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AlanSykes

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The helpful person in the tourist office strongly recommended not walking up the Puerto del Manzanal instead of the usual route. Grudgingly admitting that the two are almost equidistant, especially if you allow for the massively greater ascent to "the far famed pass of Foncebadón". "And him?" I said, pointing to the nearby statue of 15th century guide writer and monk Hermann Künig, who went up by Manzanal. "Oh, him, he was an idiot": I paratranslate, but I think that was the gist - he added, reasonably, that there was an infrastructure of monasteries and albergues back then which no longer exists on the northern route.

Anyway, shortly before dawn this morning, watching Jupiter fade into the still almost full moon, I hadn't quite made up my mind. But the promise of a near perfect autumn day made me, again, opt for the route less travelled. And I'm so glad I did. The mountain route was a delight. To my surprise, there were yellow arrows and scallop shells almost all along the way - not having to check the direction at every junction makes for a much quicker walk. Mostly pines on the eastern approach to the pass, then a mix of oak and pine and a few chestnuts - the deciduous trees still in their autumn glory. Presumably the wind I ran into a few days ago was less ferocious here.

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To the north I could see the pass I miserably walked down from Vegarienza to Igüeña on the Olvidado almost exactly a year ago (14 November 2023, to be precise, I see from my notes here) - a horrible day in continuous driving rain on a slippery path. Today's walk would have been no fun in such conditions, and I'd have stuck to the normal route. But in the perfect, still, dry, clear it was a delight. At about the halfway point I passed the ruined Romanesque monastery of San Martín de Montealgre, where Künig almost certainly stayed. Only the rebuilt bell tower, and part of the apse, remaining.

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The bell will have sounded out along the near deserted valley for Martinmas a week ago - would love to have heard it. Most of the way there was the sound of water, but occasionally not, and then the silence was almost unnervingly intense. Very few birds - once, possible the first I've ever come across in Spain, the cawing "nevermore" of a raven.

Shortly after, the pleasant mountain village of Torre del Bierzo appeared. The bar at the edge of the village told me I was the first pilgrim they'd seen in a month, and gave me a generously large bowl of sopa de ajo as a tapa. "Pilgrim rocket fuel", somebody on here called it. Certainly kept me going.

Nervously wondering if I could make it all the way today, I had noticed there was a train back to Astorga from Torre del Bierzo at 4pm every day, if exhaustion or bad weather set in. A useful safety blanket, but not one I needed. The next few km along the río Tremor were less spectacular than before, but more autumn colours, a bit more tarmac and, eventually, the hostal Tio Pepe II, in Las Ventas de Albares, a few km before Bembibre, where I sleep tonight - I booked it from the bar in Torre del Bierzo: 35€, perfectly decent, no real alternative anyway. I assume for much of the year it would be possible to stay in Torre del Bierzo, almost exactly half way between Astorga and Ponferrada, and much nicer.
 
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Hi Alan, enjoy the breakfast at Pepe 2. I did the VK from Leon early last month(now way marked 👍). Künig was pretty clear that you don't go through Astorga but keep it "3 leagues to the South". The point of bifurcation was the "Mirador de Trobajo", the base of which about 5km outside Leon, is passed unknowingly by thousands of pilgrims every year. It was at this point you went left to bypass the "mountains of Leon" or right to Astorga.

The current VK route, however, climbs unnecessarily a significant hill to Folgosa de la Ribera rather than following the Rio Tremor to Torre del Bierzo and joining the old Roman road/Manzaneal route there rather than at Albares.

Künig was no idiot - he just liked food and wine more than hills.

Not sure of your route but if your going to Ponferrada via San Miguel de las Dueñas the @ 10 km alongside the canyon is one of the best walks I've done on any camino (Ruta La Senda de Los Canteros)
 

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Passing through Bembibre with Jupiter fading to the west, I noticed a huge sign promoting the area's festival of the "exaltación del botillo", a local speciality with protected status, involving stuffing bits of pig into a pig's lower intestine, and then smoking or otherwise curing it.

The Boeza flows placidly through Bembibre, and the Manzanal arrows continue. It's a much shorter day than yesterday, and I wasn't expecting much excitement. I was wrong. To get to its confluence with the Sil at Ponferrada, the Boeza had to cut its way through a spectacular canyon. Partly through granite cliffs and a quarry that Gaudi used for the silvery grey stone in the Bishop's Palace in Astorga. Unexpected and amazing, and much more fun than the Sil gorge coming down from the Olvidado.

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Künig was pretty clear that you don't go through Astorga but keep it "3 leagues to the South". The point of bifurcation was the "Mirador de Trobajo", the base of which about 5km outside Leon, is passed unknowingly by thousands of pilgrims every year.
I walked from the Vía de la Plata, joining at Astorga, missing Künig's detour by a day or two. Enjoyed following him last year from Villafranca del Bierzo up to Lugo and (a bit) beyond.

the @ 10 km alongside the canyon is one of the best walks I've done on any camino (Ruta La Senda de Los Canteros)
Yup, it was glorious.
 
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Crossed the Sil in the gathering dawn. Low clouds, not promising well, but failing to live up to the promise. Although the clouds were still below 1000m nearing Cornatel, so I took the short cut to Borrenes past the Ermita de la Virgen del Carmen. A bit boggy in places, but entirely off road. The view from the "banco más bonito del Bierzo", by the castle, would have been of the inside of a cloud.

At Borrenes I took the side route to Orellán and on to the mirador over Las Medulás. A few flashes of sunlight to illuminate what is arguably the world's first post-industrial landscape. Spectacular in any light.

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Walking down it was really depressing to learn about the ink disease - "la tinta" - that is killing off thousands of the chestnut trees. A horrible little fungus that eats the roots and kills the trees that have provide work and income - and beauty - here for hundreds of years. Heartbreaking.

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I had planned to stay in Las Medulás, but after an excellent lunch in Mari Fe's restaurant (fabada, yum), I felt fortified to carry on an hour or so to Puente de Domingo Flórez. The route down from the mines was a real treat - distant hazy lines of hills and valleys merging with the lines of clouds and stretching out to infinity.

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Well, until the day after tomorrow, anyway. Momentary panic in Puente de Domingo Flórez when I saw construction workers outside the La Torre hostal. "Oh no", I thought, they've closed the place for rebuilding work. Luckily they haven't, just some cosmetic work on the outside seating area. So I'm happily installed at the bar, with a charming barmaid who spent covid locked up not learning English in London, and a really delicious golden glass of Valdeorras, in the golden valley.
 
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Looking at the Aemet website last thing last night, it assured me there was a 100% chance of rain for every hour of today from 3am. So it was a very pleasant surprise, looking out shortly after 7, to see the waning gibbous moon and even Jupiter faintly visible, and a totally dry street.

The bridge over the Sil from the hostal takes you into Ourense province in Galicia. My 6th (and last, claro) autonomous region of this camino, and my 11th province. A couple of the province's distinctive (and distinctively ugly) bus shelters appeared, reminding me of several occasions unhappily sheltering in them hoping the rain, or sleat, or wind or snow would let up.

But not today. A really not bad morning to O Barco. They're putting in a massive road bridge shortly before the town, but it hasn't (yet) affected the course of the camino. It was almost sunny going along O Barco's very pretty riverside esplanade.

The otherwise deserted bar I happened to stop in was playing Aretha Franklin, and had pictures of Cab Calloway on the walls. A pleasant blues pause.

The golden valley's vines were still sporting their golden - and a few deep red - leaves.

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At A Rúa I stopped for an excellent 12€ lunch at A Lareira. Including a bottle of Valdeorras red, a mix of godello and palomino grapes, and only 12%, ideal for lunch. My first ever red godello - didn't know it existed. Now in the Pensión Fabio at the Quiroga end of town. Really very pleasant, and much (much) more comfortable than last night - cheaper as well (24€ en suite, rather than 28€ baño compartido yesterday). The forecast for tomorrow is horrible again, but I can hope that it's as wrong as yesterday's. Eventually, like a stopped clock, it will be right and I'll get drenched, but it's Galicia in November, so almost inevitable.

Are there many chestnuts affected?
Looked like most of them. Many dead, and many more dying.

At least there are lots of new young, unaffected, Ash trees here

I've had 5 huge old ash trees die (and blown down) at home (near Hadrian's Wall) and dozens of younger ones dead or dying, but many others seem to be surviving. And no trouble burning the dead ones (on an open fire), so I'll probably never be cold again as long as I live.
 
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At some point in the 4km of A Rúa's really dreary sprawl, the km markers counting down to Santiago drop under 200.

The promised rain once again failed to materialise while I was walking, but the clouds stayed low and thick for most of the day. To brighten things up a little, I put on Delibes' Galician Coppelia. It may be "the other" Galicia, but the mazurkas cheered me up a lot on a fairly long fairly dull day, and one with no coffee en route, other than a kind person offering refreshment in Montefurado, roughly a third of the way to Quiroga. The village gardens were all complete with cabbage patches, as you would expect in (this) Galicia. Occasional views of the Sil gorges appeared through the cloud, and the noise of the main road was fairly constant.

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A few signs of ancient mine workings, and a tunnel to divert the Sil to help extraction, all evidence of Rome's insatiable lust for gold. At some point I crossed into Lugo province. The Invierno is, I think, the only camino that goes through all four of Galicia's provinces.

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Sadly, many more dead and dying chestnuts.

For some reason both yesterday and today the blue camino line of the usually highly reliable mapy.cz has gone a completely different (and mostly longer) route from the yellow arrows. I stuck with the arrows.

Storm Caetano is now really chucking it down - 20mm in the last couple of hours, they say. But it looks as if tomorrow may be dry - if a bit damp underfoot.
 
May tomorrow be dry and not too messy.
Assuming you're in Quiroga?

t was really depressing to learn about the ink disease - "la tinta" - that is killing off thousands of the chestnut trees.
Looked like most of them. Many dead, and many more dying
Sadly, many more dead and dying chestnuts.
Oh, such sad sad news. The chestnuts on the Invierno are some of the most beautiful I've seen, and filling the bowl of Las Médulas.
RIP, old friends.
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Assuming you're in Quiroga?

I stayed last night at San Clodio, a couple of km on from Quiroga. Having worked out (through mapy.cz) a shorter route to Monforte de Lemos avoiding A Pobre de Brollón, and saving several km.

The climb starts a couple of hours from San Clodio, at the confluence of the Sil and Lor rivers. A PR route, marked with yellow and white. Quite tricky for the first few km, going along a cliff beside the Sil gorge, sadly not very spectacular in the low cloud, and a few fallen trees making for slow walking. But 3km in you emerge from the woods onto the beautiful vine terraces, with a safe road to take you up, and up, and up. Several 100m of ascent. In cloud most of the way, but I heard an eagle mewing at one point, and shortly after emerged above the cloud, at about 650m, into a glorious clear autumn day. Which, mostly, stayed with me all the way to Monforte de Lemos. Passing the village of Rozabales, presumably unconnected with Roncesvalles? And A Infesta, although it didn't say with what.

At Monforte I arrive just in time for a guided tour of the former Jesuit Colexio de Nosa Señora de Antiga. Some fine paintings, as well as Giambologna's wonderful funeral sculpture of the cardinal who founded the college.

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Two wonderful contrasting el Greco's: a dark, sombre, meditative San Francisco,

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and a bright, colourful, exaltant San Lorenzo.

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Also half a dozen portraits by Andrea del Sarto. Reframed, rehung and relit in the seven years since I last saw them, greatly improving them. I especially liked Santa Margarita and her watchful dragon.

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According to Vasari, when he was too short of cash to hire a model, he often used his wife as his subject matter. As Browning put it

"Nay, love, you did give all I asked, I think -
More than I merit, yes, by many times.
But had you - oh, with the same perfect brow,
And perfect eyes, and more than perfect mouth,
And the low voice my soul hears, as a bird
The fowler's pipe, and follows to the snare".
 
As a matter of interest, where did you stay in San Clodio? Hotel Las Vegas, which seemed to be the only accommodation in town, was closed when I passed last year.
 
Alan, I always enjoy your "Live Camino" postings and am enjoying your Invierno stretch having just walked much of it from Ponferrada this past September. We unfortunately missed any guided tour when we visited the beautiful college in Monforte, but wouldn't quite have appreciated the paintings to the level you did.
We did walk up to the top of the big hill in time for a tour of the tower with its many lovely views of the city below, which was my highlight in the city.
 
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As a matter of interest, where did you stay in San Clodio? Hotel Las Vegas, which seemed to be the only accommodation in town, was closed when I passed last year.
Yes, I wondered that too. But we’ve had a few recent confirmations that it’s open.

Seems it was closed for four years but both hotel and restaurant are now open. Facebook page is active.
 
A lot of tarmac today, and not a lot of coffee. All the same, passing through so many of Galicia's tiny hamlets, sometimes on golden woodland paths, was a pleasure. Especially the very short detour to the Cabo do Mundo mirador over one of the Miño's more impressive meandros.

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The Monte do Faro, tomorrow's exercise, and the highest point on the Invierno, becoming ever more daunting.

Then lovely Diomondi, with its capitals of pretty romanesque moo cows and fierce wolves.

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Last time I passed this way, seven years ago, it was on the not very effective knees God gave me: then on, as it were, their last legs. So I remember a very hard walk to Chantada, taking two full days, and going vía Escairon, involving quite a lot of pain. No such trouble today on my National Health Service ones, cruising down the gorge to cross the Miño at Belesar. Straight up the other side, making a sensible pause nearly half way up for a snack at the Adega do Veiga. Such a lovely spot, with the vine terraces stretching down to the river and up to heaven. And a glass of Treixadura from their own vines to speed me on. Not a grape I've ever heard of. As golden in colour as a Sauternes. Wonderful. An entirely unscientific and possibly over-enthusiastic sampling of wines in the last week has told me that I like the whites from the Valdeorras more, and I like the reds from the Ribera Sacra more, but that I like both just fine.

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Up and on to Chantada. Not the prettiest of towns, but it had a very relaxed and pleasant Saturday night tapas crawl. I had been planning to stop at the Yoel hostal, a real dump seven years ago, but apparently greatly reformed. But the picture on the gronze website put me off - the awning outside reading "Yoel Discoteca", which I didn't think would help sleep on a weekend. So I'm in the Hotel Mogay, as recommended by @peregrina2000 - reliable as usual, absolutely fine, so far utterly quiet. When I turned up they quoted me a price I thought a little high, but when I shrugged and turned to go, it immediately dropped by 10€ and included breakfast.

Storm Bert [sic] is due to hit Galicia tomorrow, but somebody in one of the bars I stopped in assured me most of Bert's rain would fall on the coast, leaving not much for us inland. Hope she was right.
 
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Happy memories of this stage, thank you Alan.

May you stay dry, over that hill and into Rodeiro. A pity for the forecast, because it won't be the best view up there. Perhaps you're not the bread hound I am, but here's hoping you can visit Panaderia Jesus once you're over there.
 
After the Ingles , my walking companion and I drove up, circuitously, to the amazing Playa de las Catedrales on the north coast.
It was too fast for me, after the pattern of walking. I envy those of you who walk that terrain. The first photo above that you posted is one I actually saw with my own eyes. We also took a trip in a boat and saw the incredibly impossible vines scrabbling up the steep inclines... thank you for clarifying for me where we were on your camino.
It is quite an amazing experience to visit the Playa, by the way. Depends on the tide. No charge, but numbers are restricted so it is important to book. Take swimming togs. 😁
As for NHS: may the benefits keep you going, at home in Cumbria as well as in your meanderings on the Iberian Península.
Thank you for your postings.
 
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