Backpack question: Ospreys Stratos 36L vs 44L?

[bplsilva]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

 

[isawtman]

For the 36 you could always hang a bag off the back of it if
you need more room. You failed to mention when exactly you are
doing the camino. If it is in the summer, you need less stuff, so
the 36 might work out. The one thing you could do is assemble
all the stuff you are bringing with you on the camino and see if
it fits.

 

[bplsilva]

Oh, yes. I forgot to mention. I will be walking the Camino from mid May to mid June, if everything goes well. Was planning to carry a light sleeping bag, a polar fleece, and perhaps a light blanket aswell just in case.

 

[C clearly]

what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Collect all the things you intend to carry, take them to the store, and see if you have as much space as you want. Take a plastic garbage bag with you to protect the pack. You probably don't want to have the pack bursting at the seams, and should have a bit of room for a snack and extra drink, but you do not need vast amounts of extra space.

 

[Robo]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I use a Stratos 36L. It fits all I need, including sleeping bag etc, for Caminos in the Spring, Summer or Autumn. I might need slightly larger for Winter.

 

[AMDG56]

i have an Osprey 33L. plenty of space for 1 month+ caminos

 

[HikingGeo]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I used a Stratos 36 and found it quite satisfactory.

 

[green_spork]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

Used A Stratos 36L from spring to late summer/early fall! No complaints!
Had more than enough space!
Purely personal choice, though, some people just feel they need that extra space!
Maybe try on another brands 44L, just to get a comparison! The new deuter future range is very similar to the Stratos!

 

[VNwalking]

I have a bigger pack and am happy with that, but then often walk when it's colder. And for personal reasons need a bit more space.
But since you'll be walking May-June, you likely won't need the extra space. I like @C clearly's idea of taking your stuff in and seeing how it fits. Personally, I like not having to stuff everything in tightly. But you have to be disciplined in packing, and (especially!) disciplined about not acquiring stuff along the way.

 

[NorthernLight]

What they said … and you won’t need both a sleeping bag and a blanket if you are sleeping indoors.

Edited to add: if the shop you have access to is MEC, order the 44L bag, as you can return it to the store after trying it. But unless you can be stern with yourself about not packing all the ‘what if’ items, then be careful about buying a bag bigger than you need.

 

[Sirage]

44
and don’t take more stuff.

 

[Damien Reynolds]

I personally have used an Osprey 36L for years in all seasons and have even recently used the 34L for a 65 day fall/winter caminos! It's a great pack, and when it tears five years from now you send it to Osprey and they replace it for free!

I am currently on the camino with my 34 (but I actually liked the 36 better) carrying the following:

2 x pants
2 x shorts
4 x shirts
4 x underwear
3 x wool socks
3 x sock liners
1 pair longjohns
1 towel
1 rain shell
1 rain pants
1 pair lightweight gloves
1 fleece pullover
1 down thermal Sheet (it's a sleeping bag for indoors)
1 pair sneakers for town
1 heating coil
1 mug
1 daypack for town
Assorted toiletries (the usual)
Electronic charger and cables and brick

With food for lunch and water (1.5-2 liters)

 

[Luther]

I carried the 36 Stratos in 2016 from mid April to mid May, and did not carry a sleeping bag, blanket, and only a light fleece. I found I could barely fit everything in, and even had to leave a pair of long johns in the donativo box is the SJPdP municipal albergue just to have enough room to carry my lunch and water. My pack weighed 17 pounds. I think you'll need the 44.

 

[Trekker One]

I see a lot of people struggle with the 'micro packs.' A week into their walk, things don't fit quite as neatly as the first pack they did at home.
I see people hanging alot of stuff outside their small pack, which to me defeats the reason behind a small pack.
I've never regretted my 60L pack on my six Camino's.

 

[calmeg]

We both had the 36 L packs for Norte/primitivo caminos. We also carried a small, lightweight sleeping bag and rain gear which proved essential. 36 L was big enough for everything, plus our lunches each day. The 36 stratos also fit into the airlines box to qualify as a carry on bag. Perfect bag for us!

 

[Amused212]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I used the Osprey 36L and added a waterproof stuff sack (think tube) to hang off the bottom. I used the stuff sack for my sleeping gear (light down quilt, thin fleece, sleep clothes). Worked well for me. I am a small woman and the Osprey rep fitted me with the small 36L backpack. I don't imagine you will need all the space in the 44L but I don't know what your packing list/needs are. If considering the 44L, do the same walk-around you did with the 36L. When I bought a 24L for another purpose, the Osprey did not fit comfortable and I ended up with the Gregory.

 

[trecile]

I see a lot of people struggle with the 'micro packs.' A week into their walk, things don't fit quite as neatly as the first pack they did at home.
I see people hanging alot of stuff outside their small pack, which to me defeats the reason behind a small pack

I agree that hanging things off your pack defeats the purpose of a small pack, but I wouldn't call a 36 liter pack a "micro pack!"

 

[henrythedog]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I wouldn’t buy the 44 without trying it in first. ‘Fit’ is more important than capacity (within reason).

A 36L should be sufficient in my opinion. I could go smaller and I walk out of the warm months; but don’t want to have to be overly precise when loading the sack.

 

[Former member 92300]

Don't think in terms of "what if I need more space", think in terms of "what is the minimum I need to be comfortable". You only NEED water and one set of clothes to wear and preferably ONE set of clothes to pack. Some of us LIKE to have 1 extra set of clothes to pack so we don't have to do laundry daily. Beyond that - you need a very small toiletry kit, very small first aid kit, rain gear, cold weather gear appropriate for the season (so layer short sleeve shirts with long sleeve shirts and a fleece or a puffy and if really cold you can use your rain jacket as an additional or stand alone layer). You might want your phone/charging cables/eu outlet converter. You also need some sort of sleep system - but keep it compact and light. I like a silk liner with a summer temperature rated down sleeping bag that is very compact and compressible. And you probably want a towel of some sort and probably a pair of sandals/shoes for the evenings.

You appear to be an average size man - therefore your clothes should not take up more space than any other average size pilgrim. With that in mind - you should easily be able to fit the minimal gear into a 36L pack (unless you have a big bulky sleeping bag). I can easily fit my gear into a 24L pack and still have room to carry a few snacks and that is with bringing extra clothes. Of course - I am a female, with a small to medium build female but would not be considered "petite".

And I would not consider a 36L a micro pack for a Camino. It would be a micropack for a wilderness hiking trip in which you need to carry a tent and cooking supplies and a warmer sleeping bag. But for a Camino - where you have a bed to sleep in every night and you pass restaurants and supermarkets AT LEAST once a day... then a 36L pack is NOT a micro pack for the circumstance. And BTW - I don't need to hang ANYTHING outside of a 24 or 30L pack unless it is for the sole purpose of drying items that are still too damp to pack.

For the Via Francigena I am needing to bring a little more gear for camping and will be required to carry more food daily - and I still can use a 34L pack just fine - giving myself plenty of space for 1-2 days worth of food on the stretches where there are no services available. .

Remember - the less you carry, the happier you will be with regards to the weight of your backpack and thus have less aches and pains. If you buy the bigger pack - often people tend to want to fill them up with "what if" items that they probably will never use. If you do go for the bigger pack - which might be best for you for future use in different circumstances - be mindful that you don't overpack it.

 

[Amused212]

I do the hanging thing with a waterproof stuff sack. I am mindful of the extra weight and volume and take that into consideration when packing my 36L backpack. Since I use the hanging stuff sack for my sleeping gear, it is an organizational thing.

 

[BombayBill]

I’d say fit, empty pack weight, and pack features are key considerations. I have a super light Osprey Exos 58l. I chose it because it had a ventilated back for hot weather hiking. Hip pockets for essential items that had to be at hand while walking. A detachable lid that serves as my “purse” when on transport, serves as a shopping bag, and is my night bag. I went with 55l but it remains only 2/3 full on Camino. It tends to fill up when leaving the trail and holidaying prior to returning home.

It’s always a matter of personal needs, weather, and compromises when making gear decisions. My advice is don’t rush, try out your choices.

 

[lt56ny]

Oh, yes. I forgot to mention. I will be walking the Camino from mid May to mid June, if everything goes well. Was planning to carry a light sleeping bag, a polar fleece, and perhaps a light blanket aswell just in case.

If you have the sleeping bag you don't need the blanket. In case you are still cold wear your fleece to bed. In the mornings wear lightweight baselayer pants with shorts over them. When it warms up take off the baselayer and stick it in your pack and put your shorts on and you are ready to go. Personally I think you can easily do it with a 36L pack.

 

[JCB]

I walked the Norte in the Fall with a Stratos 36L. It weighed 18 pounds including water. I found it very comfortable. After the first couple of days, I didn't even think about it as weight. I didn't carry a sleeping bag; just a liner. I don't recall an albergue without a blanket. I highly recommend this pack

 

[KiwiJohn]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

Bruno. Go for the 36L. Decision made!
PS. I am getting the same one for my start on the 26th of August. Go well!

 

[WisTom]

I've used the Osprey Talon 44 (which is 42L in the S/M version that I have). It's been great on my three caminos and the VF. My shortest camino was the CF from SJPP to Santiago. I'm 70 kg and typically carry 10kg without a problem. (Age 72 BTW). I'm walking now on the Mozárabe and will be doing 70km in the next two days. I love this pack. Check it out.

 

[Anthony Rocco]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I've done two caminos with the 36L. Love it. There's plenty of room for me, but I pack less and less and less with each subsequent camino. I suspect I'm not alone in that regard. I do hang my sandals on the back, but that's because it feels sooooo good at the end of the day to shed the shoes and socks and put on sandals the faster the better. My pack is not full, so I always carry food and snacks for the two of us.

Just like talking in general about caminos, it's all about you...not me, not anyone else. I love the 36L because it is so easy to adjust and I like to adjust fairly frequently as I walk. I start with everything tight, then adjust as I go along.

 

[Mananath]

I used the Stratos 36l last summer on the CF. I never once found myself wishing I had a larger pack. It was the perfect size for me and my needs. I am a fairly minimalist packer however and was staying in hotels. My vote is for the 36L, esp for the time of year you want to use it. When it comes time to pack it up if you feel you can't fit everything than it probably means you are overpacking and can dump some stuff.

Just an added note about the pack in general: I loved it. I love how it feels when I am wearing it. I love that after wearing it for 4 weeks I had zero shoulder or back pain. and I definitely love having a dry back thanks to the clever and effective ventilation system.

 

[KiwiJohn]

I've used the Osprey Talon 44 (which is 42L in the S/M version that I have). It's been great on my three caminos and the VF. My shortest camino was the CF from SJPP to Santiago. I'm 70 kg and typically carry 10kg without a problem. (Age 72 BTW). I'm walking now on the Mozárabe and will be doing 70km in the next two days. I love this pack. Check it out.

We're the same age Tom. I have put the Te Araroa (NZ's long pathway) on hold after completing 800 odd kms to start the Camino on August 26th. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[KFH]

The 36 stratos also fit into the airlines box to qualify as a carry on bag.

I have the same bag but have never taken it on a plane. I remember reading somewhere that because of the hard back it might not fit as a carryon. Anyone ever had trouble with it being a carryon?

Just an added note about the pack in general: I loved it. I love how it feels when I am wearing it. I love that after wearing it for 4 weeks I had zero shoulder or back pain. and I definitely love having a dry back thanks to the clever and effective ventilation system.

I have only used it for long training but I can agree it is fantastic. Really comfortable.

For the 36 you could always hang a bag off the back of it if
you need more room. You failed to mention when exactly you are
doing the camino. If it is in the summer, you need less stuff, so
the 36 might work out. The one thing you could do is assemble
all the stuff you are bringing with you on the camino and see if
it fits.

btw-- love your videos tman

 

[m2m4christ]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

Hands down go with the 44L with a few thoughts. We’ve never regretted having more space just have the discipline not to throw in stuff beyond your original packing list. . Also think beyond Camino and what you already have in your lineup of packs. Order both packs from Osprey try them out with your gear around your house. They have a 30 day return policy. But you can always cinch a bigger bag tighter but if you fill a smaller bag it can be like a brick on your back. Also in the morning if you are repacking a bigger bag it allows you the freedom to quickly put things in without being too fussy about how everything fits. Also think about potentially carrying groceries etc. Million reasons why you might want the extra space. I carried a hat that I didn’t want crushed if I wasn’t wearing it. Extra space allowed me to do that. Also Ramen cups are large and bulky as are other things you might carry from albergue to albergue. Especially if you’ll do any cooking. Right now in our pack in addition to our gear, I’m carrying a small bag of coffee, ramen, a baguette, salami yogurt and cheese. Some things you may not finish before leaving the albergue and you may not want to have to buy again in the next town. I actually have the 38 but packed light enough I still have extra space but the next time would want ever more room and flexibility. I just don’t like the tightness of the interior compartment once I have my rain gear in the stretchy compartment and my flip flops in the hydration sleeve the 38 is pretty narrow. But I also can’t stand things swinging off the back of my pack. On the Camino now so thought I would throw these few thoughts.

 

[Mananath]

I have the same bag but have never taken it on a plane. I remember reading somewhere that because of the hard back it might not fit as a carryon. Anyone ever had trouble with it being a carryon?

I have only ever taken it as carryon. I think technically it is a bit larger than most airline limits but it looks small enough esp if it isn't overloaded. I would be wary of checking it due to the design of the shoulder harness- I can see that mesh back plate getting crushed or torn on a luggage conveyor belt.

 

[m2m4christ]

We just threw ours in a 19.99 dollar folding duffle from Amazon and checked it. Everything arrived through three legs just fine. CLT to JFK to BCN to PNA. Defiantly protected the straps and loops.

 

[m2m4christ]

This is what we used worked great.

 

[KFH]

This is what we used worked great.

Which of those three sizes did you use?

 

[m2m4christ]

Which of those three sizes did you use?

96 L Remember you are encompassing the entire bag waist belt etc so it will need to be bigger than your pack size. I think the 75 liter would have worked too. Again you can order both sizes try then send back the one you do not need. And btw: I’m the president of the overthinker club. Seriously type A. And huge gear nerd. So I laughed when I read that. That bag also comes in different colors.

 

[JWST]

I bought the Stratos 34 originally (am in Australia) and found that I could not fit some of the bulkier items (lightweight down sleeping bag and silk liner sheet) in the bottom compartment easily although did fit. Also the outer compartment was not stretchy and so when the rain pants and jacket were stored in it they impacted on the internal space. I have instead gone for the Kestrel 48 with roomy/stretchy outer compartment that can be cinched. Also has zip access into main body of pack on RHS and a long pocket on LHS which holds my poles (three piece and no baskets).
I am down under 7kg all up for Late April-June CF and still shedding but lots of spare room and has internal cinch to keep load still...
personal choice but try before you buy as mentioned above, weight penalty for my choice was minimal, better harness although not so good back mesh arrangement as 34.
It will also be checked luggage as have poles, knife etc and will remain in in Europe for several weeks after Camino so taking carry on as well for then...
now rain poncho or jacket and trousers ...could save 280gms
Buen camino pilgrim

 

[WisTom]

We're the same age Tom. I have put the Te Araroa (NZ's long pathway) on hold after completing 800 odd kms to start the Camino on August 26th. Any advice would be appreciated.

Just enjoy! Too often the "younger folk" overthink things. One of the nice things at our age is having the experience to know what we can do and the time to do it. I typically walk more than the suggested stages because I like to walk and have no interest in spending half a day updating my FB page. This is easy to do on the Frances because of so many options for places to stay and places to eat. You will find many people who will NEVER walk more than 25 km in a day. I gently tell them that they're just too young, that they'll be able to walk farther when they get to our age. I'm also skeptical of all the weight limits. I'd rather take 5 pairs of socks (10 oz total) rather than have to stop every day to wash socks. Applies to other things as well. I take what I know I'll use and am prepared to carry whatever is in my pack.
I do have to say that I always travel in February and March. There are fewer people on the Camino at that time - particularly on the less travelled caminos. You may find crowded accommodations in August. I really don't know.
Después de todo, diviértete y ten un buen camino.

 

[Rita Flower]

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I currently use an Osprey Sirius 36 L that had more than enough room for gear, food and water for an 8 week VDLP Camino in October-Nov. Temps from 0-36 degrees Celsius. I am a 5’ 4” female.
Re the mind - I get it. But I think you have all the info to make the decision that suits you best
Edit -I never had anything hanging off my pack - but I am a ‘less is best’ type of person.

 

[malingerer]

I see a lot of people struggle with the 'micro packs.' A week into their walk, things don't fit quite as neatly as the first pack they did at home.
I see people hanging alot of stuff outside their small pack, which to me defeats the reason behind a small pack.
I've never regretted my 60L pack on my six Camino's.

Years ago my sack of choice was a Deuter 65. Contrary to accepted wisdom from homespun gurus I did NOT fill it with more stuff than I needed. I simply had a home for everything in the the load was nicely spread out. In the constant debate of size versus capacity I do not recall ever seeing anything in HOW you pack. my sleeping bag sits in the bottom compartment, my toilet gear in the left zipped pocket etc etc. I know where everything is down to the last spare bootlace. The older I get, the more medication I need and it too demands its own pocket. Paradoxically as I approach 85 in July I am having to revert to a lighter sack and prefer the Deuter 40+10. I have NEVER HAD MY GEAR FORWARDED! I am reluctant to let it out of my sight and I'm sure it would sulk if strangers were allowed to manhandle it I also belong to the school that does not carry anything tied to the outside of my pack. Apart from being an invite to thieves, it simply doesn't look right or feel right. And YES I am ex forces! Enjoy your Camino and if you get it wrong, do ANOTHER one. I have done this since 2003 and quite cheerfully throw all advice out the window when I feel like it, especially the stuff I recommend to others!

Buen Camino

and keep on truckin!

Samarkand.

 

[Roscoe]

I wouldn’t buy the 44 without trying it in first. ‘Fit’ is more important than capacity (within reason).

A 36L should be sufficient in my opinion. I could go smaller and I walk out of the warm months; but don’t want to have to be overly precise when loading the sack.

I was in an outdoor shop just the other day and was looking at the 36 and 44. They seem to be around the same length and width. Only the breadth is larger.

 

[henrythedog]

I was in an outdoor shop just the other day and was looking at the 36 and 44. They seem to be around the same length and width. Only the breadth is larger.

I struggle with left and right sometimes.

If the area in contact with your back is the same but the two sizes differ in how far they ‘stick out’ (I know that’s not a technical term) - you’re probably going to be OK.

 

[HKim]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

Bruno - and others interested in this thread. You all inspired me to go looking at my local REI (Recreational Equipment Incorporated) near Seattle, to see if I could take a look at the Osprey 36L and 44L. I did find the 36L, but the larger backpack was not in stock.

What was in stock was an Osprey Farpoint 55 - a two-bag integrated system. The larger is 40L, and the smaller daypack is 15L. Overkill, many of you may say. In my situation, however, my wife is unable to carry much weight, though she is game for the Camino. So, I will be carrying my things and a good percentage of hers as well. I used to hike with 70 - 90 lb packs. Those days are gone. For the Camino, I hope between my wife's things and mine I can aim for ~30 lbs.

The REI fellow told me people who have used it said when split, the 40L larger section is small enough for a carry-on with most airlines. The 15L can serve as the personal item.

Bruno - one option that exists, perhaps a compromise between your 36L and 44L, is to go just with the 40L Osprey Farpoint.

Links to the 40L single and 55L double:
https://www.rei.com/product/207737/osprey-farpoint-40-travel-pack-mens
https://www.rei.com/product/207732/osprey-farpoint-55-travel-pack-mens
----
Edit: Corrected a mistyped number ('The 14L can serve' --> 'The 15L can serve')

 

[Roscoe]

I struggle with left and right sometimes.

If the area in contact with your back is the same but the two sizes differ in how far they ‘stick out’ (I know that’s not a technical term) - you’re probably going to be OK.

The sticking out bit is what I refer to as breadth!

 

[Ol4577]

I was in an outdoor shop just the other day and was looking at the 36 and 44. They seem to be around the same length and width. Only the breadth is larger.

Agreed ... I was actually in the store today and set both side-by-side for a photo. They are the same model and height, but the 44L one is wider (and will therefore allow some larger items more easily, but also have weight that might be a bit more off-center). I am still struggling with the same decision, although based on the comments above and my poor back, I will go for the 36L.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

I've used an Osprey Sirrus 36L for at least the past 4 years and it has always been adequate, including a lightweight sleeping bag. I assume those top three brands of 36L you mention are similar in space. I do not walk in winter.
I would never bring an additional blanket, but would occasionally wear my cozy fleece to bed for extra warmth.

 

[Grousedoctor]

I can’t recommend more highly the Osprey Stratos 36L pack. I’ve now used it on 5 Caminos! I will say that mine is the older model than the one currently being sold which is both top and front loading. Having both is a most convenient feature. As you have already tried it on and it fits, it’d make an excellent choice for your Camino. You don’t need anything larger. In fact, I don’t even fill mine up! I keep my carry weight to around 6 kgs with sleeping bag and the 36L pack more than accommodates everything I need. Buen Camino.

 

[igmt1957]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I did the North 850Km with the 36 L osprey and would go smaller next time. Of course i have a T5 issue with my back and it only bothered me for 840 km of the camino . I also did it in March and had total weight including what i had on of 25lbs. Go smaller if you can surprising how much you don't need when on the trip.

 

[trecile]

I did the North 850Km with the 36 L osprey and would go smaller next time. Of course i have a T5 issue with my back and it only bothered me for 840 km of the camino . I also did it in March and had total weight including what i had on of 25lbs. Go smaller if you can surprising how much you don't need when on the trip.

You don't need a smaller backpack to go lighter - just put less stuff in it!

 

[Isabelpilgrim]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

I found the thing that takes the most space in my bag was my sleeping bag/sleep sack, if you can get one that you can really pack down, go for the smaller pack. I'm still looking

 

[KFH]

Agreed ... I was actually in the store today and set both side-by-side for a photo. They are the same model and height, but the 44L one is wider (and will therefore allow some larger items more easily, but also have weight that might be a bit more off-center). I am still struggling with the same decision, although based on the comments above and my poor back, I will go for the 36L.

Interesting point. Are you saying that you think that the wider available space of the 44 will necessitate keeping an eye on how one might pack things side to side? Meaning-- the extra side room might make it tougher to balance?

And the back to front balance too, now that I think about it.

On another note: It looks to me that the suspension system is the exact same for both, so any carryon size problems won't be from that.

So likely as long as you don't stuff the 44 too much before the airport you should be able to cinch it down to a similar size as the 36.

(Which is not to say the 36 is an automatic pass as a carryon. It may or may not be.)

 

[dougfitz]

You appear to be an average size man - therefore your clothes should not take up more space than any other average size pilgrim.

I was in complete agreement with the rest of this post, but was left puzzled by how it was possible to determine this. In any case, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight the average Canadian male weighs 84.6 kg. This would indicate to me that for a summer camino, a pack around 44 li would be more suitable than anything much smaller. But the big if in all that is if the OP is close to the weight of the average Canadian male. If he weighs less, a smaller pack might be suitable. More than that, and the less likely a smaller pack will work.

In any case, I support the advice to collect what you intend to carry, and take that with you when checking out a backpack.

 

[tomnorth]

I walked with the Osprey Stratos 36l in 2015. It was a perfect size and was comfortable to wear. I still have it and continue to us it.

 

[Old Kiwi]

I have always used a 20 litre pack on my Caminos and found it held all I needed. I do not carry food, just 500ml of water on the outside. On my last Camino my old pack fell apart and I replaced it in Leon with 25 litre pack as I could not find a 20 litre one I liked. I still carry the same stuff in the new pack as I did in the old one but the bit of extra room makes it easier to find things and easier to pack. The way I see it is that if you need more than 25 litres you are carrying too much. My total pack weight is 5 kilos including water. Carrying that amount makes the Camino a lot more pleasurable experience.

 

[dougfitz]

I walked with the Osprey Stratos 36l in 2015. It was a perfect size and was comfortable to wear. I still have it and continue to us it.

@tomnorth, I always think of you as one of the paragons of trimming down and packing light. You are clearly an outrider when it comes the relationship between pack size and your own body weight.

 

[dougfitz]

The way I see it is that if you need more than 25 litres you are carrying too much.

Is this your rule for yourself, or for others who might have completely different circumstances to deal with?

 

[Former member 92300]

I was in complete agreement with the rest of this post, but was left puzzled by how it was possible to determine this. In any case, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight the average Canadian male weighs 84.6 kg. This would indicate to me that for a summer camino, a pack around 44 li would be more suitable than anything much smaller. But the big if in all that is if the OP is close to the weight of the average Canadian male. If he weighs less, a smaller pack might be suitable. More than that, and the less likely a smaller pack will work.

In any case, I support the advice to collect what you intend to carry, and take that with you when checking out a backpack.

How can I determine this? Well... it is of course a "guestimation" based on what I know. I used the words "'appear' to be an average size man" based on his photo and the fact he doesn't "appear" to be very over or under weight. And average... not based on a specific average weight of a man in a specific country, but average for the world in rough size/shape. And I wasn't guessing his specific "average" weight - that is pretty hard to judge by a headshot and without knowing his height. And average size is more of a range than a specific number. And again, I used the word "Appear" which means I don't know his size/shape for a fact and am guessing based on his appearance in his phot... so the rest of my statement was based on what I thought he "appeared" to be.

That said - I know lots of "average" size men who get by with a 36L pack when the pack light because their clothes aren't excessively larger than the "average" size man. I also know that my sons who are 5'10" and 6'3" and both are of average weight for their height and both of whom can fit their gear in a 36L when they pack similarly to how I pack for the Camino. My shorter son has a little extra room in his pack compared to my taller son. I also know that my husband, who is VERY overweight - often packs the way I pack for the Camino (he doesn't do the Camino - but he packs for most of his trips the way pilgrims on the Camino generally pack), and he always uses a 40L pack for ALL of his trips... and his clothes take up more than "average" space. He just has less extra space than my sons. All of us do not travel with bags that are larger than a carry on size bag, for any trip, so the majority of our backpacks and suitcases are smaller than 40L .

Then there is the fact that I saw VERY FEW people that I walked with on my two Caminos with packs over 40L. Most people, women and men alike, seemed to be carrying 30-40L packs. The few who had larger packs tended to have computers/cameras or simply overpacked or in a couple cases - were carrying camping gear. But that was my experience on MY two Caminos - I am sure pack size varies season to season, year after year so what I saw may not be the same as what others saw on their Caminos.
Perhaps you had more men carrying larger packs on your Caminos. But that is what I am basing my "opinion" on.

Also - I don't think weight determines pack size. What you put in the pack determines pack size.

Of course - my guestimation of his size and what I think his gear could probably fit in was just an opinion and the rest of my advice was of course to figure out what he needs to be comfortable and then figure out what size pack he needs. Why? Because he may not be comfortable with a packing list similar to what "I" think he needs, and he needs to find what is the minimum amount of gear HE needs to be comfortable. And perhaps what he needs IS the 44L bag. Only he can know what he needs to be comfortable.

And since when does your body weight determine what size pack you need?

 

[dougfitz]

And since when does your body weight determine what size pack you need?

Ever since people started wearing clothes. Larger sizes weigh more and need more space. So, let me see - pretty much forever!

Also - I don't think weight determines pack size. What you put in the pack determines pack size.

Well, I cannot think of any authors that I have read on this topic who wouldn't think you are wrong, and I agree with them. It isn't the only factor, but it is one that predominates discussion here. The other factors, like resilience, ability to afford lightweight gear, and trip duration, are more difficult to evaluate here or less relevant given the nature of the camino as a series of day walks.

Sure, it is what goes into the pack that determines how big it is, but what drives the weight and volume of that is a persons size amongst other things.

 

[Former member 92300]

Ever since people started wearing clothes. Larger sizes weigh more and need more space. So, let me see - pretty much forever!

Well, I cannot think of any authors that I have read on this topic who wouldn't think you are wrong, and I agree with them. It isn't the only factor, but it is one that predominates discussion here. The other factors, like resilience, ability to afford lightweight gear, and trip duration, are more difficult to evaluate here or less relevant given the nature of the camino as a series of day walks.

Sure, it is what goes into the pack that determines how big it is, but what drives the weight and volume of that is a persons size amongst other things.

Except a 200 pound man can overpack and a 300 pound man can pack light. And 1 200 pound person can be tall and lean and another can be short and very overweight. Muscle weighs more than fat. And heavy people often pack lighter cooler clothes while vey thin people tend to get cold easier and are more likely to pack warmer gear and more layers. It isn’t solely about a persons weight. It is about what you put in your bag. is weight a factor? Sure. A determinant? I don’t think so.

 

[C clearly]

Sure, it is what goes into the pack that determines how big it is, but what drives the weight and volume of that is a persons size amongst other things.

I agree that larger clothes weigh more. However, of my 5.5 kg pack of 31 L, the clothes that I typically carry in my backpack, including rain gear, sandals, and multiple layers, weigh about 1.8 kg. My sleeping bag stuff would accommodate a much larger person. Let's round up to 2 kg. So, if a person's clothes were twice as big as mine, that would mean an additional 2 kg and some bulk.

That is why I would still tell people that 5-8 kg and 30-40 L should be enough for most people, barring special needs. It is a simple piece of guidance that might be helpful.

 

[dougfitz]

That is why I would still tell people that 5-8 kg and 30-40 L should be enough for most people, barring special needs. It is a simple piece of guidance that might be helpful.

I have put the case regularly why suggesting a particular pack size and weight based on personal experience without revealing one's own height and weight is not as valuable as when one also provides that information. Others need to be able to assess whether they are sufficiently similar to the person providing this advice to think that it will work for them, or perhaps make adjustments to account for any differences.

 

[dougfitz]

Except a 200 pound man can overpack and a 300 pound man can pack light. And 1 200 pound person can be tall and lean and another can be short and very overweight. Muscle weighs more than fat. And heavy people often pack lighter cooler clothes while vey thin people tend to get cold easier and are more likely to pack warmer gear and more layers.

If these were real concerns, perhaps you should have asked @bplsilva about them before offering your advice. You didn't, from which I infer that you are just dreaming up objections rather than being really interested in listening to alternative points of view.

And these might be real concerns, which can be addressed quite easily, as both others and I have done over many years.

It isn’t solely about a persons weight.

You're right, but given that you didn't enquire of the OP about any of these factors, I am going to assume that either you don't know how to factor them into your advice, or perhaps that you don't even know the full extent of what they might be. One way or the other, my view is that it is inappropriate to base your advice on the appearance of someone's avatar, even if it might be a recent personal photograph.

 

[mrosenlof]

I'm planning on walking with a REI Trail 40 pack. Trial packing shows that it won't be stuffed full. But I'm walking Le Puy so will need to carry some food. I'm 183 cm, 95 kg.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

If the OP ends up prefering to go with the larger 44L pack, that is his choice. If he wants to bring it as carryon luggage in the aircraft's overhead, then he should check the dimensions of the frame to make sure it is within the airline's guidelines. A removable top piece is not necessarily part of the frame size even if left behind. I carry a 36L Osprey Sirrus and luckily its frame dimensions have always been within the different airlines' specifications I have traveled. I would have been nervous to go any larger as I no longer check and send my luggage below.

 

[tomnorth]

@tomnorth, I always think of you as one of the paragons of trimming down and packing light. You are clearly an outrider when it comes the relationship between pack size and your own body weight.

Well, arguably I could have carried more, but given I had to walk 800km, I wasn’t taking chances. A 36l pack kept me from loading up.

 

[Bob Howard]

Ok, I'm a broken record on this. I am 6'/190 lbs. Last summer I did the Frances with a Stratos 24L. Keep in mind that the Stratos 24 has the very same robust harness system as any Stratos. So, the 24L comfort level (irrespective of weight) will be pretty much the same as a 36L. There is some segment of our Pilgrim world that has the need of space for medications, CPAP's, seasonal clothing, and maybe more serious camera gear for more serious photographers. But absent those requirements, the Stratos 24L holds the same things I carried in previous years in a 40L (2016) and a 35L (2018). I carried 12 lbs in 2022 and I know from reading this forum for years, that very few think that 12 lbs is doable/desirable, certainly not in a 24L pack. I post this not to respond to any veteran forum member who has completed multiple Caminos, and knows what and how much they can and want to carry. I write solely to alert the never-walked a Camino soul who reading this thread might get the impression that a pack 40L or even bigger is necessary. It's not.

 

[Old Kiwi]

I am just on 80 years old, weigh 69 kilos and am 1.7 metres tall. I have had nearly 70 years experience of tramping or walking long distances with a pack. Over that time I have learned what "I need" from what "I'll take that just in case I might want it". I am a minimalist and don't "need" much. I also don't carry any electronic stuff as I didn't have it 50 years ago and managed just fine, and don't "need" it now. None of my stuff is expensive or technical but it suits my purpose. I know my wants and needs are a lot different from most people but it suits me. Having a five kilo pack allows me to start walking at 6.00am and travel 30 kilomteres in six hours plus time for sightseeing and then when arriving at my albergue, doing my washing, and then to go out walking around the area to experience the sights, sounds, people and food. I am sure that if I had carried a heavier pack for that time and distance I would not have the energy for much else. Even though I am very happy with my system, I know that most people would not be.

 

[Galuh]

I am just on 74 years old, weight 77 kilos and am 1.65 m. Osprey Stratos 50L. Camino Ingles end June - July 2023

 

[HKim]

I love the multiple factor analysis present on this page.

 

[KFH]

I love the multiple factor analysis present on this page.

Yes

The OP called himself "an overthinker" on this question but by now he surely knows he's just a normal Camino Forum person lol

 

[koknesis]

I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.

For the Camino walking I prefer a panel loader, therefore Stratos 34 :

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/is-our-backpack-big-enough.29974/#post-255029

 

[MEO]

Hello all,
First of all, a very big thanks for all of you that have replied or gave their opinion in multiple backpack threads prior to this one. Your knowledge and advice have been very helpful so far.

I am opening this thread to try to close this topic, at least for me.

Context:
After reading multiple threads, I went this weekend to an outdoor shop here in Canada and tried several backpacks on. Most from the brands Gregory, Ospreys and Deuter.

I was initially leaning for a Deuter backpack as they have a very good reputation, and my other hiking day packs (under 30 L) are from this brand and I do like their products a lot.

But I went to try them and the one that I liked the best was the Osprey Stratos 36L. I tried it and, to begin with, was able to properly adjust it without much difficulty. Hips, then shoulders, it felt very nice to handle. Then I walked around with it with no weight on. Felt right. Then I put 10lbs inside it, walked some more, then 20lbs. And kept walking around the store for around 30 minutes.

It looked good, it felt good, I like it. I think I am ready to get one. I am just not sure on whether to get the 36L or a larger size, 44L.
I read from most posts that more space usually mean filling it with more stuff that might not/will not be needed. Then I think "what if i need more space?"

I have read that their dimensions are very similar, but do not think there is a store near me that has a 44L available to try.

If i'm quite sold on getting the 36L, I wonder, for an overthinker like me, what should I think to get the piece of mind that I don't need to get the 44L.

Any help would be appreciated. Or just any advice.
Thanks in advance,
Bruno, the overthinker.

Hi Bruno, I used the Stratos 34 last Sept-Oct on the Frances. I would definitely choose the Osprey over the others simply for their airflow technology. The Osprey suspension will keep your back much dryer. As much as I loved the Stratos 34, I traded it for an Osprey Hikelite 32 because it's half the weight. I had extra room in the Stratos 34 and filled it with stuff I didn't need. The 32L will save me half the empty pack weight plus 100% of the weight of a light blanket, etc. that are not needed. If you are going in May-June you won't need the blanket & a sleeping bag. You probably won't need either of them. Take a silk bag liner and if you get cold and there are no blankets, wear 2 layers of shirts and long pants or leggings to bed. By the way, most of the places I stayed in last Sept-Oct on the Frances had blankets available. I was never cold due to all the body heat. Sometimes, I was even too warm with the silk liner. I'm doing the Portuguese route in 2 weeks and the Del Norte in Sept and I plan on using my 32L for both. Good Luck and Buen Camino!

 

[MEO]

I am just on 80 years old, weigh 69 kilos and am 1.7 metres tall. I have had nearly 70 years experience of tramping or walking long distances with a pack. Over that time I have learned what "I need" from what "I'll take that just in case I might want it". I am a minimalist and don't "need" much. I also don't carry any electronic stuff as I didn't have it 50 years ago and managed just fine, and don't "need" it now. None of my stuff is expensive or technical but it suits my purpose. I know my wants and needs are a lot different from most people but it suits me. Having a five kilo pack allows me to start walking at 6.00am and travel 30 kilomteres in six hours plus time for sightseeing and then when arriving at my albergue, doing my washing, and then to go out walking around the area to experience the sights, sounds, people and food. I am sure that if I had carried a heavier pack for that time and distance I would not have the energy for much else. Even though I am very happy with my system, I know that most people would not be.

I started out earlier than most people last Sept/Oct on the Frances. It guaranteed that I would not miss a sunrise. It amazed me how many people never turned around to see the sunrise behind them.

 

[Mindfull]

What a great thread. I’ll just share my experience. I have walked with a Berghaus circa 46+10… probably overfilled it, and certainly looked enviously on those with smaller packs. This time May/June 2023 I will take a Jackwolfskin 32L! At risk of feeding the stereotype, I’m Scottish and it was reduced in price. But here’s my approach:
+ great back ventilation system.
+ the smaller pack itself is a weight saving.
+ the mesh sections outside can carry 5 or 6 litres of stuff. That’s where my plastic sandals and water will go.
+ I’ve hooked 4 carabiners on it in case I need them to hang stuff (though I’d rather not)
+ my outer shell rain jacket can strap outside if I need it to.
+ I’m using compression dry sacks eg sleeping bag now half the size of the stuff sac it came in.
+ I’m assessing the size/weight of every item-collapsible cup, spork, shampoo bar, synthetics rather than cotton…

I’ll admit it’s tight, and it might take me slightly longer to work with my compressed stuff- but I’ll have mitigated the risk of heavy pack inhibiting my progress.

Buen Camino

 

[Roby]

According to the given dates, you are already on your way, but I will still add my opinion for people who will read this topic in the future.
On both trips I carried a large backpack, on the first Northland Expedition, on the second Osprey Atmos AG 65.
Atmos AG 65

So 65 liters, empty weighs 2.3 kg. The total weight would range between 8.5 - 10, on the second trip I carried some of my son's equipment, he was also sick for 4-5 days so the weight ranged between 10-12 even up to 13 kg. My weight was between 94-98 kg, I am 57 years old.
I like to wear 4 sets (socks, t-shirt, underpants) so I do laundry every third day. I'm wearing a fleece pullover, two pants with zipped legs, one microfiber towel, extra very light shoes, a waterproof windbreaker, flip flops, a sleeping bag and small accessories.
I can take things out of the bag or put things in it in a second in complete darkness because I have a lot of space and pockets on my backpack.
I could save one kilogram on the weight of the backpack itself, but it's irrelevant to me because I can carry everything like this without any problems. On the other hand, if I buy something in the store, say food for that day and the next day or anything else, I have no problem with space at all.
Everything has its place inside the backpack, I can take it out of the pockets, through the opening at the top or bottom, in the lower compartment, blindly.
In the morning if it's still dark, I can put everything in without looking and not worrying if everything will fit, I don't have to bother with careful packing.

There are different groups of packaging from the ultralight group which boasts a weight of 2458 grams, cut off labels from t-shirts and trousers, thrown out excess toothpaste from a tube, cut off the handle of a comb, one pair of underpants, socks and a t-shirt and a bag with 100 grams of detergent to people who don't care too much for a kilogram or two extra because they know they can carry it on their backs.
And everyone is right, everyone enjoys what they consider to be a better solution.
Choose what you think you need, put it in a shopping bag, bring it to the shop with backpacks and find the right size and price that suits you.
To me, a backpack without well-padded hip straps is unusable, no matter how big or heavy it is. Those straps carry the most weight, without them your shoulders will hurt no matter how heavy the backpack is.
I like to have a lot of pockets because then everything has its place and I don't have to look for it. The backpack must have a lower compartment which is usually used for a sleeping bag, but I carry dirty laundry, extra shoes,wet things and flip flops there. That space must have a membrane that can be opened to access the things at the bottom of the backpack.
The back MUST have a material that reduces contact between the body and the backpack with good ventilation so that I sweat less and feel much more comfortable. Take a look at the Osprey Atmos back and hip strap and you'll know what I mean.
So first determine what you must and want to wear on the camino. Then, with those things, go to a well-stocked store and find a backpack of the right size. Before that, think about what is important to you in a backpack or talk to the seller. Go home, think about everything one more time and you will know which backpack you need.

 

[Ussasx]

If your decision is specifically between the Startos 36 and the 44 and you arent considering other packs...
Looking at the specs the 36 is (CM): 71H 37W 27D and weighs 1.5kg. The 44 is DIMENSIONS (CM): 72H 37W 29D and weighs 1.7kg. So the pack will be a bit deeper out from your back, but likely very similar fit options in terms of height, straps and so on.
Your choice is do you want to carry 200g less pack or 8litre less capacity.

If you load all your gear EASILY in the 36 and have space to move stuff around, don't find it frustrating etc. then save 200g. If your stuff only just fits in and you have no spare capacity and you will get fed up having to pack everything precisely to fit it in then get the bigger one? Either way - get your gear together and try it with that 36l one first That saves you packing to the space you have.

 

[Galuh]

My Osprey Stratos 50L empty weigh 1,613 kg

 

[Theintegers]

I use a Stratos 36L. It fits all I need, including sleeping bag etc, for Caminos in the Spring, Summer or Autumn. I might need slightly larger for Winter.

Hi Robo, do you take your Stratos 36L as a carry on? if you do, have ever had any issues with any airline?

 

[Robo]

Hi Robo, do you take your Stratos 36L as a carry on? if you do, have ever had any issues with any airline?

Never had a problem yet.
But do carefully check the carry-on size limitations for your airlaine.

To keep the bag a bit smaller and squishy, I take my small sil day pack/shopping/laundry bag as a 'handbag. Just with the stuff I need for the flight. I hang it off the front of my pack with a small carabiner whilst boarding.

 

[Theintegers]

Never had a problem yet.
But do carefully check the carry-on size limitations for your airlaine.

To keep the bag a bit smaller and squishy, I take my small sil day pack/shopping/laundry bag as a 'handbag. Just with the stuff I need for the flight. I hang it off the front of my pack with a small carabiner whilst boarding.

Thank you!

 

[Sacha]

I have the sirrus 36L. I love it, but if I ever need to get a new backpack Ill downsize slightly. Maybe go for the 33L.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

I have the sirrus 36L. I love it, but if I ever need to get a new backpack Ill downsize slightly. Maybe go for the 33L.

I also have the Osprey Sirrus 36L and been happy. The dimensions have always been within airline limits for carryon. I do bring a lightweight bag for under the airline seats to hold a few items I transfer later.