatever reason.

I hear you! And I get it. Maybe I would just have to rely on other people, get out of my shell and talk to the locals :-D

 

[Damien Reynolds]

I hear you! And I get it. Maybe I would just have to rely on other people, get out of my shell and talk to the locals :-D

do you know if you are allergic to anything? I didn't until I got bit by a wasp on the camino once, and started going into anaphylactic shock while walking alone...

 

[Bradypus]

Of course. I am asking about your opinion. Would you like to be without?

I walked my first Camino with no mobile phone or anything else electronic. My only contact with home was by mail and two or three phone calls from payphones. No email or internet along the way either. These days I carry a mobile phone and I am very happy to use it for many different things. I have walked two Caminos without a mobile phone. I know that it can be done but I see no benefit in deliberately robbing myself of something useful to me.

 

[J Willhaus]

Only you can decide if it is a need or a want. You'll likely get both opinions here.

I would take mine because I have elderly parents who may need to reach me. I walked my first Camino without, but on another Camino, I had to make an emergency return to the US because a parent was having emergency surgery and needed my care. I think it is a very personal decision.

 

[akane81]

For safety reasons, I think it is a necessity. If you do not want to use or rely on it, just keep it in your bag. At least you can get help if something unexpected happens.

Take a phone. If you need it, you have it. If you don’t need it, leave it off. At least it’s available if you do need it.

The above is very true.

 

[henrythedog]

I hear you! And I get it. Maybe I would just have to rely on other people, get out of my shell and talk to the locals :-D

You do not need a phone.

I recall the first of my friends having a mobile in the late 80’s and the world turned on its axis before and after that.

If you speak a bit of Spanish, you’ll be fine.

For the last few weeks my iPhone has stayed home and I’ve just carried a ‘dumb phone’, and I haven’t used it. I think I just twiddle away on my iPhone because I have it, not because I need it.

I’m off to Andalusia in January and my phone’s staying home. All I need are two bus tickets and a train ticket in the course of a week and if I can’t figure that out in good old-fashioned analogue style, then I really am in trouble.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Take the phone but keep it at 0% battery level. Also take a charger, small power bank and a cord. Keep them all in a foam pad in a bag. Put a note in the bag that says "If opened before Santiago I promise to ..." then sew the bag shut.

 

[Damien Reynolds]

Ok, I just have to say this, and I'll shut up...

I think it is irresponsible for any hiker/walker to to go out on a trek without being totally self sufficient and having the means to "save themselves". My thinking may be skewed by some of my "less travelled" adventures.

 

[henrythedog]

Ok, I just have to say this, and I'll shut up...

I think it is irresponsible for any hiker/walker to to go out on a trek without being totally self sufficient and having the means to "save themselves". My thinking may be skewed by some of my "less travelled" adventures.

I do understand, and I’d fully agree with you if you just added ‘… or accept the consequences’.

On a less-travelled trip the potential consequences may be less avoidable and thus more serious than a village-to-village walk in Spain.

 

[Snigelanna]

You do not need a phone.

I recall the first of my friends having a mobile in the late 80’s and the world turned on its axis before and after that.

If you speak a bit of Spanish, you’ll be fine.

For the last few weeks my iPhone has stayed home and I’ve just carried a ‘dumb phone’, and I haven’t used it. I think I just twiddle away on my iPhone because I have it, not because I need it.

I’m off to Andalusia in January and my phone’s staying home. All I need are two bus tickets and a train ticket in the course of a week and if I can’t figure that out in good old-fashioned analogue style, then I really am in trouble.

Sounds wonderful!

 

[Snigelanna]

do you know if you are allergic to anything? I didn't until I got bit by a wasp on the camino once, and started going into anaphylactic shock while walking alone...

That is a risk of course! I guess the phone saved you?

 

[Snigelanna]

Ok, I just have to say this, and I'll shut up...

I think it is irresponsible for any hiker/walker to to go out on a trek without being totally self sufficient and having the means to "save themselves". My thinking may be skewed by some of my "less travelled" adventures.

Well... I agree if we are talking about going to Antarctica or climbing K2... but I do think I can, and should (!), rely on other people when I go out walking in any town... we do live in a society and all kinds of relationships are worth living for... And to be honest the Frances is not much more of an adventure than taking any walk... shops and beds and people all around.

 

[Snigelanna]

Take the phone but keep it at 0% battery level. Also take a charger, small power bank and a cord. Keep them all in a foam pad in a bag. Put a note in the bag that says "If opened before Santiago I promise to ..." then sew the bag shut.

I like it!

 

[Damien Reynolds]

That is a risk of course! I guess the phone saved you?

No, not really. I happened to run into a doctor from Tennessee on the trail about an hour and a half later, who coincidentally had a "bag full of drugs." But I knew I was in trouble because I could look up my symptoms and tell him what was going on. I got lucky.

The next day's trip to the hospital, navigating the Spanish health care system, getting a prescription, acquiring an epi pen, would have been difficult, for me, without a phone.

 

[Stephan the Painter]

I like it!

The problem is that 20 years ago the world was not designed for people with phones in their pockets. But now the world is. Everybody expects you to have a phone, so it's more work than it used to be to get along without one.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Having a phone could come in handy saving a phone-less fellow pilgrim who is suffering from heat stroke.

Edit. Put everything in separate sewn bags and then those in another sewn bag. Make things real inconvenient.

 

[Tincatinker]

Or you could just feed them sips of salted sugar water until someone else turns up

Walking without using a phone is entirely different to choosing to walk without a phone at all. I refuse to speculate how much time in the present might be lost to that past decision.

 

[CarolamS]

How good is your Spanish? Can you explain a problem to a Dr or Pharmacist? Can you understand what they might say to you?

I feel more safe and secure with personal access to Alertcops and a Translation app. My prime use, in practice, is the camera. I also use the Wise Pilgrim and Kindle app.

If you choose to leave your phone at home it would be interesting to hear how you get on.

 

[Annette london]

A few years ago , we met a man who was very”anti phone “ usage on the Camino
Mind you, it didn’t stop him using mine a few times

 

[Sirage]

I lived the first 50 years of my life without a mobile phone perfectly well.

Walked my first Camino (1,500 kms in 2005) with a primitive phone - a few SMS messages to friends back home.

I couldn't imagine doing a Camino without one - the world, and I, are no longer the same.

 

[rappahannock_rev]

Thank God for all those internet cafes you can fall back on in a crisis!

 

[Damien Reynolds]

Thank God for all those internet cafes you can fall back on in a crisis!

Ummm... They have been closed for like 15 years.

 

[dick bird]

It is perfectly possible to walk a camino without a phone, pilgrims did it for about eleven centuries before now and some people still do it.

But a 'dumb' phone is a good compromise.

Cameras are not old-fashioned and you can get a high quality digital compact for a few hundred euros.

It is the private accommodation that is more likely to be full - the camino demographic has changed so it is bookable accommodation that fills up while dorms in public and private albergues have space.

The waymarks are still there.

Buen camino.

 

[rappahannock_rev]

Ummm... They have been closed for like 15 years.

"No, no, no! Can't be!", said the grumpy old man.... "Why, I remember when I had a problem in Logrono in 2012...."

 

[Damien Reynolds]

"No, no, no! Can't be!", said the grumpy old man.... "Why, I remember when I had a problem in Logrono in 2012...."

ok, 12/13 years, . You are funny. Why, because we have the internet in our pocket.

 

[Damien Reynolds]

ok, I guess I didn't shut up. my bad. buen camino!

 

[ParisOslo]

Few years ago I walk the Camino Norte without a book a map and a cellphone. I was learning Spanish and told myself that I would learn much faster on the Camino.

I arrived in Irun and start following the blue arrow. Sometimes I was missing the arrow but I was asking for my way to the locals. One more way for me to learn practice my Spanish.

The locals are nice and patient especially towards the people’s trying to speak their language. I found all my accommodations by asking to the locals.

I was looking for water and knock at one house in a tiny village and they also give me fruits.

My experience

…

 

[trecile]

but I do think I can, and should (!), rely on other people when I go out walking in any town.

In relying on other people it's quite possible that you will also be relying on their phone.

 

[C clearly]

Would you like to be without?

Absolutely not.

Maybe I would just have to rely on other people

Which means rely on other people who have phones.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

Have you ever found yourself in that situation - not finding a bed? I do not think I have ever met anyone who did not find somewhere to sleep. Sometimes on the floor In the hallway, but always somewhere.

I met a man on the Frances in late April 2017 who said he had to sleep on a park bench in Pamplona due to "no beds at the inn".

 

[BookGirl305]

so what is your real issue with wanting "no phone"? Because that's the issue, the issue is not the phone. Is it that you find yourself endlessly surfing TikTok? Delete the app. Are you hitting Google instead of learning the hard way? Break the habit. Are you wanting to put away electronics and do things the old fashioned way? Sure, but every paper guide printed is already using information from 1+ year ago when it was written, then printed, then made it's way to where you bought it. And everything is 30% higher. And weighs more. Figure out the why and solve that. Or take a paper guidebook, a digital camera, a paperback book, and a pad and paper instead.

 

[Anamya]

Having a phone could come in handy saving a phone-less fellow pilgrim who is suffering from heat stroke.

As the wife of a pilgrim who had a heatstroke in the middle of nowhere, I agree.
We always carry a phone, which we leave in airplane mode and only use for photos. We don't use it during the day, unless really necessary (like having a heatstroke...). I'm one of those people who loves asking people around for restaurants and stuff in every place we go. But I was glad that on the one occasion I needed to find help FAST, I had the phone with me.

So yes, I totally understand your feeling of not wanting to be connected. Maybe it's more about how you use it than about having the phone?
I'm pretty good with my general phone behaviour: only use it at night, once I'm into an accommodation, for quick messages to family and maybe a booking for the following day if the trail was busy. No social media, no scrolling.
What is it about the phone that impacts your connection with people on the trail? Sorry if the question is not well-placed, but I love engaging with others while on camino, so it made me really curious. (editing to add that I always back off if fellow pilgrims indicate preferring to be alone/in silence! )

 

[CTLawGal]

Are you good at paper maps and a compass? If you’re on a less traveled route it might be easier to take a wrong turn somewhere that’s not well marked - walking a few extra miles is not a big deal if you’re doing a 12 mile stage, but for me it kind of is if you’re doing 18-20 and there are no lodging options in between. I missed some markers on the Norte and Primitivo and was glad I could use my phone and the Wise Pilgrim map to help get me back on the path (and see how I missed them, poorly marked, faded, covered with leaves, etc.). I know I’m not good at paper maps, having the phone to help made all the difference. On some days I rarely crossed paths with anyone I could have asked to help, no pilgrims or locals for hours. So if you don’t mind getting lost and having no one to ask, it’s less of a problem. But I don’t see the benefit of not having your phone if you’re asking people who do use one to help you - possibility of a connection to meet someone you otherwise wouldn’t have met? Are you walking solo or relying on others in a group to find the way?

Another consideration is paying for things. If you don’t take a phone you still need to take a credit card, especially for hotels. It’s easier and safer to tap your phone than pull out your credit card. Some airlines charge extra (a lot extra at some) for paper boarding passes - arrival flights are not an issue but departing flights might be if you’re not staying some place where you can’t print one. You may be less sensitive fo extra charges than you are to smartphones, so this may not be an issue for you, but I don’t like it on pure principle

I also keep photos of my passport and drivers license on my phone in case they are lost or stolen on a trip. (Before smartphones I kept paper copies tucked in my luggage so you could do that instead). In the Santiago airport I had to rebook a flight, there were zero personnel in the airport to help at the hour I was leaving, so I couldn’t have done it without a phone.

If you think that tucking a phone (turned off, with a cable and charger) in a dry sack into your pack is too much “temptation” then my suggestion would be to use your Camino as an opportunity to practice self control over temptation. I think it’s one thing to take advantage of the kindness of strangers when you’re in a pinch, another thing to put yourself in the position of having to rely because of a deliberate choice not to be prepared. People like to say that the Camino provides, but I personally wouldn’t want to count on that especially if not on a well-travelled route. And I say that as someone who did a lot of providing for others along my route.

 

[SabsP]

Absolutely not.


Which means rely on other people who have phones.

Ah yes I remember such pilgrim in the years before we in most of Europe had general roaming for mobile phones.
Not that I imply the OP would do the same but that particular pilgrim would ask numerous pilgrims to help him out. He once asked to call a certain albergue if there was still room. I declined seeing it was not an emergency plus the cost was also an issue for me.
Same pilgrim who was always asking for other people to translate for him. Another thing a smartphone can help with all the various translation machines.
The thing that bugged me enormously was his quite expensive outfit and then his " statement of no phone ".

 

[Paladina]

The problem is not cell power: it’s will power. It’s perfectly possible to carry a phone for emergency use only, and not to rely on it to keep you occupied or entertained. The Camino will do that.

 

[dougfitz]

Thinking about my next walk. I really want to do the Camino without a mobile phone. Last time I used it quite a lot to find and book accomodation and other things. That was some years ago. What’s it like now? Are you more or less expected to have a phone? What are your thoughts on the subject?

Some responses reminded my of this contribution to a thread from many years ago by an earlier @falcon269 when the discussion turned to relying on the equipment carried by others:

A syndrome similar to those who brag about having no watch, that they are not slaves to the clock, asking for the time so they know when the restaurant opens. Or borrowing your Brierley's after saying they only need the yellow arrows to get to Santiago. All commenting later that "the Camino provides," when the facts would indicate that other pilgrims and hospitaleros, properly prepared, do the providing!!

This whole thread is quite long, but some quick scanning will get you some interesting observations and even a more memorable witticism.

Two other threads from about the same time, that serve to illustrate the enduring nature of some of our discussions, which might elicit a wry smile are:

• when-is-my-bag-too-heavy. and
• how-to-tell-if-your-backpack-is-too-light

 

[Camino Chrissy]

@dougfitz, it seems I cannot open the two threads. Is it me, or are they too old? I was especially wanting to scan for the memorable witticisms. Anyone who frequents this forum knows I love a good laugh.

 

[CTLawGal]

@dougfitz, it seems I cannot open the two threads. Is it me, or are they too old? I was especially wanting to scan for the memorable witticisms. Anyone who frequents this forum knows I love a good laugh.

I was willing to stop at "All commenting later that "the Camino provides," when the facts would indicate that other pilgrims and hospitaleros, properly prepared, do the providing!!"

I will remember that one!

 

[Glenshiro]

how are you going to find the best pizza place in town without a phone?

Oh, is THAT what they're for?

 

[nilesite]

Best advice is carry it anyway. Cell service is excellent - and there if you need help, or if you come upon someone else who needs help.

 

[dougfitz]

@dougfitz, it seems I cannot open the two threads. Is it me, or are they too old? I was especially wanting to scan for the memorable witticisms. Anyone who frequents this forum knows I love a good laugh.

I altered the links, but they now appear to point to places in the middle of the thread. My apologies, but I'm sure you can work out how to get around them.

edit - the links now point to the start of the threads.

 

[RRat]

Thinking about my next walk. I really want to do the Camino without a mobile phone. Last time I used it quite a lot to find and book accomodation and other things. That was some years ago. What’s it like now? Are you more or less expected to have a phone? What are your thoughts on the subject?

Great idea. Leave your phone at home. If while you are on your Camino you realize you made a mistake and need a phone purchase an inexpensive one.

 

[Paladina]

Great idea. Leave your phone at home. If while you are on your Camino you realize you made a mistake and need a phone purchase an inexpensive one.

Unfortunately, if or when you discover that you do need a mobile phone after all, you’re probably far from the nearest phone shop.

 

[Camineiro]

Take a phone. If you need it, you have it. If you don’t need it, leave it off. At least it’s available if you do need it.

Well, If I have chocolate in my backpack, I‘ll eat it …

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Ok, I just have to say this, and I'll shut up...

I think it is irresponsible for any hiker/walker to to go out on a trek without being totally self sufficient and having the means to "save themselves". My thinking may be skewed by some of my "less travelled" adventures.

But is the Camino a "trek"? Would one be isolated for days on end or trampled down by 450,000 like minded pilgrims? Should one be "totally self sufficient" and all carry tents, beds, medical chests and cooking pots just-in-case? A certain amount of perspective is required.
If I were still able to walk 800 kms I would be happy to do it the same way I did my first with no phone but, this time, with all my accommodation booked in advance and over very short stages!

 

[John Sikora]

When I see this question, it brings up a conversation between a couple of medieval pilgrims wondering whether they should walk the Camino without a horse. The decision was that it makes it easier but you don't have to - and you can always take the horse with you for companionship and security but not ride it.

 

[kelleymac]

I think my phone is the most important thing I bring... To me it is a tool that opens doors of opportunity constantly on the Camino... like how are you going to find the best pizza place in town without a phone?

That and the whole safety issue of being out there and having to seek assistance for whatever reason.

I think you could find the best pizza place by simply asking somebody at the albergue. And then there's a human connection made.

I never felt unsafe or alone on the frances.

I was once worried when I didn't have cell coverage. I was on an alternative route on Le Chemin from Le Puy walking towards Abbey Bonnevalle – it was a switchback route and it was narrow and it was wet and I fell numerous times slipping on those damned chestnuts. I hadn't seen anybody all day and although the nuns at the Abbey expecting me I didn't expect they would send anyone out to search if I didn't show up. I'm a scoutmaster and I tell my scouts again and again for the hiking merit badge that they should never hike alone – – and thus did I scold myself in that lonely hidden valley. But to be remote is an exception in Europe.

I do not like staring at a phone. I would rather look at a map made of paper. When I go for a walk here at home I often do not take a phone or a camera. (Yes, I still own a camera.) I am more present when my phone and my camera are not with me.

Yes, I could turn off my phone. But when I do, I'll be turning it on when I remembered I need to call someone about something. Or if I feel lonely I call someone to chat. The thing is-- it's alright to feel lonely. In fact it motivates me to prayer, to sing, to remember others, to recite poetry I memorized long ago.

 

[MamaBear]

Thinking about my next walk. I really want to do the Camino without a mobile phone. Last time I used it quite a lot to find and book accomodation and other things. That was some years ago. What’s it like now? Are you more or less expected to have a phone? What are your thoughts on the subject?

I plan to use it even to pay monthly bills! Camera, home communication and local calls if need be, journal and navigation questions, make reservations If needed, I might need it for French translation ?
Yes, I’m bringing the all essential iPhone.
Oh and I read bible on it

 

[CTLawGal]

I plan to use it even to pay monthly bills! Camera, home communication and local calls if need be, journal and navigation questions, make reservations If needed, I might need it for French translation ?
Yes, I’m bringing the all essential iPhone.
Oh and I read bible on it

My husband was worried about me walking solo for 6 weeks, so he used his to track my location with me sharing location with him. For no other reason than helping to put his mind at ease, that was reason enough. Plus of course the ease of taking pictures. I speak almost no Spanish, so Google Translate was good for conveying more complicated communications - Spaniards with no English seemed happy to be able to communicate by typing back and forth (less useful for reading menus, but still I could mostly figure out what I was ordering). I don't know how friendly the French will be about communicating with a translation app, but I'm hoping my French is good enough I won't have to resort to that! Buen Camino

 

[t2andreo]

But I really do not want it. I want to be free. And if I know myself I will find many occasions when I would save time or make life easier if I just look something up.... And I really do not want to take that shortcut... but would not be able to stop myself :-D

I respectfully suggest that you bring a smart phone, fully charged, and turned off if you insist. BUT, it is far better to have it and not need it, or choose not to use it, than to find yourself in a difficult or emergency situation, without a means to call for help. Make sure you have pre-loaded the necessary apps to help you - just in case. Alert Cops is one such app that we in the forum highly recommend.

While I fully understand the desire to be truly disconnected, be aware that this "freedom" has definite drawbacks. In my 70+ years experience on this mortal coil - 11+ as a pilgrim, I have long ago learned that as soon as I let down my guard - like not bringing an emergency means of summoning help, something will happen to make me regret that decision. The modern smart phone is like a digital data Swiss Army Knife. You literally have the knowledge of the world at your fingertips. But, as I said, I respect your choice.

Still and all, it IS your Camino and you may accomplish it however you think best for you. If you do not bring a smart phone for summoning or locating help while on your Camino, I recommend that you carry an ICE (In Case of Emergency) document printed and in a waterproof bag.

Consider keeping it with your national passport. This way, if someone finds you incapacitated or worse, they know what your medical needs are, and who to contact in am emergency. This is especially true if you have a chronic condition, or must take prescription medication regularly.

I have carried one one on every Camino since 2013. It is translated into three languages: Portuguese, Spanish and French - plus English. So, even with a functioning smart phone, if someone comes upon my unconscious - or worse - body - the appropriate assistance can be summoned. I owe my family and loved ones at least that much.

Hope this helps.

Tom

 

[Rita Flower]

But I really do not want it. I want to be free. And if I know myself I will find many occasions when I would save time or make life easier if I just look something up.... And I really do not want to take that shortcut... but would not be able to stop myself :-D

Ah. Being free. My experience is that this is an inner state that one can experience with or without a mobile phone - or anything else for that matter.
I suspect it might be more difficult to walk a Camino without a mobile phone these days than in the past. In 2007 I had a talk and text mobile phone, a guidebook and occasionally contacted home via internet cafes, postcards and once a public phone with a phone card.
Maybe give it a go and let us know how it goes.
Buen Camino

 

[trecile]

I want to be free

I bring my phone to enhance my freedom to be self sufficient, to read a book, to find interesting alternate routes, to learn more about an interesting place I find myself, etc. and that all important search for the best pizza or ice cream!

 

[Tincatinker]

I want to be free

Nelson Mandela. “For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.”

 

[trecile]

I forgot to mention that the greatest freedom I get from having my phone with me is the freedom to wander.

Ten years ago in my first completely solo trip I went to Barcelona, and felt such freedom to wander wherever I wanted knowing that I could always use the maps on my phone to find my way back, whether to walk, find a bus, or call taxi.

 

[CTLawGal]

I forgot to mention that the greatest freedom I get from having my phone with me is the freedom to wander.

Ten years ago in my first completely solo trip I went to Barcelona, and felt such freedom to wander wherever I wanted knowing that I could always use the maps on my phone to find my way back, whether to walk, find a bus, or call taxi.

That is a great point, I;ve found that to be true too, only I've now taken it for granted. Knowing you can find your way back makes it so much easier to explore, especially for those who are challenged reading maps - even on my phone, I often start off in the wrong direction, back track until I can get oriented, but I always eventually find my way.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

I couldn't imagine doing a Camino without one - the world, and I, are no longer the same.

This pretty much sums it up for the majority in the 21st century. Maybe some still long for "the good old days", but no lamenting will bring them back.
I use my phone for nearly all the same things written on this thread, and I turn it off for nearly all the same reasons, but leave it home?...never!

 

[Sue127]

I respectfully suggest that you bring a smart phone, fully charged, and turned off if you insist. BUT, it is far better to have it and not need it, or choose not to use it, than to find yourself in a difficult or emergency situation, without a means to call for help. Make sure you have pre-loaded the necessary apps to help you - just in case. Alert Cops is one such app that we in the forum highly recommend.

While I fully understand the desire to be truly disconnected, be aware that this "freedom" has definite drawbacks. In my 70+ years experience on this mortal coil - 11+ as a pilgrim, I have long ago learned that as soon as I let down my guard - like not bringing an emergency means of summoning help, something will happen to make me regret that decision. The modern smart phone is like a digital data Swiss Army Knife. You literally have the knowledge of the world at your fingertips. But, as I said, I respect your choice.

Still and all, it IS your Camino and you may accomplish it however you think best for you. If you do not bring a smart phone for summoning or locating help while on your Camino, I recommend that you carry an ICE (In Case of Emergency) document printed and in a waterproof bag.

Consider keeping it with your national passport. This way, if someone finds you incapacitated or worse, they know what your medical needs are, and who to contact in am emergency. This is especially true if you have a chronic condition, or must take prescription medication regularly.

I have carried one one on every Camino since 2013. It is translated into three languages: Portuguese, Spanish and French - plus English. So, even with a functioning smart phone, if someone comes upon my unconscious - or worse - body - the appropriate assistance can be summoned. I owe my family and loved ones at least that much.

Hope this helps.

Tom

That's a good point, Tom. I have the ICE number on my phone, but was wondering, is that recognised in most countries or just English speaking countries? Would it be better to use a other acronym whst in Spain?

 

[trecile]

That's a good point, Tom. I have the ICE number on my phone, but was wondering, is that recognised in most countries or just English speaking countries? Would it be better to use a other acronym whst in Spain?

I made a lock screen for my phone that has my emergency information.
That way so long as my phone has power someone can look at my lock screen and find my name and my husband's contact information.

 

[trecile]

That is a great point, I;ve found that to be true too, only I've now taken it for granted

Me too, it's such second nature now that I forgot to mention it in my other post.

 

[jsalt]

Thinking about my next walk. I really want to do the Camino without a mobile phone. Last time I used it quite a lot to find and book accomodation and other things. That was some years ago. What’s it like now? Are you more or less expected to have a phone? What are your thoughts on the subject?

I walked my first two caminos without a cellphone. The best caminos ever – and I’ve done lots since.

I take mine now, but I only use it to take photos and to whatsapp family and friends, who aren’t really interested anyway.

You do not need a cellphone on the camino. Now there is a challenge for you. Don’t take yours’ and prove it to us!

 

[SabsP]

This pretty much sums it up for the majority in the 21st century. Maybe some still long for "the good old days", but no lamenting will bring them back.
I use my phone for nearly all the same things written on this thread, and I turn it off for nearly all the same reasons, but leave it home?...never!

Like other things in life we can always choose when and how we use them.

I can choose to drive my car but when time and energy I bike or walk. But happy someone invented the car back in the days .
I could read the Magic Mountain from Thomas Mann on paper but happy to have a lesser heavy version on my E-reader.
I could wash my stuff by hand but happy to have a washing machine . Our grandparents were less fortunate.

My cellphone : always with me on a Camino. On flightmode. ICE on screen. On silent when in albergues .

 

[Sue127]

I made a lock screen for my phone that has my emergency information.
That way so long as my phone has power someone can look at my lock screen and find my name and my husband's contact information.

That’s a good idea but it'll be hard not to have some of my grandchildren grinning at me when I unlock

 

[Damien Reynolds]

That’s a good idea but it'll be hard not to have some of my grandchildren grinning at me when I unlock

ok, It's not when you unlock, it is when someone just picks up your phone, they don't match your face, and they get your locked screen. I was thinking about the post about having emergency info on your lock screen.... that is a good idea IMO. It may take some effort... like you have to have a "background" photo including your personal info beneath the clock (iPhone). You'd have to adjust the photo using online tools to include your ICE,

 

[ParisOslo]

A cellphone is a practical tool when used wisely!

I remember MANY occasions were some pilgrims were using their cellphone has torture instruments to other pilgrims… I recall vividly a place were 50 pilgrims +- we’re sleeping in the same large space and the a phone ring full volume at 6AM to wake up ONE person. But woke up 50!

 

[t2andreo]

That's a good point, Tom. I have the ICE number on my phone, but was wondering, is that recognised in most countries or just English speaking countries? Would it be better to use a other acronym whst in Spain?

In Case of Emergency (English) (ICE)

En Caso de Emergencia (Espanol) (ECE)

En Cas d'Urgence (French) (ECU)

Em Caso de Emergência (Portuguese) (ECE)

I think they will get the point if you use these titles and acronyms. The title is less important than the content of the document.

Mine is set up as a Word document with a two column table on each side. The front side has the English information on one side and the Spanish information on the other side. The reverse side of the page has the French and Portuguese content - one to a side.

This works for the majority of my Caminos that are in Spain. However, you can easily cut and paste the respective columns to place either French, Portuguese or Spanish immediately next to the English version.

Hope this helps.

Tom

 

[Damien Reynolds]

I swear this thing is the last thing I'll post on this thread. Mainly for Americans. In Spain, the EMERGENCY number is 112.

I've never had to use it.

 

[trecile]

That’s a good idea but it'll be hard not to have some of my grandchildren grinning at me when I unlock

I remove it from my lock screen when I return home.

 

[HBS60]

I think it’s an individual thing, as we are different in terms of resourcefulness, adaptability, self confidence, skills. Being that I was a novice pilgrim that believes in prudence and have a low risk tolerance, I made sure I had my phone with me at all times so I could find my way around and know what was ahead. I’m not a self-reliant adventurous type (just being on the Camino was a huge stretch for me) and those apps helped me find the trail when there was so much fog I couldn’t see the arrows, find accommodations, etc. I know and respect my limits, but they are just my limits, not someone else’s. Other pilgrims are more resourceful, skilled, with higher risk tolerance, and they will be fine without a phone, gadgets, or whatever. Just because I have my limits doesn’t mean others are obligated to do as I do, anymore than just because others are more adventurous mean that I should be likewise. So, it’s an individual issue, hopefully making an informed choice that works for them.

 

[peregrina2000]

I don’t understand how not taking a cell phone can be a challenge that will prove anything to anyone. If you don’t take one and don’t need it, I’m happy for you, but if you don’t take one and find you do need it for an emergency services call, then I will hope that you are near to people who have not decided to try to prove something and have a phone that may save your life.

 

[C clearly]

we are different in terms of resourcefulness, adaptability, self confidence, skills.

Other pilgrims are more resourceful, skilled, with higher risk tolerance, and they will be fine without a phone

I like to think of myself as somewhat adventurous, resourceful, skilled, adaptable, etc., but carrying a phone is very much part of that!

P.S. Isn't it interesting how we can make totally different interpretations of the meaning of carrying a phone?!

 

[HBS60]

I don’t understand how not taking a cell phone can be a challenge that will prove anything to anyone. If you don’t take one and don’t need it, I’m happy for you, but if you don’t take one and find you do need it for an emergency services call, then I will hope that you are near to people who have not decided to try to prove something and have a phone that may save your life.

It may be that for some people, they need to disconnect, the phone might tie them to obligations, burdens, chaos, turmoil, so I get the need to get away from it all. As for having something to prove, I can’t be too critical about that, since for me, just walking the Camino was partly about proving something to myself, the difference may be that whatever I was trying to prove, the phone wasn’t part of it. I don’t feel any less of my Camino success because I relied on my phone, but then again, my phone wasn’t a burden or a leash to whatever unpleasantness back home others are dealing with. Just a thought…

 

[Jeff Crawley]

That’s a good idea but it'll be hard not to have some of my grandchildren grinning at me when I unlock

Paste the details in a little box beneath their faces

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Thank God for all those internet cafes you can fall back on in a crisis!

Ah, the Cibercafé and a stack of 100 pts coins! ¡Nostalgia!

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Android has a setting to add text to the phone's lock screen.

Settings > Display & touch > Lock screen > Add text on lock screen

On my lock screen I have an email address and a VOIP number that can be pre-set to redirect calls to several other phones. The service also transcribes the call, saves it and also emails it.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

My husband was worried about me walking solo for 6 weeks, so he used his to track my location with me sharing location with him. For no other reason than helping to put his mind at ease, that was reason enough. Plus of course the ease of taking pictures. I speak almost no Spanish, so Google Translate was good for conveying more complicated communications - Spaniards with no English seemed happy to be able to communicate by typing back and forth (less useful for reading menus, but still I could mostly figure out what I was ordering). I don't know how friendly the French will be about communicating with a translation app, but I'm hoping my French is good enough I won't have to resort to that! Buen Camino

Translating menus or any printed matter isn't too hard. I use Google translate. Just point your phone at the text with the app open and press the little camera icon.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Android has a setting to add text to the phone's lock screen.

Settings > Display & touch > Lock screen > Add text on lock screen

On my lock screen I have an email address and a VOIP number that can be pre-set to redirect calls to several other phones. The service also transcribes the call, saves it and also emails it.

Not, it seems, available on all releases - Android 11 UK release!

 

[Bradypus]

Translating menus or any printed matter isn't too hard. I use Google translate. Just point your phone at the text with the app open and press the little camera icon.

It is positively miraculous watching it at work on a page of Japanese.

An example.

 

[Barbara]

I need mine for photos, writing the blog, booking rooms and reading the newspaper.
But not so long ago, these things didn't exist and yet there were pilgrims who made it all the way to Santiago.

Yes, twice. Though there were phone kiosks.

 

[CTLawGal]

Translating menus or any printed matter isn't too hard. I use Google translate. Just point your phone at the text with the app open and press the little camera icon.


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Thanks, it's not so much the technique, it's sometimes just understanding what the offering is, what the ingredients are or the preparation (after a certain point, I just coudn't bear one more fried dish, it wasn't always obvious that the menu item was a lump of breaded something that was going to be deep fried). Sometimes it's obvious from the translation, sometimes it's not. Simple example: if the menu item is translated as Russian Salad, you need to know what that means in that part of the world. I'm pretty adventurous, but I do like to know what I'm eating and there are some things I don't want to eat. I once ordered something translated as fish stomachs, I thought to myself, they must mean the flesh from the side of the fish, but no it was actually stomachs and it was disgusting, I paid for it uneaten and left to find an ice cream to cleanse my palate, hahaha!. So I think the translation is only helpful some of the time.

 

[J Willhaus]

Thanks, it's not so much the technique, it's sometimes just understanding what the offering is, what the ingredients are or the preparation (after a certain point, I just coudn't bear one more fried dish, it wasn't always obvious that the menu item was a lump of breaded something that was going to be deep fried). Sometimes it's obvious from the translation, sometimes it's not. Simple xample: if the menu item is translated as Russian Salad, you need to know what that means in that part of the world. I'm pretty adventurous, but I do like to know what I'm eating and there are some things I don't want to eat. I once ordered something translated as fish stomachs, I thought to myself, they must mean the flesh from the side of the fish, but no it was actually stomachs and it was disgusting, I paid for it uneaten and left to find an ice cream to cleanse my palate, hahaha!. So I think the translation is only helpful some of the time.

Agreed, as an example something prepared a certain way. Basque cheesecake, Castiilian soup, Galicia Soup, etc. Doesn't really give you the full picture. Although how far wrong could you go with cheesecake?

 

[CTLawGal]

Agreed, as an example something prepared a certain way. Basque cheesecake, Castiilian soup, Galicia Soup, etc. Doesn't really give you the full picture. Although how far wrong could you go with cheesecake?

We're moving a little off-topic here, but it's fun and it's year end, so I actually don't like cheese cake, but was persuaded to try some in San Sebastian before I started my Camino, best cheese cake I've ever had in my life! We ordered a second piece! OMG!

 

[Paul-CH]

I was once in Ireland and nearly did order a Black pudding, because I thought is was a sweet dessert.
Luckily my wife saved me in time before I could order it.

 

[CTLawGal]

We need a separate thread on Weird foods I ordered (or almost ordered) using Google Translate! Hahaha! Shall I?