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That's what they told Mary. Is it my imagination or is it nuts in Santiago? Just looked at hostels, pensiones and the like for 2 pilgrims within 5 k of the Cathedral. 400 Euros? WTF?! I walked the French Route in 2014. It was nuts but I found dorms for 20 euros. What is going on? Have we completely monetized the pilgrimage? That is sad.
 
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That's what they told Mary. Is it my imagination or is it nuts in Santiago? Just looked at hostels, pensiones and the like for 2 pilgrims within 5 k of the Cathedral. 400 Euros? WTF?! I walked the French Route in 2014. It was nuts but I found dorms for 20 euros. What is going on? Have we completely monetized the pilgrimage? That is sad.
When and on what booking platform? That is certainly not typical. A random week night for next week in central Santiago shows rooms available for two people for €60-70, and that’s without trying.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
A sure bet is usually Seminario Menor:

Fully booked 23rd to 24th September, but on the next day one bunk for 21€ ( 7 left) and single rooms for 25€ (6 left)
 
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Strange. This is for tomorrow, with budget max set at €80.
Bottom right is Albergue Seminario Menor at €22

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What platform is this (or which one do you advise to use)? We are planning to arrive in Santiago on 4 October, and I am having trouble finding availability for that date (we'd prefer a good hotel room).
 
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What platform is this (or which one do you advise to use)? We are planning to arrive in Santiago on 4 October, and I am having trouble finding availability for that date (we'd prefer a good hotel room).

It's booking.com

I often use it when looking for accommodation, but try to book directly.
Often you'll get a cheaper rate.
But it's the easiest way to book accommodation I suppose.

Though it has limitations.
Not all accommodations use it.
Those that do, don't show all their beds/rooms.
This is because of the high commissions charged.
They would rather take direct bookings in the main.

Often I'll get the contact details from Gronze.com and send a whatsapp message about a booking.
 
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It's booking.com

I often use it when looking for accommodation, but try to book directly.
Often you'll get a cheaper rate.
Well, that means you used the service but chose not to pay for it (by booking through them), right?
Perhaps, if your intention was to book directly with the hotel, it would be morally correct not to use booking.com to check what is available? What do you think?
 
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Well, that means you used the service but chose not to pay for it (by booking through them), right?
Perhaps, if your intention was to book directly with the hotel, it would be morally correct not to use booking.com to check what is available? What do you think?

It's certainly a valid point of view.

I use booking.com a lot for business travel. ;)
And sometimes on Camino, if it's easier.
They make plenty out of me.

I think a lot of these aggregator sites are used frequently just for research.
Rome2Rio, Skyscanner etc etc.
But it brings traffic to the sites, boosts ranking, advertising revenue for those that have ads.

I actually use booking.com a lot for overseas business trips, booking hotels, cars, tours.......
It's convenient for that.
 
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I think a lot of these aggregator sites are used frequently just for research.
Rome2Rio, Skyscanner etc etc.
Exactly. People use a service and then decide not to pay for it (by booking their accomodation or a ticket).
Although there are a certain number of people who use the service and then complete the purchase, that is enough for the business to thrive. I was just asking about the moral aspect of the matter. Because if you use a service, it would be right to use it till the end and not abandon it once you get all the information you needed.
 
Exactly. People use a service and then decide not to pay for it (by booking their accomodation or a ticket).
Although there are a certain number of people who use the service and then complete the purchase, that is enough for the business to thrive. I was just asking about the moral aspect of the matter. Because if you use a service, it would be right to use it till the end and not abandon it once you get all the information you needed.

As I said, it's a fair point of view.

Personally I feel that the amount I do end up paying Booking dot com, more than offsets my use of the site as a personal research tool at times. Maybe an attitude of "I've paid my dues".

Not in defence of my own use of the site. If indeed it needs defending.

But as an example, in my own business we are frequently asked to provide 'quotes' for work, that take days and days of effort to prepare, only to find out it was a window shopping or price comparison exercise, and the potential client obviously had no intention of making a purchase. It's all part of the 'cost of doing business' and is factored into our overheads.

In the case of a site like booking dot com, there is no actual cost to provide the site to someone merely researching. OK, we could argue a proportion of the site hosting and maintenance, but that would be a fraction of a cent per visitor. Aggregated, it would be a larger number, but this is factored into business overheads.

Back to the moral / ethical question. Personally I'm OK with it. Because I actually pay the company a fair amount in commissions each year with all our business bookings. And so some personal research use of the site seems trivial in comparison. And I see it as a trade off for being a good customer.

But then my browsing without purchasing is still adding value. Traffic, rankings, ad revenues etc. I know the value of these things with our own business.

Perhaps the real question here, is the 'value' being consumed.

Taking another example. Would I go into a cafe on the Camino, use the bathroom, top up my water bottle and sit outside to use their WiFi, without purchasing something? No. Never! To me that is akin to robbery. I'm consuming their resources, and giving nothing in return.

I wonder how many people use Wikipedia, and don't contribute to its funding? Many are probably not aware that you can make a small monthly contribution to keep them going.

These situations are around us every day. And we need to make a judgement call on them.

I take your point, which is a fair one. And in this specific case, of booking dot com, I feel OK about it.
 
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Thanks Robo for your thoughtful and wise reply! I think you realize I was playing devils advocate here. You're probably one of the most generous and honest pilgrims around so it was safe to tease you with my question, but you could easily hit back by saying I'm not a donating forum member so I'm a freeloader myself and should shut up! Although I can see four Altus poncho ads on this page while you cannot. Maybe someday I'll finally buy one :)
 
As I said, it's a fair point of view.

Personally I feel that the amount I do end up paying Booking dot com, more than offsets my use of the site as a personal research tool at times. Maybe an attitude of "I've paid my dues".

Not in defence of my own use of the site. If indeed it needs defending.

But as an example, in my own business we are frequently asked to provide 'quotes' for work, that take days and days of effort to prepare, only to find out it was a window shopping or price comparison exercise, and the potential client obviously had no intention of making a purchase. It's all part of the 'cost of doing business' and is factored into our overheads.

In the case of a site like booking dot com, there is no actual cost to provide the site to someone merely researching. OK, we could argue a proportion of the site hosting and maintenance, but that would be a fraction of a cent per visitor. Aggregated, it would be a larger number, but this is factored into business overheads.

Back to the moral / ethical question. Personally I'm OK with it. Because I actually pay the company a fair amount in commissions each year with all our business bookings. And so some personal research use of the site seems trivial in comparison. And I see it as a trade off for being a good customer.

But then my browsing without purchasing is still adding value. Traffic, rankings, ad revenues etc. I know the value of these things with our own business.

Perhaps the real question here, is the 'value' being consumed.

Taking another example. Would I go into a cafe on the Camino, use the bathroom, top up my water bottle and sit outside to use their WiFi, without purchasing something? No. Never! To me that is akin to robbery. I'm consuming their resources, and giving nothing in return.

I wonder how many people use Wikipedia, and don't contribute to its funding? Many are probably not aware that you can make a small monthly contribution to keep them going.

These situations are around us every day. And we need to make a judgement call on them.

I take your point, which is a fair one. And in this specific case, of booking dot com, I feel OK about it.
Agree with all that! I wouldn’t overthink it though. When you see who owns booking, and then drill down to see what other companies they own, they hold a range of booking sites, referral sites, screen scrapers, and so on, so it’s a far bigger picture!! That’s the way the sector works. Customers who use b. com as a search and don’t ‘convert’ are very much factored into the business model!
 
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As I said, it's a fair point of view.

Personally I feel that the amount I do end up paying Booking dot com, more than offsets my use of the site as a personal research tool at times. Maybe an attitude of "I've paid my dues".

Not in defence of my own use of the site. If indeed it needs defending.

But as an example, in my own business we are frequently asked to provide 'quotes' for work, that take days and days of effort to prepare, only to find out it was a window shopping or price comparison exercise, and the potential client obviously had no intention of making a purchase. It's all part of the 'cost of doing business' and is factored into our overheads.

In the case of a site like booking dot com, there is no actual cost to provide the site to someone merely researching. OK, we could argue a proportion of the site hosting and maintenance, but that would be a fraction of a cent per visitor. Aggregated, it would be a larger number, but this is factored into business overheads.

Back to the moral / ethical question. Personally I'm OK with it. Because I actually pay the company a fair amount in commissions each year with all our business bookings. And so some personal research use of the site seems trivial in comparison. And I see it as a trade off for being a good customer.

But then my browsing without purchasing is still adding value. Traffic, rankings, ad revenues etc. I know the value of these things with our own business.

Perhaps the real question here, is the 'value' being consumed.

Taking another example. Would I go into a cafe on the Camino, use the bathroom, top up my water bottle and sit outside to use their WiFi, without purchasing something? No. Never! To me that is akin to robbery. I'm consuming their resources, and giving nothing in return.

I wonder how many people use Wikipedia, and don't contribute to its funding? Many are probably not aware that you can make a small monthly contribution to keep them going.

These situations are around us every day. And we need to make a judgement call on them.

I take your point, which is a fair one. And in this specific case, of booking dot com, I feel OK about it.
You bring up alot of good points @Robo. I have used bookings many times over the years. When it comes to using Booking.com for personal use I still check with the hotel directly to see if there is a better price available. I walk alot of less traveled caminos and do it in off season. I see that you have also expanded your caminos to these types of routes also. There are times when finding a place to sleep in off season on these routes can be a little tricky. I will check Booking to see if I can find something when albergues etc on Gronze or the apps are closed. I will always call the hostel/pension directly or Whatsapp them. Not to force the owners to pay Booking a 15% commision which I think is really high. I want the owners to keep as much as they can.
But I have read in more than one place about Booking which is another giant company that rakes in billions a year and rips people off. Here is one example:
No one should have any guilt whatsoever using Booking.com for research and then helping the little guy especially. When it comes to booking a corporate hotel chain and corporate greed then I say I want to save that little extra money that I may get by calling the corporate hotel directly or in most cases just doing it online.
To paraphrase an oft used expression that I grew up with in the Bronx when you know there is a sleeze bag. "Screw 'em where they breath" Of course that first word is really an inappropriate lexicon of the King's English that is acceptable on our site.
 
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Let me point out that the logic you are using is probably the same logic that is killing the donativo albergues on the Camino. Some pilgrims think: "if I can use the service and not pay, or if I can use the service and save some much-needed money, why should I pay or pay more?" If the service can be accessed for free, avoiding paying our share to the owner, why not take advantage of it? I can see a clear parallel between using the booking.com website and not letting them collect their commission, and using the donativo albergue and saving on pilgrim's budget.
 
Hotel Capital de Galicia - 20 min walk from the Cathedral. It shows 111 euro right now but as many have said, check with the hotel itself. It is the only place I have ever used once I have reached SdC. The big Mall is just up the hill.
 
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That's what they told Mary. Is it my imagination or is it nuts in Santiago? Just looked at hostels, pensiones and the like for 2 pilgrims within 5 k of the Cathedral. 400 Euros? WTF?! I walked the French Route in 2014. It was nuts but I found dorms for 20 euros. What is going on? Have we completely monetized the pilgrimage? That is sad.
I'm just sorry. Sorry, and suprised, that anyone that's just walked the camino uses foul language acronym on this forum to express their annoyance at inconvenience.
 
That's what they told Mary. Is it my imagination or is it nuts in Santiago? Just looked at hostels, pensiones and the like for 2 pilgrims within 5 k of the Cathedral. 400 Euros? WTF?! I walked the French Route in 2014. It was nuts but I found dorms for 20 euros. What is going on? Have we completely monetized the pilgrimage? That is sad.
Yes!
 
That's what they told Mary. Is it my imagination or is it nuts in Santiago? Just looked at hostels, pensiones and the like for 2 pilgrims within 5 k of the Cathedral. 400 Euros? WTF?! I walked the French Route in 2014. It was nuts but I found dorms for 20 euros. What is going on? Have we completely monetized the pilgrimage? That is sad.
I don't begrudge the people of Spain earning a living.
 
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Well, that means you used the service but chose not to pay for it (by booking through them), right?
Perhaps, if your intention was to book directly with the hotel, it would be morally correct not to use booking.com to check what is available? What do you think?
Booking.com doesnt just act as a service to people lookign for accomodation (or flights, or resturants) -it aslo provides a service to the advertisers wishing to make their services known to potential travellers (just how many ads do you seee when you go to the site...?)

Consequntly I have no qualms about using it for research before endeavouring to book direclty with the accommodation provider - booking.com has alseady used my eyeballs on its ads...
 
Just looked at hostels, pensiones and the like for 2 pilgrims within 5 k of the Cathedral. 400 Euros? WTF?! I walked the French Route in 2014. It was nuts but I found dorms for 20 euros. What is going on? Have we completely monetized the pilgrimage? That is sad.

You haven't said yet if you got sorted, but even if Booking.com/Hostelworld shows it as sold out, Seminario Menor will often give you a walk in bed, if not a room, and for a couple of euros cheaper. They are more likely to help you in person than over the phone. They are a ten minute detour off the (French) way, just before you enter the old town.
 
I'm just sorry. Sorry, and suprised, that anyone that's just walked the camino uses foul language acronym on this forum to express their annoyance at inconvenience.
I guess that some people in Colorado speak a different form of English.

Around here that is a very common acronym.

I do enjoy reading the comments of some righteous people.

I wish you an excellent day.
 
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Looks like booking.com

How many nights do you need?
2 nights. Our current trajectory puts us there Thirsday or Friday. I realize the weekends would be crazy but wow! Any help or suggestions? I've tried Booking.com and on accomodation websites directly. If I didn't think it would rain I'd hide in an alcove. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
Just been looking on Booking for 2 nights Thu and Fri. Coming in about about 300!
There must be something on? I think last time I was there I was paying 180-200 night! There was a big concert on.

Maybe someone will come up with an idea?

I can see on booking, some places 5-6 kms from the centre.
Not a great option but you could taxi/bus in and out of town?
 
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€46,-
aldahotels.es have rooms for Thurs/Fri coming in at 318 euros. 2 persons for 2 nights I dont think that's too expensive. Hotel Alda Avenida. I'm sure you'd find some more. I'd grab Seminario Menor beds now though (if it was me).
Exe Area Central has 2 nights for 333 euro.
Hotel Castro (6km out) has reasonable rates under 200 euro.
 
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Let me point out that the logic you are using is probably the same logic that is killing the donativo albergues on the Camino. Some pilgrims think: "if I can use the service and not pay, or if I can use the service and save some much-needed money, why should I pay or pay more?" If the service can be accessed for free, avoiding paying our share to the owner, why not take advantage of it? I can see a clear parallel between using the booking.com website and not letting them collect their commission, and using the donativo albergue and saving on pilgrim's budget.
As you point out in post #19, you don't really seem to believe the ethics you are championing here. I hope you are not trolling.
 
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That's what they told Mary. Is it my imagination or is it nuts in Santiago? Just looked at hostels, pensiones and the like for 2 pilgrims within 5 k of the Cathedral. 400 Euros? WTF?! I walked the French Route in 2014. It was nuts but I found dorms for 20 euros. What is going on? Have we completely monetized the pilgrimage? That is sad.
I Would sooner find a dark corner some where, round a side street, than pay that kind of money
 
It looks like prices in Santiago are exceptionally high right now. I would book something with free cancellation ASAP, and continue looking until the cancellation date.
Tuesday Sept 24th, To be in or near the cathedral, The first night, St Martin had one night for 45eu and the room was better than the second hotel. We tried to book a couple of nights but they were sold out, even the expensive rooms were sold out.

The second night in a different hotel, we paid about 138eu. It was kind of a stifling room, tiny, not able to open a window, and we heard the neighbor cough all night. Which meant he and his wife heard us snore all night. Couldn’t open a window so after showering it was damp and musty in the tiny room. The shower was moldy.
 
To the OP, not sure how far you walked on your Camino or how many you have done, but if the minor inconvenience of your accomodations makes you use 'WTF' to describe your annoyance regarding accommodations or lack thereof, it looks like the the whole Camino experience may have been lost on you mostly.
After seven walks myself, I've learned to be much calmer and accepting when my plans go awry and laugh about it.
I guess we all learn or don't learn something new when we walk.
 
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This last July we got beds for 25 euros. This was in a hostel on the road just before you go through the tunnel with the bagpiper and into the square.
San Martin Pinario?
All booked in October 🙁
 
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