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It's a mystery, but he appears to me each morning in the bathroom mirror....
The monastery at Rabanal, or the unafiliated albergue that joins it?
I think the situation would have been considerably different if there had been 20 or 30 pilgrims waiting to get in when you arrived.Hmm, I distinctly remember on Oct 23, 2013, I took a taxi from Astorga to Rabanal - not knowing anything about that policy - and was allowed to stay at Gaucelmo. I WAS asked if I had walked, and I said I hadn't. The hositalero said he thought he had heard a car door close... I said, yes, that was probably me. He mentioned their policy, but I was allowed to stay the night at Gaucelmo. There were four of us pilgrims that night in addition to the two hospis. Gratitudes...
Please do. It gives you the opportunity to carry mine.Sooo after reading all this thread i guess its ok to get youre bag transported??
There was one albergue who could not receive the bags for the same reason as you so they were dropped off at a nearby restaurant.
@David Tallan , I don't think this is a legitimate conclusion. It certainly doesn't seem to me to the original statement by @Rebekah Scott that pilgrims who sent their bags forward would have other options suggests anything like these pilgrims should not use donotivo albergues. I think it is a legitimate to suggest that the statement be read on its face value, and that, in the case of the albergue she is discussing, there were other options for pilgrims who sent their bags by pack taxi.
Like I implied earlier this is pure argument for argument sake to try to impose a personal interpretation of the rules. Rules which are at best nebulous. I say again do I get a better deal out of my daily choice of Albergue if I turn up with a heavier pack than anyone else. Should non religious walkers get benefits afforded that should only be afforded those of whatever religion. What if a walker is just, heaven forbid, out for a cheap walking holiday with no intention of seeking a Compostela, ergo not covered by any rules. Where do they stand on your hierarchy of privilege? What about those who see the walk as a rite of passage to prove themselves capable of flying across the world and spending 30 days in the comparitive lap of luxury in the walking world, or those whose aim, (plenty to be seen on YT), is to deplete Northern Spain of its wine by hook or by crook.
Really. The credencial text is far from nebulous - written in plain sight and if you cannot read Spanish or French, there are translations on the Cathedral web page or use one of the may on-line translators. Then tell me that this is a personal interpretation. It clearly isn't.
I would not recommend using a canoe on the Meseta, at least. Will be tough days. There are also a few climbs along the Camino where a canoe is very impractical, IMHO.
Someone walked the Frances with a surfboard recently. The Norte might have been a better choice....
I tend to agree with most of what you say. Except for the fact that accusing me of laziness is in fact insulting, and certainly does not move anything forward.
Doug, I didn't read Rebecca's original statement that way either. I read her original statement as saying that the reason backpacks were not accepted was that they volunteers couldn't guarantee being there to receive them and didn't want to look after them in the owners absence and nothing more. It was her later comment that people who had backpacks sent to nearby restaurants and then brought them to the albegues were "gaming the system" that made me look deeper. If it was just the surface reading of her original post, what system were they gaming? The ruleset that you offer, that people who use automobiles to assist by carrying backpacks are breaking the terms of their credencial is even less evident in her post that the interpretation I offered, although it may be what was behind her second response. I'm not a mind reader, however, so I looked to her words for an explanation.
Sure, but think how much time he'll save on the Canal de Castilla!
There have always been rules from the church and from the lodgings.
The rules from the church and the rules from the lodgings are not the same.
@David Tallan I see where you are coming from now. I still think you might be extending this idea well beyond the mere words and the context would suggest to me would be warranted.
There is evidence that a form of baggage transfer was offered by Jesus Jato from Villafrance del Bierzo to O Cebriero as early as 1990. See http://www.verscompostelle.be/transport-de-sacs-a-dos.htm for an article on this matter from Pierre Swalus in Pactem, the Review of the Belgium Association of Friends of the Camino.
That's OK - it's all downhill after O Cebreiro after all
I am not sure what is meant by "gaming the system" but if it means "cheating the system" that is not what I meant. I meant that one albergue has an arrangement with the delivery man who delivers the bags to a restaurant and when the hospitalera arrives, she picks them up by car and takes them to the albergue.
A little while ago @Kathar1na posted some statistics from 1987 which showed the difference in startling terms: mostly far younger, mainly students, almost all self-professed Roman Catholics walking for overtly religious reasons, and with half of all Compostelas being received by those who had walked nearly 800km from SJPDP. A very different business indeed. Personally I am glad to still find the occasional surviving remnant of that earlier more independent and less self-entitled spirit.
Thank you. I think the true spirit of the Camino is to do one’s own path and respect the right of others to fo
I absolutely love this statement.
Thanks, especially for the final paragraph.The Camino is a metaphor for life, it's not perfect but we're all trying to become better versions of ourselves and some of us need to carry more or less and walk, bike, bus wherever we need to, however we please, to get to wherever we end up. Judge away if it serves you and read with caution if your adverse to Pilgrims who carry the weight on their shoulders. I do it because:
I'm on a pilgrimage and expect there to be a degree of physical discomfort until body adapts, you build core strength and you realise that anything is possible.
After weeks carrying my pack I feel stronger, the pack and it's contents conform to my body shape and I become connected with it, I even name it Terry and develop an attachment in some ways like my trusty Merrell shoes and Tilley hat
When walking with others who are carrying their bags there's a sense of comradeship and it's interesting to observe the different pack sizes and memrobilia and patches that adorn the exterior including the curious object's that hang from it.
Carrying a pack permits the opportunity to dry out clothes attached to the exterior
Carrying a pack can be used as a prop to sit on or rest head against when stopping for rest.
Carrying all your possessions gives you a sense of achievement, independence and self sufficiency.
I save on the cost of paying for the service which means more cafe con leche and pay it forward.
If I meet someone else or get a warm fuzzy feeling about a place I stop at en-route I can park up for the night and be in the moment.
If I'm exhausted or pick up a potential injury en-route I listen to my body and rest up until confident to continue walk.
I don't have to worry about my bag getting lost or damaged in transit.
I walked with others who forward their bags only to find at the end of a long days hike the bag wasn't left off were it was expected creating unnecessary stress, anxiety and labour intensive search around all Albergue, bars, and possible buildings that was left at. Not to mention phonecalls and emails as a result.
Carrying all you need with you means you can adapt your layer's or clothing to changing environments.
Carrying all you need means that if there is occasion that Albergue is overbooked and it's late in the day it's easier to improvise and prepare to sleep under the stars or in alternative shelters.
Carrying all you need means there is opportunity to give away item's to others more in need.
Carrying all you need means that should the opportunity to pickup something along the way there's room in the pack to accommodate for provisions etc.
I'm open to the lesson that you carry or end up carrying what you need not want you want.
I can achieve a state of flow when my body, mind, feet, back, pack, shoes and the trail and connection with nature become one, my basic needs are taken care of and my thoughts can focus on nothing but being in the moment and feeling free.
The only pack I leave behind every morning is the emotional pack I take with me and no one would want to carry that and I couldn't afford to pay for it.
I understand that others do it there way and I respect that but just some alternative reason's why I personally do it my way and when I can't I'll transfer my bag, walk as far as I can, bus or taxi to my Albergue and rest easy wherever I end up in the knowledge I did it my Way
We love you, too, RemysMimi.
Thank you so much for saying this. I think it has already done so.
Were it so.They are the best type to love
