- Time of past OR future Camino
- Frances 2017
Viejo/Olvidado/Invierno Oct/Nov 2024
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Download the "ENAIRE Drones" app which shows airspace regulations for all locations in Spain.I'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
There was one this year as well. AnnoyingJust don't fly it near other Pilgrims
Last year at the Cruz de Ferro a drone was buzzing around the cross!
Kind of killed the mood a bit......
That's for sure. The intention is fly only when there's no one else near.Just don't fly it near other Pilgrims
Last year at the Cruz de Ferro a drone was buzzing around the cross!
Kind of killed the mood a bit......
When is a drone not a drone?I am waiting for a drone with a "follow me” option
@MikeJS Is that a two legged drone ?I am waiting for a drone with a "follow me” option that can carry a rucksack!
Yes, many has flown drones to capture and document their pilgrimage and the beauty of Spain and the Camino. Go ahead please and I will be a follower. Following are few of the many drone footage of the Camino de Santiago:I'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
I believe most if not all the new drone models have the follow me capability you want. I know mine which is 5-6 years old has it.I am waiting for a drone with a "follow me” option that can carry a rucksack!
1990 was a good year for that....Tomorrow: “When is the best time to walk a Camino to avoid flocks of drones?”
Are the laws ever actually enforced with regard to photos or videos taken in public places? I very strongly resent having my photo taken without my permission and am only slightly less grumpy when someone does ask first. I know that a drone flying near me would raise my hackles a lot but I doubt I would lodge an official complaint anywhere.Just bear in mind that Spain has surprisingly strict privacy laws governing photography or images of individuals taken without their knowledge or consent (regardless of the technology used).
Suggestion? Please don't!I'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
If you use a DJI drone, just switch it on and do a firmware-update to the given GPS-Data the drone found.I'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
ROFLJust bear in mind that Spain has surprisingly strict privacy laws governing photography or images of individuals taken without their knowledge or consent (regardless of the technology used).
For rules etc. please read the following,I'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
I've touched on it in one of the previous posts - while I do "respect peoples privacy" there is IIRC something that governs (if you will) everyone's presence in public places. I absolutely agree that I should NOT stick my camera in your face and take your portrait without your explicit permission but I am NOT running after every person that is "in the background\foreground" of Plaza Obradoiro while I am taking shots of the cathedral (or my fellow Pilgrims there or any other places on the path).Are the laws ever actually enforced with regard to photos or videos taken in public places? I very strongly resent having my photo taken without my permission and am only slightly less grumpy when someone does ask first. I know that a drone flying near me would raise my hackles a lot but I doubt I would lodge an official complaint anywhere.
Today: “When is the best time to walk a Camino that is less crowded?”.
Tomorrow: “When is the best time to walk a Camino to avoid flocks of drones?”
In the year 2525 If man is still alive.....1990 was a good year for that....
Spanish privacy law allows for photos of public events and places etc. it’s a grey area, but if someone appears to be the main subject of an image, or is recognizable as an individual in an image, you could be contravening the law. You (ie one) needs to be sensitive and careful.I've touched on it in one of the previous posts - while I do "respect peoples privacy" there is IIRC something that governs (if you will) everyone's presence in public places. I absolutely agree that I should NOT stick my camera in your face and take your portrait without your explicit permission but I am NOT running after every person that is "in the background\foreground" of Plaza Obradoiro while I am taking shots of the cathedral (or my fellow Pilgrims there or any other places on the path).
You are in public place - you can reasonably presume that you are in someone's photo or video.
(all the "yous" above are colloquial\general sense and not directed at @Bradypus specifically)
You could ask someone not to do it and have the law on your side. If they publish, get a lawyer.Are the laws ever actually enforced with regard to photos or videos taken in public places? I very strongly resent having my photo taken without my permission and am only slightly less grumpy when someone does ask first. I know that a drone flying near me would raise my hackles a lot but I doubt I would lodge an official complaint anywhere.
As I said before - I can't imagine making a formal complaint in such a situation. But I do not accept the idea that my being in a public place makes me fair game for anyone with a camera or a drone. I would have to wonder about the peculiar aesthetic tastes of someone who would choose me as a subject anyway....You could ask someone not to do it and have the law on your side. If they publish, get a lawyer.
Check out @Walk_with_Efren on YouTube he inspired me to walk the Camino in 2018 with amazing drone shotsI'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
Hi Paulo,That's for sure. The intention is fly only when there's no one else near.
I'll be walking a less travelled route (Camino Viejo) and the intention is to document the new path.
I filed a registration document with the aviation department of Spain. Anyone had this document asked?!
You are aware that in the UK, in a public place, you are "fair game" for anyone with a camera? The photographer would also be able to record your image when you are on private land as long as (s)he is on public land. Perhaps you are no longer living in this country?As I said before - I can't imagine making a formal complaint in such a situation. But I do not accept the idea that my being in a public place makes me fair game for anyone with a camera or a drone. I would have to wonder about the peculiar aesthetic tastes of someone who would choose me as a subject anyway....
I do understand that the law may permit it. I do not have to approve of that situation.You are aware that in the UK, in a public place, you are "fair game" for anyone with a camera? The photographer would also be able to record your image when you are on private land as long as (s)he is on public land. Perhaps you are no longer living in this country?
Commercial use of images requires further consideration...
I understand the reservations made by other users like @Robo, @pinkwadingbird, @davebugg, @lt56ny, @SouthernBoy . I think such suggestions/criticism should be directed not at a drone but at the education, respect and knowledge of rules of its operators.
2 questionsI'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
But can yours carry a rucksack? That was the second half of what was being sought.I believe most if not all the new drone models have the follow me capability you want. I know mine which is 5-6 years old has it.
Buen Camino.
I agree! I must be getting old!!!A drone on the Camino???? On a pilgrimage? Would have never occurred to me. I carry a banana and an orange. Buen Camino
I agree totally but the issue of privacy is (or should be) eliminated by virtue of the height of the camera. That is to say as long as the user is "professional" she/he will be taking advantage of the ability of the drone to "rise and take the BIG pano/video/picture" where all you will see is tops of heads as small dots.When out in public, there cannot be any reasonable expectation of privacy. I agree with that notion. It makes common sense.
Any photos or video captures that happen to include me -- when outside of my private property -- is going to be part of life in the modern world where picture takers are all around us. When someone is taking photos or videos and I am just an incidental part of the scenery or background as opposed to being the main subject, that is just par for the course.
Theoretically -- The only time I would take exception is if someone intentionally invades my personal space/bubble with a camera or drone. At that point, the person is making ME the subject. If they do not have my permission, I would tell the gomer to stop it and back off. . . saying 'please' is based on the circumstance and attitude of the offender.
In reality -- I doubt if someone with a drone would be that much of an obliviot.
There's an interesting article in today's Guardian online about the way wedding photography had changed. Instead of a photographer capturing the main events and Gran with her Instamatic you now have "content creators" and videographer and everything has to be stage managed - including, in one case, where the videographer wasn't ready for "the kiss" and shouted out "Not yet!"What happened to simplicity?
This may be true in the UK and is largely so in the US and Canada (except Québec, where the Civil Code is explicit about one's exclusive rights to one's image, and expensive for those who do not respect this), but it is NOT so for Spain and most European countries. The subject's permission is required-- you will note in Spanish news coverage, faces of passersby are blurred for legal reasons. In the Basque country, there is a general objection to photography of individuals without permission, for historical reasons.You are aware that in the UK, in a public place, you are "fair game" for anyone with a camera? The photographer would also be able to record your image when you are on private land as long as (s)he is on public land. Perhaps you are no longer living in this country?
Commercial use of images requires further consideration...
I remember on my first trip to Spain in 1965 the travel courier saying: "If you want to keep your camera and do not want a night in a police cell then do not photograph members of the Guardia Civil!"This may be true in the UK and is largely so in the US and Canada (except Québec, where the Civil Code is explicit about one's exclusive rights to one's image, and expensive for those who do not respect this), but it is NOT so for Spain and most European countries. The subject's permission is required-- you will note in Spanish news coverage, faces of passersby are blurred for legal reasons. In the Basque country, there is a general objection to photography of individuals without permission, for historical reasons.
There's lots of reference material out there for this.
I assure you that there are many threads I ignore. Leaving them alone will always bring me great pleasure.Holy moly, this thread is really droning on and on. I thought the Camino was all about pilgrimage and WALKING. Buen Camino
Well said . . .Holy moly, this thread is really droning on and on. I thought the Camino was all about pilgrimage and WALKING. Buen Camino
A gps track will do that just fine.My intention of using the drone is exactly to be able to document where I am going
Same. Or a good map/map app.and evaluate other possible options or problems on the road ahead with the drone.
IMHO (and use) ALL of these things (including a drone) can be useful in documenting a trail path such as a Camino.A gps track will do that just fine.
Same. Or a good map/map app.
Very nice indeed. My screen clipped off the bottom of the map so I couldn't see the legend "See Notes Below" and clicked futilely until I had the sense to scroll down!IMHO (and use) ALL of these things (including a drone) can be useful in documenting a trail path such as a Camino.
Take a look at my Trackcard 3 for Frances (Pamplona to Puente La Reina) and click on Pano #30 which is a magnificent drone pano of the approach to Puente La Reina - open on a laptop with tab in top right on full screen and take a good look around at this amazing situation remembering that not all people are ABLE to actually walk the Caminos (eg like me).
I defy you to find any people, just a few high flying birds.
In all the 320 panos I have used as "index panos" on the Camino Frances there are only about 3 of these from a drone and NONE are taken by pilgrims unfortunately.
As the OP says the drone to do this is a tiny device that weighs next to nothing and can easily be carried by a pilgrim interested in enhancing the Camino experience for those less fortunate.
Really very nice! Thank you.IMHO (and use) ALL of these things (including a drone) can be useful in documenting a trail path such as a Camino.
Take a look at my Trackcard 3 for Frances (Pamplona to Puente La Reina) and click on Pano #30 which is a magnificent drone pano of the approach to Puente La Reina - open on a laptop with tab in top right on full screen and take a good look around at this amazing situation remembering that not all people are ABLE to actually walk the Caminos (eg like me).
I defy you to find any people, just a few high flying birds.
In all the 320 panos I have used as "index panos" on the Camino Frances there are only about 3 of these from a drone and NONE are taken by pilgrims unfortunately.
As the OP says the drone to do this is a tiny device that weighs next to nothing and can easily be carried by a pilgrim interested in enhancing the Camino experience for those less fortunate.
But with no drone there is no annoying operator.Apologies. I intended to make a joke, not a criticism. Critical to that distinction of my criticisms as criticisms vs joking around, is the use of critical contemporary concerns being leveraged for use in non-critical humor.
Critical parameters also include the motivation. Now, I intend no offense or criticism to your posting about being critical. As you say, "It is not the Drones which annoy, it is the drone operators who do."
Just a joke. . . Big, Smiley-Face!!
So Paulo, are you including Street View in your own project?Really very nice! Thank you.
So to take this to the logical conclusion, no Camino then no pilgrims. Somewhere along the line RESPONSIBILITY is needed or we are always throwing the baby out with the bathwaterBut with no drone there is no annoying operator.And no fear of the drone crashing or hitting someone or something!
Yes, that is my Web-App solution using stacked iframes to avoiding the nasty "menu system" that worked fine on desktop PCs but became very messy (any easy to get lost) on mobile devices.Very nice indeed. My screen clipped off the bottom of the map so I couldn't see the legend "See Notes Below" and clicked futilely until I had the sense to scroll down!
Almost as much fun as being there - thank you.
EDIT: that's much more controllable than viewing it on StreetView - well done!
Sorry but this analogy makes no sense whatsoever to me. There is no logical conclusion or even connection between someone flying a drone and no camino then no pilgrims. The CAMINO WILL ALWAYS be there, in spite of intrusive drones flying overhead and possibly causing accidents. Pilgrims have walked for over 1000 years. The have received this privilege because the Camino grants us this. So it is completely illogical and pretty audacious to ever say no Camino, let alone no pilgrims.So to take this to the logical conclusion, no Camino then no pilgrims. Somewhere along the line RESPONSIBILITY is needed or we are always throwing the baby out with the bathwater
Er, actually it would be more logical (in terms of cause and effect) to say ‘no pilgrims, no Camino’.So to take this to the logical conclusion, no Camino then no pilgrims. Somewhere along the line RESPONSIBILITY is needed or we are always throwing the baby out with the bathwater
I think where Camo is going with this is:Sorry but this analogy makes no sense whatsoever to me. There is no logical conclusion or even connection between someone flying a drone and no camino then no pilgrims. The CAMINO WILL ALWAYS be there, in spite of intrusive drones flying overhead and possibly causing accidents. Pilgrims have walked for over 1000 years. The have received this privilege because the Camino grants us this. So it is completely illogical and pretty audacious to ever say no Camino, let alone no pilgrims.
Finally getting back to my first point, what happened to simplicity. I know some people look at the camino as something to make money from, some for a vacation, some for partying, some for reflection, some to get over grief or pain. There are so many reasons. I come from a place that the camino means simplicity and some pain and some joy and some freedom from my thoughts and burdens. Simplicity matters greatly to me. I walked my first 2 caminos without even a phone. Now I bring a phone because my wife insists on it. Simplicity is not a drone, or computers, or the many varied "conveniences of modern life". I am not condemning anyone for what they carry or what they want. it isn't my business but anything that intrudes on me like a drone or even an alarm that thoughtlessly goes off at 5AM, or deciding to pack at 4AM or playing with your phone at 3AM with the light in my eyes does intrude on me and I have a right to respectfully express my opinion.
Despite that, your response seems to be "Let's have no drones, that will enable us to ensure that there are no annoying drone operators."As I said above, I am starting a project to help demarcate and popularize the Camino Viejo from Pamplona, a route that is rarely walked to this day. This project is based on information from very experienced pilgrims.
Due to the fact that it is little used, the routes are not yet well defined.
My intention of using the drone is exactly to be able to document where I am going and evaluate other possible options or problems on the road ahead with the drone.
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I know how to respect individual rights to image, privacy and especially the moment that people have during their pilgrimage. to Santiago de Compostela.
This is not my first Camino and if there was any doubt that I would not take this care, I make it clear to you that I will.
nothing you wrote I disagree with it is the whole idea of technology and its intrusions as well as pilgrims who are annoying and disrespectful that I was alluding to. You can get rid of pilgrims but the camino in some manner will always be there. History does prove this. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.I think where Camo is going with this is:
There can be good drone operators and bad drone operators. For context, OP has repeatedly stated he has not intention of flying a drone on popular Camino routes or when there are any pilgrims around. As he wrote:
Despite that, your response seems to be "Let's have no drones, that will enable us to ensure that there are no annoying drone operators."
Similarly, there are nice pilgrims and annoying ones. We've all read plenty of threads about the annoying ones (the snorers and those who complain about the snorers, those who go to bed too late and those who get up too early, and so on ad infinitum). If we got rid of the Camino, that would get rid of all the annoying pilgrims.
Of course, this is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Better something a bit more targeted. Perhaps the same could be said with regards to drones.
You could probably get one from Amazon, if their search function wasn’t so broken.I am waiting for a drone with a "follow me” option that can carry a rucksack!
Thanks for posting that. Many have flown drones on the Camino, but I doubt many have bothered to check for legality.Download the "ENAIRE Drones" app which shows airspace regulations for all locations in Spain.
If you had included more of your explanation in the starting post (including this request), perhaps most of us would not have felt the need to post it ourselves.And again, let us restrict ourselves to helping people not invade the privacy or ruin the experience of others by simply asking for respect on their pilgrimage and that they take this into their daily lives. Whether this is used in the use of drones or in respecting the bed, rest and food of our pilgrim brothers.
Personally, if I were looking for a vicarious camino video, I would like one from two or three meters high. It would still get only the backs of heads, except for folks walking the other way. (If I were to publish such a video, I would blur faces and other identifiers.)I agree totally but the issue of privacy is (or should be) eliminated by virtue of the height of the camera. That is to say as long as the user is "professional" she/he will be taking advantage of the ability of the drone to "rise and take the BIG pano/video/picture" where all you will see is tops of heads as small dots.
Agree. I found the drones really annoying as well.Just don't fly it near other Pilgrims
Last year at the Cruz de Ferro a drone was buzzing around the cross!
Kind of killed the mood a bit......
AgreeI agree totally but the issue of privacy is (or should be) eliminated by virtue of the height of the camera. That is to say as long as the user is "professional" she/he will be taking advantage of the ability of the drone to "rise and take the BIG pano/video/picture" where all you will see is tops of heads as small dots.
However my experience is MOST drone users are just "grown up kids" with expensive toys looking for someone to impress with their "loop the loops" as people here are sadly relating.
I'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
Can you please let me know the source for this?you don’t need liability insurance unless you are flying the drone for commercial reasons.
Not sure I’m with you on this one. I think there is always privacy of others to consider. One thing is the law but another is respect for others. IMHO we must address both.- there is no privacy to consider when flying your drone while walking out in the countryside.
Yes, my pilot testing material for my pilot (not just operator) licence in 3 countries including Spain, which includes examples of where and how to fly your drone and clearly indicates what I described.Can you please let me know the source for this?
Because (from experience) they usually are and couldn't care less. Or worse, get defensive and angry that you don't like their toys buzzing you.As for the privacy of others, why do you assume that drone pilots are disrespectful?
Actually, it depends on the camera. I would like the view to appear as if my eyes were seeing it from there, which could mean a magnified/zoomed view from much higher.Personally, if I were looking for a vicarious camino video, I would like one from two or three meters high.
The only words more dangerous than "in my particular case" are "no exceptions". Human beings are not all the same and as a result, human circumstances and contexts are not all the same. The world is a much better place when we can apply good judgement and adapt to individual circumstances.I think the most helpful rule for all of us to follow is: "How would it be if everyone did what I'm doing (or propose to do)?" If the answer is, "The Camino would be a better place for everyone!" then you should do it. If the answer is, "The Camino would become a nightmare," don't do it.
Here's a small example: I met a man who told me he only stayed in donativos and municipal albergues. He then informed me that he shipped his luggage each day. I was stumped and said, "Wait, how can you ship your luggage to a donativo? I thought that wasn't allowed." He proudly responded, "Oh, no problem. I ship it to the nearest hotel. Then I go into the lobby and retrieve my luggage, and take it to the donativo. The next day, I get back into the hotel lobby to drop it off again. It's easy."
Now imagine if everyone on the Camino shipped their bags to hotels where they were NOT staying. It would be pandemonium. See what I mean?
I'm happy to report that I bit my tongue. There's a permanent scar...but I bit my tongue.
So, in this case, how would it be if everyone who hiked the Camino walked along with a drone? Would that make the Camino a better place? If yes, then do it. If not, then don't. I only encountered a couple of drones on the Camino Frances, but found them extremely annoying. It would be an absolute nightmare if the Camino became filled with them.
I read in the thread that this gentleman has a larger purpose: to introduce a new Camino route. But as a general life rule, the most dangerous words in the English language are "in my particular case." Because we can use those four words to justify almost any behavior.
Yes I have a suggestion. My suggestion to you is to try to figure out a better way to meet your goals that doesn't offend a large number of people.Any suggestions?!
I think my point still stands. There are plenty of things that are good in moderation but not to excess. Good if some people do them but not good if everybody does them. My examples fit this mould. Just because something is bad in excess (when everybody does it) does not make it bad when only a few people do it, and therefore something that should be avoided."What if everyone did X" is less about ethiics than about cumulative effect. In this case it's a good question, I think.
I'm not seeing how using a drone on a rarely walked route, away from all pilgrims (which is what is being proposed) offends a large number of people. Which people are being offended? Why?Yes I have a suggestion. My suggestion to you is to try to figure out a better way to meet your goals that doesn't offend a large number of people.
Birds, for starters. For some reason we humans don't think they count.If a drone is flown in isolation, far from other people, how is that impolite? Who is impolite to?
Who knows how large this group is? And why not consider them?I do not think this is a large group, and these sensitivities I do not think need to be catered to.
Admittedly, my observations are an unsupported opinion.I'm not seeing how using a drone on a rarely walked route, away from all pilgrims (which is what is being proposed) offends a large number of people. Which people are being offended? Why?
You seem to be in the latter group. If a drone is flown in isolation, far from other people, how is that impolite? Who is impolite to?
This is a drone DIY Trekker Street View Panorama on Day 3 of the Camino trail Paulo is proposingI'd like to know about people who has flown drones on the Camino.
I'm planning on doing the Camino, only in Spain. Thinking about taking with me a drone with camera that weights less than 250g.
Any suggestions?!
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