- Time of past OR future Camino
- Frances 15,16,18
VdlP 23, Invierno 23, Fisterra 23
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Thanks, will take a look at thoseWas to say Mosel Camino, but then i remembered i heard that it is lots of hills. I might remember wrong.
I was told that the Camino from Munich to Lindau is very beautiful.
Also the "Ă–kumenischer Pilgerweg" (Via Regia) has been praised to me various times. It's 470km, so more than 2 weeks, but you can shorten it.
Also the Primitivo might be an option, but i guess that might be to much for "slow and steady" in 2 weeks?
Sounds great. Pity there isn't a Gronze style website for those routes.The Mosel Camino is absolutely wonderful and might double-up as something else to do / see in Europe. You are walking through vineyards, charming traditional villages and there's ample chance to get your culture fix in too (Trier -> Porta Romana, Holy Robe in the Cathedral, birthplace of Karl Marx...).
Accommodation along the route tends to be expensive (in terms of pilgrim standards) but very nice. Food ix excellent and there's obviously great wine to be had. 20km a day is no problem, you'll find accommodation options in all villages along the Mosel. Depending on when you are walking they do sell out fast - so pre-booking will be a must in high season.
There are several great options for side-trips:
- Eltz Castle -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eltz_Castle
- Germanys longest suspension bridge -> https://geierlay.de/
- Bernkastel (lots of wine fests) -> https://en.bernkastel.de/
- a small (but spectacular) via feratta contouring Europe's steepest vineyard -> https://mosel-zweinull.de/calmont-klettersteig/
I haven't walked the whole way but the sections that I've seen are fantastic. There are some up and downs but nothing crazy. Plus - at least during high season - there will be small hats in the middle of the vineyards selling wine by the glass.
I note you have left out Muxia you probably have already done , I have the same feeling about the Portuguese don't no why? .Hi Folks.
I'm bouncing around ideas for 'our' next Camino.
This time Pat my wife will be joining me.
Yes, the 'Princess' has agreed to a short joint Camino,
as long as we spend time in Europe doing other things as well!
I mean to say, what else is even worth doing, but there it is.
I'm considering a couple of routes, but the considerable experience and brain power of this community, will I suspect, throw up some ideas I hadn't considered.
So here are some criteria that I need to consider.
I'll prompt the ideas, with those I was considering.
- No need to end in Santiago.
- Not looking at Portugal. (Just doesn't appeal, sorry)
- France or Spain preferably. or Germany. (speak a little bit of each)
- Max 20 kms days.
- Prefer a route with some accomodation / eating options (Pat is not into Albergues and DIY meals)
- Not too busy. Don't mind seeing no other Pilgrims.
- Not sections of the Frances. She's done that twice already.
- Invierno is 'probably' out sadly, not sure she'd cope well with the hills.
- No need for intermediate stops like 2nd breakfast, but a bonus if there is.
The start of Le Puy. From Le Puy for 10 days or so. (Route and facilities look good)
Camino Madrid, maybe starting at Segovia. (Only just starting to look at route and facilities though)
The Moselle Camino in Germany? Only just found that. Wine country!
Any thoughts most appreciated.
I have not tried the app but might be worth a look: https://en.visitmosel.de/hikingSounds great. Pity there isn't a Gronze style website for those routes.
Though I did find this https://camino-europe.eu/en/eu/deutschland-en-US/
Hello,Hi Folks.
I'm bouncing around ideas for 'our' next Camino.
This time Pat my wife will be joining me.
Yes, the 'Princess' has agreed to a short joint Camino,
as long as we spend time in Europe doing other things as well!
I mean to say, what else is even worth doing, but there it is.
I'm considering a couple of routes, but the considerable experience and brain power of this community, will I suspect, throw up some ideas I hadn't considered.
So here are some criteria that I need to consider.
I'll prompt the ideas, with those I was considering.
- No need to end in Santiago.
- Not looking at Portugal. (Just doesn't appeal, sorry)
- France or Spain preferably. or Germany. (speak a little bit of each)
- Max 20 kms days.
- Prefer a route with some accomodation / eating options (Pat is not into Albergues and DIY meals)
- Not too busy. Don't mind seeing no other Pilgrims.
- Not sections of the Frances. She's done that twice already.
- Invierno is 'probably' out sadly, not sure she'd cope well with the hills.
- No need for intermediate stops like 2nd breakfast, but a bonus if there is.
The start of Le Puy. From Le Puy for 10 days or so. (Route and facilities look good)
Camino Madrid, maybe starting at Segovia. (Only just starting to look at route and facilities though)
The Moselle Camino in Germany? Only just found that. Wine country!
Any thoughts most appreciated.
Hmm. Nice option. thanks. I'll look at that?How about Somport to Puente la Reina (or Pamplona) on the Aragones with a little side trip to the old and new monasteries at San Juan de la Pena (you can stay two nights at Santa Cilia to allow for this)???
Somport to Canfranc (special albergue - if this is such a quiet route, could your princess consider an albergue?) 11.8km
Canfranc to Jaca (beautiful town) 20.2km
Jaca to Santa Cilia 15.2km
Santa Cilia to La Pena 11.4km one way - need to return - use taxi?
Santa Cilia to Arres (another special albergue) 10.2 km
Arres to Artieda 18.2km
Artieda to Ruesta 10.2km
Ruesta to Undues de Lerda 11.4km
Undues de Lerda to Sanguesa 10.6km
Sanguesa to Lumbier 12.9km
Lumbier to Abinzano 15km
Abinzano to Tiebas 19.8km
Tiebas to Puente la Reina 17.6km OR to Pamplona on NA-6001 and N-121 = 15km
Just an idea
I enjoyed Santiago-Fisterra-Muxia this year. Could be an option.I note you have left out Muxia you probably have already done , I have the same feeling about the Portuguese don't no why? .
I did Finisterre Muxia this August fairly easy plenty of accommodation personally I would avoid Finisterre very disappointed in the tourist vibe and I felt was rundown and dirty.
Ireland wild Atlantic way an option.
Sounds ideal. thanks. I'll have a look.You could also have a look at the chemin from Cluny to Le Puy.
Much more quiet than the first half of the podiensis, enough infrastructure, different kinds of landscape (woods, open fields/hills, Loire Valley...), not too difficult to walk but not boring, some beautiful towns/villages.
Haven't really decided on a time of year yet, but as we'll do some tourist stuff after, it would probably have to be May/June to get nice weatherWhat time of the year do you plan on going? Personally, I don't think the Mosel region is very pretty until June - before it's very brown and it can get quite cold. It's stays nice until November.
I'll certainly look at it, thanks.Hello,
I'm Spanish and I have never done the Camino (my first time will be Easter 2024 doing el Camino Portugues). However, I live in The Netherlands and to train for the Camino I'm going to be doing this trail https://www.globetrottingbooklovers.com/blog/hiking-the-dutch-camino-the-pieterpad . Each weekend we'll drive to one town and do the walking for 2 days and then on Sunday night drive back home. And then so on until it is finished and I'm ready to do the full Camino. The beauty of the Netherlands is that it is almost flat, you are in the middle of Europe and almost everyone speaks English. I have not done this route, and I can't recommend it from self experience. Just one thing, Dutch food and culture is nothing like the Spanish one. So any previous experience in the Camino may be of no use here (other than the experience of walking). Just a thought
Sounds ideal. thanks. I'll have a look.
Is there a lot of road walking?
Some options for private rooms all along the Aragones. Even in Ares where we were at the albergue, there was a Casa Rural with lovely views.Hmm. Nice option. thanks. I'll look at that?
Though don't think I'll ever get her into a dorm room.
You would not regret the Podiensis from le Puy. 12 - 14 days would get you to Conques. It offers good infrastructure of gites as well as chambres d’hautes (although needing to book a couple of days in advance). A great variety of terrain and plenty of lonesome space between historically preserved medieval villages and towns. I walked Portugal in spring and from le Puy in September. Much preferred the latter.Hi Folks.
I'm bouncing around ideas for 'our' next Camino.
This time Pat my wife will be joining me.
Yes, the 'Princess' has agreed to a short joint Camino,
as long as we spend time in Europe doing other things as well!
I mean to say, what else is even worth doing, but there it is.
I'm considering a couple of routes, but the considerable experience and brain power of this community, will I suspect, throw up some ideas I hadn't considered.
So here are some criteria that I need to consider.
I'll prompt the ideas, with those I was considering.
- No need to end in Santiago.
- Not looking at Portugal. (Just doesn't appeal, sorry)
- France or Spain preferably. or Germany. (speak a little bit of each)
- Max 20 kms days.
- Prefer a route with some accomodation / eating options (Pat is not into Albergues and DIY meals)
- Not too busy. Don't mind seeing no other Pilgrims.
- Not sections of the Frances. She's done that twice already.
- Invierno is 'probably' out sadly, not sure she'd cope well with the hills.
- No need for intermediate stops like 2nd breakfast, but a bonus if there is.
- added later. We both have foot issues and can't do lots of road walking.
The start of Le Puy. From Le Puy for 10 days or so. (Route and facilities look good)
Camino Madrid, maybe starting at Segovia. (Only just starting to look at route and facilities though)
The Moselle Camino in Germany? Only just found that. Wine country!
Any thoughts most appreciated.
I second this suggestion. It is lovely, has good variety, not many pilgrims but it feels like a Camino, and you can keep stages down to the low 20s. I walked the route to Burgos, but the alternative to Santo Domingo is shorter in total, so you might prefer that if you are taking extra days to shorten stages.Vasco.
That hill, like all other hills, is not so bad if you go really really slowly! The stage of 21.9 km from Zegama to Salvatierra/Agurain is one of my all-time top-3 favourite Camino stages. You can shorten it by 6 km by staying in a casa rural in Zalduondo. (There are more casas rurales than you see listed on Gronze.)One big hill, but really worth it, going through a tunnel built (some say) by the Romans.
Sounds great. Pity there isn't a Gronze style website for those routes.
Though I did find this https://camino-europe.eu/en/eu/deutschland-en-US/
Copied and pasted from elsewhere on the forum about the albergue at Canfranc:Hmm. Nice option. thanks. I'll look at that?
Though don't think I'll ever get her into a dorm room.
Haha..Moselle sounds good! I may need to look into that!Hi Folks.
I'm bouncing around ideas for 'our' next Camino.
This time Pat my wife will be joining me.
Yes, the 'Princess' has agreed to a short joint Camino,
as long as we spend time in Europe doing other things as well!
I mean to say, what else is even worth doing, but there it is.
I'm considering a couple of routes, but the considerable experience and brain power of this community, will I suspect, throw up some ideas I hadn't considered.
So here are some criteria that I need to consider.
I'll prompt the ideas, with those I was considering.
- No need to end in Santiago.
- Not looking at Portugal. (Just doesn't appeal, sorry)
- France or Spain preferably. or Germany. (speak a little bit of each)
- Max 20 kms days.
- Prefer a route with some accomodation / eating options (Pat is not into Albergues and DIY meals)
- Not too busy. Don't mind seeing no other Pilgrims.
- Not sections of the Frances. She's done that twice already.
- Invierno is 'probably' out sadly, not sure she'd cope well with the hills.
- No need for intermediate stops like 2nd breakfast, but a bonus if there is.
- added later. We both have foot issues and can't do lots of road walking.
The start of Le Puy. From Le Puy for 10 days or so. (Route and facilities look good)
Camino Madrid, maybe starting at Segovia. (Only just starting to look at route and facilities though)
The Moselle Camino in Germany? Only just found that. Wine country!
Any thoughts most appreciated.
The VdF is very hilly. I don’t have the elevation numbers at hand but IIRC there were at least five stages with ~1000m ascent and descent.Invierno is 'probably' out sadly, not sure she'd cope well with the hills.
Hmm. Definitely on the short list! Many thanksVasco.
The best food I've had on any camino so far. Begins in Irun, within the influence zone of San SĂ©bastien - and ends up in Haro, also a foodie place. Or the Via de Bayona, which is the same route much of the way, but goes to Burgos instead. One big hill, but really worth it, going through a tunnel built (some say) by the Romans. Even if it wasn't them, it's seriously old.
A really wonderful walk.
Probably a generalisation, but I have read the routes in Italy have a lot of road walking.Hello Robo:
You did not mentioned Italy. How about the Way of St. Francis? Begin in Florence(Firenze) (you can obtain a Pilgrim’s Credenzial at the Chiesa di Santa Croce in Florence) and visit cities like Siena, Pisa, Arezzo (La Dolce Vita was filmed there). Maybe just go directly to Umbria and begin at La Verna and end in Assisi (184 kms). You can even walk from Assisi to Rome. Just an idea of a “Way” in another country. Hope you find your best for both to enjoy a time together.
Looks like a great option, thanksConsider any section of the Chemin du Piemont Pyreneen (sorry, there are a lot of accent marks in there that my keyboard of the moment cannot handle). If history/culture/romance are priorities, Narbonne could be a good starting point (maybe spend an extra day to visit the canal, vineyards, Roman ruins, and cathedral). You could take in Carcassonne (impressive walled fortress, if a bit touristy -- take a taxi to avoid the uphill climb) and Lourdes. You could end at or near SJPdP depending on where you choose to start.
Lodging varies. There are hotel options at several points, but gites d'etape and the ambiguously-named "halte jacquaire" are inevitable for several stretches. There is no English language guidebook that I'm aware of, but several in French that you could likely glean the key info from. I would start at this page on the Confraternity site as a starting point.
It kind of needs to be a Camino.If it doesn't have to be a 'camino' (as in the word in the title), perhaps also look into King Ludwig's Way in Bavaria, Germany.
I did it in 2014; thoroughly enjoyed it & very scenic.
Would suit most, if not all of both yours & Pat's requirements.
Happy deciding!
It kind of needs to be a Camino.
It's the spiritual element that I seek.
I'm not a hiker by any means.
The start of Le Puy. From Le Puy for 10 days or so.
Then I would discard the Pieterpad in the Netherlands, to be honest. That is definitely more a long distance hike.It kind of needs to be a Camino.
It's the spiritual element that I seek.
I find that a 'traditional' Pilgrimage route seems to have it's own unique energy in that regard!
I'm not a hiker by any means.
This is a fantastic walk--I just did it in September when it is busier as it is a less frequented Camino.How about Somport to Puente la Reina (or Pamplona) on the Aragones with a little side trip to the old and new monasteries at San Juan de la Pena (you can stay two nights at Santa Cilia to allow for this)???
Somport to Canfranc (special albergue - if this is such a quiet route, could your princess consider an albergue?) 11.8km
Canfranc to Jaca (beautiful town) 20.2km
Jaca to Santa Cilia 15.2km
Santa Cilia to La Pena 11.4km one way - need to return - use taxi?
Santa Cilia to Arres (another special albergue) 10.2 km
Arres to Artieda 18.2km
Artieda to Ruesta 10.2km
Ruesta to Undues de Lerda 11.4km
Undues de Lerda to Sanguesa 10.6km
Sanguesa to Lumbier 12.9km
Lumbier to Abinzano 15km
Abinzano to Tiebas 19.8km
Tiebas to Puente la Reina 17.6km OR to Pamplona on NA-6001 and N-121 = 15km
Just an idea
Thanks @Luka . Looks great. Though I think in my wife's case it's a fairly embedded cultural sense of privacy / modesty. The idea of sharing a room with 'strangers' just doesn't add up. But who knows, maybe one day when there is no other option.....View attachment 158566View attachment 158567
If you decide to walk from Le Puy to Conques convince your wife to stay in the pilgrims albergue in Le Puy the first night for the real Camino feeling. Yes, you still hear the snoring, but it is lots of privacy. You'll meet your Camino family (mostly French) and in the morning at breakfast the hospitaleros sing the ultreia song (at least that is how it was in 2015). The next morning you can go to the cathedral for a short service and pilgrims blessing and then you start walking feeling 100% pilgrim. A good start, because you won't always feel that way as the Via Podiensis is also a GR with lots of (French) hikers.
How about Somport to Puente la Reina (or Pamplona) on the Aragones with a little side trip to the old and new monasteries at San Juan de la Pena (you can stay two nights at Santa Cilia to allow for this)???
Somport to Canfranc (special albergue - if this is such a quiet route, could your princess consider an albergue?) 11.8km
Canfranc to Jaca (beautiful town) 20.2km
Jaca to Santa Cilia 15.2km
Santa Cilia to La Pena 11.4km one way - need to return - use taxi?
Santa Cilia to Arres (another special albergue) 10.2 km
Arres to Artieda 18.2km
Artieda to Ruesta 10.2km
Ruesta to Undues de Lerda 11.4km
Undues de Lerda to Sanguesa 10.6km
Sanguesa to Lumbier 12.9km
Lumbier to Abinzano 15km
Abinzano to Tiebas 19.8km
Tiebas to Puente la Reina 17.6km OR to Pamplona on NA-6001 and N-121 = 15km
Just an idea
Oh, wow. Then sadly scratch off the Vasco. Lots of asphalt,, especially on the 2nd-4th days.Pat is like me. A day spent on a road and her feet are wreckedLike Camino stopping wrecked.
(we both have chronic foot issues)
Especially in a mixed-gender setting? She's not alone. I have to say as a woman more used to Asian monastic settings it really shocked me at first - and I still really feel uncomfortable with the (usually) mixed-gender aspect of albergue life.fairly embedded cultural sense of privacy / modesty.
I haven’t actually done this walk - just researched it closely earlier this year. There are not albergues in those places but I believe RoboPrince and his princess are happy with private accommodation - there are options on Gronze.Where did you stay in Lumbier and Abinzano?
If you balance using the Camino markers, the Buen Camino app, and google maps you can even trim out some of the small amount of road walking on the Camino Madrid. A few times before following the arrows or the app I’d look at google map and there’d be a dirt path following the pavement route the arrows or app indicated.The Camino de Madrid is on my list for May 2024, so no experience yet. But if I recall well some people here said it is about the least roadwalk of all Caminos, because it doesn't follow ancient tracks.
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