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2016 September/October Peregrinos Departures
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Hi Monica and welcome to this wonderful forum.Hello Im Mônica
Im new here, Im very happy for found this forum
Im from Brazil, but Im living in Australia.
I will do my first walk in October/2016
Im very excited about this journey, I hope I can get a lot of informations here and make some friends as well
When you have a question just ask away.
Wish you a great time and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Hi Trudi , you will have no problem to meet fellow pilgrims on your journey.
Wish you well and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Wish the both of you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Have a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Hopefully I am answering this question correctly: The list is on the first page of this thread. It has everyone who has responded to this thread. Contains mainly peregrinos doing Frances as it was originally started in the Camino Frances section. There may be a separate thread for other caminos. The calendar on this site does not have many entries for September 2016 but might have some walking Levante.
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I have walked the CF twice started on my own but each day you will meet people its not an isolated walk fear not as this will only take the magic away. Buen Camino.Nuala thank you for replied my comment
This journey will be my first time, and I will do this alone, Im little a bit worry to do this by myself, do you thing it is ok??
Its safe?
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Vermont Pat
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There will be 5 of us from Vermont starting in Pamplona on September 12.
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Great time of the year to walk. Wish you all a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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I am planning on starting from Burgos, where I left off last July, on September 16 (Mexican Independence Day and my birthday). I'll walk to Ponferrada, and then make my way to Portugal where I hope to volunteer again at an albergue on the Portuguese Camino.
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Welcome Vermont Pat. What a great time you are going to have with 5 of you travelling together. You are on the list.
nonami
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I have added you to the list, marylynn. I guess that I have no need to tell you that you will have a fabulous time. Great day to start and I am sure you also know it is exactly 100 days to Christmas on your birthday. Buen Camino!
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
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- Walking Camino from St Jean to Santiage in Sept. 2016. Will meet my husband in Astorga and he will walk the last part with me.
I am starting my first Camino on September 14 from St. Jean. I will be walking alone until Astorga where I will hopefully meet my husband for the remainder of the walk. Very excited to be celebrating my 70th birthday year on the Camino.Judy Hayman & husband Bert Hayman starting Aug. 30 from St. Jean
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Hi Marylynn, wish you a wonderful continuation off your journey.
Buen Camino, Peter.
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Thanks for adding me to the list! I know I will have a wonderful time, as usual. I love the fall on the Camino and the meseta - I thought it was a good way to celebrate. I didn't know about '100 days to Christmas'--interesting little fact! Thank you!
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Hello, My name is Mary K and I will be starting from St. Jean on Sept 11/16. Please add me to the list. It would be great to meet up with fellow pilgrims.
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Carla and Mary, I will be staying in St. Jean Sept 11 overnight and heading out in the morning to Orrison. Hope to see you ladies on the trail. Mary
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Hi Mary, you will have no problem to meet up with fellow pilgrims.
And you will love your stay at the albergue Orisson.
Wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
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Done. Buen Camino!
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I have added you to the list for September 12. You will have a splendid time!
Thanks Peter. This is my first. Have been dreaming and thinking about it for years but taking the time away from work for a long period was challenging. Making the time now. I am excited and apprehensive. Going solo. Folks in this forum have been great answering questions on how to get to St. Jean. Mary
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Thank you Nonami for creating this "meet and greet". Not likely I will catch up to folks who go before me but likely will meet some who follow. Buen Camino to everyone. Mary K
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Hi Nonami, and fellow September/October 2016 peregrinos
I am flying from Sydney to Paris on September 19th, I expect to start walking from SJPDP on September 22nd.
Can't wait
Buen Camino,
Donna
I am flying from Sydney to Paris on September 19th, I expect to start walking from SJPDP on September 22nd.
Can't wait
Buen Camino,
Donna
TomasJune2014
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My wife June and I will be beginning our 2nd Camino in St Jean September 4th. We would like to be added to your list.
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Hello, my wife June and I will be departing St. Jean on 9/4. We are from Bemidji, MN. I look forward to spending a little timeHappily my sabbatical has been approved, so I will be departing from SJPP on September 6th. Starting the countdown
walking with a fellow Minnesotan.
KerrieG
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Hi Nonami, and fellow September/October 2016 peregrinos
I am flying from Sydney to Paris on September 19th, I expect to start walking from SJPDP on September 22nd.
Can't wait
Buen Camino,
Donna
Hi Donna, I'm also from Sydney leaving a few days before you on the 14th, and start walking from St Jean on the 19th. Will no doubt see you along the way as I'll be the slow one.
Buen Camino,
Kerrie
AlongTheAway
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Hi Donna, I'm also from Sydney leaving a few days before you on the 14th, and start walking from St Jean on the 19th. Will no doubt see you along the way as I'll be the slow one.
Buen Camino,
Kerrie
Hi Kerrie, how wonderful to 'meet' a fellow pilgrim already - it is very likely we will meet on the way
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nonami
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You've booked the flights and now you are on the list! Have a fantastic time. If you have any questions, forum members will have answers.Hi Nonami, and fellow September/October 2016 peregrinos
I am flying from Sydney to Paris on September 19th, I expect to start walking from SJPDP on September 22nd.
Can't wait
Buen Camino,
Donna
nonami
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Hola, TomasJune2014. I have added you to the list. I will be a few days behind you but I will be trying to catch up to Elfmade and Steve392 so I might see you on the Way. Regardless have an excellent time.
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Wish you both a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Hey Tomas! Good to know there will me some Minnesotans on the Camino. I will look forward to meeting you and June. Buen Camino!
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Hi. I'm Nicolas and I'll start my first Camino on 29th August from Lourdes.
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Wouldn't it be useful if people added themselves to the Calendar?
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nonami
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Welcome to the forum Nicolas. I have added you to the list. Buen Camino!
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Welcome to this wonderful forum Nicolas.
Wish you a great time and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Yes that is another alternative. I guess that when DeadFred and others began these types of threads there was a good reason for having the list. Before one joins the forum, you can see these lists but not some other content.
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That makes sense, and I imagine that lots of forum members don't know that the calendar exists.
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I think you are correct about the Calendar.That makes sense, and I imagine that lots of forum members don't know that the calendar exists.
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Thank you nonami.
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Thank you Peter.
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It is indeed a wonderful forum Peter. I've been following it for a while and it is truly inspiring!
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I will hopefully be starting from St Jean on Sept 16th
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Welcome Mickey Roberts. Have a magnificent journey ....you are on the list. Plenty of answers to any question you may have are found on this forum.
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Eric & Gayleen hiking from St. Jean Oct. 3 to Pamplona then cycling to Amenal then hiking last day to Santiago.
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Hi Mickey, september /October is a nice periode to walk the Camino.
Wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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I'll start my first Camino on 24th September from St. Jean, I can't wait!
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Wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.I'll start my first Camino on 24th September from St. Jean, I can't wait!
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You've made it to the list typerhappy! You will have a sublime time. Welcome to the forum.I'll start my first Camino on 24th September from St. Jean, I can't wait!
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Hola, have a fantastic time. You've been added to the list.
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Hi , I will be joining My friends Val and Lynne on the 19th Septemeber ( they are starting from St Jean 9th September ) and walking to Santiago with them -all being well ! Not sure where we will meet up but possibly Logrono / Najera / Santo Domingo - time will tell ! ; )
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nonami
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I have added you to the 19th September list from Najera Padraig. Have an excellent time.
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Started some training yet?
Started a packing list yet?
Started exploring seriously this forum yet? .......
It's only 100 days until the the first peregrino on this list starts! The rest of us aren't far behind.
Started a packing list yet?
Started exploring seriously this forum yet? .......
It's only 100 days until the the first peregrino on this list starts! The rest of us aren't far behind.
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Welcome to the forum. Some brilliant info on this site. Should help us prepare well for our Camino. I filled my rucksack today with all of my gear - weighed 6.5 kg. way too heavy - need to lose some stuff methinks. Feeling excited!......
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Fiona & Trevor and Rachael & Ginnie departing SJPdP 24th September.
First camino for us all.
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nonami
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Done, Trevor. Welcome to the forum - a feast of useful information. Buen Camino!
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Hi Trevor, wish you all a wonderful time and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Thanks
I've been lurking for a while, time to show my face
We have friends who have completed Frances, Le Puy to SJPdP and are just finishing Portuguese.
So lot's of good information, but the forum offers many more perspectives.
PS. 2 Aussies (Fiona & Trevor) + 2 Kiwis (Rachael & Ginnie)
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We got our tickets! We're heading out from Seattle on 9/10 - arriving in to Paris on 9/11 at 6:00am - and are still trying to figure out the quickest way to SJPdP!
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I am planning Sept 2 from SJPP - thank you for compiling the list!
Peace,
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nonami
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You are on the list. I put you down for a September 13 start though perhaps you might start on 12th? I am sure you will have an incredible time. Buen Camino.We got our tickets! We're heading out from Seattle on 9/10 - arriving in to Paris on 9/11 at 6:00am - and are still trying to figure out the quickest way to SJPdP!
nonami
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You're there. Glad to be able to do something to contribute. Have a phenomenal time!
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Thank you!! We are hoping to start on the 12th!
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Ok I'll change it now!Thank you!! We are hoping to start on the 12th!
nonami
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You are now on the exact day list, Thomas. Buen Camino.
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2 years ago i walked with Marty Bootsma from Salmon arm,oh and looks like i'll be leaving Pamplona Sept 14th.
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Hello Naomi. My friend Joe and I hope to start the Camino in Early September - from St. Jean. Perhaps we'll see you there.
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Nice time of the year to walk the Camino ,according to my wife anyway she walked the Camino Frances in 2013.
Wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Wish you well and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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You're there Dennis. Have a wonderul journey.
nonami
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Done! Buen camino, Irish Bernie.
nonami
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I've put you on the the approximate leaving group. I am sure you will have an excellent time. I may see the two of you but you will probably have a few days start on me.
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I will be leaving St. Jean and heading to Orisson on September 3rd. Thank you.
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Hi Thomas,wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Hi Judy, you will love your stay in the albergue Orisson.
Wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Wish you a Buen Camino and a great time, Peter.
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Hi Peter, I noticed you're leaving a couple of days after me. Hopefully we'll meet somewhere along The Way. Have an amazing journey!
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Hi Thomes , sorry that's not me.
When everything stays well I will walk from Porto to Santiago in September.
Wish you well, Peter.
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Done, Judy Harrison. Welocme to the forum. It has answers to just about any question you may have. Buen Camino!
nonami
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I've added to the the approximate start list. I am sure you will have a superb time.
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Wow. Small world! I used to work with Marty's daughter -in-law. We have also known Marty for years. We chatted with him when he came back from his trip as we had already made the decision to do the Camino by then... You must have the camino bug, to be going out again? You will be a few days ahead of us, but perhaps we will meet up on the Way...buen Camino ....
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Maria and I, Bruce, will be starting from St. Jean 14 September! It is her second and my first.
We plan to walk on to Finisterra and Muxia.
Buen Camino
We plan to walk on to Finisterra and Muxia.
Buen Camino
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Hi Naomi my friend and I are leaving 23 August from Brisbane Australia to bariclona, 2 nights in Barcelona, on to St Jean, 2 nights and start Camino 28 August.
Have you booked any accomodation on the Camino yet? Buen Camino
nonami
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Ok I have changed you to the exact date list. Have a wonderful time! The first resource at the bottom of this page is a great resource of information about albergues including contact details if you are looking at booking ahead.Hi Naomi my friend and I are leaving 23 August from Brisbane Australia to bariclona, 2 nights in Barcelona, on to St Jean, 2 nights and start Camino 28 August.
Have you booked any accomodation on the Camino yet? Buen Camino
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I'll be back on the Camino for the third time - starting from where I finished last time in Navarrete,on 30th September.
This time I will be walking for 12 days, and hopefully getting as far as Carrion de los Condes by 11th October (I only walk around 15-18km a day).
Hope to meet some of you along the Way.
This time I will be walking for 12 days, and hopefully getting as far as Carrion de los Condes by 11th October (I only walk around 15-18km a day).
Hope to meet some of you along the Way.
jlh
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Thank you Peter, we are so excited and looking forward to our journey.
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Welcome back Julia.
Wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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You are on the list, julia-t. Welcome back to the Camino. Have a magnificent time.
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Hi, I am new to the forum and walking my first Camino from St Jean starting 14 September, can't wait.
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Hi Ellie, wish you a wonderful journey and a Buen Camino, Peter.
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Hi Nonami,
Thank you for this thread. Please add this newbie to the list: I arrive in SJPdP 19 September to begin walking on the 20th.
Excitement and anxiety are taking turns at the helm of my nervous system!
I am so very grateful to Ivar and all of you forum members for this incredibly supportive and most informative site.
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