CroPilgrim
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i am sure there was a reason. it's a shame we do not know what it was. let's give her the benefit of the doubt and assume there was a valid reason for asking you to leave.Hey everyone… I just want to check with you about a very strange situation I just had… or there is an explanation for that… It was 11:15 am (10 min ago) and I was at La Portela de Vlacarce. Small church was open so I entered for a rest and a prayer. There was a pilgrim girl inside lighting a candle and puting coins in for it. Three minutes later as I started praying in silence an old woman from the next door house comes in and tells us to leave (spanish speaking only). Asked why? She just waved her hands for us to leave… tought she has to close or something… left and I looked behind, she just exited the church and entered her home. Church door still open.
What the hell is up with that?! Kicking pilgrims out of the church?!
This isn't a very constructive reply to a sensible question. Best to keep comments like that to yourself as I'm sure the woman had a good reason even tho she seemed impatient. Different nationalties, different ways of expressing themselves.Maybe she is just a jerk. They exist everywhere.
I’m sorry you took it that way. I think it’s very constructive. If one goes through life getting upset every time their paths cross with a jerk, unnecessary stress occurs. There are plenty of unpleasant people in the world, I’m sure including Spain. When encountering these people, I recommend letting it go and moving on rather than ruminating over their rude behavior. Specifically, maybe this woman doesn’t like pilgrims and is annoyed by us. I would not let that bother me very long. Living a stress free life is important to me and fussing over the behavior of a jerk I happened to encounter.This isn't a very constructive reply to a sensible question. Best to keep comments like that to yourself as I'm sure the woman had a good reason even tho she seemed impatient. Different nationalties, different ways of expressing themselves.
But you don't know... maybe it was time to vacuum up the gunk from pilgrim boots on the floors, maybe it was time to put new prayer books and other materials on the table and set up parishioner information access... It's not just about the alter.I hope there was a valid reason. I don’t have a clue what it could be since she didn’t close the church or anything… prepping for the noon mass is to early at 11:15, altar that size takes about 3 min to prep…(elements already there) but ok… it was what it was… let’s continue along the Way…
However the OP was asking for explanations which others gave him so your comment wasn't constructive - it was just a subjective comment how you perceived the woman to be.
Meh. I think when it's a sort of urgent/sensitive setting (even open-doored government buildings have fairly obvious reasons they would not want random people just traipsing in), the use of a universal "please leave promptly" sign language makes sense. It's not meant to be rude; it's meant to be *clear*. The woman could not read your mind to know your mother tongue. She could grasp that your Spanish wasn't great and that she needed to communicate to you in an immediate way that you were, as you had no business to complete there, trespassing.I found that comment fine. It's no more subjective that any of the speculation on noon masses or preventing theft. As pilgrims, the vast majority of time we're met with kindness and generosity and welcome. Many of us are guests in a foreign country so yes, points taken about how we might not always understand local customs and language. Let's be honest about things not going perfectly. We're all human and even Spanish humans have personalities and moods. From my own experience, I poked my head in a local government building, might have been in Santo Domingo de la Calzada. The doors were open and from the street it looked like I might have been able to admire the lobby at least from inside. I asked in halting Spanish if I could visit and the women inside said no and made a shooing motion and I apologized. I got over it but making a shooing motion I found to be rather rude! Uncharacteristically so which might be why I remember it at all. They're so patient and kind with us 99% of the time is the real takeaway.Why the post was written, why people are trying to explain what happened. Proceed.
Meh. I think when it's a sort of urgent/sensitive setting (even open-doored government buildings have fairly obvious reasons they would not want random people just traipsing in), the use of a universal "please leave promptly" sign language makes sense. It's not meant to be rude; it's meant to be *clear*. The woman could not read your mind to know your mother tongue. She could grasp that your Spanish wasn't great and that she needed to communicate to you in an immediate way that you were, as you had no business to complete there, trespassing.
Very helpful. Thank You.The complexities of human behavior often defy a straightforward explanation. Sometimes events occur beyond the realm of rational understanding. Allow this to serve as a reminder that personal detachment can be a valuable approach when faced with similar situations. I try to remember that the situation is not about me, but it is about what is going on in the life of the "other".
What is important now is to embrace a forward-looking perspective and adopt a forgiving stance. It will not only facilitate personal growth but will also allow one to navigate life's unpredictable journey with grace and resilience.
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