Faces of the Romanesque

[dick bird]

One of the few advantages of Covid, for me at least, was that being unable to walk the camino I was forced to read and learn about it and so I came to the Romanesque, a term used to refer to early Mediaeval architecture. It is really a misnomer apparently devised by early Gothic revivalists (Gothic itself was originally a pejorative and equally inaccurate term) to indicate that it was a style belonging to a culture that had yet to master the pointed arch and was so forced to rely on Roman models. It is a doubly misleading term because not only is the ´following Roman models´ argument questionable, it tends to shift the focus onto architecture and away from sculpture, despite the work of Arthur Kingsley Porter (and his wife) and Meyer Schapiro, and if there is one thing you can say about Romanesque sculpture, it did not follow Roman or Classical models. On the contrary, it completely rejected the idea that sculpture should express noble ideals through representations of the idealised human body. Looked at through 20th or 21st century eyes, it is expressive, lively, sometimes unsophisticated but is always trying to represent humans and their feelings as they really are

I hope that doesn´t sound too pretentious. Anyway, the last couple of caminos I´ve made a conscious effort to photo as much Romanesque and early mediaeval sculpture as I could. I put this video together as a bit of fun. Hope you enjoy it.

 

[mspath]

dick bird,

Thanks for your video and sharing your wonderful memories.

In graduate school 60 years ago I attended courses by the great art/architecture historian Meyer Schapiro. Several erudite lectures focused on the architecture along the Camino Frances, not only famous monuments but also simple vernacular buildings.

Schapiro stressed the importance of carved shells as the major iconic motif for identifying all related to Saint James as well as the immense social impact of the camino path across northern Spain.

Bingo I was hooked and decided that someday I would walk that path myself. I did in 2004 for the first of many times.I loved walking the camino then and continue to love those memories now. ...Again thank you for sharing yours.

 

[JustOneGuy]

I am glad you opened this thread, @dick bird. I was about to do something similar myself!

I was born and lived in Rome for about half my life. I don't know if you've ever been there but the city obviously has a patchwork of western architectural styles that are hard to find elsewhere: Roman antiquities, Middle Age, Gothic, Renaissance, Baroque, etc. You name it!

My good fortune is that my father, a failed architect because of the IIWW, but still an architecture enthusiast, used to take me almost every Sunday on very long walking tours of ancient Rome, introducing me also to gems that are unknown to most, half-hidden perhaps in the hallway of some Renaissance palace or in the many ancient city parks.

In this way I learned two things: first, to walk a long way and... second, to appreciate architecture. In short, I do not lack a “culture” of ancient architecture and various styles. To live in a city where there are almost a thousand churches, where you can absent-mindedly look at a zillion of Roman antiquities on your way to school, or visit 6 Caravaggio for free (in as many churches), or walk past works by authors such as Michelangelo, Bernini or Borromini every day is incredibly fortunate. The unique richness of materials, the beauty of certain architecture, are unparalleled elsewhere.

Yet...

Yet on a recent trip to the North of Spain - the same trip that made me start thinking about a Camino de Santiago... - I discovered Asturian Preromanesque ("prerromanico" as they call it there), and I was literally hypnotized by this style. It is reminiscent of something one might encounter in some regions of Italy (Tuscany or Lombardia for example), with austere but at the same time delicate facades built in warm-colored stones, but it remains different. The ratio of height to width of the facades, the ancestral faces of certain statues, the seriousness and at the same time lightness of certain constructions left me, who knows why literally astonished.

I stood staring at Santa Maria del Naranco or San Miguel de Lillo for a good hour each, circling them while trying to understand the impenetrable secret of so much fascination.

 

[Barbara]

Thank you. I enjoyed watching that.

 

[LibbyM]

One of the few advantages of Covid, for me at least, was that being unable to walk the camino I was forced to read and learn about it and so I came to the Romanesque, a term used to refer to early Mediaeval architecture. It is really a misnomer apparently devised by early Gothic revivalists (Gothic itself was originally a pejorative and equally inaccurate term) to indicate that it was a style belonging to a culture that had yet to master the pointed arch and was so forced to rely on Roman models. It is a doubly misleading term because not only is the ´following Roman models´ argument questionable, it tends to shift the focus onto architecture and away from sculpture, despite the work of Arthur Kingsley Porter (and his wife) and Meyer Schapiro, and if there is one thing you can say about Romanesque sculpture, it did not follow Roman or Classical models. On the contrary, it completely rejected the idea that sculpture should express noble ideals through representations of the idealised human body. Looked at through 20th or 21st century eyes, it is expressive, lively, sometimes unsophisticated but is always trying to represent humans and their feelings as they really are

I hope that doesn´t sound too pretentious. Anyway, the last couple of caminos I´ve made a conscious effort to photo as much Romanesque and early mediaeval sculpture as I could. I put this video together as a bit of fun. Hope you enjoy it.

That was amazing. Thank you!

 

[Barbara]

I hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your thread, but I thought you might like to see some paintings in the Abbey Church of Saint Savin, on the Tours route eastern variant. Video of Saint Savin
We don't see many pilgrims on this route, which is a shame, as there is some wonderful architecture, as well as great scenery and French food.

 

[Editha]

One of the few advantages of Covid, for me at least, was that being unable to walk the camino I was forced to read and learn about it and so I came to the Romanesque, a term used to refer to early Mediaeval architecture. It is really a misnomer apparently devised by early Gothic revivalists (Gothic itself was originally a pejorative and equally inaccurate term) to indicate that it was a style belonging to a culture that had yet to master the pointed arch and was so forced to rely on Roman models. It is a doubly misleading term because not only is the ´following Roman models´ argument questionable, it tends to shift the focus onto architecture and away from sculpture, despite the work of Arthur Kingsley Porter (and his wife) and Meyer Schapiro, and if there is one thing you can say about Romanesque sculpture, it did not follow Roman or Classical models. On the contrary, it completely rejected the idea that sculpture should express noble ideals through representations of the idealised human body. Looked at through 20th or 21st century eyes, it is expressive, lively, sometimes unsophisticated but is always trying to represent humans and their feelings as they really are

I hope that doesn´t sound too pretentious. Anyway, the last couple of caminos I´ve made a conscious effort to photo as much Romanesque and early mediaeval sculpture as I could. I put this video together as a bit of fun. Hope you enjoy it.

I just came back from the Camino Aragones and one for my favorites is the monestery of St. Jean de la Pena with the fantastic sculptures and capitals. There are wonderful artworks which you can enjoy. But sometimes I am a little bit sad, that I knew to little about the bible to understand the story these artists want to tell the viewer. For us it is now an artwork , for the people of that time it was a story of the bible and it was made to tell them about these stories. The Artist who made the stone flow and move wanted to express these stories.

 

[Perambulating Griffin]

If memory serves, think the top one is Jesus arriving to Calvary on an ass (to mock the Romans; it's a real act of defiance and challenge) before the rigged trial. The right hand appears to be raised in the typical blessing posture, so that leads me to think that the closest man is a supporter... but this could also be the "forgive them for they know not what they do" moment. And I'm a bit confounded by whatever it is that the first man is holding. It's not Jesus' clothes (he still has those on).

Wish I could walk all l around this in person to see it better.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

@Perambulating Griffin made it a bit difficult to quote him but pretend I am. I have visited San Juan and took a couple of pictures of the handout they lend visitors and they have labeled one of the capitals as Jesus entering Jerusalem. The following webpage describes a number of the capitals including this one. It says someone is draping a garment on the ground. The webpage also describes @Editha's other photo as the transformation of water into wine, also mentioned in the handout

San Juan de La Pena, Service and Miracles

Up in the remote hills in northern Spain, the monastery of San Juan de la Pena contains the ruins of a tiny cloister, with magnificent capitals telling religious stories to the monks who walked there. Narrative TableauxRomanesque capitals and tympana, among other carvings, tell stories, but...

www.pilgrimtothepast.com

 

[Perambulating Griffin]

@Perambulating Griffin made it a bit difficult to quote him but pretend I am. I have visited San Juan and took a couple of pictures of the handout they lend visitors and they have labeled one of the capitals as Jesus entering Jerusalem. The following webpage describes a number of the capitals including this one. It says someone is draping a garment on the ground. The webpage also describes @Editha's other photo as the transformation of water into wine, also mentioned in the handout

San Juan de La Pena, Service and Miracles

Up in the remote hills in northern Spain, the monastery of San Juan de la Pena contains the ruins of a tiny cloister, with magnificent capitals telling religious stories to the monks who walked there. Narrative TableauxRomanesque capitals and tympana, among other carvings, tell stories, but...

www.pilgrimtothepast.com

Yes, sorry… that’s the point of entry; Jerusalem… not Calvary (not quite yet)… and if that’s the cloak, it’s a kind of “rolling out the red carpet”… (Sorry… I have CoV right now and my brain is really foggy, and I can’t remember which Gospel it is in, but it’s for Sunday before Easter, at least in Calendar B IIRC).
I will look at the other photo again… The water part was clear to me, but the transformation was not. Just looked like spilling…

She/her — but I’m always amused about being read as male on the page.

Thanks for the link!

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

She/her — but I’m always amused about being read as male on the page.

Sorry, I should have remembered you mentioning this before. On the other hand, Griffin seems to be primarily a name for males. But, back to the first hand again, both my sister and brother were given names used for both genders, I should have been more careful.

BTW, @Camino Chrissy used to have your problem when her handle was Camino Chris.

 

[Perambulating Griffin]

Sorry, I should have remembered you mentioning this before. On the other hand, Griffin seems to be primarily a name for males. But, back to the first hand again, both my sister and brother were given names used for both genders, I should have been more careful.

BTW, @Camino Chrissy used to have your problem when her handle was Camino Chris.

In my case Griffin is a family surname, but my actual first name in real life always results in my CC being handed back toward my spouse if I pay when we go out for dinner. That I stick an honorific in front of my name probably makes it worse, but if I didn't do that... well, I'd have to battle with a very neotenous face, so people would look for my parent, or ask if my kid is my boyfriend, or my brother... Even with the honorific, I get congratulated for apparent precocity. The world is very odd...

Anyway, no harm... just thought I'd mention it... it doesn't *bother* me... for the rest it's just 'information" (that might temper how I am read...).

 

[GaleW]

One of the few advantages of Covid, for me at least, was that being unable to walk the camino I was forced to read and learn about it and so I came to the Romanesque, a term used to refer to early Mediaeval architecture. It is really a misnomer apparently devised by early Gothic revivalists (Gothic itself was originally a pejorative and equally inaccurate term) to indicate that it was a style belonging to a culture that had yet to master the pointed arch and was so forced to rely on Roman models. It is a doubly misleading term because not only is the ´following Roman models´ argument questionable, it tends to shift the focus onto architecture and away from sculpture, despite the work of Arthur Kingsley Porter (and his wife) and Meyer Schapiro, and if there is one thing you can say about Romanesque sculpture, it did not follow Roman or Classical models. On the contrary, it completely rejected the idea that sculpture should express noble ideals through representations of the idealised human body. Looked at through 20th or 21st century eyes, it is expressive, lively, sometimes unsophisticated but is always trying to represent humans and their feelings as they really are

I hope that doesn´t sound too pretentious. Anyway, the last couple of caminos I´ve made a conscious effort to photo as much Romanesque and early mediaeval sculpture as I could. I put this video together as a bit of fun. Hope you enjoy it.

Well done! Thank you.