JustOneGuy
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- Time of past OR future Camino
- Aug 2024: GR130, Apr 25: Camino Primitivo?
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The estimates of x1.25 to x1.5 seem to be pretty much spot on. Average walking speed is between 2.5-4.0 mph. But, that’s quite a big range. As I know that I walk closer to the higher end of that range, my walking day would be shorter than for a slower walker even with breaks, sight-seeing, and lolly gagging figured in. The other factor that I’ve found to determine the time required to cover a certain distance is whether I’m walking solo or with a partner. When walking with my wife, we tend to take more time to smell the roses (and I thank her for that). The general goal that I set daily is the time I want to arrive at my destination. My preference is to finish my walking day between 1-2 in the afternoon. So, whether I’m closer to 1 or to 2 doesn’t really matter. Buen Camino!Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Don't over think it. Try to stay on your schedule. If you find yourself behind schedule, taxi or bus.I was asking myself a question. It may be that with your experience I can come to a more or less reasonable conclusion....
Suppose a stage takes 4 hours, or 6 hours of walking. From that, how long you are actually, on average, between when you leave and when you arrive?
Obviously it depends on the elevation gain, the terrain, your physical fitness, your fatigue, the landscape, the hours of sunshine, the weather, random factors (I want to stop 2 hours to look at the sea, I had a little inconvenience...) etc... But, you know, the roughest estimate is better than nothing (aka "the best is the enemy of the good", Voltaire).
So, on average, does it seem reasonable to you, based on your personal experience, to assume that for a typical route the time spent on the road is for example 1.5 that required by the walk? More? Less?
Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Any experience will be infinitely appreciated....
However, this could be misleading since the typical person who uploads their tracks to Wikiloc might not be the typical person walking on the Camino. For example, here is one of my days on the Invierno, which I didn't upload. Notice that my walking speed was respectable, but compare the moving time to the total time. It was a lovely day.you can search for many members Camino stages at Wikiloc.com. Each recorded track has the distance, average speed, moving time and total time.
We took about 1.5 to 1.7X as we stopped at cafes, look at views, read the historical signs. So many folks rushed past points of interest without stopping so I am definitely on the high side, but got to see lots. Averaged 20Km/day at 4.1km/hr but typical spent 7 to 8 hrs between accommodationsI was asking myself a question. It may be that with your experience I can come to a more or less reasonable conclusion....
Suppose a stage takes 4 hours, or 6 hours of walking. From that, how long you are actually, on average, between when you leave and when you arrive?
Obviously it depends on the elevation gain, the terrain, your physical fitness, your fatigue, the landscape, the hours of sunshine, the weather, random factors (I want to stop 2 hours to look at the sea, I had a little inconvenience...) etc... But, you know, the roughest estimate is better than nothing (aka "the best is the enemy of the good", Voltaire).
So, on average, does it seem reasonable to you, based on your personal experience, to assume that for a typical route the time spent on the road is for example 1.5 that required by the walk? More? Less?
Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Any experience will be infinitely appreciated....
As pointed out in other posts, there are a lot of variables. I consider age, fitness, general health in the moment and terrain the most important for me in trying to answer your question. So, I’m 67, better than average fitness for my age and in good health but I was nursing a sore knee. I looked at my time/distance stats on 5 different stages including flats, ascents, descents and mixed. I averaged 3.75K/hour across the Arogónes/Francés this spring including stops so I was walking faster obviously but your question includes breaks and side trips. Your pace may be slower in the beginning until you walk yourself into Camino shape. Interestingly, I walked slower in the rain which surprised me. I guess it’s such a beat-down (for me) that I was just plodding along.I was asking myself a question. It may be that with your experience I can come to a more or less reasonable conclusion....
Suppose a stage takes 4 hours, or 6 hours of walking. From that, how long you are actually, on average, between when you leave and when you arrive?
Obviously it depends on the elevation gain, the terrain, your physical fitness, your fatigue, the landscape, the hours of sunshine, the weather, random factors (I want to stop 2 hours to look at the sea, I had a little inconvenience...) etc... But, you know, the roughest estimate is better than nothing (aka "the best is the enemy of the good", Voltaire).
So, on average, does it seem reasonable to you, based on your personal experience, to assume that for a typical route the time spent on the road is for example 1.5 that required by the walk? More? Less?
Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Any experience will be infinitely appreciated....
I prefer cortados. Should it be x 1.49?With all the caveats you mentioned, yes, I'd say, on average, for me, x1.5 is a decent guess. But I do like my short breaks for a café con leche and something sweet quite often
i don’t think you’ll go far wrong thinking of 4 km/hr, including breaksThanks guys! I didn't expect much interest in this thread, but... you surprised me.
Let me clarify that this is not a real "study", just a way to foresee how much time I should add to the start time to reach my destination.
Let me just clarify that this factor should not only include actual walking time, but also stops. The walking speed is kind of irrelevant because it is included in the "walking time".
I am quite a fast walker, but this time I do not want to rush. Just the opposite.
In a nutshell, I would say the best factor could be so far 1.2 - 1.7 times your "expected walking time".
I prefer cortados. Should it be x 1.49?
Just joking...
I wonder how the Frances affects pace versus other routes. Does the vastly more social atmosphere slow you down or speed you up?
Of course it matters! Maybe not on the Caminos in Spain, ok, but if you walk in more remote ones, you NEED to know if you’ll make it before night time!I can't believe I read to the end of this thread! My initial response was DOES IT REALLY MATTER? and at the end I'm thinking the same...and somewhere in the middle where someone told you to stick to your schedule I wanted to tell you ditch the schedule altogether if you can give yourself more time than you think you'll need...and if someone walks at an average rate of 6km/hr (as I have done on some of my caminos) then yes you can cover 4km/hr with breaks even on a multiday trip - but only if you walk that fast!!....and then I reminded myself different people are interested in different things and I should just go quietly into this dark night without posting on this thread LOL
Yes, of course. But if you know how fast you walk when you are walking, you calculate the time needed, add some break time, and then discipline yourself to the time available.you NEED to know if you’ll make it before night time!
I would say that having actual bars to stop at for a meal does cause me to take more time. I had a couple of days on the Invierno this year with no bar/restaurant to stop at for lunch, so I sat for a few minutes and ate the lunch that I brought with me - probably saved me 15 - 20 minutes.I wonder how the Frances affects pace versus other routes. Does the vastly more social atmosphere slow you down or speed you up? (More people to pause and talk to, more people to keep walking with? )
Surely the comparative plethora of bars makes for a longer day than other routes?
I do not think that including breaks you can/wish to walk at 4 km/hr on a multiday trip, do you?
There are actually many possible reasons for that: the need to arrive before the pack to get a bed in the Albergue, the wish to do something in town before night (a shower, a walk, a visit to a famous monument, see a friend...).On the other hand, as others have pointed out, the question is really not that important. Unless you plan to walk 40k days each day you will arrive with plenty of time to spare, even if you cover only 3k an hour.
All valid points and i am sure more can be found.There are actually many possible reasons for that: the need to arrive before the pack to get a bed in the Albergue, the wish to do something in town before night (a shower, a walk, a visit to a famous monument, see a friend...).
Then in some cases, like for example a stage taking more than 8 hours in my future planned camino, to arrive on time, or before night in autumn or spring.
Just a few guesses.
If you are sending your pack ahead to an albergue you should have a reservation there.There are actually many possible reasons for that: the need to arrive before the pack to get a bed in the Albergue,
This is one of my favorite things I've read here this year.It does not depend just the cats, sheep, donkeys … we greet, but on how each day unfolds.
As we walked out of Sarria, early one afternoon, when we met a French woman who took photos of every flower and insect that caught her attention, my spouse decided that we should walk with her. We had a similar experience with a person from Montreal on the walk to Caldas de Reis.
Or the fellow with whom I’d walked from Roncesvalles, who, somewhere after Pamplona, offered to carry the pack of a person who seemed to be struggling. We each walked at a different pace, but in the end managed to walk together for over 10 days.
Then there was a Brit who elected to slow down to encourage an injured person who had been abandoned by her tour group. A few days later, he asked us for directions and walked with us to the next village where we spent the afternoon at a beachside café. Several hours later, as the sun was getting low, he broke into Portuguese as he jumped on his phone and booked us into a wonderful Albergue.
In February, when walking alone most of each day, I tended to walk faster and further (25-35km) each day, eventually developing an adductor problem which took many months to recover from.
On a dusty logging road in a very, very remote part of northern British Columbia, the driver of our crew stopped to offer a fellow a lift to town, saying "it will save you a day of walking". The local guy turned down the ride, saying "but then I'd be in town a day earlier".
Schedule? What is that? Just allow a few days more than you think you might need, then a few more for some time on arrival. Then forget about time and enjoy the walk.Don't over think it. Try to stay on your schedule. If you find yourself behind schedule, taxi or bus.
I was asking myself a question. It may be that with your experience I can come to a more or less reasonable conclusion....
Suppose a stage takes 4 hours, or 6 hours of walking. From that, how long you are actually, on average, between when you leave and when you arrive?
Obviously it depends on the elevation gain, the terrain, your physical fitness, your fatigue, the landscape, the hours of sunshine, the weather, random factors (I want to stop 2 hours to look at the sea, I had a little inconvenience...) etc... But, you know, the roughest estimate is better than nothing (aka "the best is the enemy of the good", Voltaire).
So, on average, does it seem reasonable to you, based on your personal experience, to assume that for a typical route the time spent on the road is for example 1.5 that required by the walk? More? Less?
Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Any experience will be infinitely appreciated....
Yep to this Roboforget it! and enjoy the walk...........
I agree.Schedule? What is that? Just allow a few days more than you think you might need, then a few more for some time on arrival.
do you mean the schedule for the day (departure and arrival times) or do you change routes during the day, perhaps sleeping earlier or later?I have always made a schedule, but none has lasted more than 3 days. I may learn something on the way, such as stop before or after the Briely stage stops, sometimes I feel especially good and go further and others am dragging and stop short. Planning gives cofidence, but more importantly the confidence to modify things as you go along.
Plus you forgot time spent preparing the like of this list\scheduleYep to this Robo
You could for funs sake try and come up with an algo for how long it should take , plus or minus how the day unfolds ...
4 hours walking
eating time +45
meeting a nice person +1hour
bumping into annoying person -30 mins (speeded up)
dinner large +60 mins
stone in shoe +5
blister trouble +60
packing pizza oven + +
etc etc ... It will only take you a short while to realise how futile some of the plans for your time are as there are too many varialbes. Brierleys stages and times are not far off for the average pilgrim IMO
Take the day as it comes. FWIW I walked my last CF in 22 days, no rest days ( didn't need or want one ) and had a blast. Walk 6 hours , maybe 1 hour breaks
I understand your concern, i guess i had the same at some point, but in practice, it is not a problem.I certainly don't like to have a rigid schedule, however, at least knowing how long I EXPECT to take is important in my opinion, to know whether I arrive at night or during the day. Especially for those, like me, who are in their first experience with the camino.
Depends greatly on both your personality and your physical fitness. I met a German who was pushing himself to do fifty kilometers per day. Others prefer a more relaxed pace. Then there are people like me who stop for photos, get a café con leche in every village, and read the entirety of every informational sign.Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
After years of long distance through hiking (and 2 Caminos), I have determined that for me (at my pace and need for rest stops), I divide the distance by 2 to estimate the amount of time it will take to complete the hike. I shoot for an average of 12 miles per day, to that means it will take me about 6 hours. This includes both walking and break time factored in.I was asking myself a question. It may be that with your experience I can come to a more or less reasonable conclusion....
Suppose a stage takes 4 hours, or 6 hours of walking. From that, how long you are actually, on average, between when you leave and when you arrive?
Obviously it depends on the elevation gain, the terrain, your physical fitness, your fatigue, the landscape, the hours of sunshine, the weather, random factors (I want to stop 2 hours to look at the sea, I had a little inconvenience...) etc... But, you know, the roughest estimate is better than nothing (aka "the best is the enemy of the good", Voltaire).
So, on average, does it seem reasonable to you, based on your personal experience, to assume that for a typical route the time spent on the road is for example 1.5 that required by the walk? More? Less?
Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Any experience will be infinitely appreciated....
Yes ofcourse. I think we agreeYes, of course. But if you know how fast you walk when you are walking, you calculate the time needed, add some break time, and then discipline yourself to the time available.
I looked at my gps data from 2019. 35 walking days. Total time from daily depart to daily arrive at accommodation…233 hours. Total walking time over the 35 days 191 hours.I was asking myself a question. It may be that with your experience I can come to a more or less reasonable conclusion....
Suppose a stage takes 4 hours, or 6 hours of walking. From that, how long you are actually, on average, between when you leave and when you arrive?
Obviously it depends on the elevation gain, the terrain, your physical fitness, your fatigue, the landscape, the hours of sunshine, the weather, random factors (I want to stop 2 hours to look at the sea, I had a little inconvenience...) etc... But, you know, the roughest estimate is better than nothing (aka "the best is the enemy of the good", Voltaire).
So, on average, does it seem reasonable to you, based on your personal experience, to assume that for a typical route the time spent on the road is for example 1.5 that required by the walk? More? Less?
Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Any experience will be infinitely appreciated....
I really do love statistics, but for sure mine fluctuated-I was asking myself a question. It may be that with your experience I can come to a more or less reasonable conclusion....
Suppose a stage takes 4 hours, or 6 hours of walking. From that, how long you are actually, on average, between when you leave and when you arrive?
Obviously it depends on the elevation gain, the terrain, your physical fitness, your fatigue, the landscape, the hours of sunshine, the weather, random factors (I want to stop 2 hours to look at the sea, I had a little inconvenience...) etc... But, you know, the roughest estimate is better than nothing (aka "the best is the enemy of the good", Voltaire).
So, on average, does it seem reasonable to you, based on your personal experience, to assume that for a typical route the time spent on the road is for example 1.5 that required by the walk? More? Less?
Example: if the route takes 4 hours from A to B, will it actually take me 6 hours to get to my destination?
Any experience will be infinitely appreciated....
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