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Has anyone produced a gradient diagram to actual scale? With the same scale of distances on both the x and y axes?This is an extract from my Web-App (under construction) for Camino Frances and shows the gradient graphs (with maps) for the combined as well as 32 individual walks.
Select walks (in groups of 5 to 7) at the base and use scroll bar to view.
Gradient Graph
Has anyone produced a gradient diagram to actual scale? With the same scale of distances on both the x and y axes?
Has anyone produced a gradient diagram to actual scale? With the same scale of distances on both the x and y axes?
This link shows a profile of the whole Camino Francés using the same elevation scale. On the whole, the section between Burgos and Astorga looks relatively flat.Hmmm... looks like Flat Meseta is not flat at all.....
Thanks, Rick. But, I'm looking for one at actual scale. That is, of a block on the y-axis is 50m, a block on the x-axis would also be 50m. That would provide an accurate representation of the terrain.I have one here for the two ways to get from SJPdP to Roncesvalles. There are some notes.
I don't think you would find this very useful. I don't think I've ever seen a profile like that other than one I created as an experiment. That was one of the entire CF. It was something like two pixels per kilometer with all elevations shown with three pixels.Thanks, Rick. But, I'm looking for one at actual scale. That is, of a block on the y-axis is 50m, a block on the x-axis would also be 50m. That would provide an accurate representation of the terrain.
Thanks for your reply and I will try to explain. The very first selection is "All" which shows the whole route elevation with map on top in green so the idea is to view that first to get an overall idea of "where the big bumps are".Bless your heart for putting all this work into this project. So forgive me for saying that the seemingly random elevation scales in no way reflect any degree of difficulty I have encountered on my Caminos. Brierley guide, gronze website, and a thread on here showing charts for all stages (to my mind) give a more accurate description of what to expect.
Whilst that is very useful and accelerates the process, it is then, depending on the context, useful to manually scale the vertical access of the jpg or png images to suit your purpose.As for random elevation scales this is an AI auto function in Google Earth that simply uses the low/high points for THAT particular walk
North is NOT always down eg (pun intended) on The North Downs Way we are going East so North will be up.Thanks, Camo - that's going to be very useful.
But was anybody else puzzled by the 'north is down' orientation? Walking right-to-left feels backwards to me.
I used https://gpsvisualizer.com/profile to draw my profile graph. You can use that to create profiles from GPS tracks pretty much any way you want. This morning I took a track of the Napoleon Route and plotted it using 25 x 25 pixel blocks to represent 1km x 1km horizontal and vertical distances. This is what I got:Thanks, Rick. But, I'm looking for one at actual scale. That is, of a block on the y-axis is 50m, a block on the x-axis would also be 50m. That would provide an accurate representation of the terrain.
Nice work Rick but very time consuming considering Google Maps simply does it FOR you by hitting "show gradient profile" AND it has the satellite map so you can see where the "bumps" are.I used https://gpsvisualizer.com/profile to draw my profile graph. You can use that to create profiles from GPS tracks pretty much any way you want. This morning I took a track of the Napoleon Route and plotted it using 25 x 25 pixel blocks to represent 1km x 1km horizontal and vertical distances. This is what I got:
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It took way too much trial and error as it has been a few years since I used the tool. To save you some time I give you an example of how to fill in the parameters section. This is what I used to get the above profile:
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Although I specified Jpeg output I took screenshots and they came out in PNG format.
I assume you mean Google Earth here and not Google Maps. I only have easy access to my smartphone and I'm not even going to try Google Earth on it.Nice work Rick but very time consuming considering Google Maps simply does it FOR you by hitting "show gradient profile" AND it has the satellite map so you can see where the "bumps" are.
Sorry, I politely decline. I feel I've already done enough.But LenB (and others) seemed more concerned with the flatter routes so could you perhaps do one of those for us and I will try to do the same in Google Earth as a comparison.
That's cool Rick - I posted this Web-App extract as Information Only but got some suggestions for modifications that I will now try to incorporate into the display to make Degree of Difficulty more clear between the various walks.I assume you mean Google Earth here and not Google Maps. I only have easy access to my smartphone and I'm not even going to try Google Earth on it.
Sorry, I politely decline. I feel I've already done enough.
One of the first improvements you need to make is to use the walking routes, and not some other track, if this is going to be of any value to walking pilgrims. From a quick look at the first three or four stages, there are clear descpancies that need to be addressed.That's cool Rick - I posted this Web-App extract as Information Only but got some suggestions for modifications that I will now try to incorporate into the display to make Degree of Difficulty more clear between the various walks.
Don't follow Doug, I don't NEED to do anything and this MODIFICATION (not improvement) is way down my to-do list.One of the first improvements you need to make is to use the walking routes, and not some other track, if this is going to be of any value to walking pilgrims. From a quick look at the first three or four stages, there are clear descpancies that need to be addressed.
I have no doubt that this is a large task that you have chosen to take on, and any work you have done with Google Earth and Google Maps to improve the quality of the underlying geo-spatial data set they use will benefit walkers if they choose to use either of those products over the many other more accurate and reliable walking map apps available for the Camino routes.Also the paths I use are the official ones from this forum and verified by way of Camino waymarkers in the "turn points" of the Virtual Tours.
Doug, first of all in the "modern world" if you want to describe a route you need to use the PDF of mapping which is Google MyMaps where you can draw/download a map, use a map someone else has created or even have the bot create it FOR you via its Sat Nav engine.crosses the A-15 on the NA-6000, goes through Cizur Menor, skirts the SE edge of Zizur Mejor, goes through Zariquiegui before crossing the ridgeline running west from the Alto del Perdon.
first of all in the "modern world" if you want to describe a route you need to use the PDF of mapping which is Google MyMaps where you can draw/download a map, use a map someone else has created or even have the bot create it FOR you via its Sat Nav engine.
I don't know your routes, but I was able to make a reasonable assessment of their alignment from the graphical information that you provided. Just the same as I have made a reasonable assessment that the Walk 4 route leaving Puente la Reina follows a minor road, the NA-1110 to the north of the A-12 before crossing around Maneru, something the walking track does not do. Perhaps your web apps would make these deviations from the walking paths more obvious. If they did, it might make it easier for others to actually help you present the walking path, rather than what is currently appearing.However in this case I am at a loss to understand how you could possible KNOW my routes as I have not given a link to my Web-Apps here for obvious reasons.
My concern is that if the walking track you present is not the current alignment that has been way-marked, these are not providing the utility you suggest. I cannot see how you can claim that they are at all useful in their current state.What I posted here was not even the Introduction to a Web-App but an extract from the introduction and I did that as "take it or leave it info" that might be useful to people planning a Camino Frances trip where they did not have time or ability to do the lot and needed to choose sections to match their abilities.
I think that is an unnecessary response. It's not whether I like what you are trying to do, it's about whether what you have done is presenting useful, reliable and accurate information. It isn't, and it should if it is to fulfill your own stated purpose here. And while it doesn't, I will continue to point this out so that forum members are not misled about this or any other routes you take on in this way.But obviously you don't like it so I have deleted it from my host site - living on an age pension I can use the saved space for other things and save on my hosting fees.
The forum doesn't recognize any experts, so any recommended files are just the recommendation of the member who posts.the file the experts here were suggesting is called (ES) Camino Frances (Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port - Santiago de Compostela).kmz
That might be a cycling route. The walking route with which I am familiar is here: https://centrodedescargas.cnig.es/CentroDescargasRWS/rest/descargarArchivo/usuarioMovil/11059901The first task for anyone "making an app" is to find a reliable kml (or whatever) file or record one themselves. In this case I googled for one and it took me to this forum and the file the experts here were suggesting is called (ES) Camino Frances (Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port - Santiago de Compostela).kmz which I have followed.
You are now suggesting it is flawed so could you please send me the file YOU rely on and I will do a cross check if I get the time.
Thank you very much Doug and I plonked it (ie Valcarlos Route) into MyMaps along with my own version of what I call Walk 1a and here is the comparisonThat might be a cycling route. The walking route with which I am familiar is here: https://centrodedescargas.cnig.es/CentroDescargasRWS/rest/descargarArchivo/usuarioMovil/11059901
I base my questions on my practical experience walking the route, although I find the Open Street Maps walking routes layer a useful tool when I am planning. It can be activated in the OSM apps in Android and iOS devices, and I suspect any other mapping app that uses OSM as a geo-spatial data source. Users of products like Mapy.cz, etc might be able to tell you that.if you could kindly sent me the appropriate file on which you base your questioning so I can see if I might need to do any more editing.
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