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Depending on the music one listens to, it can completely enhance a beautiful experience. I will certainly be taking mine with me and with earbuds, you are aware of your surroundings.They either don't hear you coming so they don't move off the track to let you pass and frequently ignore a friendly Buen Camino as presumably they can't hear the comment.
I guess that, deep down, it is my perception that they are missing so much of the sounds of nature around them (or even the quiet) that they feel they must listen to music to get them through the day although they may be listening to something more religious or a message from home. My problem, not theirs - it doesn't spoil my day! Each to their own.
You call that snow, phessh tosh! This is snow.....like in Canada.Me too re spring! Have been keeping my eye on the long range weather forecast, wondering, as we have had such a mild, warm, wet, windy winter over here if I could actually go earlier than April 10th ... but ... opened my curtains this morning to see this! but! - Hang on! it is March now!!
(Note: Australians - this is called snow and is made in the sky out of water droplets)
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I second that emotion!! Good oneWhat bothers me the most about the Camino, right now, is how far away it is from where I am sitting.
Privados normally have more than one person running the place, and they generally work shifts. Public pilgrim albergues, whether fixed charge or donativo, municipal or parochial, are run either by very poorly paid council workers or, more often, volunteers who basically work from when they get up to when they go to bed. For nothing. Between finishing the cleaning and opening up is the only rest and respite they get. Please do not begrudge them this.
I get up every day at 5:30 to make your pilgrim breakfast, clean the albergue, do the shopping and clean the albergue before the next pilgrims arrive. I check people in, make them feel welcome and prepare your evening meal. Feel free to stay where the exit time is different if the schedule does not meet yours.I admire volunteer hospitalera/os and the work they do. If it wasn't for them the Camino would be impossible for less well-heeled pilgrims. I don't know anywhere else in the world where people freely give voluntary service to strangers. They are representatives of a sacred tradition that goes back thousands of years. The places they run have an atmosphere of loving kindness that refreshes the spirit. Many times I've seen young pilgrims quietly astonished to see caritas in action for the first time in their lives. To these refugees from atheist consumer capitalism they are exemplars of a better way of life.
I know how hard they work and that they pay their own fares and could be on Camino themselves, having travelled far to be there. To me all this is wonderful. But here's the niggle. If I'm in bed while their work is going on and then I get up at 9 am and scuttle off, in what way does this impede their work or deny them repose? And if they leave the door open so I can wander around the town free of gear until 11 or so, then nip in, pick up the pack and head off, as I do in privados, how is this a problem? Check-in Leon and Luz de Fromista are big places run by one man, super hostels both. For much if the year Puente de Fitero is run by 3-person teams, at others by one very nice guy who spends his time hanging out with the pilgrims shooting the breeze. Same with the extraordinary San Anton. It's a mystery to me how places with 3-person teams generate the kind of workload which many volunteer hospis clearly do, and which I admire them very much for doing, and without which the spiritual life of the Camino would be very much diminished. Just saying.
What's amazing is that so many varied types of people who would be at daggers drawn get along so smoothly on the Camino. It is on fact magical.
If I get annoyed I know that the Camino is giving me a lesson in tolerance and patience which I need to learn.
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Lol. I was thinking the same thing. ???And how does that affect you?
I admire volunteer hospitalera/os and the work they do. If it wasn't for them the Camino would be impossible for less well-heeled pilgrims. I don't know anywhere else in the world where people freely give voluntary service to strangers. They are representatives of a sacred tradition that goes back thousands of years. The places they run have an atmosphere of loving kindness that refreshes the spirit. Many times I've seen young pilgrims quietly astonished to see caritas in action for the first time in their lives. To these refugees from atheist consumer capitalism they are exemplars of a better way of life.
I know how hard they work and that they pay their own fares and could be on Camino themselves, having travelled far to be there. To me all this is wonderful. But here's the niggle. If I'm in bed while their work is going on and then I get up at 9 am and scuttle off, in what way does this impede their work or deny them repose? And if they leave the door open so I can wander around the town free of gear until 11 or so, then nip in, pick up the pack and head off, as I do in privados, how is this a problem? Check-in Leon and Luz de Fromista are big places run by one man, super hostels both. For much if the year Puente de Fitero is run by 3-person teams, at others by one very nice guy who spends his time hanging out with the pilgrims shooting the breeze. Same with the extraordinary San Anton. It's a mystery to me how places with 3-person teams generate the kind of workload which many volunteer hospis clearly do, and which I admire them very much for doing, and without which the spiritual life of the Camino would be very much diminished. Just saying.
You could always become a volunteer Hospitalero yourself. CSJ and FICS are always looking for volunteers and they train on site.Your work is deeply appreciated. So is the freedom you extend to stay after 8, the witching hour at which most munis and parrochials drive the hungry and sleepless pilgrim from their doors. All I'm asking for is more Mary, less Martha.
I’m a newbie going on my first Camino in May. There is plenty of kind advice around. You don’t always get this type of information. Where else would I learn I should bring my own tea? And for the people snubbing the tea complaints, turn it around and imagine bad coffee. Neither tea nor coffee are a requirement to enjoy an experience, but boy do they enhance it! Buen Camino!I am not sure how welcoming they are for new pilgrims who might be reading and looking for kind advice though.
The unknown potential annoyances are part of the adventure, @AdventureSeeker .Where else would I learn I should bring my own tea?
And the potential delights of perhaps finding Cafe con Leche!
Or an ice cold large beer on a hot midday...And the potential delights of perhaps finding Cafe con Leche!
What is CSJ and FICS? I’ve thought lovingly and deeply about volunteering.You could always become a volunteer Hospitalero yourself. CSJ and FICS are always looking for volunteers and they train on site.
Thank you so much. I’ve looked into the American Pilgrims on the Camino however the training schedules never seem to line up for me.Confraternity of St James and Fraternity International of the Camino de Santiago. One in the UK and the other in Spain with volunteers coordinated by @Rebekah Scott .
HOSVOL also accepts volunteers, but you must complete a training course which is offered in the US by American Pilgrims on the Camino.
+1 for litter of any type, and on a similar theme people who have little respect for the path or people of whose country they are lucky enough to be walking through.
I'm an early riser each morning and I like to get to bed earlier than most as well when on the camino. As much as people hate it when people make noise early in the morning, I don't like when people come in the albergue right at the last possible moment each night and make so much noise for all of us that are already sleeping. I guess it goes both ways.Hi, I love the Camino, especially where it throngs with pilgrims, I like the evening tribalness of it all and the close interaction, balanced with long periods of solitude of course, but! - there are a few things that niggle at me, not really hates as I don't do hate ... but ... well...
That trail of pure white toilet tissues left by female pilgrims all the way along by clumps of trees and bushes (unless it is just one poor woman with a serious bladder problem who goes Camino every year).
Missing sink plugs.
Whatever that incredibly thin unidentifiable fried meat is in most pilgrim meals.
The Spanish (God bless them) way of making tea! (tepid water in a thick small cup with a disastrously weak tea bag).
Missing clothes pegs - who takes them? (I have often bought a pack of clothes pegs to 'feed' the washing line at a refugio and usually half are missing the next morning).
Yours ....... ???
No, as someone who has moved here to Spain for the last couple of years, I can say that it is one of my least favorite things living here. People throw trash everywhere and the cities are not exactly proactive in cleaning up.I walked behind 2 well dressed Spanish women after Cruz di Ferro. One of them got out a tissue, blew her nose and simply dropped it on the trail. It isn't always the guests in Spain doing the littering.
Hosvol does provide approved training classes in Spain for their albergues as well as in other countries. Here is the link to the schedule for this year. At the bottom are the classes scheduled for this year. Hosvol has a lot of albergues to staff each year. In recent years they ask that you go through the contact in your country where you did training for assignments to volunteer.Thank you so much. I’ve looked into the American Pilgrims on the Camino however the training schedules never seem to line up for me.
So, I could go to Spain to train in an albergue then after training immediately start volunteering?
The toilet paper and graffitti are a sad sight. Other than than, I feel blessed to be on the Camino and accept everything I encounter with a positive mind. You go to Spain for coffee, not tea.Hi, I love the Camino, especially where it throngs with pilgrims, I like the evening tribalness of it all and the close interaction, balanced with long periods of solitude of course, but! - there are a few things that niggle at me, not really hates as I don't do hate ... but ... well...
That trail of pure white toilet tissues left by female pilgrims all the way along by clumps of trees and bushes (unless it is just one poor woman with a serious bladder problem who goes Camino every year).
Missing sink plugs.
Whatever that incredibly thin unidentifiable fried meat is in most pilgrim meals.
The Spanish (God bless them) way of making tea! (tepid water in a thick small cup with a disastrously weak tea bag).
Missing clothes pegs - who takes them? (I have often bought a pack of clothes pegs to 'feed' the washing line at a refugio and usually half are missing the next morning).
Yours ....... ???
Fortunately, I have never been in the situation, but it actually happens that you have to, as far as I know it is quite natural. I pray everyone knows the child's lesson that you have to dig it deep in order not to attract animals? (And today, when we obviously use the obvious places, that others step in it??) I have seriously read that it was one of the functions of the pilgrim's shell. (NOT that I would, I see that as some kind of "holy thing". But, when I think about it, it's only to dig in clean soil)..It isn't just ladies. There are often brown tissues.
Take a photo of the code, screenshot it, then you can copy and paste it!The 30 character WiFi code...
Would like to point out, re tea, real tea, that all those who drink fruit and perfume infusions they 'call' tea are Marxists. I know this as I once read that Marx said on a number of occasions that "Proper tea was theft".
... errmm .. or something like that ...
When I read this I thought "what? you can't copy text from a photo." But I tried it and it works on my Samsung phone. Thanks for the tip!Take a photo of the code, screenshot it, then you can copy and paste it!
Wearing earplugs really does solve the snoring problem. Most people snore a little at some point,too. They probably just don't realize itI get really annoyed with people who seem to still think that Camino should be like they imagine it should be especially after they’ve spent far too much time on this forum researching what it could be.
Oh, and people who think I snore out of spite
Thank you! Yes I was playing around with my phone once (I phone - older version) and got it to work. Don’t even know why I tried as it sounds so counter - intuitive!!When I read this I thought "what? you can't copy text from a photo." But I tried it and it works on my Samsung phone. Thanks for the tip!
It even works for handwritten text.
I copied from this picture of my chalkboard grocery list.
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True, but back in 2015, the technology did not allow that!!Take a photo of the code, screenshot it, then you can copy and paste it!
Agree and those that play music with ear pods!
Ooh I have no idea. I am ‘middle of the road’ when it comes to technology, certainly not an ‘early adopter’ but not at the back of the queue either. I guess I am a big fan of a password that is ‘123456789’!True, but back in 2015, the technology did not allow that!!
(Or if it did, I was ignorant)
Honestly for me, it's almost anything after Sarria. We had people switching on the main light at 5 am because they decided to leave and wanted to pack. Would try to help someone (as normal on the camino) and instead of just simply refusing it or thank me for it, they looked at me like I was crazy and disgusting for even speaking to them. People rushing, sometimes even running on the camino (and not trail runners, those are fine and kudos to them for being able to do that, but people pushing in front of others to get to a bar first, or to get to a place first). So many things...
Honestly for me, it's almost anything after Sarria. We had people switching on the main light at 5 am because they decided to leave and wanted to pack. Would try to help someone (as normal on the camino) and instead of just simply refusing it or thank me for it, they looked at me like I was crazy and disgusting for even speaking to them. People rushing, sometimes even running on the camino (and not trail runners, those are fine and kudos to them for being able to do that, but people pushing in front of others to get to a bar first, or to get to a place first). So many things...
those who have passed through Sarria onwards in the last few years - is it all bad now?
So is the scammer!I guess I am a big fan of a password that is ‘123456789’!
I walked the Sarria to Santiago twice in the last year. It was very busy in the mornings heading out of the usual Stage towns, but quiet if you didn't stay in one of those. None of the places we stayed were full in either the summer or winter. Yes cafes were busy in summer so we just walked on to the next one each time which was less crowded than the first open stop of the day. I did not experience pushing or any of that kind of behavior.@David Numbers on the Caminos overall are now more than four times greater than in 2005. The proportion of pilgrims choosing a long-distance Camino was still much larger then and so the change in character at Sarria would be far less evident. I passed through there in 2002 and was not really aware of it myself.
The largest concentration of the huge increase in pilgrim numbers is on the stretch from Sarria to Santiago. About 220,000 covered that stage of the Camino Frances last year according to the pilgrim office figures. There are times when it is quiet. I walked in January last year and numbers felt lower than in the previous 600+km as people were better spread out. But at peak periods it can be extremely busy. There can be upwards of 1,500 people arriving in Santiago from the Camino Frances on the busiest days of the year and 1,000 is quite normal in the summer months.
I walked mid September. The first part out of Sarria was the worst area, a flood of people. Tried waiting on the side of the trail several times to let people pass, but they just kept pouring on. Mostly school youth groups with, what looked like their own priests. Most of the cafes were crowded, but not all.As this is a niggles post - those who have passed through Sarria onwards in the last few years - is it all bad now? Or is it that there are just a few who haven't learnt the pilgrim ways? Is it really overcrowded (as in frequently no beds, etc) - surely there are positives? Pilgrim throngs and all that?
I crossed paths with an older man last year who berated me for daring to listen to music, saying that I should be listening to the birds. I just smiled sweetly at him and bid adieu, shaking my head. My camino routine is: birds and quiet in the morning till lunch, music/podcasts in the afternoon to help push me to the albergue).
I'm always struck by some people's entitlement. In that particular moment it was more about him thinking it was his job to emphatically tell me what I should or should not be doing, when I never asked for his opinion.
Tip: women love this (insert sarcasm).
My first Sarria - SdC was in 2013 in August, so peak season. Tons of people, many of them with organized tours so they would just carry a water bottle and nothing else and a bus would transport their suitcases to the next destination. Most "normal" stops were fully packed if you didn't leave early enough, because these bus tours would reserve the places in albergues for their people. Lots of boy/girlscout groups as well (it was a boyscout group who decided to switch on the light at the albergue even though there were 3 other people in the room who didn't belong to their group and wanted to sleep). I saw quite a few long-distance hikers (you get to know their faces after a while) having to go to pensions because many albergues were full with groups. One day we actually ended up walking 42 kms because we arrived in... I think Portomarin and it was fully booked, so we kept walking, but that was full as well, and then the next one, and finally the third albergue after Portomarin had some space.Is this really so? My last time passing through Sarria was 2005 and was normal Camino then, I didn't notice any difference.
As this is a niggles post - those who have passed through Sarria onwards in the last few years - is it all bad now? Or is it that there are just a few who haven't learnt the pilgrim ways? Is it really overcrowded (as in frequently no beds, etc) - surely there are positives? Pilgrim throngs and all that?
Is this a form of ‘mansplaining’?
I agree re the kitchen monopolists especially in swarms who don't just eat and leave .... they must see it as their private booking and gabble on loudly even after their food is finished...I try not to be judgmental about the baggage transport, but I have no problem denouncing the drones and selfie sticks. My tolerance is further tested by pilgrims who monopolise limited cooking and washing facilities in albergues.
Yes yes yes. InconsiderateBikes with no bells...
Add some AC/DC to the mix and I'm a happy pilgrimI ride a bike, I have a bell but I don't use it much. The reason is that on rough trails with walkers you need to keep your head up and your attention forward, and it's too quiet to be noticed if the walkers are talking.
I use loud music instead. This is because it helps with the rhythm of cycling and distracts one from the pain of the bumps and hills. It also keeps my mind from wandering into unpleasant places.
The most important reason is that while a bell is ignored, Led Zepplin works fine in letting the walkers know I'm behind them. Inconsiderate? Perhaps. But I'm gone in seconds leaving behind the silence, birdsong and the pleasure of justified annoyance, amplified by being often shared.
Hospitaleros are trained to be "on" when pilgrims are around: hospitable, ready to answer questions, respond to needs, etc. Some may do better at this; some may do worse. But that's the expectation, at least as expressed in the course I recently took. The time when they don't have to be "on" is when no pilgrims are around. That might be how your presence impedes their work or denies their repose. Sure, you may be as invisible or silent as a ghost, not preventing them from cleaning the room you are in or the bed in which you sleep, not asking any questions. But how do they know that you will be one of these rather than one of the more noticeable pilgrims? Surely you can see how much easier it is not to have to make these judgements in advance and potentially get them wrong and just have the albergue to themselves when they need to do their chores.If I'm in bed while their work is going on and then I get up at 9 am and scuttle off, in what way does this impede their work or deny them repose?
There is at least one albergue on the CF where there is really no "check in or check out" time. That is at San Juan de Bautista in Grañón. Some people arrived very early while we were still cleaning and we did not make people leave in the dark in the winter. In fact, it was always kind of good for people to see you doing all the cleaning and bed bug checking, etc. It does make it difficult when you are trying to clean the bathroom, sweep or mop when pilgrims have their things about or are trying to shower, etc. Also this albergue was never locked, even when we were out shopping or away at Mass. You're leaving your things at your own risk.Hospitaleros are trained to be "on" when pilgrims are around: hospitable, ready to answer questions, respond to needs, etc. Some may do better at this; some may do worse. But that's the expectation, at least as expressed in the course I recently took. The time when they don't have to be "on" is when no pilgrims are around. That might be how your presence impedes their work or denies their repose. Sure, you may be as invisible or silent as a ghost, not preventing them from cleaning the room you are in or the bed in which you sleep, not asking any questions. But how do they know that you will be one of these rather than one of the more noticeable pilgrims? Surely you can see how much easier it is not to have to make these judgements in advance and potentially get them wrong and just have the albergue to themselves when they need to do their chores.
One of the many benefits of having walking poles is that you can wave one out to the side on the trail so bicyclists like you have to either veer off the path or, maybe even worse for the bicyclist, have to slow down or even stop while passing pedestrians.I ride a bike, I have a bell but I don't use it much. The reason is that on rough trails with walkers you need to keep your head up and your attention forward, and it's too quiet to be noticed if the walkers are talking.
I use loud music instead. This is because it helps with the rhythm of cycling and distracts one from the pain of the bumps and hills. It also keeps my mind from wandering into unpleasant places.
The most important reason is that while a bell is ignored, Led Zepplin works fine in letting the walkers know I'm behind them. Inconsiderate? Perhaps. But I'm gone in seconds leaving behind the silence, birdsong and the pleasure of justified annoyance, amplified by being often shared.
Excuse the F-bombs, but this is a great scene involving a selfie stick.Drones, selfie sticks and luggage vans.
In the US on multi-use paths, bicyclists often just call out "On your left!" when they approach walkers. That works.Knock Knock
Who's there ?
Isabelle
Isabelle who?
Is a bell necessary on a bicycle???
HAHAHAHAHA
But "on your left" isn't universal. I imagine that in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand that cyclists pass on the right instead of the left.In the US on multi-use paths, bicyclists often just call out "On your left!" when they approach walkers. That works.
For many people here, their niggling dislike is people who talk about their niggling dislikes. Some of us get a kick from threads like this, where we can laugh about some annoying little shared experiences. I see it as mostly for fun. Others don't have to read them (except you, trecile, since you're a moderator!) Now about the unforgiveable fashion faux pas that is the Macabi skirt.... I'm KIDDING! (It's sick, I know, but I LIKE to be a little annoyed sometimes. It's better than being outraged).Other than allow people to vent, threads like this really serve no good purpose. Those of us who don't know better than to litter the trail with trash and TP, to click-clack along the Camino without rubber tips on their poles, or to deface signs and mojones won't be reading here anyway.
As far as things a like proper cup of tea, if you want all the comforts of home then why go on Camino?
Then you say "On your right!" When I'm riding a bike, I usually say "I am on your left (or right). That way, walkers aren't as likely to get confused and step in the direction the person is calling out. Especially those who are in the square dancing community.But "on your left" isn't universal. I imagine that in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand that cyclists pass on the right instead of the left.
One of the many benefits of having walking poles is that you wave one out to the side on the trail so bicyclists like you either crash or, maybe even worse for the bicyclist, have to slow down or even stop while passing pedestrians.
But if you are accustomed to having bikes pass on your left, and someone calls out "on your right" you might instinctively move to your right.Then you say "On your right!" When I'm riding a bike, I usually say "I am on your left (or right). That way, walkers aren't as likely to get confused and step in the direction the person is calling out. Especially those who are in the square dancing community.
True. But bicyclists might pass on either side, and that's why I call out "I AM on your right." Certainly it's better than not warning them of your approach at all. And also bicyclists should slow down when they approach walkers, especially on narrow roads and trails.But if you are accustomed to having bikes pass on your left, and someone calls out "on your right" you might instinctively move to your right.
I'm sorry. I shouldn't joke about that, I know. I DO actually hold my poles a little farther out to the side occasionally on a narrow road or path to avoid being startled by an unexpected speeding bike whipping by me and causing me to get hit by a car or run into a tree. I do it to make them slow down or tell me that they are coming.Assault a fellow pilgrim? What happened to the Camino spirit? Santiago would not be amused
I'm pretty sure I snore, sometimes, but I'm never awake to enjoy it. I thought of this while I was semi-asleep on the train today, and noticed a gentle, soft purring sound, almost musical in quality, which sadly abated with a sort of "oink" whenever I stirred.I enjoy all my bad habits.
Newbie here: what do you dislike about the luggage service? Just trying to understand how it might affect others since I'm considering using one for my first camino.Please do not misunderstand me. I freely recognise that people may use any service which is legally available to them. They do not need my permission or my approval for their choices and I will not criticise any individual who decides to use the services which exist. But that doesn't mean that I personally have to pretend to like the status quo.
I think I would probably fall foul of the moderators if I were to give a full explanation of my thinking on that. I feel that the advent of luggage services has probably done more to change the way the Caminos are perceived and the attitudes of many of those who walk them than any other single development apart perhaps from the rise of the internet. A marked rise in entitled behaviour and a growing tendency to trade cash for personal effort.Newbie here: what do you dislike about the luggage service?
I think it really limits where you can stay. If you are carrying your own pack and walking on your own, you can stay anywhere you want. I like to stay at the traditional places that don't accept luggage service. Last summer we had to transfer my husband's bag due to some health issues for a few days at the end of the Camino and we had to stay only at places that would accept his pack transfer. He could not help it and it wasn't his fault, but It reduces your ability to be flexible. I get nervous when my pack is not in my control. It holds everything that I have in the whole country while I am there and I like to have it with me.Newbie here: what do you dislike about the luggage service? Just trying to understand how it might affect others since I'm considering using one for my first camino.
Newbie here: what do you dislike about the luggage service? Just trying to understand how it might affect others since I'm considering using one for my first camino.
Just imagine how hazardous life would be if there were bells without bikes
Yes, I guess there is a "Camino community". The Camino is also an individual, personal experience and no one can dictate what that should be. At least not to me.By participating in a community like the Camnio we are given a lot. How we value it is of course individual, but here, as in all other "communities", there are both rights and obligations. It's not my Camino, it's ours. What can we give in return to the communinity? Make the experience as good as possible for our fellow pilgrims. Less me and more more us, or something "simple" like altruism perhaps.
You can do some volunteering work.What can we give in return to the communinity?
Toilet paper+1 for the TP trail and horrible tea. I'll add bag rustlers at silly o'clock, head torches in the dorm, rabid non drinkers. Non judgemental non drinkers are fine. I try to sit next to them.
Now for some likes to balance. People who yomp past without comment on my slow pace.
The feeling of relief when I can sit down and have a good view as an excuse, as opposed to having to sit down at a bus stop because I'm knackered. Sunshine on my shoulders. That first beer on arrival. Everyone who has ever walked me back to the track after getting lost. Probably another thousand or so things that don't occur to me at the moment.
Or just wear a mini-pad for the day.Toilet paperDrip dry like the guys if you need a pee outside. Gross? Maybe. Otherwise take it with you in a small bag. My two cents.
Okay, I'll say it out loud. Before I relieve myself, I find a smooth rock to use for wiping. Then I throw it far away. No reason for paper.Toilet paperDrip dry like the guys if you need a pee outside. Gross? Maybe. Otherwise take it with you in a small bag. My two cents.
If stones could talk, what Camino tales of tails they could tell! Tall stories perhaps, as tall as Cruz de Ferro?Okay, I'll say it out loud. Before I relieve myself, I find a smooth rock to use for wiping. Then I throw it far away. No reason for paper.
Yes. It's gross. Silly, bucket-list people. (May 2023.) I doubt I would ever do Sarria-Santiago again.Is this really so? My last time passing through Sarria was 2005 and was normal Camino then, I didn't notice any difference.
As this is a niggles post - those who have passed through Sarria onwards in the last few years - is it all bad now? Or is it that there are just a few who haven't learnt the pilgrim ways? Is it really overcrowded (as in frequently no beds, etc) - surely there are positives? Pilgrim throngs and all that?
All of the above, but especially the reserving and no-shows. Rude not just to other pilgrims (who might be turned away), but to the very people who are helping us walk our camino.Pet peeves and dislikes on the Camino?
No particular order:
1. Graffiti.....immature, selfish, destructive, illegal and based on the quotes just plain boring. I feel quite sorry for anyone who would get inspired by such banal scribble.
2. Pilgrims who put their packs on beds and on chairs in the sleeping quarters of albergues.
3. Pilgrims who inventory and pack their stuff up in the backpacks at zero dark thirty in the albergue sleeping area when there's a common area just the other side of the door. Rudeness aside, it's just plain not efficient.
4. Pilgrims who dump out all the contents of their packs on the floor of the sleeping quarters of the albergue and just leave them there for everyone to have walk around and through. Another one that makes me wonder.
5. Pilgrims who take long showers and or wash their clothes in the shower whilst there's others waiting to use one. Again, rude and ignorant thing to do.
6. Pilgrims who take a long time to wash their clothes while others are waiting. Do it quickly or go use a machine.
7. Pilgrims who make reservations at albergue and then are no shows. That's bad for the albergue and bad for fellow pilgrims who may have been turned away.
8. Bicycles or any motorized vehicles including silly a** drones on the walking path. I'm just going to leave it there.
9. Pilgrims who play their music externally on a speaker while walking, sometimes quite loudly. Rude and childish.
Ew.I ride a bike, I have a bell but I don't use it much. The reason is that on rough trails with walkers you need to keep your head up and your attention forward, and it's too quiet to be noticed if the walkers are talking.
I use loud music instead. This is because it helps with the rhythm of cycling and distracts one from the pain of the bumps and hills. It also keeps my mind from wandering into unpleasant places.
The most important reason is that while a bell is ignored, Led Zepplin works fine in letting the walkers know I'm behind them. Inconsiderate? Perhaps. But I'm gone in seconds leaving behind the silence, birdsong and the pleasure of justified annoyance, amplified by being often shared.
Clogging the entryways.Newbie here: what do you dislike about the luggage service? Just trying to understand how it might affect others since I'm considering using one for my first camino.
Along with frozen pizza~! An abomination.How about that terrible microwaved paella they advertise and sell in a lot of places along the Frances?
One thing is certain, you will not make many friends with your behavior.I ride a bike, I have a bell but I don't use it much. The reason is that on rough trails with walkers you need to keep your head up and your attention forward, and it's too quiet to be noticed if the walkers are talking.
I use loud music instead. This is because it helps with the rhythm of cycling and distracts one from the pain of the bumps and hills. It also keeps my mind from wandering into unpleasant places.
The most important reason is that while a bell is ignored, Led Zepplin works fine in letting the walkers know I'm behind them. Inconsiderate? Perhaps. But I'm gone in seconds leaving behind the silence, birdsong and the pleasure of justified annoyance, amplified by being often shared.
Hmm. When my last child left home some twenty years ago, I consoled myself with the thought that I'd never have to suffer Led Zeppelin again...Led Zepplin works fine in letting the walkers know I'm behind them. Inconsiderate? Perhaps. But I'm gone in seconds leaving behind the silence, birdsong and the pleasure of justified annoyance, amplified by being often shared.
A lot of people, and I am one of them, think it is incredibly anti-social to travel across the countryside blasting out loud rock music, so I just hope your post is ironic, or tongue in cheek or some kind of joke.I use loud music instead.
A lot of people, and I am one of them, think it is incredibly anti-social to travel across the countryside blasting out loud rock music, so I just hope your post is ironic, or tongue in cheek or some kind of joke.
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