Locations used in "The Way"

[Bert45]

JennyH94 asked for some help in finding locations used in the film "The Way", starring Martin Sheen and directed by his son, Emilio Estevez. I put some answers on her post, but I thought it might help her and other "tragics" if I provided a list of all the locations I have been told or found by myself. In looking at the film in such detail, I found several occasions when the pilgrims (Tom, Joost, Sarah and Jack) were walking in the wrong direction. There are other scenes that occur in the wrong order. The well known one, Albergue Orisson, has been acknowledged by Estevez, who said that they noticed it too late, as the film had already been sent off to the distributors. I do not want you to think that I am criticising the film or ridiculing it. I enjoyed the film and felt it represented the Camino Francés pretty well. I walked the Camino Francés twice from StJPdP and the Arles route from Lescar before I saw the film. There are some question marks in bold in my list. If anyone knows where these locations are, I'd be pleased to hear from you.
The Youtube timings are in bold.

South California Street, Ventura. round about #89 0:00:53
Playing golf at Real Club De Golf La Herrería, Ctra Robledo de Chavela, s/n, 28200 San Lorenzo de El Escorial, Madrid, Spain 0:2:32 - 0:4:22
Yes, Spain, and you all thought it was in California!
Mojón at San Antón 0:06:26
Castrojeriz castle from the air 0:06:55-58
Rail station St Jean Pied-de-Port 0:08:18 - 0:9:01
Restaurant Oillarburu on Rue d'Eglise, St Jean PdP (Thanks, Bradypus) 0:13:03 - 0:14:41
How come Daniel was travelling with two jackets, one blue, one yellow/orange? Obviously, for cinematic purposes, it looks better that Daniel and Tom are wearing different clothes. But everyone is told to pack light for a camino, so hardly anybody would pack a jacket while wearing another.
Toms knocks on the door of the house of Captain Sebastian, 55 Rue de la Citadelle, the Municipal Auberge in reality, 0:16:16. He stays outside until 0:16:38, when we see Daniel's coffin burning. At 0:16:45 the image merges with Daniel on the Camino in the Pyrenees
The burning coffin is seen again 0:16:58 - 0:16:59, filmed at the crematorium of Logroño.
Why did he go the wrong way when standing next to a pointer to Roncevaux? 0:17:07- 0:17:10
I mean, I know it was misty (how did they arrange that?), but he was no more than a metre from the pointer.
Tom leaves Hotel Continental 0:18:45-19:14.
Captain Sebastian leads Tom to the wrong bridge 0:19:31 - 0:20:36.
Tom passes the Vierge d’Orisson (also known as the Virgin of Biakorre) 0:21:19.
Tom stops at the pointer where Daniel went perversely the wrong way and sees Daniel 0:21:54.
Goat cheese for sale (Se vende queso de cabra) Calle San Cristobal, Mezkiritz . The house in the distance is #8 Calle San Cristobal 0:30:24 - 0:30:38.
By the fountain in Mezkiritz 0:30:38 - 0:43:44
Stone by side of road at Alto de Mezkiritz, 922 m above sea level 0:31:51 - 0:31:57.
0:32:05 - 0:32:54 Tom and Jost are walking along a path, apparently towards Akerreta. But the path has a grass strip along the middle and the path from Larrasoaña to Akerreta does not have grass down the middle.
0:32:54 The sign for the Albergue to the right, the Camino to the left.
0:32:55 - 0:32:58 The view of Akerreta. This is not a view that can be seen from the path between Larrasoaña to Akerreta.
0:33:43 Tom arrives at the albergue (Hotel Akerreta). the large white house behind him can be seen on Streetview.
0:33:43 - 0:40:58 Tom at the Hotel Akerreta. He meets Sarah. He leaves at 0:40:58
Albergue Orisson 0:41:23 (out of sequence).
Scene at the bridge 42°47'14.8"N 1°21'56.1"W over the río Irati near Aoiz, just below the Itoiz reservoir, whose floodgates were opened specially for the shooting of this scene. 0:41:52 - 0:44:07 (off Camino Francés). The bridge seems to have been renovated since 2009 -- there is now no pole sticking up at the breakwater seen at 0:41:59 - 0:42:02, 0:42:08 - 0:42:22 and 0:42:23 - 0:42:28.
Portal de Francia, entrance to Pamplona 0:45:14.
That's not the Portal de Francia, actually, it's the gateway before you get to the Portal de Francia.
Caballo Blanco restaurant 0:45:14 - 0:47:42.
Pamplona town hall 0:47:43 - 0:47:56.
Zariquiegui 0:48:05 - 0:48:50 ("Wears off quick, I promise")
Alto del Perdón 0:50:08 - 0:51:19.
Santa María de Eunate (they are off Camino) glimpsed at 0:51:42 - and again at 0:52:56.
Irache. A set-up for the film in the monastery. There would be no albergue with beds essentially in the open air. 0:52:56 - 0:54:07.
The three become four when they encounter Jack 0:54:39.
I don't know where this is, and it could be anywhere.
Sansol (behind them) 1:03:59.
Entering Torres del Rio at corner of Calle Desfiladero,according to Google Maps, but Calle Jesús Ordóñez according to the sign on the corner, and Calle la Fuente 1:04:09.
Jack knocks on the door of El Ramón's house, Casa Santa Barbara, [actually 21 Calle el Sepulcro] Torres del Río at 1:04:17. There is a good view of the house at 1:04:25 - 1:04:28. They walk in from 1:04:25 to 1:04:31.
The house is at Calle el Sepulcro 21, Torres del Rio. The actual albergue, Casa Santa Barbara, owned by Ramón Sostres, was a house in Calle la Carrera, still visible on Streetview in 2012, with a white number 8 on a blue background and a black number 6 on a white background over the door. The house has since been demolished.
Road out of Torres del Río 1:07:54 - 1:08:18 walking in the wrong direction on NA-7251.

They are walking away from Torres del Río, on a road that is not part of the Camino Francés (except perhaps for bicigrinos).
The church tower in the distance at 1:08:02 - 1:08:16 is Santo Sepulcro of Torres del Río. They are walking towards Sansol.
They spend the night at Ermita de San Juan, NA-7200, 42° 34' 21.70"N, 2° 17' 45.92"W. 1:08:19 - 1:12:22. (Thanks Raggy and Kathar1na)
Village in distance Bargota (Thanks, Rodrigo) 1:12:52.
Sarah sits by a large gate with two steps, at a café 1:09. The steps belong to the church at Bargota. There is no café there. The crew must have set up a few tables and chairs. Thanks (again) Rodrigo. 1:12:54 - 1:13:07
The four pilgrims are walking through a vineyard at 1:15:25 - 1:15:42. This vineyard is on the right bank of the Río Ebro, opposite the town of Briñas. They are way off the Camino Francés and have no reason to be walking through this vineyard, certainly not between the rows of vines.
CVNE bodega, Haro (off Camino) 1:15:50 - 1:21:02.
Police station, Logroño, 1:21:03 - 1:21:29.
Church spire 1:21:31 church of Nuestra Señora de la Asunción in Briñas – thanks, Kathar1na – off Camino Francés.
Statue of a saint in a niche, over the door of the church of Santa María de Palacio, Logroño 1:21:34
Police station, Logroño, again, next morning, presumably, 1:21:38 - 1:22:39
Jack waiting by the door of Santa María de Palacio, Logroño 1:22:40 - 1:22:42
They disappear into the Albergue de Peregrinos in Rúa Vieja, Logroño 1:23:20 - 1:23:28
Steps and bollards 1:23:34 - 1:23:38 by the church of Nuestra Señora de la Asunción in Briñas -- thanks again, Kathar1na (way off the Camino Francés and north-east of Haro, so out of sequence)
Tosantos El Castaño Bar 1:24:02 - 1:24:11 (out of sequence)
Briñas (off Camino) The section begins with a brief shot of a stone cross with a yellow arrow below it at 1:24:20 on Calle Solana. The next shot (1:24:22) is further back along the Calle Solana. A minute and a half later, the group passes the same cross at 1:25:50. The river is the Río Ebro. They are walking in the wrong direction, so they must have painted the yellow arrow themselves for the film. It is not there when you find the cross with Streetview (17 Calle Solana, Briñas). walking in the wrong direction on Calle Solana 1:24:20 - 1:26:40
Sign for El Rollo, Mirador del Ebro (off Camino), opposite the stone cross, 1:25:53

They pass a distinctive building on our right at 1:24:40, but at 1:24:42 they are back on the road leading up to that building and begin to pass it again at 1:24:52.
Top of Arco de Santa María, Burgos, 1:26:47
They pass under the arch 1:26:50 - 1:26:57
Tom's rucksack stolen at Cafetería Rincón de España, Burgos, 1:28:12
At 1:28:33 the boy turns a corner and runs down Calle Llana de Adentro, Cervecería Rincón in the background. Either that boy was very, very fit, or Tom's rucksack was filled with helium!
At 1:28:37 Jack is in Calle Llana de Adentro.
At 1:28:39 Tom, Joost and Sarah are in Calle Llana de Adentro.
The only way out of Calle Llana de Adentro is through a tunnel into Calle Llana de Afuera.
Yet the boy manages to next appear at 1:28:38 on the opposite side of Calle Llana de Afuera, popping out of Calle del Cardenal Segura
At 1:28:42 the boy is running past some recycling chutes in Calle Llana de Afuera (they can be seen on Streetview).
At 1:28:43 the boy is running in the same direction along Calle Llana de Afuera, from a different angle, with the Bar El Monasterio in the background.
At 1:28:46 the boy runs down the steps of Calle del Cardenal Segura from the left . At 1:28:51 Tom starts running down the steps, coming from the right! The boy would leave Calle del Cardenal Segura at the place where we saw him 8 seconds ago.
At 1:28:55 the boy is running along Calle de Fernán González, behind the Cathedral.
At 1:29:01 Jost (the fattest and presumably most unfit of the three men), followed by Jack, is at the east entrance to Calle Arco de la Villa, in the University area, which is 2.6 km from where we last saw the boy!
At 1:29:04 Tom comes running to the entrance to Calle Arco de la Villa, but from a different direction from the other two.
At 1:29:06 Jost enters the open area while Jack and Tom are still under the archway.
At 1:29:08 we can see the arch at the west end of Calle Arco de la Villa. There is a large white and blue lorry (truck) (Ishmael's) visible behind the arch.
The chase ends 1:29:10 in Calle del Arco de la Villa in the University area.
Tom spins around, and at 1:29:17 the lorry has disappeared. At 1:29:26 it is back again. It is still there at 1:29:34. Sarah appears at 1:30:10.
At 1:30:43, the chase is over and they are back in the Rincón de España until 1:32:20.
The next scene is the party in Calle Arco de la Villa. 1:32:22 - 1:34:36
How did Jack and Jost know that they were in a gypsy area?
Leaving El Parral, Calle San Amaro 4, Burgos, 1:34:37 - 1:36:44
Stick twirling 1:36:52 - 1:36:57. James Nesbitt is good at this. He played flute along with his father in a marching band, so he will have seen a lot of this mace throwing when he was young, and no doubt tried his hand at it.
Tosantos (again) Albergue Municipal (Tosantos comes before Burgos) 1:36:58 - 1:37:13
Stick twirling (again) in the same place as before 1:37:15 -1:37:21.
Entering Hornillos del Camino 1:37:22.
Tom attends to Jost's eye (appropriately, since he's an ophthalmologist) near the church in Hornillos 1:37:25 - 1:37:33
Dormitory 1:37:34 - 1:37:41.
Rest area (área de descanso) Jost hugs Tom 1:37:42 - 1:37:56. Fuente de Praotorre, between Rabé de las Calzadas and Hornillos (Thanks to Laurie) (out of sequence, unless we consider the previous scenes, from entering Hornillos to the dormitory to be out of sequence)
They see three flagellants, one carrying a cross at 42.573326 , -5.524135 just before León (out of sequence).
A view of Hornillos del Camino in the distance from the east – it should come before Hornillos 1:34 (out of sequence).
Meal at El Molino del Camino (off Camino) near Vilviestre de Muñó 1:34
Jack stands at the front of the church/monastery/hotel of San Zoilo, Carrión de los Condes, while the other three are walking past him in the wrong direction 1:35
walking in the wrong direction on the Bercianos - Reliegos road 1:35 1:39:19 - 1:39:46
Elvis Bar, Reliegos 1:39:53 -1:39:58
Parador San Marcos, León 1:40:19 - 1:45:05
Cruz de Ferro 1:45:16 - 1:47:33
Manjarín 1:47:34 - 1:47:45 close-up 1:47:45 - 1:47:48 wide shot.
Palloza at Foncebadón (out of sequence, it comes before Cruz de Ferro) 1:48:00 - 1:48:03.
Santa Catalina de Somoza 1:48:05 walking in the wrong direction
Church where Jost rings the bell 1:48:09 -1:48:29 Santa Maria de Figueiras (Thanks to Raggy) (completely out of sequence)
O Cebreiro, the main street 1:48:33 - 1:48:57
Leaving O Cebreiro walking in the wrong direction 1:48:58 - 1:50:38.
Monte do Gozo 1:51:12 - 1:51:28
Praza do Obradoiro 1:51:44 - 1:52:00
They enter the cathedral of Santiago de Compostela 1:52:20 - 1:54:00
Daniel (Emilio Estevez) pulling on the Botafumeiro 1:57:08 - 1:57:23.
Daniel's compostela dated 5 November 2010 1:59:52
Muxía, Virxe de la Barca 2:01:24 - 2:04:47
Marrakesh 2:04:48 - 2:05:18

 

[Vacajoe]

Is the church of Santa Maria de Figueiras in Figueiras? I can’t find it on a map.

 

[Bert45]

Is the church of Santa Maria de Figueiras in Figueiras? I can’t find it on a map.

It's not quite within the red line boundary that Google Maps gives you when you search for 'Figueiras'. The church that took so long to find [Thanks, Raggy, scarcely does him justice] is a little way to the east . If I knew how to insert a screenshot, I would, but (in the 'map' format) it's in the green square at the road junction between two markers labelled Centro Scout Abeiro (north) and Euskogal (south). If you go to Google Earth and find it there, you can see the cruceiro and the bench that Jack (James Nesbitt) sits on – brilliant!

 

[JennyH94]

JennyH94 asked for some help in finding locations used in the film "The Way", starring Martin Sheen and directed by his son, Emilio Estevez. I put some answers on her post, but I thought it might help her and other "tragics" if I provided a list of all the locations I have been told or found by myself. In looking at the film in such detail, I found several occasions when the pilgrims (Tom, Joost, Sarah and Jack) were walking in the wrong direction. There are other scenes that occur in the wrong order. The well known one, Albergue Orisson, has been acknowledged by Estevez, who said that they noticed it too late, as the film had already been sent off to the distributors. I do not want you to think that I am criticising the film or ridiculing it. I enjoyed the film and felt it represented the Camino Francés pretty well. I walked the Camino Francés twice from StJPdP and the Arles route from Lescar before I saw the film. There are some question marks in bold in my list. If anyone knows where these locations are, I'd be pleased to hear from you.
The original times are from my recording of the BBC broadcast and are only approximate (not to the second). Add between 1 and 4 minutes to get the times on the Youtube version.
I've added some of the Youtube timings in bold.

South California Street, Ventura. round about #89 0:00:53
Mojón at San Antón 0:06:26
Castrojeriz castle from the air 0:06:55-58
Rail station St Jean Pied-de-Port 0:08:18 - 0:9:01
Restaurant Oillarburu on Rue d'Eglise, St Jean PdP 00:12 -13 (Thanks, Bradypus) 0:13:03 - 0:14:41
How come Daniel was travelling with two jackets, one blue, one yellow/orange?
Why did he go the wrong way when standing next to a pointer to Roncevaux? 00:16
Tom leaves Hotel Continental 0:18:45-19:14
Captain Sebastian leads Tom to the wrong bridge 0:19:31 - 0:20:36
Tom stops at the pointer where Daniel went perversely the wrong way and sees Daniel 00:20
Goat cheese for sale (Se vende queso de cabra) Calle San Cristobal, Mezkiritz . The house in the distance is #8 Calle San Cristobal 0:29 0:30:24 - 0:30:38
By the fountain in Mezkiritz 0:29 0:30:38 - 0:43:44
Stone by side of road at Alto de Mezkiritz, 922 m above sea level 00:30 0:31:51 - 0:31:57
Akerreta 00:32 – 39 0:33:33 - 0:41:02
Albergue Orisson 00:39 0:41:23 (out of sequence)
Scene at the bridge 42°47'14.8"N 1°21'56.1"W over the río Irati near Aoiz, just below the Itoiz reservoir, whose floodgates were opened specially for the shooting of this scene. 0:41:52 - 44:07 (off Camino Francés). The bridge seems to have been renovated since 2009 -- there is now no pole sticking up at the breakwater seen at 0:41:59 - 0:42:02, 0:42:08 - 0:42:22 and 0:42:23 - 0:42:28.
Portal de Francia, entrance to Pamplona 00:43
Caballo Blanco restaurant 00:43
Pamplona town hall 00:45
Zariquiegui 00:46 0:48:05 - 0:48:50 ("Wears off quick, I promise")
Alto del Perdón 00:48 – 49
Santa María de Eunate (they are off Camino) 00:50
Irache 00:50
Sansol (behind them) 1:01
Entering Torres del Rio at corner of Calle Desfiladero and Calle la Fuente 1:01
Road out of Torres del Río 1:05 walking in the wrong direction on NA-7251

The church tower in the distance at 1:08:02 - 1:08:16 is San Sepulcro. They are walking towards Sansol.
Shelter at 1:07 - 08 ?
Village in distance 1:09 Bargota (Thanks, Rodrigo) 1:12:52
Sarah sits by a large gate with two steps, at a café 1:09. The steps belong to the church at Bargota. There is no café there. The crew must have set up a few tables and chairs. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-dmFT6V4U2wup6EMuOA8FVX7bFeVLhMo/view?usp=drive_web . Thanks (again) Rodrigo.
CVNE bodega, Haro (off Camino) 1:12 – 17
Police station, Logroño, 1:17 – 20
Statue of a saint in a niche, over the door of the church of Santa María de Palacio, Logroño 1:18
Church spire 1:20 church of Nuestra Señora de la Asunción in La Briñas -- thanks, Kathar1na
Steps and bollards 1:20 also church of Nuestra Señora de la Asunción in La Briñas -- thanks again, Kathar1na
Tosantos El Castaño Bar 1:20
Briñas (off Camino) The section begins with a brief shot of a stone cross with a yellow arrow below it. A few minutes later, the group passes the same cross. The river is the Río Ebro. They are walking in the wrong direction, so they must have painted the yellow arrow themselves for the film. It is not there when you find the cross with Streetview (17 Calle Solana, Briñas). walking in the wrong direction on Calle Solana 1:20 – 22
Sign for El Rollo, Mirador del Ebro (off Camino) 1:22 1:25:53

Top of Arco de Santa María, Burgos, 1:23
Tom's rucksack stolen at Restaurante Rincón de España, Burgos, 1:24
How did Jack and Joost know that they were in a gypsy area?
Leaving El Parral, Calle San Amaro 4, Burgos, 1:32
Stick twirling 1:32. James Nesbitt is good at this. He played flute along with his father in a marching band, so he will have seen a lot of this mace throwing when he was young, and no doubt tried his hand at it.
Tosantos (again) Albergue Municipal (Tosantos comes before Burgos) 1:33
Stick twirling (again) in the same place as before 1:33
Entering Hornillos del Camino 1:33
Tom attends to Joost's eye (appropriately, since he's an ophthalmologist) near the church in Hornillos 1:33 1:37:25 - 1:37:33
Dormitory 1:33 ?
Rest area (área de descanso) Joost hugs Tom 1:33 ?
They see three flagellants, one carrying a cross 1:34 is at 42.573326 , -5.524135 just before León (out of sequence).
A view of Hornillos del Camino in the distance from the east – it should come before Hornillos 1:34 (out of sequence).
Meal at El Molino del Camino (off Camino) near Vilviestre de Muñó 1:34
Jack stands at the front of the church/monastery/hotel of San Zoilo, Carrión de los Condes, while the other three are walking past him in the wrong direction 1:35
walking in the wrong direction on the Bercianos - Reliegos road 1:35
Elvis Bar, Reliegos 1:35
León 1:36 – 1:40
Cruz de Ferro 1:40 – 1:43 1:45:16 - 1:47:33
Manjarín 1:43 1:47:34 - 1:47:45 close-up 1:47:45 - 1:47:48 wide shot.
Palloza at Foncebadón (out of sequence, it comes before Cruz de Ferro) 1:43
Santa Catalina de Somoza 1:43 walking in the wrong direction
Church where Joost rings the bell 1:48:09 -1:48:29 Santa Maria de Figueiras (thanks Raggy) (completely out of sequence)
O Cebreiro walking in the wrong direction 1:44
Monte do Gozo 1:46
Daniel (Emilio Estevez) pulling on the Botafumeiro 1:52
Daniel's compostela dated 5 November 2010 1:59:52


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Thanks so much for this thread @Bert45 ! What a terrific research job you’ve done here, with the help of other Forum members.
I, and many other ‘The Way’ tragics here on the Forum ... you know who you are! ... will appreciate having this information to hand. It’s the perfect excuse to watch what I feel is the quintessential, and the best, Camino movie once again.
Cheers from Oz -
Jenny

 

[Vacajoe]

Thanks for the advanced directions! Definitely the place and a possible side trip after reaching Santiago.

 

[Mike Blackard]

Jenny, I totally agree with you. I think I will print all of Bert45's great research above and then watch the movie again. I think I saw the movie on TV (almost by accident) in 2014. It was good, but I think I liked it because I had grown up as a kid (6 to 16) in Madrid (Air Force brat) so I could remembers the feel of the pueblos and knew Spanish. I had never heard of the camino when we lived in Spain, but the family did go to Pamplona one year for San Fermin and stayed with Spanish friends. But after the movie, there was no thought of returning to Spain to walk. Then a few years later, my younger sister invited me over to her neighborhood for a community presentation from a couple who had just finished the camino. I found it very interesting, but still nothing moved me towards going.
Then in spring of 2018 I woke up one day and decided I had to do this! Never was a walker/hiker before. Youtube and Ivar's forum taught me what I needed. Bought oversized trail runners, merino socks (first time-now I live in them) an Osprey backpack, a sleeping bag liner, vaseline and started doing 5 to 10 kilometer walks around my Kirkland, Washington neighborhood (very close to the now famous corona virus life care center). A couple of concerned college buddies took me on a couple of day hikes up in the Cascades. Bought Norwegian Airlines ($245) ticket Seattle to London in June and flew away early September 2018. Liked it so much I did it again Sept. 2019. Was going to do it yet again in 2020. Oh well, maybe 2021 Holy year instead.
So, Bert45 - Thank you for all your detailed work.
Mike

 

[tpmchugh]

Well there you go, the church question finally answered. Now, how about some mistakes in the movie apart from the obvious one at Orisson. In the opening credits, watch the map closely. Estella is marked as Estrella. When the bag goes in the river, of goes Tom leaving his walking pole on the bridge. Next day, there he is dandering along with his pole. How sad am I to have watched that movie so many times, I start to see mistakes. Also, as a Catholic, Tom should know he cannot scatter ashes. At least the priest would have pointed this out to him. Ashes must be buried in blessed ground and only kept at home with permission of the bishop. But I suppose, poetic licence kicks in as there is no story otherwise. PS loved it and brings me back to Spain each time I watch it

 

[Laurie Sanantone]

I can identify the ”rest area” before the ”three flagellants“ (1:37:43 in the movie). It’s 2.6 km from Rabe de las Calzadas going towards Hornillos, on the right side of the Camino. Brierley marks it as “Fuente de Praotorre” on his map.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

I can identify the ”rest area” before the ”three flagellants“ (1:37:43 in the movie). It’s 2.6 km from Rabe de las Calzadas going towards Hornillos, on the right side of the Camino. Brierley marks it as “Fuente de Praotorre” on his map.

 

[Bert45]

Well there you go, the church question finally answered. Now, how about some mistakes in the movie apart from the obvious one at Orisson. In the opening credits, watch the map closely. Estella is marked as Estrella. When the bag goes in the river, of goes Tom leaving his walking pole on the bridge. Next day, there he is dandering along with his pole. How sad am I to have watched that movie so many times, I start to see mistakes. Also, as a Catholic, Tom should know he cannot scatter ashes. At least the priest would have pointed this out to him. Ashes must be buried in blessed ground and only kept at home with permission of the bishop. But I suppose, poetic licence kicks in as there is no story otherwise. PS loved it and brings me back to Spain each time I watch it

Well spotted (Estrella)! About the pole, yes, he left it on the bridge, but they didn't film him going back to get it. What I can't believe is that he was able to sleep in soaking wet clothes in a soaking wet sleeping bag. Tom is a lapsed Catholic, and I don't suppose what you can and can't do with cremation ashes was covered in his Sunday School education. This was covered in one of the interviews. Which priest would have pointed this out to him? The one he met while passing Santa María de Eunate? Only if Tom had said, "I'm scattering my son's ashes along the Camino." If it didn't crop up in the conversation, no reason for the priest to correct him. I think the film could have worked if Tom did not scatter ashes along the Camino. [I think he left small piles in some pretty weird and random places. It was remarkable that the ashes were in a water-tight box for the drop into the river.] It added a bit of mystery for Sarah, and provided a bit of tension between Tom and Jost when Tom found that Jost had told Sarah what he was doing. There would have been no reason to carry on to Muxía, however, and the film could have stopped with the swinging of the botafumeiro. I love the film too. Spotting mistakes, scenes out of sequence etc is just a bit of fun.

 

[RJM]

Well spotted (Estrella)! About the pole, yes, he left it on the bridge, but they didn't film him going back to get it. What I can't believe is that he was able to sleep in soaking wet clothes in a soaking wet sleeping bag. Tom is a lapsed Catholic, and I don't suppose what you can and can't do with cremation ashes was covered in his Sunday School education. This was covered in one of the interviews. Which priest would have pointed this out to him? The one he met while passing Santa María de Eunate? Only if Tom had said, "I'm scattering my son's ashes along the Camino." If it didn't crop up in the conversation, no reason for the priest to correct him. I think the film could have worked if Tom did not scatter ashes along the Camino. [I think he left small piles in some pretty weird and random places. It was remarkable that the ashes were in a water-tight box for the drop into the river.] It added a bit of mystery for Sarah, and provided a bit of tension between Tom and Joost when Tom found that Joost had told Sarah what he was doing. There would have been no reason to carry on to Muxía, however, and the film could have stopped with the swinging of the botafumeiro. I love the film too. Spotting mistakes, scenes out of sequence etc is just a bit of fun.

In regards to the clothes and sleeping bag after the pack takes a dunk in the river, it would be possible that the Tom character, whilst not an experienced backpacker, is a person of details. He may have packed everything into waterproof bags within the pack (just as I do). No matter how wet the outside of my pack gets, my contents are dry, and that would include a sleeping bag. Those waterproof contents would give the pack buoyancy as well.
As far as his walking stick goes, he could have easily simply walked the distance back to the bridge and retrieved it. That is an easy one.

 

[Bert45]

We saw Tom unpacking Daniel's rucksack in his hotel room. There was no indication that Daniel had packed his gear in plastic bags, though we don't see everything unpacked. Tom carried the sleeping bag in a blue sack on the outside of the rucksack (on the right-hand-side), as Daniel did. It was not in a plastic bag. Daniel's ashes were in a Ziploc (TM?) plastic bag, but I would bet that, by the time the rucksack fell in the river, Tom was not resealing the bag very carefully. When Tom woke up the next morning we could see that he had been wearing a poncho in the sleeping bag, so that is perhaps how he was able to keep dry inside the wet bag. Still not very comfortable, though, as the poncho would not cover his feet. But we weren't there, so we don't know, and it's a film, not a documentary.

 

[RJM]

We saw Tom unpacking Daniel's rucksack in his hotel room. There was no indication that Daniel had packed his gear in plastic bags, though we don't see everything unpacked. Tom carried the sleeping bag in a blue sack on the outside of the rucksack (on the right-hand-side), as Daniel did. It was not in a plastic bag. Daniel's ashes were in a Ziploc (TM?) plastic bag, but I would bet that, by the time the rucksack fell in the river, Tom was not resealing the bag very carefully. When Tom woke up the next morning we could see that he had been wearing a poncho in the sleeping bag, so that is perhaps how he was able to keep dry inside the wet bag. Still not very comfortable, though, as the poncho would not cover his feet. But we weren't there, so we don't know, and it's a film, not a documentary.

We weren't there? Nobody was there, lol. It's not real.

 

[Bert45]

We weren't there? Nobody was there, lol. It's not real.

Martin Sheen and a film crew were there.

 

[NorthernLight]

Martin did not spend a night sleeping on the side of the river. He and the crew had warm beds in a nice hostal/hotel/casa rural.

He and Emilio apparently are the same foot size. I read their autobiography.

 

[VNwalking]

Martin did not spend a night sleeping on the side of the river. He and the crew had warm beds in a nice hostal/hotel/casa rural.

Multi-star hotel, most likely.
It didn't happen, and was created in the editing studio...speaking as though it did is like imputing reality to mirages.

 

[Bert45]

Of course we know that Martin Sheen did not sleep in a wet sleeping bag by the side of the river, but Tom Avery did, or was supposed to have done, in this fictional account of one man's Camino. As I said, it's a film, not a documentary. But I was just pointing out a difficulty I had in accepting the story, i.e. not being able to 'suspend disbelief'. Like spotting when they walk in the wrong direction or where scenes are out of sequence or off the camino, it's just a bit of fun. I am not taking it seriously.

 

[Aniello]

[QUOTE = "Bert45, post: 844589, membro: 76926"]
Ovviamente sappiamo che Martin Sheen non ha dormito in un sacco a pelo bagnato lungo il fiume, ma Tom Avery ha, o avrebbe dovuto farlo, in questo racconto immaginario del Camino di un uomo. Come ho detto, è un film, non un documentario. Ma stavo solo sottolineando una difficoltà che avevo nell'accettare la storia, cioè non "sospendere l'incredulità". Come avvistare quando camminano nella direzione sbagliata o dove le scene sono fuori sequenza o fuori dal camino, è solo un po 'divertente. Non lo sto prendendo sul serio.
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Sai m hanno girato la scena della festa notturna degli zingari a burgos. Grazie l indirizzo di quel cortile

 

[Bert45]

Benvenuto, Aniello! Indirizzo del cortile -- Calle del Arco de la Villa, Burgos. I will add it to the list of locations.

 

[Aniello]

[QUOTE = "Bert45, post: 844597, membro: 76926"]
Benvenuto, Aniello! Indirizzo del cortile - Calle del Arco de la Villa, Burgos. Lo aggiungerò all'elenco delle posizioni.
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Grazie mille ho fatto mi mancava. Grazie ancora

 

[Aniello]

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[QUOTE = "Bert45, post: 844597, membro: 76926"]
Benvenuto, Aniello! Indirizzo del cortile - Calle del Arco de la Villa, Burgos. Lo aggiungerò all'elenco delle posizioni.
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Grazie mille ho fatto mi mancava. Grazie ancora
[/CITAZIONE]
Bert ..sai dirmi anche la posizione dove hanno dormito all aperto dopo l uscita da Torres del rio? Grazie

 

[JohnLloyd]

Thank you for this, Bert.

Any excuse to watch the film again is eagerly accepted and I very much enjoyed walking “The Way” last night accompanied by your notations.

I’ve just finished writing a book of my Camino and the combination of all these fabulous reminders has been very uplifting indeed.

Thanks!

 

[Bert45]

Thank you for this, Bert.
Any excuse to watch the film again is eagerly accepted and I very much enjoyed walking “The Way” last night accompanied by your notations.
I’ve just finished writing a book of my Camino and the combination of all these fabulous reminders has been very uplifting indeed.
Thanks!

You're welcome, John

 

[Caligal]

Well there you go, the church question finally answered. Now, how about some mistakes in the movie apart from the obvious one at Orisson. In the opening credits, watch the map closely. Estella is marked as Estrella. When the bag goes in the river, of goes Tom leaving his walking pole on the bridge. Next day, there he is dandering along with his pole. How sad am I to have watched that movie so many times, I start to see mistakes. Also, as a Catholic, Tom should know he cannot scatter ashes. At least the priest would have pointed this out to him. Ashes must be buried in blessed ground and only kept at home with permission of the bishop. But I suppose, poetic licence kicks in as there is no story otherwise. PS loved it and brings me back to Spain each time I watch it

The Way was made in 2010 the rule banning scattering ashes was not made until 2016.

 

[Bert45]

The Way was made in 2010 the rule banning scattering ashes was not made until 2016. – The film was actually made in 2009, released in 2010. How come nobody has pointed out that the rule changed in 2016 till now? People have been carping about that, seems like forever. Thank you, Caligal. I feel almost certain that Martin Sheen was asked about this before 2016 and defended Tom's scattering of the ashes of Daniel. Would you be interested to know that the cremation scene was filmed in Logroño?

 

[Caligal]

The Way was made in 2010 the rule banning scattering ashes was not made until 2016. – The film was actually made in 2009, released in 2010. How come nobody has pointed out that the rule changed in 2016 till now? People have been carping about that, seems like forever. Thank you, Caligal. I feel almost certain that Martin Sheen was asked about this before 2016 and defended Tom's scattering of the ashes of Daniel. Would you be interested to know that the cremation scene was filmed in Logroño?

OMGosh! Funny story I was walking from Viana to Logrono in April 2018. It was full on raining and kinda chilly as I got close to the river I could smell what I thought was coffee roasting. Just what I was needing imagine my disapointment when I got to the building to read “crematorio” and this was a perfect ending.

 

[Bert45]

Here's another funny thing: as I walked through several towns I would see a building with a sign over it saying "Tanatorio". I thought, "That's a clever pun; it's a portmanteau word combining the Spanish for 'sanatorium' with tanning – it's a tanning salon. Like 'Tanfastic' or 'Tanimal'. Then I found out what it meant!

 

[rappahannock_rev]

Would you be interested to know that the cremation scene was filmed in Logroño?

Yes I would. Details, please!

 

[Bert45]

Yes I would. Details, please!

Oh! That's about it, really. The crematorium scene was filmed in Logroño. [Apparently] Another example of where the film was not shot 100% in sequence. It was scene 19 in the film, but tabled after 101, 102, 103 and 104 (Logroño Police Headquarters) and before scene 94 (Camino Countryside 2). I say "scene", but the column is headed "SEC." This is what copy and paste gives, if you don't know how to make it work properly:
19 CREMATORIUM CREMATORIO MUNICIPAL Ayto. LOGRONO
LOGRONO
There is another reference to a crematorium in the locations list:
22 EXT. HOTEL HOTEL CONTINENTAL Pierre Chiquirin
20 CREMATORIUM/SALON Avenue Renaud Tel +33 5 59 37 00 25
Tel +33 5 59 37 00 25
SJPDP
The Hotel Continental is at 3 Avenue Renaud SJPdP, but, as far as Google can tell me, there is no crematorium in SJPdP.
The Locations List seems to have been prepared before the film was filmed ("before the movie was filmed" sounds better), as several places are "TBD", which I assume means "To be determined".

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Would you be interested to know that the cremation scene was filmed in Logroño?

Yes I would. Details, please!

Here is something related to that. When Sheen identifies the body of "Daniel" he is reacting to seeing his grandson, Emilio's son, in the body bag. Sheen didn't know that he was there. Emilio was too busy directing to be there himself.

 

[Bert45]

Here is something related to that. When Sheen identifies the body of "Daniel" he is reacting to seeing his grandson, Emilio's son, in the body bag. Sheen didn't know that he was there. Emilio was too busy directing to be there himself.

You have got that wrong, Rick. In an interview, one of the extras, on my copy of the DVD (123 minutes) Sheen says it was Emilio, his son, in the body bag. You are right in saying Sheen did not know Emilio would be in the bag, he says that in the interview.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

You have got that wrong, Rick.

Don't scare me. I know I'm getting old but I don't want to think that I'm losing it.

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What was it like portraying a character who has lost his son?
Martin: For any parent, the hardest thing is the death — even the imagined death — of a child. All of us have milestones that leave marks, and we store those. For an artist, this is like a wellspring. When the time comes, the artist extracts a memento from that spring.


In the movie, when we shot the scene of me in the morgue, the film showed Emilio in the body bag, but that’s not what I saw from my point of view. Emilio was directing, and when he unzipped the bag, it was his own son, Taylor, in the body bag. My character is stoic. He rarely lets his emotions show. Emilio did that to pull emotion from me. The character goes through a long period of healing and community over his entire journey on the Camino. Every time I see the ending, it hits me in an emotional place. If this was the last film I ever did, I’d be happy.


Was it difficult to do a movie that looks favorably on God?

 

[Peregrinopaul]

Don't scare me. I know I'm getting old but I don't want to think that I'm losing it.

You're not.
An interesting interview, Rick, which I hadn't read before. But you're both right; Martin seemingly contradicts himself. Maybe it happened both ways, once in a rehearsal run-through.

 

[Bert45]

It had to be both ways. He says that the film shows Emilio in the body bag, which it does (fourth shot in the "morgue") (unless Taylor has a beard like his father's). The list of locations shows that three scenes were to be shot in the morgue: 12, 13 and 14, but, in fact, five scenes were shot (on my count). I don't know how film-makers count these things. There four changes of camera angle (making five scenes) while they were in the "morgue", but two of the scenes (2 and 5) could be the same shot, with shots 3 and 4 edited into it. According to the list, the scenes were (to be) shot in the Mairie (Town Hall) of SJPdP, standing in for the Gendarmerie Station.

 

[Kathor1]

There is another reference to a crematorium in the locations list:

• 22 EXT. HOTEL HOTEL CONTINENTAL Pierre Chiquirin
• 20 CREMATORIUM/SALON Avenue Renaud Tel +33 5 59 37 00 25

The Locations List seems to have been prepared before the film was filmed ("before the movie was filmed" sounds better), as several places are "TBD", which I assume means "To be determined".

Erm ... what's this with a numbered locations list? First time I see this mentioned. There is a numbered list of locations somewhere?

 

[Bert45]

Erm ... what's this with a numbered locations list? First time I see this mentioned. There is a numbered list of locations somewhere?

Oh, yes! Didn't I mention that? I'm sure I said it somewhere on one of these threads, that I contacted the location manager (Sergio Díaz Bermejo – search the forums for the name) and he emailed me the draft script and the list of locations, but these were no use in finding the church (because that scene was not in the script), and no use in finding the shelter, as the box showing the location for those scenes was blank. Neither are any use for finding the other locations I am looking for. The locations list sometimes says 'TBD' or 'Camino Countryside'.

 

[VNwalking]

The locations list sometimes says 'TBD' or 'Camino Countryside'.

Haha, how incredibly helpful! But seriously— I have to say Bert, you've done an amazing job and sourcing most of those places...

 

[Bert45]

Haha, how incredibly helpful! But seriously— I have to say Bert, you've done an amazing job and sourcing most of those places...

As I said in my Post #13 on another thread ( ... help locate the pilgrim shelter in The Way): I do not take credit for actually finding most of them, hardly any of them, in fact. I just compiled the list and asked readers to find the ones I didn't know.
I think I would take almost all the credit for the scenes near Briñas, walking along the Río Ebro on Calle Solana. But it was Kathar1na who identified the church at Briñas which put me onto it. A lot of them were already "out there" like caminofacil, which gives 18 locations. It's amazing how it's grown, like Topsy.
Should I identify the streets that the gypsy boy runs along in Burgos?

 

[VNwalking]

Should I identify the streets that the gypsy boy runs along in Burgos?

Go for broke!

 

[C clearly]

Should I identify the streets that the gypsy boy runs along in Burgos?

Why?

 

[VNwalking]

Because they're there?
And in the movie...
So people who are really into it would probably enjoy being able to walk there. A pilgrimage within a pilgrimage!

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Should I identify the streets that the gypsy boy runs along in Burgos?

Do it, if you think it would be fun.

Not looking this up but I'm sure you have the spot where the pack is handed back to Tom, the west exit of the El Parral park. I like this scene because if you walk across the street from the gate you will be at the place where Peg and I spent our third night in Burgos, Hotel Puerta Romeros.

 

[rappahannock_rev]

Do it, if you think it would be fun.

Not looking this up but I'm sure you have the spot where the pack is handed back to Tom, the west exit of the El Parral park. I like this scene because if you walk across the street from the gate you will be at the place where Peg and I spent our third night in Burgos, Hotel Puerta Romeros.

West end of El Parral Park, dead on! And if you go just a tad further west and turn left down a side street you can visit the courtyard where the gypsy bonfire scene was shot.

I was there in September -- wasn't the same without the bonfire, sigh!

 

[Bert45]

I've done it!

 

[Kanga]

@Bert45 what a brilliant effort and what fun for those of us under lock down. I'll look forward to watching the film again, with your notes in hand. I'm one of the lucky ones who encountered Martin Sheen and crew when the film was being made (in Torres del Rio, and again in Burgos). In person Martin Sheen was charming.

 

[Bert45]

Thanks, Kanga. I have noticed that throughout the (draft) script, the Dutchman is referred to as "Jost". The script also gives his surname as "Dewitt". But in the credits he is called "Joost". I have checked online with Dutch boys' names and there is "Jost", but not "Joost". I have changed all the references to "Joost" to "Jost" in Post #1 on this thread.

 

[Bert45]

In the movie, when we shot the scene of me in the morgue, the film showed Emilio in the body bag, but that’s not what I saw from my point of view. Emilio was directing, and when he unzipped the bag, it was his own son, Taylor, in the body bag. ...
That could be a slip of the tongue (saying that Emilio unzipped the bag) on Martin's part, because Tchéky Karyo (Captain Henri) was there, so it would seem logical that he would have unzipped the bag. I would have thought that Sheen's reaction would have been more emotional if he had seen Emilio, his own son, in the bag. Seeing Taylor would have been more of a surprise – a shock – that might have provoked laughter at the trick being played on him. However, that would require two slips of the tongue ('he' and 'his own son'). I'm just speculating.

 

[Bert45]

Also, as a Catholic, Tom should know he cannot scatter ashes. At least the priest would have pointed this out to him. Ashes must be buried in blessed ground and only kept at home with permission of the bishop. But I suppose, poetic licence kicks in as there is no story otherwise.

I just read an interview with Estevez and Sheen:
One concern some Catholics will have is that the character of Tom leaves his son’s ashes scattered along the Camino. The Church says we shouldn’t do this, as it doesn’t respect the deceased. How do you respond to that concern?
Emilio: We had a screening with the Fellowship of Catholic University Students, and that was one of their concerns. The character of Tom is a lapsed Catholic. He wouldn’t be formed [informed?] in canon law. Furthermore, it’s said that St. James’ remains in Compostela are below the head. His head may very well be elsewhere. His body is not intact. So, we thought that if there’s ever a movie that might get a pass, this would be it.
This was obviously before the 2016 decree. So what's the true story? Any Catholics out there? Could you scatter ashes before 2016 or not?

 

[Kathor1]

This was obviously before the 2016 decree. So what's the true story?

The scattering of ashes had never been allowed within the Catholic Church. The Vatican's guidelines of 2016 merely drove this message home because the scattering of ashes had become so popular. They had always distinguished between the remains of a normal mortal and the remains of a saint whose relics are allowed to be separated and moved to different locations. Emilio Estevez' reference to Saint James is a bit ridiculous.

Nobody expects Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez to be experts in canon law or experts in many other subjects for that matter. That's what you have experts and consultants for. But, let's not forget, it's a movie. It's just a movie.

 

[nycwalking]

Bert,

Thank you so much.

Awaiting more tidbits.

In the meantime I will rewatch The Way.

 

[Aniello]

The scattering of ashes had never been allowed within the Catholic Church. The Vatican's guidelines of 2016 merely drove this message home because the scattering of ashes had become so popular. They had always distinguished between the remains of a normal mortal and the remains of a saint whose relics are allowed to be separated and moved to different locations. Emilio Estevez' reference to Saint James is a bit ridiculous.

Nobody expects Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez to be experts in canon law or experts in many other subjects for that matter. That's what you have experts and consultants for. But, let's not forget, it's a movie. It's just a movie.

Dove si trova la casa del capitano Sebastian in saint jean pied de port. Scena di tom che va a chiedere di far cremare suo figlio

 

[Bert45]

Dove si trova la casa del capitano Sebastian in saint jean pied de port. Scena di tom che va a chiedere di far cremare suo figlio

It is 55 Rue de la Citadelle (according to the list of locations). It is actually the Municipal Auberge of SJPdP. I'll add it.

 

[Aniello]

It is 55 Rue de la Citadelle (according to the list of locations). It is actually the Municipal Auberge of SJPdP. I'll add it.

Grazie bert sei un mago! GraIe

 

[JillGat]

Multi-star hotel, most likely.
It didn't happen, and was created in the editing studio...speaking as though it did is like imputing reality to mirages.

You know as well as I do that there is no such thing as "reality." All we know are mirages.

 

[JillGat]

The scattering of ashes had never been allowed within the Catholic Church. The Vatican's guidelines of 2016 merely drove this message home because the scattering of ashes had become so popular. They had always distinguished between the remains of a normal mortal and the remains of a saint whose relics are allowed to be separated and moved to different locations. Emilio Estevez' reference to Saint James is a bit ridiculous.

Nobody expects Martin Sheen and Emilio Estevez to be experts in canon law or experts in many other subjects for that matter. That's what you have experts and consultants for. But, let's not forget, it's a movie. It's just a movie.

I can't speak for anywhere else in the world, but where I live, in New Mexico, USA, most of the Catholics I know follow much of the church dogma but, when it comes down to it, they make adjustments as independent persons and figure that God understands.

 

[VNwalking]

You know as well as I do that there is no such thing as "reality." All we know are mirages.

Haha!
There is no 'Touché!' button.

 

[tpmchugh]

The Way was made in 2010 the rule banning scattering ashes was not made until 2016. – The film was actually made in 2009, released in 2010. How come nobody has pointed out that the rule changed in 2016 till now? People have been carping about that, seems like forever. Thank you, Caligal. I feel almost certain that Martin Sheen was asked about this before 2016 and defended Tom's scattering of the ashes of Daniel. Would you be interested to know that the cremation scene was filmed in Logroño?

No, 2016 was not a new rule, it was a restating of Catholic teaching. Not sure of the date but cremation has only become an accepted practice in relatively recent times, certainly during my lifetime and I was certainly an adult when it happened. Because it was a new idea in Catholicism, there were very strict rules attached but as time went on people got caught up in what was popular so 2016, the rules needed to be restated. There is one exception but I am not sure of the required circumstances but scattering at sea is possible. But then as I said in my original post, without the poetic licence on this point, there would not really have been a story to bind the whole thing together. Isnt it amazing the things we talk about when locked down

 

[Deleted member 73526]

When I get the chance to walk the Camino Frances, I think I'm gonna collect all of the ashes along the route that I can find. Some of them are bound to be Daniel's. I can finance my pilgrimage by selling these genuine relics to fellow followers of The Way.

 

[Bert45]

No, 2016 was not a new rule, it was a restating of Catholic teaching. Not sure of the date but cremation has only become an accepted practice in relatively recent times, certainly during my lifetime and I was certainly an adult when it happened. Because it was a new idea in Catholicism, there were very strict rules attached but as time went on people got caught up in what was popular so 2016, the rules needed to be restated. There is one exception but I am not sure of the required circumstances but scattering at sea is possible. But then as I said in my original post, without the poetic licence on this point, there would not really have been a story to bind the whole thing together. Isn't it amazing the things we talk about when locked down

Tom was originally going to take Daniel's body (uncremated – it was not stated in what form he was going to take Daniel back, but I assume he was going to take the body back for burial) back to California. After unpacking Daniel's rucksack, seeing his (Daniel's) photos of his travels, he suddenly came to the idea that he would take "Daniel" to Santiago, which was, as it turned out, Daniel's last wish. He obviously could not carry a dead body for four or five weeks, so Daniel's body had to be cremated. But, as far as I am concerned, there was no need for Tom to deposit handfuls of ashes here and there to "bind the whole thing together". How would he know how much to leave each day? He would not know how long it would take him. Suppose he ran out of ashes by the time he got to León? Surely Tom's original idea was to take "Daniel" – all of Daniel, even in the form of ashes – to Santiago. Why it then occurred to him to leave a handful of ashes at the place near the sign for Roncevaux where he had a vision of Daniel, we'll never know. He was alone then – Jost was not there to be mystified by Tom's action. As I said many posts ago, it gave a reason for conflict with Jost later for telling Sarah what Tom was doing, but that didn't last long.
Isn't it amazing the things we talk about when locked down? – you said it, tpmchugh!

 

[Aniello]

It is 55 Rue de la Citadelle (according to the list of locations). It is actually the Municipal Auberge of SJPdP. I'll add it.

Bert dove è stata girata la scena di tom ed i suoi amici che avanzano nei filari dei vigneti. Grazie
Bert where the scene of tom and his friends were filmed advancing in the rows of vineyards. Thank you

 

[Bert45]

Bert dove è stata girata la scena di tom ed i suoi amici che avanzano nei filari dei vigneti. Grazie

While I would (sort of) love to know where they took every step – once you've started on this thing, it's hard to know when, or where, to stop – but I cannot expect to find locations with no identifiable landmark. One vineyard is pretty much like every other vineyard (imo). The real CF does not suggest that you walk along the rows of vines as the pilgrims do at 1:15:28 - 1:15:44, although the CF does go through vineyards. However, my mate, Rodrigo, reckons he knows where this is, and, when I can find his email, I'll let you know.

 

[Bert45]

Bert dove è stata girata la scena di tom ed i suoi amici che avanzano nei filari dei vigneti. Grazie

Here is what Rodrigo wrote to me:
01:15:25 That landscape you see of the vineyards with a trail in the middle going uphill with a structure at the top to the right of the trail and a tree further to the right are the vineyards just across [the river from] the village of Briñas. The vineyards are located in a meander of the Ebro river which in this stretch is very winding. This vineyards belong to the winery López de Heredia and it was Don Rafael López de Heredia y Landeta who began construction of an Arab castle atop the hill which he wanted to use as a “Château” in the French viticultural sense of the word. The location of this vineyard of 100 hectares is called “Tondón” and it is a very ancient site which was inhabited already in pre-Roman antiquity. The outbreak of World War I and the death of one of his sons at the age of 17 caused Rafael to abandon his dream of building a château there seven years after starting work in 1907. The winemaking family, owner of more than 50% of the Tondón meander territory, maintains the idea of completing the construction of the castle, although this is a long-term project. The view here used in “The Way” must be an aerial view as you can also see another structure in the background in the distance on the left. As I photographed this view from ground level, you do not see that 2nd structure on my photos.
I am almost certain that Rodrigo is talking about the view you see at exactly 1:15:25 which merges at 1:15:27 with the four pilgrims walking along the rows of vines.

Here is a screenshot from Google Streetview:

You can see the yellow arrow pointing in the right direction near the bottom of the screen.There is a tall narrow tree (poplar?) on this side of the river (Ebro) in the way, but, on the left of it, you can see a long low building with a flat top on the horizon, and on the right of it there is a tree on the horizon. There are lines of vines running down from the horizon. If you go to Google Earth you might get a better view. This is the scene from "The Way":


Here is another view from 10 Calle Solana on Streetview, zoomed in a bit:

That's a pretty good match!

 

[Aniello]

Here is what Rodrigo wrote to me:
01:15:25 That landscape you see of the vineyards with a trail in the middle going uphill with a structure at the top to the right of the trail and a tree further to the right are the vineyards just across [the river from] the village of Briñas. The vineyards are located in a meander of the Ebro river which in this stretch is very winding. This vineyards belong to the winery López de Heredia and it was Don Rafael López de Heredia y Landeta who began construction of an Arab castle atop the hill which he wanted to use as a “Château” in the French viticultural sense of the word. The location of this vineyard of 100 hectares is called “Tondón” and it is a very ancient site which was inhabited already in pre-Roman antiquity. The outbreak of World War I and the death of one of his sons at the age of 17 caused Rafael to abandon his dream of building a château there seven years after starting work in 1907. The winemaking family, owner of more than 50% of the Tondón meander territory, maintains the idea of completing the construction of the castle, although this is a long-term project. The view here used in “The Way” must be an aerial view as you can also see another structure in the background in the distance on the left. As I photographed this view from ground level, you do not see that 2nd structure on my photos.
I am almost certain that Rodrigo is talking about the view you see at exactly 1:15:25 which merges at 1:15:27 with the four pilgrims walking along the rows of vines.

Here is a screenshot from Google Streetview:
View attachment 73616
You can see the yellow arrow pointing in the right direction near the bottom of the screen.There is a tall narrow tree (poplar?) on this side of the river (Ebro) in the way, but, on the left of it, you can see a long low building with a flat top on the horizon, and on the right of it there is a tree on the horizon. There are lines of vines running down from the horizon. If you go to Google Earth you might get a better view. This is the scene from "The Way":
View attachment 73617

Here is another view from 10 Calle Solana on Streetview, zoomed in a bit:
View attachment 73618
That's a pretty good match!

Grazie bert. Sei un vero investigatore...grazie
Thanks bert. You're a real investigator ... thanks

 

[Bert45]

If you see the large building behind Tom as he is about the enter the garden of the Hotel Akerreta, at 0:33:43

you can find it on Streetview, shown at the right of the frame from the film. The position of the camera on Streetview is near the front entrance to the hotel, of which a bit can seen on the left of the screenshot.
The next screenshot from Streetview is from the same spot as the one above:

I don't think you can tell, from the film, if he was walking in the right direction or not. He would have heard the sounds of conversation from the path. What does not fit the film with reality is that Jost and Tom were walking along a path with a strip of grass down the middle before Tom split from Jost. The path from Larrasoaña to Akerreta does not have grass down the middle anywhere. The sign for the albergue, pointing to the right, while the sign for the camino points to the left, cannot be seen from the path from Larrasoaña, if it exists at all. The view of Akerreta from that point is not a view that can be seen from the path from Larrasoaña. Unfortunately Sv did not go on the camino from Akerreta to Zuriain and on to Pamplona, but the view from the NA-2338 looks more like the view that Tom has at 0:32:58. So it looks as though he is walking from the direction of Zuriain to Akerreta.

 

[Saint Mike II]

Correct - I walked this section of the Camino in May 2017. The path with the Albergue sign is an "extra" added by the film crew. I think the section where Tom and Jost separate was filmed on one of the little side tracks. The Akerreta building (its actually a private hotel/casa rural. I tried to book a night there in 2017 but it was booked out the only night I was going to be there). I did take some photos which I think show the balcony Tom was on looking down at our "matador"?? I will see if I can find it.

 

[mette]

If you see the large building behind Tom as he is about the enter the garden of the Hotel Akerreta, at 0:33:43

you can find it on Streetview, shown at the right of the frame from the film. The position of the camera on Streetview is near the front entrance to the hotel, of which a bit can seen on the left of the screenshot.
The next screenshot from Streetview is from the same spot as the one above:

I don't think you can tell, from the film, if he was walking in the right direction or not. He would have heard the sounds of conversation from the path. What does not fit the film with reality is that Jost and Tom were walking along a path with a strip of grass down the middle before Tom split from Jost. The path from Larrasoaña to Akerreta does not have grass down the middle anywhere. The sign for the albergue, pointing to the right, while the sign for the camino points to the left, cannot be seen from the path from Larrasoaña, if it exists at all. The view of Akerreta from that point is not a view that can be seen from the path from Larrasoaña. Unfortunately Sv did not go on the camino from Akerreta to Zuriain and on to Pamplona, but the view from the NA-2338 looks more like the view that Tom has at 0:32:58. So it looks as though he is walking from the direction of Zuriain to Akerreta.

I stayed there in 2017 and simply loved the place hope I can come back soon

 

[Aniello]

I don't know if you get notified of changes I've made in the list of Locations used in "The Way", so I'm using this to let you know I've expanded the bit about Akerreta, Torres del Río and the vineyard near Briñas. I've had to ask a moderator to add them as my time for editing had passed. I would like to have added a couple of screenshots in Akerrata, but I couldn't do that in a conversation. You can find them here: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/akerreta-problem.67453/
We've had some interesting sidetracks along "The Way" It all started with 'find the church', then 'find the shelter', then find the house of El Ramón. We'd like to know more about Ramón Sostres, but that can go on a new thread.

Ok bert inizia tu una nuova discussione io sto cercando la data dell infortunio di ramon..e dove e sepolto..mi intriga molto

Ok bert start a new discussion I am looking for the date of the ramon injury..and where he is buried .. he intrigues me a lot

 

[Bert45]

Have you seen this?:
It's on the CF.

 

[Aniello]

Have you seen this?: View attachment 73915
It's on the CF.

Sei tremendooooo....mi hai messo un'altra pulce nell orecchio....

You are tremendooooo .... you put another flea in my ear ....

 

[Bert45]

It seems that there is, or was, at least one other Ramón Sostres, who played for Barcelona. That makes searching the internet a bit more challenging.

 

[Aniello]

It seems that there is, or was, at least one other Ramón Sostres, who played for Barcelona. That makes searching the internet a bit more challenging.

bert ti giro altre foto di akerreta se ti possono servire

bert I'll turn more photos of akerreta if they can serve you

 

[Robo]

We stayed there in 2018. Loved it.

 

[Bert45]

At Post #67 you will see a reply to a post I made (deleted from this thread) about another thread headed "Akerreta Problem". That thread has been merged with this one, so the link to "Akerreta Problem" does not work, as that thread no longer exists. The screenshots I would have added to the list, mentioned in #67, are at Post #64.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

The YouTube video in English we have been using is no longer available. There are two others, one in Spanish and one that appears to be and sounds to be in a Slavic language. The timings may be off from what we have been posting too.

 

[rappahannock_rev]

Have you seen this?: View attachment 73915
It's on the CF.

I know it's in Belorado.... but where in Belorado?

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

I know it's in Belorado.... but where in Belorado?

Trying to find out. Maybe these links can help.

https://www.mycaminobed.com/waymarkers-of-the-camino/martin-sheen-left-mark-camino-de-santiago/

STAGE 10: Santo Domingo de la Calzada to Belorado with detour to San Millán (Yuso & Suso: A UNESCO World Heritage Site)

‘Blessed are you Pilgrims, if what concerns you most is not to arrive, as to arrive with others’ Zabaldika 16.14km / Elevation Gain: 222m / Elevation Loss: 159 After breakfast, everyone…

mycaminosresolve.com

 

[Bert45]

I know it's in Belorado.... but where in Belorado?

Correct! I couldn't say exactly where it is, but Belorado is pretty small, so you don't have to look far. I'm pretty sure it is on the signposted Camino route through the village.
Edit: I've had a look on Google Maps; it's on Calle Hipólito López Bernal.
Edit (again): It's on Calle Mayor (thanks, Kathar1na). They all look much the same on GoogleMaps – you can't read the names.

 

[Bert45]

The YouTube video in English we have been using is no longer available. There are two others, one in Spanish and one that appears to be and sounds to be in a Slavic language. The timings may be off from what we have been posting too.

Disaster!!! But, fortunately I think we've found just about everything that could be found. That bridge in the credits would be nice to find, and the church where Tom speaks to a priest very early on.

 

[MaryLynn]

Have you seen this?: View attachment 73915
It's on the CF.

In Belorado, most likely

 

[Kathor1]

where in Belorado?

It is called Paseo del Animo, and if I remember correctly, you walk over Emilio Estevez's plaque when you follow the Camino markers through Belorado. Martin Sheen's plaque is a bit off camino, to the left. Their numbers are 7 and 25, see footprint icons in the map shown below (click on the map to enlarge). The numbers in the blue circles refer to the murals of Belorado's Paseo del Arte.

 

[Bert45]

Martin Sheen's plaque is in Calle Mayor by #63. This is a surprise to me, as I wasn't looking for the marker and I thought I was following the signs for the camino. However, looking back at my photos, it looks as though I did a bit of exploring. What I can't understand is how I missed Emilio Estevez's marker.

 

[Bert45]

With reference to the removal of the video of "The Way", I thought everyone was told to be careful about what you put on the internet as "it will be there forever". Can one of you technical experts explain what sort of thing stays on the internet forever and what doesn't?

 

[Saint Mike II]

Hola @Bert45 - well thanks for some fabulous research. I have the DVD with the extra features where Emilio, Martin & David (Alexanian) explain how, when and where each scene was shot. Emilio explains that they are shooting as much "in sequence" as possible and that they are using a very limited amount of artificial lighting. (the Gypsy night scene was filmed with the fire light and nothing else). Where we see our 4 Amigos walking the wrong direction it was for artistic licence; eg - the scene leaving Torres del Rio where they are walking East instead of West - but they needed the setting sunlight; or when Tom is entering Pamplona - they shot that scene because it gave them a better view of the city. Cheers

 

[Bert45]

Thanks, Mike. I think Emilio was being a bit "economical with the truth" about shooting in sequence – if they had been shooting in sequence, it wouldn't have been so hard to find "the church where Jost rings the bell" (Figueiras) – in fact, they wouldn't have been anywhere near Figueiras at the time the scene occurs in the movie. But, apart from that, they were probably doing what he said. There was nothing wrong with the scenes in Pamplona, so far as I know. Where I have said that the gateway was not the Portal de Francia, it is because I don't know the name of the gateway that comes before the Portal de Francia. Once he is in Pamplona, I can accept that he might have wandered around a bit. I read somewhere that he enters the square of the Caballo Blanco restaurant from the wrong direction, but I don't see that as an error, if he had been wandering around. One question I still have is why Captain Sebastian leads Tom to cross the River Nive by the 'wrong' bridge. Perhaps they couldn't shoot on the 'proper' bridge because there would have been too many pilgrims walking past.

 

[NorthernLight]

One question I still have is why Captain Sebastian leads Tom to cross the River Nive by the 'wrong' bridge. Perhaps they couldn't shoot on the 'proper' bridge because there would have been too many pilgrims walking past.

The wrong bridge is marked as being on an alternate route in Brierley’s book. Walking along this route gives them the old wall of the church as backdrop, removing background ‘noise’ for the scene. And eliminates the crowds.

It’s Tom who turns down that route, isn’t it? And at the wrong bridge across the Nive, the captain sets him back on course. It kind of highlights the point of just how unprepared Tom was.

 

[David Tallan]

With reference to the removal of the video of "The Way", I thought everyone was told to be careful about what you put on the internet as "it will be there forever". Can one of you technical experts explain what sort of thing stays on the internet forever and what doesn't?

The rule is quite simple and quite consistent with natural law as expressed by the estimable Murphy. In fact, it might be considered a corollary of Murphy's Law. That which you wish to stay forever on the Internet, won't and will be missing when most needed. That which you want to remove from the Internet, will stay forever in some corner or other to re-emerge when most inconvenient. There. That isn't so hard to understand, is it?

 

[Bert45]

The wrong bridge is marked as being on an alternate route in Brierley’s book. Walking along this route gives them the old wall of the church as backdrop, removing background ‘noise’ for the scene. And eliminates the crowds.

It’s Tom who turns down that route, isn’t it? And at the wrong bridge across the Nive, the captain sets him back on course. It kind of highlights the point of just how unprepared Tom was.

It's hard to say if it's Tom who turns left or if it's Captain Sebastian who guides him round the corner. I noticed that there was nobody on the Pont Notre Dame while it was in shot. They could have just asked people approaching the bridge to wait a minute or two while they shot the scene, I suppose. When Tom leaves his hotel that morning, he turns the wrong way, only to be met (out of shot) by a crowd of peregrinos walking in the opposite direction. Tom turns around and follows them. They would have obviously crossed the Pont Notre Dame. It's a little odd that he didn't he follow them. He was stopped by Captain Sebastian, but he would have seen them walking straight on, so he could have followed them when he'd finished talking with the captain. But it didn't suit the narrative, I suppose.

 

[Saint Mike II]

Bert45 and others: I think the above answers about which bridge to use departing St Jean are basically correct. In the special feature on the DVD Emilio more than once mentions that they did not include pilgrims without their consent (eg the scene where Tom walks the wrong way out of the hotel - those pilgrims all agreed to be in the scene) and as they were recording the dialogue in sequence (or together) then a quiet location was preferable. If you recall the scene at Cruz de Fero Emilio says they waited up beside that small chapel until
the other pilgrims had walked off (more respectful than most pilgrims I have encountered). Martin says it was one of the coldest days filming he has encountered (it was late Oct). The "church and bell" was the last scene actually filmed but neither Martin nor Emilio offer any advice as to why it was filmed out of sequence. Given that its in Galicia maybe the weather did affect the shoot. Cheers

 

[Robo]

Thanks so much for this thread @Bert45 ! What a terrific research job you’ve done here, with the help of other Forum members.
I, and many other ‘The Way’ tragics here on the Forum ... you know who you are! ... will appreciate having this information to hand. It’s the perfect excuse to watch what I feel is the quintessential, and the best, Camino movie once again.
Cheers from Oz -
Jenny

I am a mere novice when it comes to this movie having watched only about 20 times.
I was talking to another Forum member recently who admitted to watching it..........
More than 200 times

 

[Bert45]

I don't suppose that I've watched it from start to finish more than two or three times, but some sequences, such as the gypsy boy running through Burgos, I might have watched 10 times. 200 times would be almost 17 days straight, or 25 days allowing 8 hours sleep each day. But who would keep count to 200? I've been reading your blogs, Robo. Very good!

 

[Desert Bruce]

Every time I review this thread it makes me want to watch the movie again. Even before my first Camino in 2016 I was giving copies of the movie to friends to help explain about the Camino.
In 2017, quite by accident we stayed at Los Molinos, where Jost cooks for everyone. I recognized the patio instantly. We were told that Emilio's son married a granddaughter of the family. Somewhere in the commentary Emilio mentions that his son married a Spanish girl. I just put the commentary on but couldn't find that comment, I had to tear myself away before I watched the whole thing.

 

[Bert45]

IMDb: "Taylor Estevez was born on June 22, 1984 in Los Angeles, California, USA as Taylor Levi Estevez. He is known for his work on The Way (2010) ." He is credited as stunt co-ordinator, stunt double, stunt rigger etc on various films and TV series. I can't remember where I first read that he married a Spanish woman (Julia) that he met while he was on the camino (by car) with his grandfather. It has also been reported (according to Martin Sheen) that it was Taylor in the body-bag in the morgue when Tom (Martin) identified the body. The brief shot in the film shows Emilio in the body-bag (unless Taylor is the spitting image of his dad).

 

[Buz Radican]

I stayed there in 2018. The owner told me of the marriage and showed me a signed photo of the group. He was very proud of the fact that his daughter (granddaughter?) married Taylor.

 

[AndyP]

walking in the wrong direction on the Bercianos - Reliegos road

This scene was filmed on the road between Reliegos & Mansilla de las Mulas, the LE-6615, Calle Real. Daniel was leaning against the 4th tree along from 'Camino del Medio' at co-ordinates: 42.47854, -5.36416. Looking at the pic from the film, the 2 trees beyond Daniel's tree are smaller & thinner. Streetview from 2012 clearly shows these 2 smaller thinner trees.
This is also the area where the scene is shot were the group are taking their 'relief' at the side of the road.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Great job.

Looking at the pic from the film, the 2 trees beyond Daniel's tree are smaller & thinner. Streetview from 2012 clearly shows these 2 smaller thinner trees.

Google also shows the solitary tree on the other side of the road.

This is also the area where the scene is shot were the group are taking their 'relief' at the side of the road.

That seems likely.

 

[AndyP]

Great job.


Google also shows the solitary tree on the other side of the road.


That seems likely.

Yes Rick, The solitary tree on the other side of the road & the slight bend to the left is what initially raised my attention to this area.

 

[Bert45]

This scene was filmed on the road between Reliegos & Mansilla de las Mulas, the LE-6615, Calle Real. Daniel was leaning against the 4th tree along from 'Camino del Medio' at co-ordinates: 42.47854, -5.36416. Looking at the pic from the film, the 2 trees beyond Daniel's tree are smaller & thinner. Streetview from 2012 clearly shows these 2 smaller thinner trees.
This is also the area where the scene is shot were the group are taking their 'relief' at the side of the road.

Thanks, Andy! This is the sort of attention to detail that I like! (But am seemingly incapable of.) I thought I was a bit OCD, but you can show me a thing or two!

 

[Arn]

Two points, first, I would hire everyone from the Forum and start my own intelligence agency. Your attention to detail, ability to sequence events, point out inconsistency (without appearing over bearing, or dismissive) and close your argument with fact rather than hyperbole is key to providing the decision maker with solid information.
Second, I was at a private showing of The Way near DC. Many of your comments, observations and critiques were voiced and acknowledged as correct. As often happens, the editors are looking for scenes that allow for a story line to flow.
This is an example of why I don't watch Vietnam era movies. They are either so realistic I become a momentary basket case, or so inaccurate my disappointment shadows me for days.
As an amateur military historian and 45% Scot, I could enjoy Braveheart and ignore the inaccuracies because the good guys still win.
Remember, its the victors that right the history.

 

[AndyP]

The view of Akerreta. This is not a view that can be seen from the path between Larrasoaña to Akerreta.

Hi Bert, I replied to your messages, no idea why you cannot see them.

Another scene from the film is where Tom leaves Jost & walks up to the Hotel Akerreta. As you have pointed out, they are not on the path from Larrasoaña to Akerreta, I believe this was filmed on the Calle Transfiguración, at 'approx' coordinates: 42.89569, -1.54587, they are walking in the wrong direction.
You can see from a google & bing 'plan' view, the rooftop angles of the buildings around the the hotel.

 

[PMSLAW]

A fascinating thread!