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Nope. No sense in it at all. How do you propose to get from Paris to Pamplona? Continue with your plan to make your way to St Jean. Walk via Valcarlos, save yourself from walking over that unnecessary hill. The weather will be what it is. It’ll just be more unpleasant on that unnecessary hillHello All!
I am a nervous first timer trying the first hike on CF from September 24-28, flying from NY area to Paris.
Original plan was SJPDP to Pamplona, but then heard it will be rainy during this time. Worrying about the 1st challenging steep climb combined with wet road condition, and my lack of experience, i want to switch to hike the section from Pamplona to Logrono.
Does it make sense? Your advise will be apprecited.
Nope. No sense in it at all. How do you propose to get from Paris to Pamplona? Continue with your plan to make your way to St Jean. Walk via Valcarlos, save yourself from walking over that unnecessary hill. The weather will be what it is. It’ll just be more unpleasant on that unnecessary hill
(chuckle)Nope. No sense in it at all. How do you propose to get from Paris to Pamplona?
Yes. Still working full time. Can only take 1 week off for vacation. Planning to do sections of Camino.Assuming your intention is to do the CF in sections, it makes perfect sense.
No. If you look at a map or app, you'll see that there are two routes from SJPP to Roncesvalles: one through Orisson (with a very steep hill near the start), or one through Valcarlos.Is Valcarlos on the way from Orisson to Roncesvalles
The already-purchased flight from Bilbao makes it easier on the Logrono part. There are direct trains and buses from Logrono to Bilbao. Also from Pamplona to Bilbao, if slightly longer.I can't change flights to/from Paris CDG. I also bought a exit flight from Bilbao to Paris for Plan A.
Now my plan B to do Pamplona to Logrono, i was thinking about train to Bayonne 1st night, next day to San Sebastian, then to Pamplona.
Madrid is a nice thought! I see evening flights available from CDG on my arrival day. Train to Pamplona. Looks easier than my thoughts. Great! Thanks KFH.
Is Valcarlos on the way from Orisson to Roncesvalles, to avoid that Hill (what is it)? @Tincatinker
Your arrangements will fit right in with starting on Pamplona! No need to go to San Sebastian first. From Bayonne there's an 8:15 AM bus directly to Pamplona, arriving at 9:44 AM. ALSA is the operator. $34. Easy to book on Omio.com. Frankly, it's really stupid to do that climb in a heavy rain, and be miserable. Even if it's raining in Pamplona at the same time, you won't be up in the mountains and the weather will be more bearable. Pamplona to Logrono makes for a great first Camino, and I bet you'll get hooked. Personally, I never listen to anyone when they tell me what I SHOULD do or what I MUST do. Do what feels right for you. And Buen Camino!Original plan was:
Landing Paris CDG at 1pm. Take train 4p to Bordeaux and arrive Bayonne 10pm and stay overnight. Next day get to SJPDP and stay overnight. Start walking 1st day to Orisson, 2nd day to Roncesvalles, 3rd to Zubiri, 4th to Pamplona.
But really not sure if i can handle the steep climbing combined with storming weather......
Thanks everyone for your thoughts!
I hope @trecile means Plan B and if so then I wholeheartedly concur.Both plans look good, but I vote for a more relaxed Camino.
Yes, I meant Plan B.I hope @trecile means Plan B and if so then I wholeheartedly concur.
If you do start in Pamplona, I’d advise that you at least walk the Camino east until you cross the Magdalena Bridge and then enjoy the entry walk back into the city. Not quite the same after a long hike, and Burlada was basically urban sprawl, but Pamplona.Hello All!
I am a nervous first timer trying the first hike on CF from September 24-28, flying from NY area to Paris.
Original plan was SJPDP to Pamplona, but then heard it will be rainy during this time. Worrying about the 1st challenging steep climb combined with wet road condition, and my lack of experience, i want to switch to hike the section from Pamplona to Logrono.
Does it make sense? Your advise will be apprecited.
I agree with the others-- If you gave me the choice, I would easily say Plan B. And I love the idea for you to slow it down before Logrono. You could mix and match many places for a slow down between Los Arcos and Logrono, and with an earlier entry to Logrono you've set yourself up for a wonderful experience.Hopefully by tomorrow I will finalize between these 2 plans:
*Plan A will allow me to see a little bit of Bayonne, San Sebastian, Pamplona, and Bilbao.
D1 Paris CDG - Bayonne
D2 Donostia / San Sebastián
D3 Pamplona
D4 Puente de la Reina - 24km
D5 Estella - 22km
D6 Sansol – 25.5km
D7 Logrono – 20.4km
D8 Bilbao
D9 Fly to Paris
D10 Fly home
*Plan B will allow me to focus more on the Camino, even a little more relaxed pace.
D1 Paris CDG - Madrid MAD
D2 Pamplona
D3 Puente de la Reina - 24km
D4 Estella - 22km
D5 Sansol – 25.5km
D6 Viana – 12km
D7 Logrono - 8.7km
D8 Bilbao
D9 Fly to Paris
D10 Fly home
I was thinking Zubiri would be the problem more so than getting up to Roncevalles. I'm a life long hiker so I sometimes don't think about what things are like for others unless I am walking with them.This is a long thread, and I haven't read every comment. If it hasn't been said already, let me be the first to say: There is no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes. So if you have good wet-weather gear you should be fine.
If you do walk from SJPdP, and if it is raining when you get to Alto de Erro, or if it has recently rained, take the road to Zubiri. The "path" (it doesn't really justify the word) from Alto de Erro to Zubiri is steep, narrow, and dangerous. I made it, but only just.
Love this idea. Will try it. Thank youuuuu!If you do start in Pamplona, I’d advise that you at least walk the Camino east until you cross the Magdalena Bridge and then enjoy the entry walk back into the city. Not quite the same after a long hike, and Burlada was basically urban sprawl, but Pamplona.
You can also start from Pamplona, and if the weather is good, taxi out to Zubiri and enjoy the hike in with minimal gear.
Another option is train(tvg) or fly Paris to Barcelona then train to Pamplona via Zaragosa.I can't change flights to/from Paris CDG. I also bought a exit flight from Bilbao to Paris for Plan A.
Now my plan B to do Pamplona to Logrono, i was thinking about train to Bayonne 1st night, next day to San Sebastian, then to Pamplona.
Madrid is a nice thought! I see evening flights available from CDG on my arrival day. Train to Pamplona. Looks easier than my thoughts. Great! Thanks KFH.
Is Valcarlos on the way from Orisson to Roncesvalles, to avoid that Hill (what is it)? @Tincatinker
Yes its makes sense, I would personally start in Pamplona if worried, great walk on either route, In the rain from SJPDP to Zuburi not much fun. EnjoyHello All!
I am a nervous first timer trying the first hike on CF from September 24-28, flying from NY area to Paris.
Original plan was SJPDP to Pamplona, but then heard it will be rainy during this time. Worrying about the 1st challenging steep climb combined with wet road condition, and my lack of experience, i want to switch to hike the section from Pamplona to Logrono.
Does it make sense? Your advise will be apprecited.
I like the idea of routing through SJ to Pamplona. I see 2 options online:Or if you wanted to see SJPP you could go there from Bayonne as planned, then taxi or bus to Pamplona.
I walked from SJPP to Roncesvalles in rainy weather, and quite frankly, it was miserable. There was no view to see whatsoever due to poor visibility. And isn't that the major draw of walking over the Pyrannes? I was also freezing cold even though it was almost July. I imagine it will be even colder this time of year. The stretch between Orrison and Roncesvalles can be very steep in sections, and felt very treacherous in the rain. A man fell that day and broke his femur. Awful. Not to mention there is absolutely no place to stop for the restroom. You will have to squat, in the wet, muddy woods, and hope you don't slide down the hill. There is no place for food or drink, other than the food truck at the top. But no restroom there. Similarly, the walk into Zubiri is steep and can be quite treacherous in the rain. In poor weather, starting from Pamplona is an excellent idea. You will have a much better experience, especially if you only have a few days. Make the most of them. No one is handing out badges for being wet, cold, and physically exhausted on a their Camino.Hello All!
I am a nervous first timer trying the first hike on CF from September 24-28, flying from NY area to Paris.
Original plan was SJPDP to Pamplona, but then heard it will be rainy during this time. Worrying about the 1st challenging steep climb combined with wet road condition, and my lack of experience, i want to switch to hike the section from Pamplona to Logrono.
Does it make sense? Your advise will be apprecited.
This is very good adviceI walked from SJPP to Roncesvalles in rainy weather, and quite frankly, it was miserable. There was no view to see whatsoever due to poor visibility. And isn't that the major draw of walking over the Pyrannes? I was also freezing cold even though it was almost July. I imagine it will be even colder this time of year. The stretch between Orrison and Roncesvalles can be very steep in sections, and felt very treacherous in the rain. A man fell that day and broke his femur. Awful. Not to mention there is absolutely no place to stop for the restroom. You will have to squat, in the wet, muddy woods, and hope you don't slide down the hill. There is no place for food or drink, other than the food truck at the top. But no restroom there. Similarly, the walk into Zubiri is steep and can be quite treacherous in the rain. In poor weather, starting from Pamplona is an excellent idea. You will have a much better experience, especially if you only have a few days. Make the most of them. No one is handing out badges for being wet, cold, and physically exhausted on a their Camino.
Your experience shared here is exactly what i was worrying about, and what i couldn't handle.I walked from SJPP to Roncesvalles in rainy weather, and quite frankly, it was miserable. There was no view to see whatsoever due to poor visibility. And isn't that the major draw of walking over the Pyrannes? I was also freezing cold even though it was almost July. I imagine it will be even colder this time of year. The stretch between Orrison and Roncesvalles can be very steep in sections, and felt very treacherous in the rain. A man fell that day and broke his femur. Awful. Not to mention there is absolutely no place to stop for the restroom. You will have to squat, in the wet, muddy woods, and hope you don't slide down the hill. There is no place for food or drink, other than the food truck at the top. But no restroom there. Similarly, the walk into Zubiri is steep and can be quite treacherous in the rain. In poor weather, starting from Pamplona is an excellent idea. You will have a much better experience, especially if you only have a few days. Make the most of them. No one is handing out badges for being wet, cold, and physically exhausted on a their Camino.
Sounds like a great time. Just make sure your D2 fits together correctly and confirm the bus departure-- and that the hours available to spend in St Jean are worth doing it that way.My fully activated plan B, with all your generous help here.
Rain or shine, I am with peace. I hope it will turn out as rewarding as i expected.
Thank you all
D1 arrive Paris CDG - train to Bayonne
D2 Pamplona: train to SJPDP, then bus to Pamplona
D3 Puente de la Reina - 24km
D4 Estella - 22km
D5 Los Arcos – 21km
D6 Viana – 18km
D7 Logrono -14km
D8 Bilbao
D9 Fly to Paris
D10 Fly home
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