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This statement can only cause discomfort, although it perhaps makes you feel above the fray. It is the type of thing that many of us may think, in various forms, and justify as being just a crusty remark. However, it is better not tossed out into the public forum as an generalized insult that can also hurt well-meaning people.
Absolutely. I also tend to bluntly state the facts as I see them. I am just learning in my old age that it is not always necessary or advantageous to do so.there’s a bit of waking up and smelling the coffee needed occasionally?
TouchéAbsolutely. I also tend to bluntly state the facts as I see them. I am just learning in my old age that it is not always necessary or advantageous to do so.
That's OK. @henrythedog and I have become friends now, after a few PMs!Play nicely Pilgrims. We are all only here for the fun of it.
The first time I read in these forums of the concept of 'packing out' your toilet waste I admit I was confronted. However, having considered it, and further to Robo's story above about using a trowel, something further convinces me of it's worth, and indeed advisability. In those stretches of the Camino where a toilet is not available, and only a single likely-looking bush or tree is in sight, I foresee that other pilgrims, quite a few of them, have very probably availed themselves of its proximity for an identical purpose, with the distinct possibility that when you dig your own little hole you might strike 'Black Gold'.
Now, that is worse than confronting.
REALLY? SERIOUSLY ? OMG !!!! Try Disney World for creature comforts.Hello Fellow Pilgrims, I'm sure this subject has been talked about a number of times in the past and suggestions have been passed along to those responsible for maintaining the routes. I just finished my first Camino walking up the Coastal Portugal Route and to Finisterre & Muxia. With the many thousands of Pilgrims who walk the routes throughout the year, year after year, respectfully, I just don't understand why there are No Public WCs along the Way. Yes, I know you can stop and use the restrooms at a cafe/bar/restaurant but, there were days where you didn't see a cafe/bar for many miles, perhaps most of the day. There were also times I needed to make a quick stop due to the coffee kicking in but I wasn't interested in eating anything since just had breakfast or lunch. Also, when I walked in May, some of the cafes/bars/restaurants were still closed along the beach. Hey, I am blessed with a strong bladder but some Pilgrims aren't and it would be rude to assume they can hold or if they can't, expect them to go behind a tree, bush or rock in the Rural Areas of a city/town!?! This isn't the Appalachian Trail where you are in the backcountry, days away from the nearest town! There was a thread where someone suggested "training your bladder" before you walk your Camino. Yes, one can but what if a Pilgrim got sick with a stomach bug (a friend I know) or ate some food that disagreed with your digestive system? I did overhear of a Pilgrim who becoming very sick from a meal and had to walk all day before he could "change." I'm sure it happens to quite a few.
At most beaches I walked past, where locals & visitors swim and lay on the beach, I saw only outside showers for people to wash the sand off but no public restrooms, toilets, WCs or changing rooms! What do local people do who spend the day at the beach and have to go to the restroom outside of having to go to a restaurant/bar/cafe? I couldn't even find WCs in or around the Churches I passed, which for the most part sadly were all locked. How I wanted to visit, rest in some shade, in a quiet place, say a prayer, and even get a stamp but they're locked. I understand their theft & vandalism concerns. I once helped maintain a Church years ago. Someone even stole our red carpet on the Altar! I know many people are concerned about finding used toilet paper and waste along the routes. I am too. I saw too much of it myself! It seems to me that the only logical answer would be to build small WCs along the routes so people don't have to find a bush, a tree, a rock. Believe me, on the Coastal Portuguese route, I would walk a whole day before I saw a place to go like on the hike after Vigo! You are up on a ridge in the forest all day! I did find a rock but I shouldn't have too! There were many people walking, biking...the well-known, well used path! Hey, how about a seated Rest Area & a WC! I saw a few places one could be built! On other places along the Camino, I did come across just a few shaded rest areas for Pilgrims but no WCs! There was certainly room for one! When I was in Fatima, walking the Via Dolorosa in the woods, they had a real small public WC for Men & Women. In the States, we have Rest Areas & Public Restrooms at beaches, parks, in towns... along with water fountains. Let's face it. People need Restrooms/WCs! A WC wouldn't take up much space along the routes and it wouldn't be hard or expensive to build!
As a Pilgrim planning to return to walk another Camino in the near future, I would be glad to give $5 to help support building & maintaining WCs along the routes when I purchase my passport. To be honest, I don't even know why, in the 21st Century, closing in on 2020, we need to talk about this and ask, beg... cities, towns, beaches, parks ...to build WCs along the routes to help support Pilgrims and to keep the environment clean from human waste & soiled toilet paper!!! It's just plain common sense! What if the Church supporting Pilgrimage Routes with some funds to help build a few WCs to help support the basic needs of their Pilgrims? I know that would probably be impossible. OK, how about GoFundMe accounts for Camino Route WCs? Something needs and should be done beyond talking about it! Respectfully, just a few thoughts to a problem we all can agree on but the resolution isn't a tough one! Can someone on the route governing boards help out on this and try to make it happen? Thanks much. Buen Camino to all!
Hi about building wc along the camino seems a stupid idea .can you imagine after a few days if its not cleaned regularly it will really start to stink especially in the hot weather also would start to get blocked up and dont forget all the flys etc.its better to go behind a bush or something at least the rain will do its bit and its also good for the ground recycling at least you would be doing your bit for the carbon footprint one more thing when you have got to go you have got to go and getting back to natureHello Fellow Pilgrims, I'm sure this subject has been talked about a number of times in the past and suggestions have been passed along to those responsible for maintaining the routes. I just finished my first Camino walking up the Coastal Portugal Route and to Finisterre & Muxia. With the many thousands of Pilgrims who walk the routes throughout the year, year after year, respectfully, I just don't understand why there are No Public WCs along the Way. Yes, I know you can stop and use the restrooms at a cafe/bar/restaurant but, there were days where you didn't see a cafe/bar for many miles, perhaps most of the day. There were also times I needed to make a quick stop due to the coffee kicking in but I wasn't interested in eating anything since just had breakfast or lunch. Also, when I walked in May, some of the cafes/bars/restaurants were still closed along the beach. Hey, I am blessed with a strong bladder but some Pilgrims aren't and it would be rude to assume they can hold or if they can't, expect them to go behind a tree, bush or rock in the Rural Areas of a city/town!?! This isn't the Appalachian Trail where you are in the backcountry, days away from the nearest town! There was a thread where someone suggested "training your bladder" before you walk your Camino. Yes, one can but what if a Pilgrim got sick with a stomach bug (a friend I know) or ate some food that disagreed with your digestive system? I did overhear of a Pilgrim who becoming very sick from a meal and had to walk all day before he could "change." I'm sure it happens to quite a few.
At most beaches I walked past, where locals & visitors swim and lay on the beach, I saw only outside showers for people to wash the sand off but no public restrooms, toilets, WCs or changing rooms! What do local people do who spend the day at the beach and have to go to the restroom outside of having to go to a restaurant/bar/cafe? I couldn't even find WCs in or around the Churches I passed, which for the most part sadly were all locked. How I wanted to visit, rest in some shade, in a quiet place, say a prayer, and even get a stamp but they're locked. I understand their theft & vandalism concerns. I once helped maintain a Church years ago. Someone even stole our red carpet on the Altar! I know many people are concerned about finding used toilet paper and waste along the routes. I am too. I saw too much of it myself! It seems to me that the only logical answer would be to build small WCs along the routes so people don't have to find a bush, a tree, a rock. Believe me, on the Coastal Portuguese route, I would walk a whole day before I saw a place to go like on the hike after Vigo! You are up on a ridge in the forest all day! I did find a rock but I shouldn't have too! There were many people walking, biking...the well-known, well used path! Hey, how about a seated Rest Area & a WC! I saw a few places one could be built! On other places along the Camino, I did come across just a few shaded rest areas for Pilgrims but no WCs! There was certainly room for one! When I was in Fatima, walking the Via Dolorosa in the woods, they had a real small public WC for Men & Women. In the States, we have Rest Areas & Public Restrooms at beaches, parks, in towns... along with water fountains. Let's face it. People need Restrooms/WCs! A WC wouldn't take up much space along the routes and it wouldn't be hard or expensive to build!
As a Pilgrim planning to return to walk another Camino in the near future, I would be glad to give $5 to help support building & maintaining WCs along the routes when I purchase my passport. To be honest, I don't even know why, in the 21st Century, closing in on 2020, we need to talk about this and ask, beg... cities, towns, beaches, parks ...to build WCs along the routes to help support Pilgrims and to keep the environment clean from human waste & soiled toilet paper!!! It's just plain common sense! What if the Church supporting Pilgrimage Routes with some funds to help build a few WCs to help support the basic needs of their Pilgrims? I know that would probably be impossible. OK, how about GoFundMe accounts for Camino Route WCs? Something needs and should be done beyond talking about it! Respectfully, just a few thoughts to a problem we all can agree on but the resolution isn't a tough one! Can someone on the route governing boards help out on this and try to make it happen? Thanks much. Buen Camino to all!
The first thing you do at the albergue is laundry. So no need for paper after a wee. Bury after a poo.So easy to use a panty liner during the walk so at least there's no need for tissue to dry yourself.
I wasn't a tourist, neither an many who Walk the Camino! We are not "demanding." Stop being so defensive, judgemental and arrogant on who or what is a 'pilgrim' and a 'tourist!' These are simple suggestions on how to attend to our natural needs and on how to keep the environment clean. Why not include a public WC on the outskirts of the Way? Even a simple portable? Hey, many people are unemployed and going through rough times all over the world. Now, for a guy, it is really easy to unzip and empty your bladder but for us gals, it is quite different! This is the 21st century, not the 12th century and we are not in the backcountry. I would hope that we have come a long way since the 12th century... in attitude, in sensitivity, with somewhat learned empathy towards others and some wisdom, in regards to personal care, and in reference to much needed facilities! Even portables would work! It is the only decent, common sense, the Mature!!!!, human... thing to do when you have thousands and thousands of pilgrims walking the Way. It will also help keep the area clean of used toilet paper, garbage and human waste! Afterall, we are not neanderthals tracing around the wilderness nor are we tourist staying at 5 star accommodations! I thought walking the Camino teaches one to not be some judgmental, to not to criticize others, to learn and practice some empathy ... to not be so nasty in attitude! We are (supposed to be) civilized people who, hopefully, have some measure of respect for the environment, respect for others whether they are residents or other visitors, whether we live there or are just passing through! Now, if you came to my area and asked about facilities, I would be glad to help you find some!
There IS a public toilet across from the tourist office in Burgos, one of those self-cleaning kiosks that takes €0.50, like the ones all over France. Some years ago in NYC the city council installed a number of them, but they were removed because -- get this -- it cost $0.25 to use, and only women would be paying, as men could easily go pee in an alley. Campaigners wanted the facilities to be free to use, but the amount of water and cleaning materials, toilet paper, etc. had to be paid for some way, so after the campaigners won their case the council just got rid of them. Can't win for losing.Here is my contribution to the subject of loos on the Camino https://readingontheroad54893552.wordpress.com/2018/11/23/when-nature-calls/
(btw, have just done the South West Coast path in UK and it was worse!)
Green portaloos on the meseta. I can see it all now. NOOOOOOOOOO!We took special purpose plastic trowels on our first camino. Useless for digging holes on sunbaked "hard as rock" ground.
I'm taking a jackhammer on the next Camino!
The worst part in my opinion, is the Orisson to Ronceveles section especially to the Spanish border. Barbed wire fences on both sides of the path.
Wirecutters might be taken also?
I still recon there is a great business opportunity for someone prepared to tow portaloos to be placed strategically along the way. I'd pay happily pay 5 euros to visit when needed.
This is a topic that comes up often......... But I think we need to take responsibility, not the local authorities.
I know many people are concerned about finding used toilet paper and waste along the routes. I am too. I saw too much of it myself! It seems to me that the only logical answer would be to build small WCs along the routes so people don't have to find a bush, a tree, a rock.
Not everyone is a church goer, on a pilgrimage, religious or even spiritual. Some people are on a long walk to get away from the rat race...Just had a great idea! Maybe the Church could fund the public toilets - as their modern contribution to the notion of going on pilgrimage.
Indeed, but I never felt that I wouldn't use a toilet in a church were I in need. I recently walked part of the (Australian) Bicentennial National Trail, a horse oriented track along almost the entire eastern part of Australia. There were a couple of small country churches built in splendid isolation along the way, all with toilets at the back of the property, and not inside the church building. It always pays to make a check for other occupants when using these, but so much better than squatting by the side of the road.Not everyone is a church goer, on a pilgrimage, religious or even spiritual. Some people are on a long walk to get away from the rat race...
With respect, informing others that their worldy concerns are negligible in comparison to those that are, variously, ill in hospital/live in a hovel in Calcutta/born with a humpback etc is at best unconvincing. The same argument can be leveled at the person who utters it. The logical end-point is that no-one except the single most unfortunate and down-trodden individual in the world has justification in voicing a disaffected opinion. A moderator only several days ago reminded forum members that one of the few justifications for their deleting of posts is a holier-than-thou attitude, so please, let's keep it polite.You sure have become a very experienced Pilgrim ......very quickly.
When you walk the Frances as you informed us that was your intention then your attitude might change.
One of the great joys of walking all those km’s in France and Spain was the feeling of not being in the 21sr century.
Picture a children’s hospital , picture the casualty section and then tell me how important is this subject that you have written many many words on.
I am very careful about knocking what other countries have , very careful indeed.
Both of the human and arachnid kind. In Australia we have a venomous spider that likes living under toilet seats in old outhouses...It always pays to make a check for other occupants wh
Was in my opinion the OP's words in earlier posts,a disaffected opinion.
Indeed. Nor should that be a priority.that the world won't come to an end if Spain ignores "the begging and /or go fund me tribe " to enter the 21st Century with toilets for the paths and it's definitely not a major concern amongst the many hundreds of thousands who walk the Camino's each year.
clarified the discomfort that has been chewing on me in the background around this whole topic, but that I couldn't quite articulate.The answer is NOT public toilets along a Camino, it is gaining compliance though whatever means are effective that will help solve that problem.
A friend of mine has written a number of guidebooks. In an angry post by one user several months after one of his guides was published he was criticised for failing to predict that a bar he had mentioned in the book had run out of toilet paper on the day the reader visited. Do not expect your reviews to be 100% rationalThe quality of your service will be rated in internet.
This is the typical Post Diluvian irrationality.A friend of mine has written a number of guidebooks. In an angry post by one user several months after one of his guides was published he was criticised for failing to predict that a bar he had mentioned in the book had run out of toilet paper on the day the reader visited. Do not expect your reviews to be 100% rational
I can understand this predicament, but in reality if wouldn't be possible or practical.Hello Fellow Pilgrims, I'm sure this subject has been talked about a number of times in the past and suggestions have been passed along to those responsible for maintaining the routes. I just finished my first Camino walking up the Coastal Portugal Route and to Finisterre & Muxia. With the many thousands of Pilgrims who walk the routes throughout the year, year after year, respectfully, I just don't understand why there are No Public WCs along the Way. Yes, I know you can stop and use the restrooms at a cafe/bar/restaurant but, there were days where you didn't see a cafe/bar for many miles, perhaps most of the day. There were also times I needed to make a quick stop due to the coffee kicking in but I wasn't interested in eating anything since just had breakfast or lunch. Also, when I walked in May, some of the cafes/bars/restaurants were still closed along the beach. Hey, I am blessed with a strong bladder but some Pilgrims aren't and it would be rude to assume they can hold or if they can't, expect them to go behind a tree, bush or rock in the Rural Areas of a city/town!?! This isn't the Appalachian Trail where you are in the backcountry, days away from the nearest town! There was a thread where someone suggested "training your bladder" before you walk your Camino. Yes, one can but what if a Pilgrim got sick with a stomach bug (a friend I know) or ate some food that disagreed with your digestive system? I did overhear of a Pilgrim who becoming very sick from a meal and had to walk all day before he could "change." I'm sure it happens to quite a few.
At most beaches I walked past, where locals & visitors swim and lay on the beach, I saw only outside showers for people to wash the sand off but no public restrooms, toilets, WCs or changing rooms! What do local people do who spend the day at the beach and have to go to the restroom outside of having to go to a restaurant/bar/cafe? I couldn't even find WCs in or around the Churches I passed, which for the most part sadly were all locked. How I wanted to visit, rest in some shade, in a quiet place, say a prayer, and even get a stamp but they're locked. I understand their theft & vandalism concerns. I once helped maintain a Church years ago. Someone even stole our red carpet on the Altar! I know many people are concerned about finding used toilet paper and waste along the routes. I am too. I saw too much of it myself! It seems to me that the only logical answer would be to build small WCs along the routes so people don't have to find a bush, a tree, a rock. Believe me, on the Coastal Portuguese route, I would walk a whole day before I saw a place to go like on the hike after Vigo! You are up on a ridge in the forest all day! I did find a rock but I shouldn't have too! There were many people walking, biking...the well-known, well used path! Hey, how about a seated Rest Area & a WC! I saw a few places one could be built! On other places along the Camino, I did come across just a few shaded rest areas for Pilgrims but no WCs! There was certainly room for one! When I was in Fatima, walking the Via Dolorosa in the woods, they had a real small public WC for Men & Women. In the States, we have Rest Areas & Public Restrooms at beaches, parks, in towns... along with water fountains. Let's face it. People need Restrooms/WCs! A WC wouldn't take up much space along the routes and it wouldn't be hard or expensive to build!
As a Pilgrim planning to return to walk another Camino in the near future, I would be glad to give $5 to help support building & maintaining WCs along the routes when I purchase my passport. To be honest, I don't even know why, in the 21st Century, closing in on 2020, we need to talk about this and ask, beg... cities, towns, beaches, parks ...to build WCs along the routes to help support Pilgrims and to keep the environment clean from human waste & soiled toilet paper!!! It's just plain common sense! What if the Church supporting Pilgrimage Routes with some funds to help build a few WCs to help support the basic needs of their Pilgrims? I know that would probably be impossible. OK, how about GoFundMe accounts for Camino Route WCs? Something needs and should be done beyond talking about it! Respectfully, just a few thoughts to a problem we all can agree on but the resolution isn't a tough one! Can someone on the route governing boards help out on this and try to make it happen? Thanks much. Buen Camino to all!
I'm tellin' ya. Even to use the toilets in Micky D's you have to ask for the key at the counter. No such thing as a free ride anywhere.Try to find free toilets in nyc. Lol
Department stores are often your best bet in big citiesI'm tellin' ya. Even to use the toilets in Micky D's you have to ask for the key at the counter. No such thing as a free ride anywhere.
Can't you just nip behind a bush?Try to find free toilets in nyc. Lol
They've created apps for that.Try to find free toilets in nyc. Lol
This sounds like it was written by my husband!!! Actually, I liked to use the wee paths as you knew that they would lead to a likely spot but WHY don't people carry out their paper and dig a hole for number 2s! It is very easy to do this. Just bring a ziplock bag.You'll 'get over it'
My wife Pat uses the toilet about 15 times a day! I kid you not.
A bladder the size of a matchbox!
On Day 1, of her first Camino she tried not to drink too much in the morning, so as to make it to the first toilet.
Ha. Fat Chance!
The idea of squatting behind a bush did not please her.........
She lasted 38 minutes
As she emerged from the bushes with a smile of relief on her face, she remarked "well that wasn't so bad"
She must have stopped 5 -10 times / day. Seriously.........
And of course every cafe / bar we passed!
If out of town......She would merely remark.........."look out for a nice bush in the next 10 minutes please"..........
I became an expert! Key characteristics to look for are.......:
I was always able to find such a spot within 5 minutes.........
- Not an obvious location. Otherwise you'll find lots of people have been there before you.
- It provides 'cover' from both directions along the path.
- Don't forget to check the 'third' angle. Any other things like houses, roads, paths that may look 'onto' your chosen spot from behind you. (beyond the path)
- If needing to stop for something more 'serious' the ground surface should allow for digging a small hole.
Occasionally it was a grass ditch beside the path, but only if no one was within sight or following Pilgrims were far away.......
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One of two public toilets seen between Le Puy and Conques. If the French can do it, why not the Spanish?
You'll 'get over it'
My wife Pat uses the toilet about 15 times a day! I kid you not.
A bladder the size of a matchbox!
On Day 1, of her first Camino she tried not to drink too much in the morning, so as to make it to the first toilet.
Ha. Fat Chance!
The idea of squatting behind a bush did not please her.........
She lasted 38 minutes
As she emerged from the bushes with a smile of relief on her face, she remarked "well that wasn't so bad"
She must have stopped 5 -10 times / day. Seriously.........
And of course every cafe / bar we passed!
If out of town......She would merely remark.........."look out for a nice bush in the next 10 minutes please"..........
I became an expert! Key characteristics to look for are.......:
I was always able to find such a spot within 5 minutes.........
- Not an obvious location. Otherwise you'll find lots of people have been there before you.
- It provides 'cover' from both directions along the path.
- Don't forget to check the 'third' angle. Any other things like houses, roads, paths that may look 'onto' your chosen spot from behind you. (beyond the path)
- If needing to stop for something more 'serious' the ground surface should allow for digging a small hole.
Occasionally it was a grass ditch beside the path, but only if no one was within sight or following Pilgrims were far away.......
I´m rather humbled by reading about your unselfish effort. Please accept my heartfelt thanks. It is persons like you that make it possible for us to do what we like to do (walk the Caminos......).I live on the Meseta and help care for the trail. As the number of pilgrims goes up, the amount of hygiene-related litter goes up. Much of this is due to the changing profile of the pilgrims: Back in the day, Camino hikers were youthful athletic types who knew how to pee outdoors. (but they also threw their water bottles and UberNutritionFoil-PakNRG wrappers willy-nilly everywhere). Nowadays, lots of less-outdoorsy pilgrims are new to backpacking. They don't leave so much litter behind, but they have never had to urinate or defecate outdoors before. They are shocked and dismayed at the idea of not using a meter of paper, and the thought of packing soiled things out with them is just not happening. And so the trail is littered with the leavings of these oh-so fastidious folks.
The Camino Frances passes through more than 400 different municipalities, each with its own laws, budgets, and priorities. Picking up after holidaymakers, or cleaning up a pit toilet after them, is not on the cards, no matter how offensive visitors from "more civilized" places might feel.
Two years ago I and a local architect talked about Camino sewage with some people from the EU and European Commission, as well as Patrimonio and Fomento departments here in Spain and Castilla y Leon. They all just arched their eyebrows, or laughed... funding and project coordination for a comprehensive pit-toilet program, or even a big, unified litter sweep, would be a cat-herding enterprise of epic proportions. Once the potties are built, who funds the cleanup and maintenance? (and there's nothing more fun to vandalize than an isolated loo, right?)
Some of us go ahead and keep our own little part of the pathway clean, but it is thankless, filthy work. In the end, it all comes back down to the pilgrims and the hikers. The land along the trail is going to have poo and pee on it, both animal and human. It always has had. If a pilgrim cannot tolerate that, or will not clean up after him/herself, he should go and walk elsewhere.
The Camino is what it is. Take it, but for God's sake don't leave it.
(Especially baby wipes. Those SOBs never go away!)
All I can say to this is don't crap on the track. When I did the Camino Frances last year I was surprised at how many early risers didn't even bother to leave the track because it was dark and went on the edge of the walkway. I was appalled at the amount of toilet paper left around. I have an irritable bladder so there is no way I can go hours between toilet stops, everytime I left the track to pee there were mountains of paper scattered around. Totally gross. I carried a small bag for paper that I could dispose of later and when I ran out of bags buried the paper. Apart from Cafes and Bars I saw one public pay toilet in a city and didn't had the right coins to use it! It is a problem that will not be resolved because there is no one authority across the the country taking care of the Way.Dunno about Portugal or Spain. Do know about the UK where you can hire a "Portaloo" for £50 a day including servicing. Delivery and removal extra. Providing toilet opportunities for a fairly small, 5000 ticket, 4 day music festival can cost £20,000. You can divide that by 20,000, multiply by 365 and you'll arrive a a cost per location per year. Your $5 isn't going to go far, you've made a contribution to the cost of 4 days of facility on a 10 day Camino, 35 days if you start in St Jean on the Frances, and who would you pay it to?
There are no Camino Authorities, there are no governing boards, there is no-one responsible for maintaining the routes. There is no-one who could co-ordinate or control a program of facility construction or pay for ongoing maintenance, service and repair. The Camino routes, as you have discovered, range through cities, towns, tiny villages, farmed country and wild country. Where would they site any facility? From my experience on the clean-up crews I'd suggest about 1 mile after anywhere a Pilgrim can get a drink or some food, because its around about a mile after they leave a fully serviced facility that most Pilgrims seem inclined to dump their water-bottle, bocadillo wrapper or worse. @DebbieG64 I can empathise with your distress but given that so many people on this planet do not have access to sanitary facilities at any time, let alone a bar or cafe, your $5 would be better spent at https://www.wateraid.org/uk/donate/...VRrDtCh1uvg-IEAAYASAAEgK5avD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds or your local equivalent.
Thank you for what you do. It is filthy and I tried to leave nothing by footprints not always successfully. Blessings on your service to the Way.Its actually interesting
I´m rather humbled by reading about your unselfish effort. Please accept my heartfelt thanks. It is persons like you that make it possible for us to do what we like to do (walk the Caminos......).
Good idea. And if this were to work it would require hiring someone to keep the toilets clean. Frequently. Public toilets left to their own devices can be more disgusting and unsanitary than you can imagine. Not to be discouraging, just to make sure this is on your radar screen.I am a Rotarian and I have been trying to gather enough Rotarians who love the Camino from different countries to create a Camino Fellowship of Rotarians so that we can work on not only the posters but on sponsoring the installation of public toilets in a few key stretches where there are no cafes for very long stretches.
May I also suggest the following as a way to organize and fund the Way including the trail, the boardwalks, rest rooms...
Sledgehammer. Nut.There could be a "Friends of the Camino de Santiago" or the "Camino de Santiago Conservancy" organization which could do the same as the Appalachian Trail Conservancy.
Since you seem to consider the AT Conservancy to be a suitable examplar with regard to this sort of provision perhaps we should all read what they have to say on the question of sanitation on the trail. And more particularly where they say the weight of responsibility rests. For "shelters" I think we can read "albergues" in the context of the Caminos - overnight resting places about a day's walk apart rather than benches for a brief pause every mile or two. I cannot recall any albergues or refugios where I have stayed in recent years which lacked at least a basic level of sanitation.There could be a "Friends of the Camino de Santiago" or the "Camino de Santiago Conservancy" organization which could do the same as the Appalachian Trail Conservancy.
Always love the toilet discussions. Here’s my contribution: https://readingontheroad54893552.wordpress.com/2018/11/23/when-nature-calls/One final word please: There have been many responses, some quite insensitive to one's bodily needs along the Way. Let's face it--it's much easier to be a guy on the walk. All you do, which I have plainly see along the way, is turn your back and pee in a bush. At least you could be a bit more discreet and go behind a tree so people can't see you! For us women, it's not the easy! No one wants to make the Camino like Disneyland! I too was frustrated walking the last 100 kilometers with all the Camino tours. I'm not a person who just showed up at the 100 kilometer marker, stayed at 5 star hotels and has my pack shipped ahead of me. I walk with the intention of experiencing the true Camino as best as I can...in the 21 century. I'm not here to judge or to criticize other people, their resources, other countries, their culture... or the Way. I'm just trying to make a few constructive suggestions on how the walk could be protected the Way from human waste and waste litter with the millions and millions of people who walk it each year! Let's face it, people need to use the restroom/Water Closet during the walk. Now, I am speaking about the newest route, the Portuguese Coastal Route. In the 12 century, they probably didn't have millions and millions of people walking it each year on the various routes. Things are much different now in the 21 century, thus changes should be made, made to help protect the land and to address the necessary needs.
May I also suggest the following as a way to organize and fund the Way including the trail, the boardwalks, rest rooms... As a Pilgrim planning to return to walk another Camino in the near future, I would be glad to give $5 to help support building & maintaining WCs along the routes when I purchase my passport. So, who would be in charge of the accumulated funds? Now, I know a number of people dislike the America. I get it, at times I'm even frustrated with the America. Even more so now but, in the States, we really do have some great ideas which turn into projects, then programs, volunteer programs, and non for profit organizations... to help support Parks, the many Trails...where millions of people around the world do visit!
For example, in the States, the Appalachian Trail, is the longest hiking-only footpath in the world, measuring roughly 2,190 miles (3524.463 kilometers) in length. The Trail travels through fourteen states, from south to north, and is served by all volunteers, by The Appalachian Trail Conservancy, which is composed of 31 Trail Maintaining Clubs, which are responsible for most of the day-to-day work of keeping the A.T. open. In addition to Trail maintenance, club volunteers in Trail Crews, build and repair shelters and other structures, monitor and protect the Trail corridor, monitor and manage rare plants and invasive species, develop management plans for their sections, and much more. The ATC is largely funded by its more than 42,000 members and over 600,000 supporters located throughout all 50 states and in more than 15 countries. It has an main office and an all-volunteer staff in Washington, D.C., which has managed the organization for its first four decades. With central offices in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia. They work in cooperation between ATC, A.T. Clubs, A.T. Communities and government agencies as well as among staff members, volunteers, and our key constituencies. "We respect each other and work openly together to achieve our common objectives and support our mission. Surprisingly, the ATC today has only a governing body of 15 volunteers, over 43,000 individual members, an annual budget of $9.36 million, a full-time staff of about 60 in six locations (along with more than a dozen part-time and seasonal employees), and total assets of about $17 million, including about 40 properties along the Trail." "Our mission is to is to preserve and manage the Appalachian Trail – ensuring that its vast natural beauty and priceless cultural heritage can be shared and enjoyed today, tomorrow, and for centuries to come."
Then there is a Continental Divide Trail Coalition, the CDT. "The Continental Divide Trail Coalition’s vision is to see that the 3,100-mile Continental Divide National Scenic Trail (CDT) is a renowned and revered natural resource for people to connect with friends and family, draw inspiration, and create outstanding personal experiences. We see the CDT as a world-class national resource that inspires pride, passion, respect, creativity, community and perseverance. The CDTC was founded in 2012 by volunteers and recreationists hoping to provide a unified voice for the Trail. Today, CDTC is a robust 501(c)3 organization that works hand-in-hand with the U.S. Forest Service and other federal land management agencies to build a strong community of supporters who want to see the CDT protected not just for today’s users, but for generations to come." https://continentaldividetrail.org/about-cdtc/
Then, there is The Pacific Crest Trail Association, "an eclectic band of trail junkies, who champion the needs of the Pacific Crest Trail. From across the country and the world, our team travels throughout the mountain ranges of the American West to support the much larger PCT community in protecting, preserving and promoting the trail. We’re committed to the idea that by supporting our members, volunteers, partners and donors, we’ll succeed in safeguarding this National Scenic Trail for the benefit of future generations. We are the Pacific Crest Trail!" They, groups of volunteers, band together to maintain the trail from Mexico to Canada." "The Pacific Crest Trail Association is singularly focused on keeping the PCT open for generations to come. We are headquartered in Sacramento, Calif., and our staff—which includes regional representatives in Washington, Oregon and California—works with thousands of volunteers and donors to protect, preserve and promote one of the best trail experiences on Earth. We are the eyes, ears and voice for the trail." https://www.pcta.org/our-work/
In other smaller National Parks, there are "Friends of the Smokies" for example, which is a non profit organization. They have a Board of Directors, a staff and volunteers, which supports the National Park Service’s mission of preserving the Great Smoky Mountains by raising funds and recruiting volunteers who help repair the trails. “Friends” are always soliciting contributions to help fund repair work on trails, wildlife research and protection, environmental educational services. https://friendsofthesmokies.org/the-park/
In regards to the ATC: Our Values: The Appalachian Trail Conservancy is guided by a set of staff core values that represent the organization’s commitment to preserve and manage the Appalachian Trail. We pursue our mission and vision by our dedication to: Cooperation: The A.T. could not exist without cooperation: cooperation between ATC, A.T. Clubs, A.T. Communities and government agencies as well as among staff members, volunteers, and our key constituencies. We respect each other and work openly together to achieve our common objectives and support our mission. Integrity: We conduct ourselves in accordance with the highest standards of professional and personal behavior and ethics. We are transparent, honest and ethical in all our interactions with each other as well as with our partners and all those we encounter in the broader A.T. community. Inclusion: ATC aspires to be a welcoming and diverse organization that attracts, retains, and values talented people from all backgrounds. We appreciate differences in one another as well as our similarities. We strive for this spirit of inclusivity to expand beyond our organization and especially to our government and volunteer partners. Dedication: ATC staff members are passionate in their service to the Trail. From the Executive Director to seasonal staff members, in the office or in the field, on the clock and off, we work hard to promote and preserve the A.T. experience we cherish. Empowerment: We empower our talented staff members to take the initiative to stimulate continuous improvement and positive change in all aspects of the organization." http://www.appalachiantrail.org/home/about-us/mission-vision-values
There could be a "Friends of the Camino de Santiago" or the "Camino de Santiago Conservancy" organization which could do the same as the Appalachian Trail Conservancy. You can go to the individual websites to see just how well they are organized, like a well oiled machines. They are wonderful guides on how to...and I am sure with phone calls or emails to the right individuals, they could help answer any questions you may have on how to get started with developing such an organization. Don't forget the "Trail Angels," people who live near the trail, who help hikers along the way in various ways. Again, just some suggestions. Afterall, this is the 21 century! Cooperation and organization are keys. In regards to the CDT: "We see the CDT as a world-class national resource that inspires pride, passion, respect, creativity, community and perseverance. While we are extremely proud of our accomplishments to date, we realize that there is much more to be done to fulfill our vision for the future. We want to protect the Trail’s wealth of natural and scenic resources, build a sense of community, promote public land stewardship, inspire healthy lifestyles, and above all, encourage people to know, use, and care for the CDT."
Again, just some suggestions... Buen Camino!
One final word please: There have been many responses, some quite insensitive to one's bodily needs along the Way. Let's face it--it's much easier to be a guy on the walk. All you do, which I have plainly see along the way, is turn your back and pee in a bush. At least you could be a bit more discreet and go behind a tree so people can't see you! For us women, it's not the easy! No one wants to make the Camino like Disneyland! I too was frustrated walking the last 100 kilometers with all the Camino tours. I'm not a person who just showed up at the 100 kilometer marker, stayed at 5 star hotels and has my pack shipped ahead of me. I walk with the intention of experiencing the true Camino as best as I can...in the 21 century. I'm not here to judge or to criticize other people, their resources, other countries, their culture... or the Way. I'm just trying to make a few constructive suggestions on how the walk could be protected the Way from human waste and waste litter with the millions and millions of people who walk it each year! Let's face it, people need to use the restroom/Water Closet during the walk. Now, I am speaking about the newest route, the Portuguese Coastal Route. In the 12 century, they probably didn't have millions and millions of people walking it each year on the various routes. Things are much different now in the 21 century, thus changes should be made, made to help protect the land and to address the necessary needs.
May I also suggest the following as a way to organize and fund the Way including the trail, the boardwalks, rest rooms... As a Pilgrim planning to return to walk another Camino in the near future, I would be glad to give $5 to help support building & maintaining WCs along the routes when I purchase my passport. So, who would be in charge of the accumulated funds? Now, I know a number of people dislike the America. I get it, at times I'm even frustrated with the America. Even more so now but, in the States, we really do have some great ideas which turn into projects, then programs, volunteer programs, and non for profit organizations... to help support Parks, the many Trails...where millions of people around the world do visit!
For example, in the States, the Appalachian Trail, is the longest hiking-only footpath in the world, measuring roughly 2,190 miles (3524.463 kilometers) in length. The Trail travels through fourteen states, from south to north, and is served by all volunteers, by The Appalachian Trail Conservancy, which is composed of 31 Trail Maintaining Clubs, which are responsible for most of the day-to-day work of keeping the A.T. open. In addition to Trail maintenance, club volunteers in Trail Crews, build and repair shelters and other structures, monitor and protect the Trail corridor, monitor and manage rare plants and invasive species, develop management plans for their sections, and much more. The ATC is largely funded by its more than 42,000 members and over 600,000 supporters located throughout all 50 states and in more than 15 countries. It has an main office and an all-volunteer staff in Washington, D.C., which has managed the organization for its first four decades. With central offices in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia. They work in cooperation between ATC, A.T. Clubs, A.T. Communities and government agencies as well as among staff members, volunteers, and our key constituencies. "We respect each other and work openly together to achieve our common objectives and support our mission. Surprisingly, the ATC today has only a governing body of 15 volunteers, over 43,000 individual members, an annual budget of $9.36 million, a full-time staff of about 60 in six locations (along with more than a dozen part-time and seasonal employees), and total assets of about $17 million, including about 40 properties along the Trail." "Our mission is to is to preserve and manage the Appalachian Trail – ensuring that its vast natural beauty and priceless cultural heritage can be shared and enjoyed today, tomorrow, and for centuries to come."
Then there is a Continental Divide Trail Coalition, the CDT. "The Continental Divide Trail Coalition’s vision is to see that the 3,100-mile Continental Divide National Scenic Trail (CDT) is a renowned and revered natural resource for people to connect with friends and family, draw inspiration, and create outstanding personal experiences. We see the CDT as a world-class national resource that inspires pride, passion, respect, creativity, community and perseverance. The CDTC was founded in 2012 by volunteers and recreationists hoping to provide a unified voice for the Trail. Today, CDTC is a robust 501(c)3 organization that works hand-in-hand with the U.S. Forest Service and other federal land management agencies to build a strong community of supporters who want to see the CDT protected not just for today’s users, but for generations to come." https://continentaldividetrail.org/about-cdtc/
Then, there is The Pacific Crest Trail Association, "an eclectic band of trail junkies, who champion the needs of the Pacific Crest Trail. From across the country and the world, our team travels throughout the mountain ranges of the American West to support the much larger PCT community in protecting, preserving and promoting the trail. We’re committed to the idea that by supporting our members, volunteers, partners and donors, we’ll succeed in safeguarding this National Scenic Trail for the benefit of future generations. We are the Pacific Crest Trail!" They, groups of volunteers, band together to maintain the trail from Mexico to Canada." "The Pacific Crest Trail Association is singularly focused on keeping the PCT open for generations to come. We are headquartered in Sacramento, Calif., and our staff—which includes regional representatives in Washington, Oregon and California—works with thousands of volunteers and donors to protect, preserve and promote one of the best trail experiences on Earth. We are the eyes, ears and voice for the trail." https://www.pcta.org/our-work/
In other smaller National Parks, there are "Friends of the Smokies" for example, which is a non profit organization. They have a Board of Directors, a staff and volunteers, which supports the National Park Service’s mission of preserving the Great Smoky Mountains by raising funds and recruiting volunteers who help repair the trails. “Friends” are always soliciting contributions to help fund repair work on trails, wildlife research and protection, environmental educational services. https://friendsofthesmokies.org/the-park/
In regards to the ATC: Our Values: The Appalachian Trail Conservancy is guided by a set of staff core values that represent the organization’s commitment to preserve and manage the Appalachian Trail. We pursue our mission and vision by our dedication to: Cooperation: The A.T. could not exist without cooperation: cooperation between ATC, A.T. Clubs, A.T. Communities and government agencies as well as among staff members, volunteers, and our key constituencies. We respect each other and work openly together to achieve our common objectives and support our mission. Integrity: We conduct ourselves in accordance with the highest standards of professional and personal behavior and ethics. We are transparent, honest and ethical in all our interactions with each other as well as with our partners and all those we encounter in the broader A.T. community. Inclusion: ATC aspires to be a welcoming and diverse organization that attracts, retains, and values talented people from all backgrounds. We appreciate differences in one another as well as our similarities. We strive for this spirit of inclusivity to expand beyond our organization and especially to our government and volunteer partners. Dedication: ATC staff members are passionate in their service to the Trail. From the Executive Director to seasonal staff members, in the office or in the field, on the clock and off, we work hard to promote and preserve the A.T. experience we cherish. Empowerment: We empower our talented staff members to take the initiative to stimulate continuous improvement and positive change in all aspects of the organization." http://www.appalachiantrail.org/home/about-us/mission-vision-values
There could be a "Friends of the Camino de Santiago" or the "Camino de Santiago Conservancy" organization which could do the same as the Appalachian Trail Conservancy. You can go to the individual websites to see just how well they are organized, like a well oiled machines. They are wonderful guides on how to...and I am sure with phone calls or emails to the right individuals, they could help answer any questions you may have on how to get started with developing such an organization. Don't forget the "Trail Angels," people who live near the trail, who help hikers along the way in various ways. Again, just some suggestions. Afterall, this is the 21 century! Cooperation and organization are keys. In regards to the CDT: "We see the CDT as a world-class national resource that inspires pride, passion, respect, creativity, community and perseverance. While we are extremely proud of our accomplishments to date, we realize that there is much more to be done to fulfill our vision for the future. We want to protect the Trail’s wealth of natural and scenic resources, build a sense of community, promote public land stewardship, inspire healthy lifestyles, and above all, encourage people to know, use, and care for the CDT."
Again, just some suggestions... Buen Camino!
Thank you for your comments @davebugg I felt the same but it is far better that this response should be made by another American. Had a fellow Brit posted a similar argument I would have shared your embarrassment. Spain is not an uncivilised country. It has its own rules and customs. As guests we should modify our behaviour to fit rather than demand that the world is always remade in our own image (or indeed fantasy) wherever we go.As an American, I found the Americentrism of your post embarrassing for its stubborn insistence that the Caminos de Santiago would be far better off if they were to simply adopt America's public toileting ideals.
My fellow American - Thank you.I'm a guy who has been a backpacker for a lot of decades and who has thru-hiked both the PCT and the Colorado Trail. I have membership in two of the American organizations cited, and have even volunteered as a crew member for trail maintenance and re-building along the PCT. My third Camino was with my wife, on her first Camino - The Ingles - and was nearby when she took Nature Calls.
As an American, I found the Americentrism of your post embarrassing for its stubborn insistence that the Caminos de Santiago would be far better off if they were to simply adopt America's public toileting ideals. Ideals that do not even exist on American wilderness backpacking trails in the way you fantasize about.
As a guy, I took exception to this latest post for having gender differences blamed as a rationale for why your previous posts were criticized, rather than honestly examining the 'whys' that were given within that volume of criticism.
As a backpacker, I am miffed by your attempt to justify your screed about European Caminos, by attempting to use American Backpacking organizational models and guidelines in a self-serving manner. Not only is it policy to discourage toilets in the wilderness areas of the trails, but there are, by design, few public 'toilets' along any of the National Scenic Trails. Those few that do exist have no resemblance to the type of thing you are talking about. And that's aside of the fact that you completely ignore the fact that European outdoor conservation groups exist, and work with the specific issues of European culture and history and outdoor recreational needs.
While the American conservancy and outdoor groups you cite are great for America, and will share some common things with Europe's organizations, they are designed with a whole different sensibility with regard to the size of our wilderness lands, the nature of our wilderness lands, and the unique American expectations for our wilderness lands.
No matter how you have attempted to define your writings, the tone, whether intentional or not, comes across as 'America can save the Camino from toileting and non-conservation disaster'.
There are already Camino non-profits that exist and which have varying missions. Why you are not devoting your energy to work with them to implement your vision is a curiosity given your postings. IF you are serious, pick one of those existing organizations and work through them as an Umbrella agency to establish an organization devoted to YOUR cause. Doing this under a sponsoring Umbrella will make the red tape of establishing a legal non-profit much simpler.
Act as the coordinator, find some interested local stake-holders to act as your Board, and start recruiting volunteers and developing your program. When that is done, post on the Forum for a request for volunteers.
You define a problem, but have no practical and developed framework to provide a solution. You can post all of the brainstorming ideas you want, but so far it seems as if you are waiting for someone else to do the groundwork for you.
I use this method: it's easier and much quickerSo easy to use a panty liner during the walk so at least there's no need for tissue to dry yourself.
I am speaking about the newest route, the Portuguese Coastal Route
Management lectures and spill do not belong on this forum.Empowerment: We empower our talented staff members to take the initiative to stimulate continuous improvement and positive change in all aspects of the organization."
You need to know where to look. Anywhere you have a bus station or public transport there is a loo there.
In Portugal the big Lidle have for their customers.
As an American, I found the Americentrism of your post embarrassing for its stubborn insistence that the Caminos de Santiago would be far better off if they were to simply adopt America's public toileting ideals. Ideals that do not even exist on American wilderness backpacking trails in the way you fantasize about.
All your issues can be solved with a SheeWee. Try it.One final word please: There have been many responses, some quite insensitive to one's bodily needs along the Way. Let's face it--it's much easier to be a guy on the walk. All you do, which I have plainly see along the way, is turn your back and pee in a bush. At least you could be a bit more discreet and go behind a tree so people can't see you! For us women, it's not the easy! No one wants to make the Camino like Disneyland! I too was frustrated walking the last 100 kilometers with all the Camino tours. I'm not a person who just showed up at the 100 kilometer marker, stayed at 5 star hotels and has my pack shipped ahead of me. I walk with the intention of experiencing the true Camino as best as I can...in the 21 century. I'm not here to judge or to criticize other people, their resources, other countries, their culture... or the Way. I'm just trying to make a few constructive suggestions on how the walk could be protected the Way from human waste and waste litter with the millions and millions of people who walk it each year! Let's face it, people need to use the restroom/Water Closet during the walk. Now, I am speaking about the newest route, the Portuguese Coastal Route. In the 12 century, they probably didn't have millions and millions of people walking it each year on the various routes. Things are much different now in the 21 century, thus changes should be made, made to help protect the land and to address the necessary needs.
May I also suggest the following as a way to organize and fund the Way including the trail, the boardwalks, rest rooms... As a Pilgrim planning to return to walk another Camino in the near future, I would be glad to give $5 to help support building & maintaining WCs along the routes when I purchase my passport. So, who would be in charge of the accumulated funds? Now, I know a number of people dislike the America. I get it, at times I'm even frustrated with the America. Even more so now but, in the States, we really do have some great ideas which turn into projects, then programs, volunteer programs, and non for profit organizations... to help support Parks, the many Trails...where millions of people around the world do visit!
For example, in the States, the Appalachian Trail, is the longest hiking-only footpath in the world, measuring roughly 2,190 miles (3524.463 kilometers) in length. The Trail travels through fourteen states, from south to north, and is served by all volunteers, by The Appalachian Trail Conservancy, which is composed of 31 Trail Maintaining Clubs, which are responsible for most of the day-to-day work of keeping the A.T. open. In addition to Trail maintenance, club volunteers in Trail Crews, build and repair shelters and other structures, monitor and protect the Trail corridor, monitor and manage rare plants and invasive species, develop management plans for their sections, and much more. The ATC is largely funded by its more than 42,000 members and over 600,000 supporters located throughout all 50 states and in more than 15 countries. It has an main office and an all-volunteer staff in Washington, D.C., which has managed the organization for its first four decades. With central offices in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia. They work in cooperation between ATC, A.T. Clubs, A.T. Communities and government agencies as well as among staff members, volunteers, and our key constituencies. "We respect each other and work openly together to achieve our common objectives and support our mission. Surprisingly, the ATC today has only a governing body of 15 volunteers, over 43,000 individual members, an annual budget of $9.36 million, a full-time staff of about 60 in six locations (along with more than a dozen part-time and seasonal employees), and total assets of about $17 million, including about 40 properties along the Trail." "Our mission is to is to preserve and manage the Appalachian Trail – ensuring that its vast natural beauty and priceless cultural heritage can be shared and enjoyed today, tomorrow, and for centuries to come."
Then there is a Continental Divide Trail Coalition, the CDT. "The Continental Divide Trail Coalition’s vision is to see that the 3,100-mile Continental Divide National Scenic Trail (CDT) is a renowned and revered natural resource for people to connect with friends and family, draw inspiration, and create outstanding personal experiences. We see the CDT as a world-class national resource that inspires pride, passion, respect, creativity, community and perseverance. The CDTC was founded in 2012 by volunteers and recreationists hoping to provide a unified voice for the Trail. Today, CDTC is a robust 501(c)3 organization that works hand-in-hand with the U.S. Forest Service and other federal land management agencies to build a strong community of supporters who want to see the CDT protected not just for today’s users, but for generations to come." https://continentaldividetrail.org/about-cdtc/
Then, there is The Pacific Crest Trail Association, "an eclectic band of trail junkies, who champion the needs of the Pacific Crest Trail. From across the country and the world, our team travels throughout the mountain ranges of the American West to support the much larger PCT community in protecting, preserving and promoting the trail. We’re committed to the idea that by supporting our members, volunteers, partners and donors, we’ll succeed in safeguarding this National Scenic Trail for the benefit of future generations. We are the Pacific Crest Trail!" They, groups of volunteers, band together to maintain the trail from Mexico to Canada." "The Pacific Crest Trail Association is singularly focused on keeping the PCT open for generations to come. We are headquartered in Sacramento, Calif., and our staff—which includes regional representatives in Washington, Oregon and California—works with thousands of volunteers and donors to protect, preserve and promote one of the best trail experiences on Earth. We are the eyes, ears and voice for the trail." https://www.pcta.org/our-work/
In other smaller National Parks, there are "Friends of the Smokies" for example, which is a non profit organization. They have a Board of Directors, a staff and volunteers, which supports the National Park Service’s mission of preserving the Great Smoky Mountains by raising funds and recruiting volunteers who help repair the trails. “Friends” are always soliciting contributions to help fund repair work on trails, wildlife research and protection, environmental educational services. https://friendsofthesmokies.org/the-park/
In regards to the ATC: Our Values: The Appalachian Trail Conservancy is guided by a set of staff core values that represent the organization’s commitment to preserve and manage the Appalachian Trail. We pursue our mission and vision by our dedication to: Cooperation: The A.T. could not exist without cooperation: cooperation between ATC, A.T. Clubs, A.T. Communities and government agencies as well as among staff members, volunteers, and our key constituencies. We respect each other and work openly together to achieve our common objectives and support our mission. Integrity: We conduct ourselves in accordance with the highest standards of professional and personal behavior and ethics. We are transparent, honest and ethical in all our interactions with each other as well as with our partners and all those we encounter in the broader A.T. community. Inclusion: ATC aspires to be a welcoming and diverse organization that attracts, retains, and values talented people from all backgrounds. We appreciate differences in one another as well as our similarities. We strive for this spirit of inclusivity to expand beyond our organization and especially to our government and volunteer partners. Dedication: ATC staff members are passionate in their service to the Trail. From the Executive Director to seasonal staff members, in the office or in the field, on the clock and off, we work hard to promote and preserve the A.T. experience we cherish. Empowerment: We empower our talented staff members to take the initiative to stimulate continuous improvement and positive change in all aspects of the organization." http://www.appalachiantrail.org/home/about-us/mission-vision-values
There could be a "Friends of the Camino de Santiago" or the "Camino de Santiago Conservancy" organization which could do the same as the Appalachian Trail Conservancy. You can go to the individual websites to see just how well they are organized, like a well oiled machines. They are wonderful guides on how to...and I am sure with phone calls or emails to the right individuals, they could help answer any questions you may have on how to get started with developing such an organization. Don't forget the "Trail Angels," people who live near the trail, who help hikers along the way in various ways. Again, just some suggestions. Afterall, this is the 21 century! Cooperation and organization are keys. In regards to the CDT: "We see the CDT as a world-class national resource that inspires pride, passion, respect, creativity, community and perseverance. While we are extremely proud of our accomplishments to date, we realize that there is much more to be done to fulfill our vision for the future. We want to protect the Trail’s wealth of natural and scenic resources, build a sense of community, promote public land stewardship, inspire healthy lifestyles, and above all, encourage people to know, use, and care for the CDT."
Again, just some suggestions... Buen Camino!
I bought one and practised using it in the shower at home....great success until I put clothes onAll your issues can be solved with a SheeWee. Try it.
You define a problem, but have no practical and developed framework to provide a solution. You can post all of the brainstorming ideas you want, but so far it seems as if you are waiting for someone else to do the groundwork for you.
Thanks tincatinker!! I think the fun in this thread stopped looong ago!!Play nicely Pilgrims. We are all only here for the fun of it. Remember that very sound advice: "Stop when the fun stops".
Only works with the extension!I bought one and practised using it in the shower at home....great success until I put clothes onLeft it at home!
Dunno if this was a fun thread to begin with.Thanks tincatinker!! I think the fun in this thread stopped looong ago!!
"Bushes rule"!!! What a precise expression. Yes, for sure they do. According to my experience it is possible to find shelter for necessary pursuits even for a "decent" woman, and even to get it done without annoying others.I wonder. You can find free toilets at every busstation and trainstation in Spain and sometimes also on beaches. That is a lot more than in the country where I come from. Apart from that, it seems much more normal to walk into a bar as a woman and ask to use the restrooms (however not on a busy Camino probably).
But yes, in nature bushes rule. Pee is good for soil fertility as well. I heard about permies who pee in their own vegetable garden for that reason.
Hi Debbie,Hello Fellow Pilgrims, I'm sure this subject has been talked about a number of times in the past and suggestions have been passed along to those responsible for maintaining the routes. I just finished my first Camino walking up the Coastal Portugal Route and to Finisterre & Muxia. With the many thousands of Pilgrims who walk the routes throughout the year, year after year, respectfully, I just don't understand why there are No Public WCs along the Way. Yes, I know you can stop and use the restrooms at a cafe/bar/restaurant but, there were days where you didn't see a cafe/bar for many miles, perhaps most of the day. There were also times I needed to make a quick stop due to the coffee kicking in but I wasn't interested in eating anything since just had breakfast or lunch. Also, when I walked in May, some of the cafes/bars/restaurants were still closed along the beach. Hey, I am blessed with a strong bladder but some Pilgrims aren't and it would be rude to assume they can hold or if they can't, expect them to go behind a tree, bush or rock in the Rural Areas of a city/town!?! This isn't the Appalachian Trail where you are in the backcountry, days away from the nearest town! There was a thread where someone suggested "training your bladder" before you walk your Camino. Yes, one can but what if a Pilgrim got sick with a stomach bug (a friend I know) or ate some food that disagreed with your digestive system? I did overhear of a Pilgrim who becoming very sick from a meal and had to walk all day before he could "change." I'm sure it happens to quite a few.
At most beaches I walked past, where locals & visitors swim and lay on the beach, I saw only outside showers for people to wash the sand off but no public restrooms, toilets, WCs or changing rooms! What do local people do who spend the day at the beach and have to go to the restroom outside of having to go to a restaurant/bar/cafe? I couldn't even find WCs in or around the Churches I passed, which for the most part sadly were all locked. How I wanted to visit, rest in some shade, in a quiet place, say a prayer, and even get a stamp but they're locked. I understand their theft & vandalism concerns. I once helped maintain a Church years ago. Someone even stole our red carpet on the Altar! I know many people are concerned about finding used toilet paper and waste along the routes. I am too. I saw too much of it myself! It seems to me that the only logical answer would be to build small WCs along the routes so people don't have to find a bush, a tree, a rock. Believe me, on the Coastal Portuguese route, I would walk a whole day before I saw a place to go like on the hike after Vigo! You are up on a ridge in the forest all day! I did find a rock but I shouldn't have too! There were many people walking, biking...the well-known, well used path! Hey, how about a seated Rest Area & a WC! I saw a few places one could be built! On other places along the Camino, I did come across just a few shaded rest areas for Pilgrims but no WCs! There was certainly room for one! When I was in Fatima, walking the Via Dolorosa in the woods, they had a real small public WC for Men & Women. In the States, we have Rest Areas & Public Restrooms at beaches, parks, in towns... along with water fountains. Let's face it. People need Restrooms/WCs! A WC wouldn't take up much space along the routes and it wouldn't be hard or expensive to build!
As a Pilgrim planning to return to walk another Camino in the near future, I would be glad to give $5 to help support building & maintaining WCs along the routes when I purchase my passport. In the States, the Appalachian Trail, is the longest hiking-only footpath in the world, measuring roughly 2,190 miles in length. The Trail travels through fourteen states and is served by all volunteers, Appalachian Trail Conservancy, composed of 31 Trail Maintaining Clubs, which are responsible for most of the day-to-day work of keeping the A.T. open. In addition to Trail maintenance, club volunteers in Trail Crews, build and repair shelters and other structures, monitor and protect the Trail corridor, monitor and manage rare plants and invasive species, develop management plans for their sections, and much, much more. The ATC is largely funded by its more than 42,000 members and over 600,000 supporters located throughout all 50 states and in more than 15 countries. It has an main office and an all volunteer staff. An all-volunteer staff in Washington, D.C., managed the organization for its first four decades. With central offices in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia. They work in cooperation between ATC, A.T. Clubs, A.T. Communities and government agencies as well as among staff members, volunteers, and our key constituencies. We respect each other and work openly together to achieve our common objectives and support our mission. Surprisingly, the ATC today has only a governing body of 15 volunteers, over 43,000 individual members, an annual budget of $9.36 million, a full-time staff of about 60 in six locations (along with more than a dozen part-time and seasonal employees), and total assets of about $17 million, including about 40 properties along the Trail. "Our mission is to is to preserve and manage the Appalachian Trail – ensuring that its vast natural beauty and priceless cultural heritage can be shared and enjoyed today, tomorrow, and for centuries to come."
In other National Parks, there are "Friends of the Smokies" for example, which is a non profit organization. They have a Board of Directors, a staff and volunteers, which supports the National Park Service’s mission of preserving the Great Smoky Mountains by raising funds and recruiting volunteers who help repair the trails. “Friends” are always soliciting contributions to help fund repair work on trails, wildlife research and protection, environmental educational services. There could be a "Friends of the Camino de Santiago" or the "Camino de Santiago Conservancy" organization which could do the same as the Appalachian Trail Conservancy.
To be honest, I don't even know why, in the 21st Century, closing in on 2020, we need to talk about this and ask, beg... cities, towns, beaches, parks ...to build WCs along the routes to help support Pilgrims and to keep the environment clean from human waste & soiled toilet paper!!! It's just plain common sense! What if the Church supporting Pilgrimage Routes with some funds to help build a few WCs to help support the basic needs of their Pilgrims? I know that would probably be impossible. OK, how about GoFundMe accounts for Camino Route WCs? Something needs and should be done beyond talking about it! Respectfully, just a few thoughts to a problem we all can agree on but the resolution isn't a tough one! Can someone on the route governing boards help out on this and try to make it happen? Thanks much. Buen Camino to all!
Don't hold your breath, Michael.Hope they have some wc's by the time I go in '22.
Coffee will be a euro to 1.50 , free biscuit i hope , it's with the price for the rest room .Hi Debbie,
Amen to what you wrote.
Thank you for the heads up.
At 70 plus I sometimes have the jitters with coffee and I'm concerned onout the emergency toilet issue.
Hope they have some wc's by the time I go in '22.
Mike.
Coffee will be a euro to 1.50 , free biscuit i hope , it's with the price for the rest room .
Fill your water bottle from the wash room basin , no problems there.
And don't take all the paper like all the early departures do in the albergue's.
Have a great walk in 22 and relax , it will not be a hindrance in any way.
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