Permethrin or silicone spray?

[Marbe2]

I have been reading about using a silicone spray on my windbreaker and trail shoes. However, we currently permethrin these items. Using the silicone spray may nullify the effectiveness of the permethrin?If you use both...is there an effective way of applying both?

Second question. Permethrin supposedly lasts for six washes. If you wash your clothes every three days then the permethrin is really not effective after about 3 weeks? Anyone have anotherintervention along the route?

 

[Deleted member 43780]

Wondering why did you use permethrin on your wind breaker and shoes?

I can see outside of sleeping bag, on pack, on outside of hammock, etc.

But lost why on wind breaker?

Using silicone spray on jackets, shoes etc has questionable benefits.

One negative is trapping moisture.

Nothing like a good double dose of toxic substances.....

 

[Marbe2]

Wondering why did you use permethrin on your wind breaker and shoes?

I can see outside of sleeping bag, on pack, on outside of hammock, etc.

But lost why on wind breaker?

Using silicone spray on jackets, shoes etc has questionable benefits.

One negative is trapping moisture.

Nothing like a good double dose of toxic substances.....

Because I do not want Bedbugs to crawl in to my gear.

 

[C clearly]

I do not want Bedbugs to crawl in to my gear.

Then enclose all your gear in a tightly closed bag at night, which is the time when bedbugs are usually most active. At other times, keep your gear well organized and perhaps enclosed most of the time, too. Don't leave things strewn about. If you need to hang one or 2 items at night, shake them and examine in the morning. Shoes kept out of the sleeping area (where bedbug dinner spends the night) are not likely to carry bedbugs, but I suppose it is possible. In the morning, put all your exposed sleeping gear into a closed bag(s) inside your pack for the day. If you don't develop any bites during the day, it is very likely that you were not exposed.

 

[trecile]

I sprayed my backpack, sleep sack, down blanket, and every cloth organizer that I packed my clothes and other things in with permethrin, in the hope that if a bedbug made its way into my pack it would be killed.

 

[JillGat]

Don't spray your shoes with silicone. Just don't.

 

[Deleted member 67185]

Hi, Marbe2....

This is a product line which may just work better for your intended application. I have had very good results with it on a variety of fabrics. I find silicone type sprays to not be as effective.

Also, for bedbug critter protection, I just use a large utility bag to put my backpack into overnight. Your shoes, etc could also fit in. The next morning, I just grab the whole bag and carry it to the common area in order to do my fiddling around prior to leaving in order to keep my noise footprint to a dull roar

 

[Marbe2]

Hi, Marbe2....

This is a product line which may just work better for your intended application. I have had very good results with it on a variety of fabrics. I find silicone type sprays to not be as effective.

Also, for bedbug critter protection, I just use a large utility bag to put my backpack into overnight. Your shoes, etc could also fit in. The next morning, I just grab the whole bag and carry it to the common area in order to do my fiddling around prior to leaving in order to keep my noise footprint to a dull roar

Dave,from what I have read DWR and perrmethrin are not effective together?

https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/81780/

 

[JillGat]

You don't need permethrin on the clothes and shoes you will be wearing in the day time. Just put those in protected sacks. Also, I can't imagine walking in waterproof, non-breathable windbreaker and shoes.

 

[Deleted member 67185]

Dave,from what I have read DWR and perrmethrin are not effective together?

https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/81780/

Maybe, maybe not depending on what gets applied first and drying time, etc. I thought that if it was an either/or issue, that the utility bag alternative might help with the concern with bedbugs. I might also mention that while permethrin has some effectiveness with ticks and mosquitos, it does not repel bedbugs. It may have an insecticidal effect, but even that is not a certainty with the resistance that has been developing to permethrin and other pyrethroids in bedbugs.

 

[Deleted member 43780]

Knock on madera.... did 4 caminos and not a single bed bug.
I did spray out side of pack, outside of sleeping bag, out side of hammock and all small packing type of bags that went into my pack.

Did all the things pointed out above about keeping bag in certain places and being careful.

IMHO I wouldn't spray wind breaker or shoes.

You can spray and spray. Be so careful.
And get bed bugs on the bus or train after your camino! They, from what I understand, love to hitch a ride. May move from bag to bag.
Or get them when on the bus...the seat you are sitting in.

Silicone on shoes... traps moisture in. And most likely won't last long anyway. I have never been a fan of silicone spraying things.

 

[backpack45scb]

We permethrin spray all outer clothing, sleeping bag outer surface, pack outer surface. Never silicone anything. Every few years any breathable rain gear needs to be washed according to directions, and sprayed with the proper material such as NikWax https://www.rei.com/product/783563/

 

[domigee]

Same answer as @C clearly ! Oh and check the room before you put anything down.

 

[AlmostAnastasia]

Because I do not want Bedbugs to crawl in to my gear.

Why not put your pack in a garbage bag at night. That might do the job.

 

[alaskadiver]

Maybe, maybe not depending on what gets applied first and drying time, etc. I thought that if it was an either/or issue, that the utility bag alternative might help with the concern with bedbugs. I might also mention that while permethrin has some effectiveness with ticks and mosquitos, it does not repel bedbugs. It may have an insecticidal effect, but even that is not a certainty with the resistance that has been developing to permethrin and other pyrethroids in bedbugs.

I've given up trying to tell people about the ineffectiveness of Permethrin on bed bugs. People will continue to choose to believe whatever they want instead of doing actual research.

 

[Tess@rest]

I try to steer away from harsh chemicals like Permethrin. Instead I carry a small vial of real lavender oil and a small empty spray bottle I got from Target/WalMart. Mix three to four drops of oil with a couple of tablespoons of water in the bottle...shake well (oil & water don't stay mixed ) and spray your bed, bedding, clothing and pack as well. You will smell better, sleep better and keep the bugs away. I've walked multiple caminos and never had a problem with bedbugs.

 

[Deleted member 67185]

I try to steer away from harsh chemicals like Permethrin. Instead I carry a small vial of real lavender oil and a small empty spray bottle I got from Target/WalMart. Mix three to four drops of oil with a couple of tablespoons of water in the bottle...shake well (oil & water don't stay mixed ) and spray your bed, bedding, clothing and pack as well. You will smell better, sleep better and keep the bugs away. I've walked multiple caminos and never had a problem with bedbugs.

As with permethrin, there are drawbacks with a lot of things. Case in point: a lot of folks have problems with perfume smells from colognes, perfumes, essential oils, etc, and still others who have no sensitivities with them nonetheless find them objectionable, too.

There is no real measurable objective evidence that essential oils act as repellents despite anecdotal testimony to the contrary. I could safely point out that far more people, including myself, have never been bitten by bedbugs and have used nothing to repel them.

The beds and mattresses themselves should never be sprayed with anything.