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Even they made the mistake of putting the apostrophe in "O Cebreiro". Why acknowledge the Parador in Santiago twice (Parador Hostal dos Reis Católicos ... Parador Hostal de los Reyes Católicos)?After Muxia, they apparently filmed for three days in Madrid and for one day in Marrakesh, according to La Voz de Galicia. And below are the credits with the thank yous for Galicia. It doesn't mean that there are scenes in the movie from all these places but may we safely assume that all the scenes filmed in Galicia were filmed in one of the places referenced below?
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Thanks, Kathar1na!Toronto International Film Festival
I had a look at those villages as well as I could on Streetview a long time ago after somebody made a similar suggestion, and I came to the same conclusion, i.e. that the church where Joost rings the bell is not in any of them. But it's good that you have done this independently.Well, I've searched in vain in the following three communities, which are listed in the credits above:
Ames - 13 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-ames-2337ep_2ay.html)
Dumbria - 7 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-dumbria-2337ep_35ay.html)
Mazaricos - 12 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-mazaricos-2337ep_46ay.html)
I believe I found images (or google street view) for all of the churches above and was able to eliminate them for one reason or another. (Very few are rendered, for a start).
I think the best bet may be to wait for conditions in Spain to settle and then send a screenshot and a polite request to the town halls in that region to see if anyone would identify the church. (Or better still, visit and ask in person)
Not now, though. They've got more urgent work to do.
Time to check the adjacent communities, then. The style makes me feel that it's probably an 18th or 19th century church to the west of Santiago.I had a look at those villages as well as I could on Streetview a long time ago after somebody made a similar suggestion, and I came to the same conclusion, i.e. that the church where Joost rings the bell is not in any of them. But it's good that you have done this independently.
I read that when Martin Sheen first visited the cemetery in his family village Salceda de Caselas he cried. Maybe what was important for him here is the cemetery not the church because he likes Galician cemeteries.Time to check the adjacent communities, then. The style makes me feel that it's probably an 18th or 19th century church to the west of Santiago.
Yep, that's correct. @Bert45's church and cemetery is not in any of the many parishes of Ames, Dumbria, or Mazaricos.Well, I've searched in vain in the following three communities, which are listed in the credits above:
Ames - 13 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-ames-2337ep_2ay.html)
Dumbria - 7 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-dumbria-2337ep_35ay.html)
Mazaricos - 12 churches (https://www.paxinasgalegas.es/parroquias-catolicas-iglesias-mazaricos-2337ep_46ay.html)
I have no doubts at all that all the clues for finding it are in this thread and that one or the other participant will reveal the location before the lockdown is over.I think the best bet may be to wait for conditions in Spain to settle and then send a screenshot and a polite request to the town halls in that region to see if anyone would identify the church.
Hints.Do you want hints? Or shall I spill the beans?
You can PM me the beans, but give everyone else hints, cuz I've put in the most detective work.
And I was beginning to worry the answer wouldn't be figured out before all the self isolation was lifted and all "our" hard work would be in vain.I just want to know how you knew I wasn't doing anything??
I've been wandering the highways and byways all over the place looking at churches and or cemeteries anywhere along either side of the man route. Trouble is not all of the tagged churches have photos and not all of them are on GoogleStreetView routes . . . This calls for a field study!The next scene is the village of O’Cebreiro, so the odds are it won’t be far away, but no guarantees that it will actually be on the Camino...
Shame it's not PC49, he'd have sorted it out in no time (lame joke about a fiction British "Bobby" known to us of a "certain age")I love sidetracks! You can end up in interesting places!
It looks quite clear on my PC (47 cm diagonal) at 1:59:19 (Thomas) and at 1:59:53 (Daniel): CAPITULUM hujus ... notum facit ... et confero. Datum Compostellae die ...
The (not very) 'hairy hand' is Martin Sheen's (or a hand model's, I suppose), well over to the right of the screen.
The first is the name in Gallego, the second is its name in Castillano - keeping both factions happy?.Even they made the mistake of putting the apostrophe in "O Cebreiro". Why acknowledge the Parador in Santiago twice (Parador Hostal dos Reis Católicos ... Parador Hostal de los Reyes Católicos)?
When I looked at that site that lists all the churches in Galicia, and looked at Ames, Dumbria and Mazaricos, there were so many churches that were without a photo, I could not say that it definitely was not there. I had used Streetview to look at one church in each above-named village, rather than all the churches in the administrative area. (I have seen that you have found the church.)Time to check the adjacent communities, then. The style makes me feel that it's probably an 18th or 19th century church to the west of Santiago.
I beg your pardon?You can PM me the beans, but give everyone else hints, cuz I've put in the most detective work.
I managed to post pictures on my original list of locations, which I have just re-posted with Santa Maria de Figueiras added, but I can't remember how I did it. It is easier (for me) to refer you to the Youtube presentation of the film [What hut? Didn’t they camp out on a porch?
Pictures please. I don’t have the film
I own the movie. I forwarded it to the time you stated and this is the church at that minute in the film. With that said, and in watching the movie last night, i realized the error. The church you describe is at is at 1:42 in the Kindle version.Walking Lover wrote: Santuario da Virxe da Barca.
Have you been paying attention?It's nothing like the Santuario da Virxe da Barca, a photo of which which you kindly attached to your post. The Santuario da Virxe da Barca is huge and it is not surrounded by a cemetery. The church I am (we are) trying to find is at 1:48:09 to 1:48:29 in the Youtube version of the film. The Santuario da Virxe da Barca is at 2:01:24 to 2:01:32 and again, briefly, at 2:02:38/40. Joost does not ring a bell at the Santuario da Virxe da Barca.
So what do we do for the rest of the week?
I think we will be more productive if each one of us gave @Kathar1na a challenge. And then each of us another one after two days after she answers all 23,000 of the first set.I think we tell @Kathar1na that she has to come up with another challenge that will give forum members another productive way to spend their idle hours.
On the whole, it seems the scenes of the movie were filmed in the sequence that they appear in the plot, although some "filler scenes," seem to have been thrown in out of sequence when the film was edited - e.g. Joost ringing that bell.Now, there's just that hut where they spent the night, and the rest area (área de descanso) where Joost hugs Tom at 1:37:44 to 1:37:56 to find.
Or we write a screenplay featuring @Kathar1na as a super sleuth solving crimes along the Way . . .I think we tell @Kathar1na that she has to come up with another challenge that will give forum members another productive way to spend their idle hours.
I am a pensioner ☺. But, and that's probably what you are curious about, from distant memories of a very very long time ago, I can say that I once had a closer relationship with one of the hard sciences. I would go as far as to say that there is only one hard scienceSciences? (If you don't mind me asking?)
Yes, that doesn't surprise me. It's hard to retire an analytical mind!I am a pensioner ☺. But, and that's probably what you are curious about, from distant memories of a very very long time ago, I can say that I once had a closer relationship with one of the hard sciences. I would go as far as to say that there is only one hard science. In those long ago times I occasionally enjoyed Martin Gardener's puzzles. Using ALL the clues to solve a puzzle, including the ones from outside the story's frame, is a good skill to develop. ☺
Exsqueeze me, Jeff, but it was Raggy who solved the puzzle. Kathar1na made some useful suggestions, and told me what TIFF meant, but not a lot more. And it was I who set the puzzle (not Kathar1na). My physics teacher reckoned that physics was the 'best' science. He thought that mathematics was useless unless it was applied to physics, and chemistry is simply applied physics. Biology is simply the hobby of collecting things.Or we write a screenplay featuring @Kathar1na as a super sleuth solving crimes along the Way . . .
As an aside, Katharina, what is your role in life when you're not cracking Camino puzzles? I'm guessing something highly cerebral? Research? Sciences? (If you don't mind me asking?)
Some of it resurfaces in my mind now, and I've just learnt that I am not the only one.Martin Gardener is a name I associated with magic - did not know of his many, many other facets - and I came upon him again only last summer at a seminar on illusion, psychology and deception and its place in the modern world.
Point taken! So in the screenplay scenarioExsqueeze me, Jeff, but it was Raggy who solved the puzzle. Kathar1na made some useful suggestions, and told me what TIFF meant, but not a lot more. And it was I who set the puzzle (not Kathar1na). My physics teacher reckoned that physics was the 'best' science. He thought that mathematics was useless unless it was applied to physics, and chemistry is simply applied physics. Biology is simply the hobby of collecting things.
I read about the Monkey and the Coconuts this afternoon. I'll stick to cryptic crosswords.Some of it resurfaces in my mind now, and I've just learnt that I am not the only one.
The problem of The Monkey and the Coconuts which nearly broke me, and the other one, though that wasn't Gardener I think, the one with the three doors during a TV game show, a probability problem, which I didn't solve on my own beforehand but at least I managed to understand the solution and the steps leading to it.
It's really the synergy of many that led to the answer. I had been looking for this wretched church (pardon my languageIt’s like my genealogy sleuthing – someone somewhere has the answer to getting over that brick wall.
This is why I asked whether someone who owns the DVD with the comments about individual scenes would be so kind to post a transcript of what is said about this scene. There may be a minute clue in it that could help with the search. Unless guesswork has already solved the conundrum? If so, it would be useful if an actual photo or other image of the church in question is posted here. I did not check up on any of the suggestions made so far.
After Muxia, they apparently filmed for three days in Madrid and for one day in Marrakesh, according to La Voz de Galicia. And below are the credits with the thank yous for Galicia. It doesn't mean that there are scenes in the movie from all these places but may we safely assume that all the scenes filmed in Galicia were filmed in one of the places referenced below?
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But which church were they talking about? What scene were they talking about? They might have been talking about La Virxe de la Barca at Muxía, if that was the last scene filmed. That church is certainly more impressive than the small church at Figueiras, I don't know about 'beautiful'. The church at Figueiras is very much like many others from the outside, nothing especially beautiful about it. They could have been referring to the church in its setting – the cemetery with all the flowers. However, it seems they they were talking about the church at Figueiras, which they must have filmed on the way back to Santiago from Muxía. That's why we (Kathar1na and I) wanted a transcript of that part of the interview. But it's not necessary now, of course. The village that comes after that scene has been edited in is O Cebreiro [El Cebrero in Spanish]. It seems that Brierley may be responsible for popularising the apostrophe. It's wrong in the credits too. It's a pet peeve of mine.I played the Extra Commentary a day or so ago and the transcript does not provide any more information other than it was the last scene filmed. Martin makes a comment that it was a beautiful church - which then leads into the others saying that it was the last scene filmed.
If you have access to the film you will see that this "last scene" is then edited in immediately before they reach O'Cebreiro and the commentary then of course moves on to the filming of this scene. So no real help. Cheers
But which church were they talking about? What scene were they talking about? They might have been talking about La Virxe de la Barca at Muxía, if that was the last scene filmed. That church is certainly more impressive than the small church at Figueiras, I don't know about 'beautiful'. The church at Figueiras is very much like many others from the outside, nothing especially beautiful about it. They could have been referring to the church in its setting – the cemetery with all the flowers. However, it seems they they were talking about the church at Figueiras, which they must have filmed on the way back to Santiago from Muxía. That's why we (Kathar1na and I) wanted a transcript of that part of the interview. But it's not necessary now, of course. The village that comes after that scene has been edited in is O Cebreiro [El Cebrero in Spanish]. It seems that Brierley may be responsible for popularising the apostrophe. It's wrong in the credits too. It's a pet peeve of mine.
Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.A thank you is given to the Community de Madrid Club de Golf "La Herreria". It is possible that the golf course scene was filmed there, I don't know.
I don't know but in this case I'll make a guess. For advice on how to portray a president on The West Wing.Does any one know why (former) US President Bill Clinton gets a thank you given that by the time of filming he was out of office 8 years.
I've read somewhere else that the golf course is 80 km from Madrid, but it's not; it's 49 km from Plaza Mayor, Madrid. I suppose, to an American, 49 km from Madrid counts as still in Madrid. Although Estevez says in one interview that they shot the film in sequence, we know very well that they didn't. A lot of it they did, but some of it – like the church at Figueiras – they didn't. Some scenes might have been edited into the wrong sequence – like Orisson. A great piece of picture research, Kathar1na! I wondered if anyone could have identified the species of trees at the golf course and been able to say they don't grow in California.Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.
I had, of course, assumed that they played golf in California. But no, they played golf in Madrid in what is apparently the most beautiful golf course of all of Spain:
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Is the thank you to Bill Clinton in the credits of the movie or in the commentary that you have on your DVD? Google says that Bill Clinton and Martin Sheen are friends and that Clinton was the keynote speaker at a premiere/prerelease screening in New York. Which was for the benefit of a charity called Walkabout Foundation. They provide wheelchairs to paralyzed people around the world who cannot afford them. My guess is that Clinton helped with the promotion which was important for Sheen/Estevez as they did the distribution/promotion on their own at first.Does any one know why (former) US President Bill Clinton gets a thank you given that by the time of filming he was out of office 8 years.
Yes, I think that the hill behind is La Machota alta (S,SW). There is a rebollo (Quercus Pyrinaica) on a photo (right) very common in the area.Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.
I had, of course, assumed that they played golf in California. But no, they played golf in Madrid in what is apparently the most beautiful golf course of all of Spain:
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Well spotted, @mark connolly! They really fooled me there ☺.
I had, of course, assumed that they played golf in California. But no, they played golf in Madrid in what is apparently the most beautiful golf course of all of Spain:
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It's hard to go by the context of the film, as it's not completely in order. He arrives in Roncesvalles on the first night and is sitting outside of Orisson like, 3 days later. And they are walking in the wrong direction in O'Cebreiro and on the road past Religios. That church actually looks like one that we saw 1 day out of Santiago on the Portuguese route.From the context of the movie, it looks like it's between Cruz de Ferro and O'Cebreiro - although there are some scenes filmed out of sequence. I remember walking through a few cemetery / chapels like this along the way. I'm not sure if they were parish churches though.
The church has been identified, as has the golf course, just see further up in the thread. I am going to pull out the shelter question and make it a separate thread to avoid confusion.It's hard to go by the context of the film, as it's not completely in order. He arrives in Roncesvalles on the first night and is sitting outside of Orisson like, 3 days later. And they are walking in the wrong direction in O Cebreiro and on the road past Religios. That church actually looks like one that we saw 1 day out of Santiago on the Portuguese route.
The church was found at post #115, Tuesday! Four days ago. For the rest, and more, check out my other thread Locations used in "The Way".It's hard to go by the context of the film, as it's not completely in order. He arrives in Roncesvalles on the first night and is sitting outside of Orisson like, 3 days later. And they are walking in the wrong direction in O'Cebreiro and on the road past Religios. That church actually looks like one that we saw 1 day out of Santiago on the Portuguese route.
Why didn't you tell us a week ago, and save us (me) a lot of grief?I know where it is. Until recently, it was in my own backyard!
Holy Moly! Please read this page from the start.Warning Bert, this is a vague post with nebulous specifics.
I recall a cemetery on the way to Finisterre. It was run down and the flowers were dry, wilting and sad looking. I can see it in my mind's eye. It was a stage of the Camino where I was desperate for water and spied a tap in the Cemetary. I had to jump a gate to get in, which I did. It was not as fancy as this one in the movie, however...but there are similarities. It was in a leafy part of the Camino, on a corner before you made a left turn down a long street...that passed a white house ...and then more forest track to a village... I am not recalling. Maybe the building is not a church at all but a mausoleum. And maybe John Brieley would know
Is the thank you to Bill Clinton in the credits of the movie or in the commentary that you have on your DVD? Google says that Bill Clinton and Martin Sheen are friends and that Clinton was the keynote speaker at a premiere/prerelease screening in New York. Which was for the benefit of a charity called Walkabout Foundation. They provide wheelchairs to paralyzed people around the world who cannot afford them. My guess is that Clinton helped with the promotion which was important for Sheen/Estevez as they did the distribution/promotion on their own at first.
See for example: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/bill-clinton-attends-premiere-way-245255
If you watch Efren Gonzales Vlog on Camino Portugese, there is a very similar church on the way to Finisterre. Like you, I didnt remember that on my CF but was surprised to see it on the youtube clip.If you're not too busy, I'd like to ask you to take a look at the church where Joost rings the bell near the end of the film "The Way". It is the last location I would like to identify, having identified all the others that I want to identify. If you know where it is, please put me out of my misery and tell me. It's at 1:48:09 to 1:48:29 in the copy of the film on Youtube:[There are no subtitles in Spanish or any other language.] I have tried contacting the Spanish location director -- no luck. I have a copy of the script and list of locations, but both were prepared before the film was made, and this scene is not mentioned in either. Surely somebody knows where it is?
@taigirl, perhaps you mean this church (see below) on Efren's Camino de Fisterra Vlog 02?If you watch Efren Gonzales Vlog on Camino Portugese, there is a very similar church on the way to Finisterre. Like you, I didnt remember that on my CF but was surprised to see it on the youtube clip.
@taigirl, perhaps you mean this church (see below) on Efren's Camino de Fisterra Vlog 02?
You made an astute observation: churches, and cemeteries for that matter, look amazingly similar in a given area. When you walk for thousands of miles through Europe, or for hundreds of miles through Spain for that matter, you can nicely observe the gradual change from churches with square bell towers to churches with bell gables, from cemeteries with earth graves densely planted with bright seasonal flowers to stone cemeteries with niche graves.
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On the Invierno, there were a few very touching examples of this. Obviously old, where the precinct was so small that the entire pavement was graves.And cemeteries with the church (parish) inside. This only happens in Galicia in cemeteries owned by the Church.
I have never seen anything like that. This must be a very old cemetery.On the Invierno, there were a few very touching examples of this. Obviously old, where the precinct was so small that the entire pavement was graves.
It seemed so. Here's the wider view.I have never seen anything like that. This must be a very old cemetery.
Iglesia de San Xulián de Pedroso -
La iglesia parroquial de San Xulián es románica, muy transformada, si bien el conservado de la fábrica permitiría datarla en el año 1200. En ella destaca una virgen gótica de madera, datable de finales del siglo XIII, que evoca la imaginería de los tímpanos compostelanos
"A Eirexe" and "A Igrexa" mean the same: The Church in Galego. There are 821 villages/hamlets in Galicia called either Igrexa or Eirexe.It seemed so. Here's the wider view.
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Osmand reminds me this is is Parroquia San Xiao de Pedroso in A Eirexe, and looking it up, I found this:
Unfortunately I didn't see the post, twas doing other stuff. BUT..Why didn't you tell us a week ago, and save us (me) a lot of grief?
Excellent! That is fun trivia. What a coincidence! Or, should I say, along with Emilio (see Post #171), that it happened for a reason?Unfortunately I didn't see the post, twas doing other stuff. BUT..
Here is some fun trivia for you. Just down the road from the church is the print shop that prints the Wise Pilgrim books and maps, AND the Pilgrim Credentials AND the Compostela Certificates. They also do the tubes to protect the Compostelas.
Bill Clinton is not in the credits of the version on Youtube and he's not mentioned in the credits of my 123 minutes DVD, which also omits all the thanks to the various autonomous regions of Spain, to their individual ayuntamientos and to the various hotels they stayed at. Which DVD do you have, Mike?
@Saint Mike II, that DVD seems to be a real treasure trove ☺ .I have the original DVD (as I say above from 6 or so years back). Pres Clinton is in that group of many many people who thanked for their assistancd.
@Saint Mike II, that DVD seems to be a real treasure trove ☺ .
I wondered in another thread (click here) whether they say something about the "shelter" location in the comments on the DVD to which most of us don't have access. I'd be curious to know.
The "shelter" location is the place where they "camp out" and talk about a "true pilgrim experience". They have a campfire in the evening and in the morning there is a misunderstanding between Tom and Sarah with a violent reaction on her side. It's about 1 hour into the movie. Do they say anything about the location on your DVD?
Now we're are talkingI have been doing some research into that location. In the extra commentary it gets referred to as both a "dis-used" church and then later a church that gets used once per month. About 2,7 km on from Torres del Rio there is a church that I have visited twice (in 2015 when there was a coffee van) and again in 2017 just to check it out to see if it fits the scenes from the film. But I was never able to reconcile the features - especially the "porch" where they all sleep, although they do mention how one of the crew takes a wrench and removes guard rail so they could shoot the scene and that church does have a guard rail. But the scene after that where they follow a green tractor is in the general area.
You guys are amazingHint 4 - I'll post the answer when I wake up if you haven't Figueired it out by then.
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Has anyone tried to contact Emilio about his? He might answer this question that our quarantine selves need to knowIf you're not too busy, I'd like to ask you to take a look at the church where Joost rings the bell near the end of the film "The Way". It is the last location I would like to identify, having identified all the others that I want to identify. If you know where it is, please put me out of my misery and tell me. It's at 1:48:09 to 1:48:29 in the copy of the film on Youtube:[There are no subtitles in Spanish or any other language.] I have tried contacting the Spanish location director -- no luck. I have a copy of the script and list of locations, but both were prepared before the film was made, and this scene is not mentioned in either. Surely somebody knows where it is?
@Raggy got it. See post 109 through post 118.Has anyone tried to contact Emilio about his? He might answer this question that our quarantine selves need to know
Rick got there before me, Carolyn. You obviously have not read the first 118 posts on this thread, apart from the first one. Have you ever tried to contact a famous movie star/film director? It's not easy. They don't broadcast their email addresses from the rooftops. Also, if the location manager can't remember where it was, I don't think that there is much chance that Mr Estevez will remember, even if he ever knew the name of the church. It's over 10 years ago that they made the movie. I tried to contact Yorick van Wageningen, and Emilio Estevez through their agents ages ago. No reply.Has anyone tried to contact Emilio about his? He might answer this question that our quarantine selves need to know
Sorry, waterdog, you are jumping in at the wrong place. The church was found a lifetime ago (seems like). There is no such place as O'Cebreiro – it's O Cebreiro. Check posts #109 to 118.Not sure if I am jumping into the thread at the right place after scrolling so many pages, but the beginning of this scene is almost certainly O'Cebreiro. The building directly behind them is the restaurant that is run by the same lady that manages the convent (now a hotel). To the right of that building is St. Mary's 0 a small chapel originally built in the early 900 and the burial site of the priest who started the whole "flecha" thing to help pilgrims. The cemetery looks very familiar but I can't recall exactly where it is - there are so many that are like that.
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