LittleAkaloa
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Hi all, is there a New Zealand camino sub forum here or on another online platform?
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Bernie
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Bernie
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NoHi all, is there a New Zealand camino sub forum here or on another online platform?
Thanks
Bernie
Because we all know that France and Germany fought on the same side during the world wars? Sorry, but this is a poor analogy for many obvious reasons.No
Someone, at some stage lumped Kiwis in with Ozzies on a sub-forum but no one has contributed for yonks.
For me that is a bit like lumping the French in with the Germans.
Aotearoa New Zealand fought on the same side of the second world war as Russia. Should ANZ and Russia be paired on the forum?Because we all know that France and Germany fought on the same side during the world wars? Sorry, but this is a poor analogy for many obvious reasons.
It might be because having a separate subforum for every country was deemed unduly cumbersome and difficult to navigate, and not worth it for the amount of traffic these "home region" forums generate. So the decision was made to group them geographically. If you look, I think you will find that Germany and France do not have separate forums (the forum for "Routes in France" is a different beast altogether) and do, in fact, share a forum.No
Someone, at some stage lumped Kiwis in with Ozzies on a sub-forum but no one has contributed for yonks.
For me that is a bit like lumping the French in with the Germans.
At some levels that might make sense to some people, after all they are close geographically and shares some level of similarity in social mores, especially as a result of the EU standardisation process but beyond that they are different. The geography of their countries differ.
Of course there are some people in the world who think that you can get from Auckland to Sydney by driving across the Auckland Harbour Bridge but really, there is no real hope for these people.
That was a poor decision.So the decision was made to group them geographically
When I look at the statistics from the Santiago de Compostela church website I see regular evidence of pilgrims from other countries in the Oceania grouping.Perhaps that hasn't been done because no Camino groups outside of Australia and New Zealand have come forward from Oceania.
You present an excellent argument for not having separate sub-forums for individual countries. I believe that the exact same, excellent logic should be applied to the pairing of Australia with Aotearoa New Zealand.I think you will find that Germany and France do not have separate forums
For me that is a bit like lumping the French in with the Germans.
I disagree, it's actually an extremely good analogy. The immediate inference is very clear: they are geographical neighbours.Because we all know that France and Germany fought on the same side during the world wars? Sorry, but this is a poor analogy for many obvious reasons.
Hi BernieHi all, is there a New Zealand camino sub forum here or on another online platform?
Thanks
Bernie
Having individual pilgrims from Oceania I'd different from pilgrim associations in Oceania. These forums were created so that pilgrims could take about pilgrim activities at home, generally organized by pilgrim associations. I disagree that ANZ is an "afterthought".When I look at the statistics from the Santiago de Compostela church website I see regular evidence of pilgrims from other countries in the Oceania grouping.
I doubt that there is much point in having a separate Oceania sub-forum but neither do I see the point of including ANZ as an afterthought for an Australian sub-forum.
@LittleAkaloa - apologies I too should have welcomed you before joining in above!If you prefer to talk more personally then there is a direct message facility that you can use to talk with specific people.
There is, however, a forum for Europe. And there is a forum for North America where the pilgrims can post about activities organized by the CCOP, APOC, and ACSM. Are you suggesting that there be no such forum to discuss activities organized in New Zealand or Australia? A label isn't sufficient, because posts have to be in a forum in order for a label to be applied. Which forum should they go in?You present an excellent argument for not having separate sub-forums for individual countries. I believe that the exact same, excellent logic should be applied to the pairing of Australia with Aotearoa New Zealand.
As I said in a prior post, I can see no good reason for this sub-forum.
With the excellent "label" facility it is easier and more targeted to use an "Aotearoa New Zealand" label for posts that might be of particular interest to other Kiwis and a separate "Australia" label to posts that might be of interest to other Ozzies and in some rare cases it might be appropriate to use both labels on a small number of posts.
There is no pilgrim association in Aotearoa New Zealand.Having individual pilgrims from Oceania I'd different from pilgrim associations in Oceania. These forums were created so that pilgrims could take about pilgrim activities at home, generally organized by pilgrim associations. I disagree that ANZ is an "afterthought".
Clearly, one needs to be started!There is no pilgrim association in Aotearoa New Zealand.
Please would you also discuss creating separate "Aotearoa New Zealand" and "Australia" tags because I think that using these tags would be much more useful for me and hopefully other Kiwis.Clearly, one needs to be started!
I've raised the labeling of the forum with other moderators who may not be following this thread.
Which then would lead us down the path of having to make separate tags for every country.Please would you also discuss creating separate "Aotearoa New Zealand" and "Australia" tags because I think that using these tags would be much more useful for me and hopefully other Kiwis.
Not necessarily. I suggest that you listen to your "customers" when they request a new tag.Which then would lead us down the path of having to make separate tags for every country.
You, of course, are entitled to your opinion.@DoughnutANZ I think the reasons behind Ivar introducing it were sound, and in context the name makes sense:
This area of the forum is to help prospective and past Kiwi and Australian pilgrims to introduce themselves, and perhaps to make contact. It is not intended as an alternative to the general forums but to make the organisation of meetings and get-togethers easier.
You might like to include details such as the region you are from, whether you have already walked a Camino route or are planning to in the future, and which route(s).
(More personal details like real name, phone number etc might best be shared later via PM if you decide you want to make contact with someone.)
Buen Camino!
- ivar
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- Camino de Santiago Forum: Australia and New Zealand
Oceania is a term that is potentially little known to forum members outside of the area concerned. In fact many of the 14 countries within it probably don't even think of themselves as such.
Personally, I'd rather be labeled an ANZAC than a member of Oceania.
But then that doesn't exactly help either.
New Zealand and Australia have always been close, with a long and proud history of cooperation, cultural, political, security and economic ties.
On an individual level I liken it more to being part of a family: we may have our squabbles but I know that in times of true adversity they will have my back.
If we need a sub forum then it requires a name: I have no problem with it as it stands.
Interesting, so you are saying that it is not appropriate to have a tag for individual countries but somehow it is okay to have a separate sub-forum for two particular countries just so (only) the people from those countries can introduce themselves to each other.Which then would lead us down the path of having to make separate tags for every country.
I am aware. Historically however they also had significant periods of conflict - unlike us Anzacs.You, of course, are entitled to your opinion.
I recognise my Pasifika roots and I would much rather be under an Oceania label, if there is one.
Interestingly, the things that you say link ANZ and Australia apply equally to recent relationships between France and Germany. It is one of the reasons that I chose that specific pairing.
I don't think that is the purpose of the subforum. We are aware that some discussion goes on in the forum about Camino-related events and activities that are local to where pilgrims live, nor to where they walk. We don't think those are contrary to the purpose of the forumInteresting, so you are saying that it is not appropriate to have a tag for individual countries but somehow it is okay to have a separate sub-forum for two particular countries just so (only) the people from those countries can introduce themselves to each other.
Isn't that a little bit inconsistent?
Is there something unique about these two countries that justifies a separate sub-forum but not tags?