Detailed Planning for Viejo/Olvidado from Pamplona

Thats a really interesting route.
It goes more to the south than the one I'm planning.
From close to Miranda De Ebro, I'll follow the Ebro river and this tout keeps going paralel to it. And both of them seem to be called Viejo.
I'll start my camino on October 3rd and keep you informed.

VNwalking said:

Oh, another possible route!!
What we planned on this thread is the route that goes from Trespaderne direct to Aguilar de Campoo.

What Ender seems to be doing is the way that goes from Oña to a bit South of AdC. Here's from one of the photos you posted, Laurie, blown up - it shows both possibilities:
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This is what I'll try to acomplish.

VNwalking said:

Please!
From Frias on the route you're planning to walk, if you make your way to Oña, you can follow that more Southerly route.

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You think it's a better option?

peregrina2000 said:

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A bit off-topic sorry -- but whilst the route shown for El Viejo Camino on this map looks solid enough, its depiction of the Roman roads in northern Spain is laughably incorrect, and some of the very old Camino routes in those regions are mysteriously absent -- and that cannot be at all helpful for anyone planning similar.

It mysteriously depicts some secondary Roman roads as being principal ones, but leaves out the major route from the Via Aquitana to Burgos (roughly equivalent to the modern Vasco Interior), and a main road stretched between Burgos and Logroño, then headed towards Girona and Rome (equivalent to the Camí Catalàn via Lleida).

Its depiction of the roads in Western Galicia is particularly egregious -- the main road there was the basis of what became the Portuguese Central, not the bizarre concoction they seem to have come up with, to try and present Fisterra as some kind of ancient way. No, the road going there was a tertiary dirt track towards various fishing villages.

Sigh. At least they got the complicated Arzúa - Lugo- León section of the roads mostly right ...

More on-topic, these mistakes have led them to leave out of their route mapping the section of the Vasco Interior between San Sebastián and Vitoria. Also it leaves out options northward from Logroño up the Ebro river valley.

It's BTW worth remembering in these projects to recreate "old" Camino routes that northern Spain was only intermittently interdicted to Christian pilgrims in Muslim-ruled areas.

VNwalking said:

I have no idea! It goes though Oña, which looks really interesting. And maybe Poza de la Sal, too, though it's hard to tell from the map. And I vaguely remember it being a historical route.

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According to the 1990s French & Spanish IGN map of historical Camino routes, that one leads down to Frómista (probably via Aguilar de Campoo -- it's a map of Europe so lacking in fine detail).

Maybe it has something to do with that monk Gundisalvo who walked in the 10/11C?