I have just boarded an Iberia flight to Madrid, and so far have seen two people come on with collapsed poles attached to their backpacks.
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Dublin airport permits them to be taken through security (it's info buried in their website and twitter). It's very different to Santiago airport which has not allowed them throughfor many years.Just in the last few weeks (travelling to and from the camino) I've seen people travelling to and from Dublin with hiking poles in their carry on backpacks.....
I saw people at Naples Airport in April boarding with poles. It really is frustrating, do you pay £30 for hold luggage, per flight, or risk having your £x cost poles confiscated.I have just boarded an Iberia flight to Madrid, and so far have seen two people come on with collapsed poles attached to their backpacks.
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@Bedspring, as a fairly new forum member you may not be aware of the long discussions we had on this forum about walking poles on planes. It goes back to at least 2017 when I learnt the word scofflaw. The word and the discussions, especially about the meaning and practical application of the lists of prohibited items in cabin baggage in the applicable EU law as well as on airline websites and airport websites, will be etched into my memory forever.people at Naples Airport in April boarding with poles
This stuff is an ongoing issue in the Climbing world for years, can you take ropes and quickdraw into the cabins, probably other pastimes have a similar issue.@Bedspring, as a fairly new forum member you may not be aware of the long discussions we had on this forum about walking poles on planes. It goes back to at least 2017 when I learnt the word scofflaw. The word and the discussions, especially about the meaning and practical application of the lists of prohibited item in the applicable EU law and on airline websites, will be etched into my memory forever.
This thread ought to be exclusively about poles in or on backpacks of passengers departing from Santiago de Compostela airport. Of course it won't be.
We could start a game with a set of rules: 5 points whenever someone writes TSA. 3 points whenever someone mentions a cheap IKEA bag for checking poles. 20 points if the word scofflaw appears in a post.
@Kathar1na is simply trying to keep this important thread relevant, as this very specific issue, departing SdC with hiking poles, is an ongoing concern for many on the forum, but instead you decide to introduce and include climbing ropes.This stuff is an ongoing issue in the Climbing world for years, can you take ropes and quickdraw into the cabins, probably other pastimes have a similar issue.
Santiago de Compostela airport had a very clear policy that was enforced rather strictly, and they had put up extra posters specifically about poles that I had not seen in other airports: Poles were not allowed to take into the cabin BUT all airlines allowed you to check your poles for free. Even when you travelled with Ryanair or EasyJet and held the cheapest no-frills ticket.not down to the whim of who ever is in charge at a particular airport
I cannot find this emoji as a kind of like so have to reply: . Must look up scofflaw again. When it is really important.@Bedspring, as a fairly new forum member you may not be aware of the long discussions we had on this forum about walking poles on planes. It goes back to at least 2017 when I learnt the word scofflaw. The word and the discussions, especially about the meaning and practical application of the lists of prohibited items in cabin baggage in the applicable EU law as well as on airline websites and airport websites, will be etched into my memory forever.
This thread ought to be exclusively about poles in or on backpacks of passengers departing from Santiago de Compostela airport in the year 2024. Of course it won't be.
We could start a game with a set of rules: 5 points whenever someone writes TSA. 3 points whenever someone mentions a cheap IKEA bag for checking poles. 20 points if the word scofflaw appears in a post.
Yes, somebody did so. It was forum member @Hopeful Pilgrim. I found the post that I had been looking for! It is dated April 20, 2024, so very recently. Here is the full quote and the link to the post:I take it that nobody has specifically checked with Santiago airport as yet whether or not this is now the official policy? (i.e, that folded poles are now allowed as carry on luggage).
Thats a shame regarding the Airlines.Santiago de Compostela airport had a very clear policy that was enforced rather strictly, and they had put up extra posters specifically about poles that I had not seen in other airports: Poles were not allowed to take into the cabin BUT all airlines allowed you to check your poles for free. Even when you travelled with Ryanair or EasyJet and held the cheapest no-frills ticket.
I don't know what their risk assessment was or is. But this situation with the free checking of poles at Santiago airport was rather unique. This policy ended about a year ago. Since then you will have to pay if you check your poles and when this option is not included in your ticket.
Let us not go there. Let us not even try ... .
Using the "S" word twice in one posting to gain 40 points? Kirkie, dear heart, I am shocked!.I cannot find this emoji as a kind of like so have to reply: . Must look up scofflaw again. When it is really important.
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Oh dear! I found the Scofflaw par excellence! No name shall be uttered...
At the end of the day, this is about aircraft safety and binary. Either it is safe or is not safe, and should be a national or international standard, and not down to the whim of who ever is in charge at a particular airport
Safety is not binary. Compliance with binary rules is binary. The question of "How safe is safe enough?" is a matter for endless debate among public safety decision makers.Ah, well I am an anarchist, so do not believe in laws.
I have thought about being a scofflaw many times, ignoring the regulations of the TSA. But then I realized the retribution that the TSA could take. I didn't want to risk such from the TSA, so I considered a cheap IKEA bag for checking poles. Would that solve the TSA problem? I wasn't sure. I thought about writing the TSA and asking, but figured they would nix the cheap IKEA bag for checking poles and suggest something made in America.@Bedspring, as a fairly new forum member you may not be aware of the long discussions we had on this forum about walking poles on planes. It goes back to at least 2017 when I learnt the word scofflaw. The word and the discussions, especially about the meaning and practical application of the lists of prohibited items in cabin baggage in the applicable EU law as well as on airline websites and airport websites, will be etched into my memory forever.
This thread ought to be exclusively about poles in or on backpacks of passengers departing from Santiago de Compostela airport in the year 2024. Of course it won't be.
We could start a game with a set of rules: 5 points whenever someone writes TSA. 3 points whenever someone mentions a cheap IKEA bag for checking poles. 20 points if the word scofflaw appears in a post.
The game is not competitive. It is a collaborative game: All the points will be added up. We ought to aim to keep the total to a low number.Then I realized I wasn't flying via the US and hadn't needed all of the TSA references I just used to collect points.
I've been following these forum discussions - poles and Santiago airport - for many years. I did not keep statistics but to me it feels like the overwhelming majority of comments in these threads were not made by people who arrived at Santiago airport and had their poles taken from them unexpectedly. They commented with great passion sometimes, and even greater convictions, but either they did not have poles at all with them, or they did not fly from Santiago, or they had tickets that included checked luggage anyway, and next to nobody actually went to the airport desks of the few airlines serving Santiago airport and asked about the free of charge option.It's amazing isn't it, that the airport Santiago can't clearly publicise in writing everywhere what the latest security policy is regarding poles, as it causes such a lot of pain in the bum hang wringing in an industry worth a fortune to Spainish businesses. It's not hard, is it?
That can be found in the FAQ section, cleverly titled "Am I allowed to carry hiking poles / walking sticks into the airplane cabin with me?"The moderators' standard forum message (need to find it, too) about this topic may have to be rewritten!!!
Why don't you buy a mop like this in the first place? It should be quite good for sound deadening and probably hospis would let you carry it into the albergue.After a day's walking the bottom of the pole splays into a fairly soft pad of fibres which deadens sounds and is pretty good at preventing slippage
Because it has been persisting down with rain now and again and a lot more is forecast for tomorrow. The mop would absorb lots of water and mud and end up weighing more than my pack. And sneaking it past hospitaleras in that state might be tricky...Why don't you buy a mop like this in the first place? It should be quite good for sound deadening and probably hospis would let you carry it into the albergue.
Of course we don’t. Standards are just more rules imposed on us by the bourgeoisie. (I know, pointless reply in all senses).Do anarchists believe in international standards?
@Bedspring, as a fairly new forum member you may not be aware of the long discussions we had on this forum about walking poles on planes. It goes back to at least 2017 when I learnt the word scofflaw. The word and the discussions, especially about the meaning and practical application of the lists of prohibited items in cabin baggage in the applicable EU law as well as on airline websites and airport websites, will be etched into my memory forever.
This thread ought to be exclusively about poles in or on backpacks of passengers departing from Santiago de Compostela airport in the year 2024. Of course it won't be.
We could start a game with a set of rules: 5 points whenever someone writes TSA. 3 points whenever someone mentions a cheap IKEA bag for checking poles. 20 points if the word scofflaw appears in a post.
Does the winner/loser get presented with an award? The Golden Hiking Pole of Decathlon for instance?The game is not competitive. It is a collaborative game: All the points will be added up. We ought to aim to keep the total to a low number.
If you can rustle up a couple of metres of the ubiquitous paracord you can make a handy and adjustable strap/lanyard. There are two videos on this YouTube account which might be of interestI flew from Bristol to Porto a couple of days ago with Ryanair. Even if poles were allowed they probably wouldn't fit in the dimensions of Ryanair's very measly free cabin baggage allowance. After Porto I took a train to Valença to begin walking from there. At an old-fashioned shop a couple of hundred metres from the station I bought two wooden broom handles. Very cheap (€3 for the pair), made from renewable material and biodegradable. If I need a shorter length I just grip further down the pole. After a day's walking the bottom of the pole splays into a fairly soft pad of fibres which deadens sounds and is pretty good at preventing slippage. I resisted the temptation to buy the shop cat in his box by the till.
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How about a couple of second hand broom handles? Seems like @Bradypus might have a couple to give away soon...Does the winner/loser get presented with an award? The Golden Hiking Pole of Decathlon for instance?
Yes, if they see you they will enlist your help with mopping the floors.And sneaking it past hospitaleras in that state might be tricky...
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Why don't you buy a mop like this in the first place? It should be quite good for sound deadening and probably hospis would let you carry it into the albergue.
And sneaking it past hospitaleras in that state might be tricky
An elegant solution - use what you got!@Jeff Crawley I have a couple of ribbon lanyards with me - from waterproof pouches I carry my phone and documents in. They stay in my pockets and never round my neck. I hadn't got around to attaching them when I took the photo yesterday. A couple of screw eyes later and this is the Mk.2 version...
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TSAWe could start a game with a set of rules: 5 points whenever someone writes TSA. 3 points whenever someone mentions a cheap IKEA bag for checking poles. 20 points if the word scofflaw appears in a post.
Did you mean to say that you were on 20 flights from Santiago de Compostela over 7 years and carried your poles through their security lines and it was never an issue and you are a pilgrim who does not need a cane in daily life? That would be a truly unusual experience.More than 20 flights over 7 years carrying poles in the cabin - never an issue.
It would certainly be useful for their passengers if they provided such information. I don't find the website for the airport of Santiago particularly user-friendly. It does not really have a website of its own, their website is just part of the general AENA website that covers all Spanish airports.It's amazing isn't it, that the airport Santiago can't clearly publicise in writing everywhere what the latest security policy is regarding poles [...]. It's not hard, is it?
Thank you so much for this feedback, @Saranger. You are the second forum member who not only saw people with folded walking poles after the security lines at Santiago airport but even asked the security staff for confirmation that walking poles are now allowed as part of cabin luggage when flying from Santiago de Compostela.asked the security officer if hiking poles are now allowed in cabin baggage and she said yes, as long as they are collapsible (not a long wooden staff).
What is a Camino, if not a “truly unusual experience”?Did you mean to say that you were on 20 flights from Santiago de Compostela over 7 years and carried your poles through their security lines and it was never an issue and you are a pilgrim who does not need a cane in daily life? That would be a truly unusual experience.
For a summary of the situation regarding poles in airplanes in a more global context, see the excellent FAQ that moderator @C clearly put together and has now updated again. You find it here:
It was put together in 2022, it is updated regularly and it covers the varied experiences of forum members and their poles in airports around the world. Highly recommend for prior reading, i.e. before posting and before travelling.
I am trying to stay clear of personal interpretations of aviation security law. This has always ended not in tears but in thread closure.Why carry trekking poles if they are not needed to aid mobility?
This is true in some airports but not in all. It depends on the layout of the airport. I have taken internal flights in Greece and then had to go through security again for my connecting flight.And for those who are weighing the pros and cons of carrying on poles, another thing to keep in mind is that if you fly from Santiago to an airport in another EU country (or is it if you fly to another Schengen zone country? — hopefully @Kathar1na knows the answer ), you will not go through security again. Example — I flew Santiago - Madrid - Chicago yesterday. I did not go through security in Madrid, just in Santiago.
The harder nut to crack is if you are traveling from outside EU/Schengen to Madrid to annother Spanish city. When I flew from the US-Madrid-Malaga this year, I packed my poles because I had heard from several people that Madrid had not let through their carry-on poles. When you land in Madrid from outside the EU/Schengen, you do have to go through security again, so the practices in Madrid are crucial on the way TO the camino rather than on the way home.
My poles, btw, did not arrive in Málaga with me, so I had to buy another pair. But I am VERY glad that all I had to replace was my poles and not the entire backpack and its contents.
Laurie, I thought you had a pair of the wonderful Black Diamond bungee smaller folding poles. I had not heard of anyone owning them that had had security remove them from their backpack. Possibly I missed a few posts on other threads saying otherwise.My poles, btw, did not arrive in Málaga with me, so I had to buy another pair. But I am VERY glad that all I had to replace was my poles and not the entire backpack and its contents.
Security did not reject/remove them. As I understand it. @peregrina2000 usually carries her poles into the cabin. On this trip she had another checked bag of not-Camino stuff, so she put her poles in the checked bag. That checked bag went astray and didn't arrive until days later. She had all her other Camino things in carry-on backpack, so only had to buy poles in order to start walking.... Black Diamond bungee smaller folding poles. I had not heard of anyone owning them that had had security remove them from their backpack.
Yes, on Wednesday 5/16, carried my collapsed poles, one pole outside pack and one inside pack, from Santiago to Madrid to Dallas to Seattle. No questions asked. Airlines included Iberia, American and Air EuropaI have just boarded an Iberia flight to Madrid, and so far have seen two people come on with collapsed poles attached to their backpacks.
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