Hornillos del Camino: what's the difference?

[Bert45]

I took a photo of the Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu in Hornillos del Camino. I googled for some information and found this:

Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu​

"Durante la época medieval fueron creados aquí tres hospitales para atender a los peregrinos. Dos de estos lugares llevaban el nombre de San Lázaro, destinado a leprosos y peregrinos, y el Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu en Hornillos del Camino, es el único que se ha mantenido, creado para romeros y peregrinos. Actualmente este recinto tiene un área separada como lugar de encuentro de la peregrinación moderna." [/viajecaminodesantiago.com/camino-frances/hornillos-camino/]

"... para romeros y peregrinos." My small Spanish-English dictionary translates 'romero' as 'pilgrim'. 'peregrino' is also translated as 'pilgrim'. So the Hospital was created for pilgrims and pilgrims. An automatic translation gave me 'created for rosemary and pilgrims', which seemed an unlikely alternative.

My question is, therefore, what's the difference between a romero and a peregrino?

 

[Kiwi-family]

could it be this?

 

[dbier]

Weren't Romeros pilgrims to Rome?

 

[dick bird]

Weren't Romeros pilgrims to Rome?

Originally, yes, but the word ´romero´ was later extended to mean all pilgrims. In English, the same thing happened to the word ´palmer´ so romero and perergrino could be taken as synonyms, if not exact ones. A local festival is referred to in Spain as a ´Romería´, especially if it involves a procession. ´Romero´ is also the word for ´rosemary´.

 

[Kathar1na]

Indeed, the RAE says that romero and peregrino are synonyms.

Here on the forum posters sometimes emphasise that a romería is a short pilgrimage, for example a pilgrimage that takes only a day or less, and peregrinación is a long-distance pilgrimage.

The English language lacks nouns that would make a distinction between the two. German has Wallfahrer and Pilger where it is similar: the two words are synonyms but Pilger is more associated with a longer pilgrimage than Wallfahrer.

See www.rae.es and www.Duden.de.

 

[bullingtonce]

I took a photo of the Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu in Hornillos del Camino. I googled for some information and found this:

Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu​

"Durante la época medieval fueron creados aquí tres hospitales para atender a los peregrinos. Dos de estos lugares llevaban el nombre de San Lázaro, destinado a leprosos y peregrinos, y el Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu en Hornillos del Camino, es el único que se ha mantenido, creado para romeros y peregrinos. Actualmente este recinto tiene un área separada como lugar de encuentro de la peregrinación moderna." [/viajecaminodesantiago.com/camino-frances/hornillos-camino/]

"... para romeros y peregrinos." My small Spanish-English dictionary translates 'romero' as 'pilgrim'. 'peregrino' is also translated as 'pilgrim'. So the Hospital was created for pilgrims and pilgrims. An automatic translation gave me 'created for rosemary and pilgrims', which seemed an unlikely alternative.

My question is, therefore, what's the difference between a romero and a peregrino?

It's rather obvious: 'romero' is a character in an Italian opera and a 'peregrino' is a quite fine delicate wine. One you drink, one you don't drink other than you figuratively 'drink' in the opera as it plays itself out. Chuck

 

[Kathar1na]

That's not even funny, Chuck. You could at least have made a bit of an effort and quoted Dante.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

The English language lacks nouns that would make a distinction between the two. German has Wallfahrer and Pilger where it is similar: the two words are synonyms but Pilger is more associated with a longer pilgrimage than Wallfahrer.

Possibly wayfarer but I don't think anyone would be putting it into a pilgrimage context.

Note the similarities between the German and English words though.

 

[CWBuff]

That's not even funny, Chuck. You could at least have made a bit of an effort and quoted Dante.

OK... I'll try this one: "A Roman Pilgrim walks into a Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu Albergue.... but then I digress...."

 

[CWBuff]

Indeed, the RAE says that romero and peregrino are synonyms.

Here on the forum posters sometimes emphasise that a romería is a short pilgrimage, for example a pilgrimage that takes only a day or less, and peregrinación is a long-distance pilgrimage.

The English language lacks nouns that would make a distinction between the two. German has Wallfahrer and Pilger where it is similar: the two words are synonyms but Pilger is more associated with a longer pilgrimage than Wallfahrer.

See www.rae.es and www.Duden.de.

that was my thought almost immediately - the word "romero" seems to me like "rover"

 

[AidaYYC]

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could it be this?

In the vernacular, a Romero was a pilgrim that came through Rome or from that direction.

 

[David Tallan]

I took a photo of the Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu in Hornillos del Camino. I googled for some information and found this:

Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu​

"Durante la época medieval fueron creados aquí tres hospitales para atender a los peregrinos. Dos de estos lugares llevaban el nombre de San Lázaro, destinado a leprosos y peregrinos, y el Hospital de Peregrinos Santo Espíritu en Hornillos del Camino, es el único que se ha mantenido, creado para romeros y peregrinos. Actualmente este recinto tiene un área separada como lugar de encuentro de la peregrinación moderna." [/viajecaminodesantiago.com/camino-frances/hornillos-camino/]

"... para romeros y peregrinos." My small Spanish-English dictionary translates 'romero' as 'pilgrim'. 'peregrino' is also translated as 'pilgrim'. So the Hospital was created for pilgrims and pilgrims. An automatic translation gave me 'created for rosemary and pilgrims', which seemed an unlikely alternative.

My question is, therefore, what's the difference between a romero and a peregrino?

I learned a long time ago that a romero was a pilgrim to Rome, a palmero was a pilgrim to Jerusalem, and a peregrino was a pilgrim to Santiago - the three primary medieval Christian pilgrimage sites.

I subsequently learned that the meanings had shifted over time and in different locations/languages, so that what I had originally learned didn't necessarily hold any water.

Personally, romero and palmero have root meanings that are specific to those pilgrimages, while peregrino strikes me as more generic. I would have called pilgrims to Santiago "concheros".

 

[AidaYYC]

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I learned a long time ago that a romero was a pilgrim to Rome, a palmero was a pilgrim to Jerusalem, and a peregrino was a pilgrim to Santiago - the three primary medieval Christian pilgrimage sites.

I subsequently learned that the meanings had shifted over time and in different locations/languages, so that what I had originally learned didn't necessarily hold any water.

Yes, definitions vary over time, but I thank you for that historical definition. Buen Camino

 

[Bert45]

My thanks to all of the above (with one exception, perhaps).

 

[mark connolly]

A "pilot-fish"?

roam | Etymology of roam by etymonline

"walk, go, walk about;" early 14c., "wander about, prowl," a word of obscure origin,… See origin and meaning of roam.

www.etymonline.com

Definition of ROMERO

pilot fish… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Kathar1na]

@Bert45, I don't know whether you will find this information useful for your photo caption but the text from the viajecaminodesantiago webpage makes it sound as if the building in Hornillos was built in the Middle Ages and is the only one of three medieval albergue-hospitals that is still standing. This is not true. More trustworthy sources say that the medieval hospitales of Hornillos have disappeared.

The building in question is a nicely restored 16th century building. According to several local newspaper articles, the owner started renovation about 10 years ago with the aim of opening another pilgrim albergue in Hornillos. He even obtained a € 50.000 grant from one of the EU programs for rural development. But it seems that it is not (yet?) in use as an albergue for Camino pilgrims?

When I saw photos I thought at first that the beautiful "tavern sign" is old but a closer look shows that it is contemporary. All very pretty though. I had not noticed it at all when we walked through Hornillos.

An article in the Diario de Burgos from March 2017 about the owner of the building and his plans to turn it into a Camino pilgrim albergue says that the building dates from 1515.

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