Where did you walk ( locally ) in 2016?

LesBrass · Aug 22, 2016

I'm having a few days holiday... walking in the Cantal around Salers, in the Auverne; preparing for the VdlP. I'm still having boot issues but I'm loving my Teva's, my UV umbrella and my new Osprey Tempest... just wish it was a tad cooler.

I've been adding a few more photos in my blog https://caminobrassblog.wordpress.com/2016/08/22/les-monts-du-cantal/#more-2282

Wokabaut_Meri · Aug 24, 2016

When I get asked by prospective pilgrims here in Adelaide about where they should be training, especially if they have limited travel time, I always respond with out from your front door. After all it worked for Bilbo Baggins.

So much of my training was just incorporating daily tasks like shopping and getting the weekend papers - oh! and the opportunity to train for those essential café con leche stops.

So here's a weekend walk to the local hardware store along the shared trail adjacent to a major expressway. Perfect training for that next Camino.

Wokabaut_Meri · Aug 24, 2016

and... my very first long walk >20kms with full pack since recovering from my navicular foot fracture... excuse me if I'm a little bit excited!

Once again, out from my front door and along the wonderful neighbourhood parks and reserves and the Tom Roberts Horse Trail. There were lots of eucalypt trees, rows of pruned grapevines, sheep and cattle in paddocks, a mix of paved roads, tracks, rocky trails and mud... just like on the Camino

mspath · Aug 24, 2016

Wokabaut_Meri said:
and... my very first long walk >20kms with full pack since recovering from my navicular foot fracture... excuse me if I'm a little bit excited!

Once again, out from my front door and along the wonderful neighbourhood parks and reserves and the Tom Roberts Horse Trail. There were lots of eucalypt trees, rows of pruned grapevines, sheep and cattle in paddocks, a mix of paved roads, tracks, rocky trails and mud... just like on the Camino

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Great to read of your progress Meri; now just keep on keeping on!

Happy trails and Ultreia!

Wokabaut_Meri · Aug 24, 2016

mspath said:
Great to read of your progress Meri; now just keep on keeping on!

Happy trails and Ultreia!

Thank you! Next step two long walks back to back and then...

supersullivan · Aug 28, 2016

A very early start to my Saturday hike ( 2.30 am ) to get to the top of Lugnaquillia in the Wicklow mountains to watch the sunrise:
https://www.facebook.com/supersullivan/posts/10206921011726067

supersullivan · Aug 28, 2016

Sunday saw a more normal starting time for my hike and for a change, I was on the western side of the Wicklow mountains:
https://www.facebook.com/supersulli...=notif&notif_t=like&notif_id=1472412179665508

SabsP · Aug 29, 2016

Having our regular holidays in Extremadura Spain.
First thing I saw was the yellow flecha...really.

Theatregal · Aug 29, 2016

Hiking to and exploring the rich tide pools and the unique rock formations of Botanical Beach near Port Renfrew B.C. on Vancouver Island. A great day!

Pelegrin · Aug 30, 2016

Last Sunday I walked Colmenar - Manzanares that is on Camino de Madrid (I didn´t know where to put these photos)
P67 and P68 show part of Sierra de Madrid ( Cuerda Larga) and P72
Manzanares and Pedriza (Yelmo pic on top).
Most of the places on the photos are included in National Park Sierra de Guadarrama.

SabsP · Sep 1, 2016

Still holiday in Caceres.
Bless those who are walking the Camino here at the moment...very hot.
Saw some pilgrims early in the morning.
Pics of the church of Santiago.
And the Roman theatre in Merida...also on the Camino de la Plata.
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Theatregal · Sep 2, 2016

Interesting (fun!) walk to and along the paths through Wacky Woods near Fanny Bay on Vancouver Island. Artist George Sawchuck created sculptures from found objects and placed them in these 4 acres of woods over an almost 40 year period from about 1974. He died recently so there aren't any new pieces now. The new owners of the property allow people to continue to walk through and explore but eventually the works will all sink back into the forest.

domigee · Sep 7, 2016

@Tulle Love the shoes, btw!

Nothing as exciting as doing the Camino but I thoroughly enjoyed walking again today:
Taken in Kent, near Wrotham.

domigee · Sep 7, 2016

PS: please tell me if I am doing something wrong when posting the photos, I choose 'thumbnail' but somehow one pic always gets 'away' ...

Rick of Rick and Peg · Sep 8, 2016

domigee said:
PS: please tell me if I am doing something wrong when posting the photos, I choose 'thumbnail' but somehow one pic always gets 'away' ...

I have trouble getting things the way I want them too but I found a way to do it. You keep repeating this until it looks good enough. First you post. Then:

1) Indicate that you want to edit your post. At the bottom of your post to the left of the blue buttons you will see the hyperlinked text "Edit". Click it.

2) Now edit your post. Your pictures will appear as text like: (ATTACH)28937(/ATTACH) (but with square brackets instead.) Move these around the text of your post to get them in the right place. Experiment with putting them all on one line, one attach statement per line, etc. You may have to switch between editing in the RICH TEXT format and the BB CODE format (click the right-most icon, the wrench/spanner). Click the POST REPLY button.

3) Look at what you've got and repeat from 1. Except to remove the thumbnails that have the name of the files to the right of the thumbnails you click the MORE OPTIONS button. Then you will be into another version of the editor. At the bottom you will see your thumbnails and buttons to indicate whether you want to include the picture as THUMBNAIL, FULL IMAGE or to DELETE it. Then click REPLY TO THREAD.

4) Look at your post and repeat steps where needed.

I'm no expert. I just keep trying to get what I want by repeating the steps above.

domigee · Sep 8, 2016

Thank you! I'll have a go!

Wokabaut_Meri · Sep 17, 2016

We've had a bit of rain here in South Australia - yet another of those once in 100 year events....

Well, my favourite Onkaparinga River National Park used to have a lovely swing bridge constructed in 1994:

and then on Wednesday this week we had 70 mm of rain in the catchment combined with a release from the full reservoir upstream... by Thursday morning the combined floodwaters reached the bridge...

domigee · Sep 17, 2016

Wow that's a lot of water! What a shame for that bridge...

Kanga · Sep 17, 2016

We were out west 2 weeks ago and walked along this dry creek bed, near Broken Hill. As @Wokabaut_Meri has said, we've had unusual rains and since then it has been in flood.

Wokabaut_Meri · Sep 17, 2016

domigee said:
Wow that's a lot of water! What a shame for that bridge...

Yes, it was sad to see it gone. The floodwaters peaked at 4:00am and the bridge held on for a few more hours until the force of the water pulled the cement and posts out of the banks.

The greater shame was that several houses were flooded when the water rose rapidly in less than half an hour. One of the unfortunate consequences of living near the end of a river's journey to the sea.

Theatregal · Sep 18, 2016

Walking across the suspension bridge over the Columbia River to the trail through the forest and around Zuckerberg Island near Castlegar B.C. A beautiful, special place.

SabsP · Sep 18, 2016

Theatregal...your pictures never stop to amaze me! Wonderful.

Rick of Rick and Peg · Sep 18, 2016

Peg and I just got back from an overnight backpacking trip to some lakes in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. It wasn't very far in distance but it did take us awhile. The campsite was at the outlet of the bigger lake and there was a good view. In the morning we had a moose patrolling the far shore of the lake.

Peter Fransiscus · Sep 18, 2016

Theatregal said:
Walking across the suspension bridge over the Columbia River to the trail through the forest and around Zuckerberg Island near Castlegar B.C. A beautiful, special place.

Lovely pictures, thank you for sharing. Wish you well , Peter.

Wokabaut_Meri · Sep 21, 2016

Another park in my backyard... Hallett Cove Conservation Park has it all - geological and archaeological sites of worldwide significance, aboriginal history and artefacts, fabulous coastline and views and lots of stairs and hills for that all important Camino training... oh! and a kiosk for the well earned after walk ice-cream! All within 25kms of the city of Adelaide.

Peter Fransiscus · Sep 21, 2016

I did a nice walk around Bat-Bentheim in Germany.
Wish everyone well, Peter.

SabsP · Sep 21, 2016

Across the border Peter...

Peter Fransiscus · Sep 21, 2016

SabineP said:
Across the border Peter...

We came back today, going Friday for a week to Limburg.We both love it to walk there.
Wish you well, Peter.

SabsP · Sep 21, 2016

Enjoy Limburg...and maybe hop over to my Limburg....

Waka · Sep 22, 2016

Just completed Hadrian's Wall with my other half, it has some really challenging parts, especially as we did those on the hottest September day for 50 years.

Theatregal · Sep 23, 2016

SabineP said:
Theatregal...your pictures never stop to amaze me! Wonderful.

Thank you so much @SabineP! I always enjoy yours as well!

Theatregal · Sep 23, 2016

Peter Fransiscus said:
Lovely pictures, thank you for sharing. Wish you well , Peter.

Thank you Peter ~ Wishing you well too!

Theatregal · Sep 23, 2016

Spectacular fall walk along the Coquihalla Gorge and through the Othello Quintette tunnels and trails near Hope B.C. Salmon were jumping up river as they make their way to spawning grounds.

Kiwi-family · Sep 23, 2016

https://www.facebook.com/rachael.ayres.3/posts/907670479337554
Today. Alone. Perfect. 21km. 12degrees.

Peter Fransiscus · Sep 28, 2016

We did a border walk at the surrounding of Vaals. Was about 15 km. up and down.

SabsP · Oct 2, 2016

Today was not a beautiful walk in terms of views but it was a walk for a good cause. 24 hours walking in the Fight against Cancer. Around 75 groups gathered for walking/ running continously for 24 hours. I walked with a workmate this morning for an hour and also an hour this afternoon. Total of 11 k.
The event is on the grounds / barracks of the local Army base. Lots of people, even with the cold and windy weather. When cheering for the others we could rest in our tent.

Tulle · Oct 2, 2016

Just a short walk today to "keep up the good work/walk" after having walked Camino Ingles.. Nice weather, but I don't like the snowfall in the mountains, it's too early!

SabsP · Oct 10, 2016

Drove to neighbouring country the Netherlands where I walked at Mount St Peter. I think the highest point of Netherlands.
Bit of everything : woods, tarmac, caves and the water not far away either.
Grey during whole walk and now at the cafe finally sun.

SabsP · Oct 16, 2016

Autumn glory in our village

Rick of Rick and Peg · Oct 16, 2016

Two days ago Peg and I walked with our dog for about 10 km in the vicinity of Walden Pond. Just in the vicinity though as dogs are not welcome there. Autumn temperatures and a cloudless blue sky, which we didn't see much of because most of the walk was in the woods with deep shade. There are many trails in the area.

Wokabaut_Meri · Oct 18, 2016

More of a stroll than a walk in between appointments in Adelaide. I took the opportunity to walk down to the South Parklands where there is a softly spoken hidden gem - the Adelaide Himeji Garden. Himeji is one of our sister cities and is located 650 km west of Tokyo and 8,050 km from Adelaide. The garden symbolises the bonds of friendship and was a tranquil pause in a busy day to reflect upon all our Camino friendships that endure still.

Theatregal · Oct 18, 2016

Rainy fresh fall morning walk along the Fraser River to Finn Slough.

SabsP · Oct 23, 2016

Today. Village. Another local hill. Autumn.

Theatregal · Oct 24, 2016

SabineP said:
Today. Village. Another local hill. Autumn.

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So beautiful.

Kanga · Oct 24, 2016

With @Tigger - Narrabeen to Newport walk

SabsP · Oct 25, 2016

Camino shell at the church of St James aka Sint Jacobus at the church dedicated to him. In my home - and worktown.

pilgrim b · Oct 25, 2016

After a year of struggling (I finally got clear of hospitals) to enjoy a few days in the English Lake District. Who knows where next year ?

Peter Fransiscus · Oct 30, 2016

SabineP said:
Drove to neighbouring country the Netherlands where I walked at Mount St Peter. I think the highest point of Netherlands.
Bit of everything : woods, tarmac, caves and the water not far away either.
Grey during whole walk and now at the cafe finally sun.

Hi Sabine , the "St. Pietersberg" has a hight of about 110 mtr.
The highist point in the Netherlands is the "Vaalseberg" with a hight of 323mtr.

Wish you well , Peter .

SabsP · Oct 30, 2016

9k.stroll and gorgeous autumnal light. Changing of clock to wintertime. We were early and did not see any other people till we finished the walk.

SabsP · Oct 31, 2016

Forest or wooded area more likely today...and splendid walking weather.

SabsP · Oct 31, 2016

pilgrim b said:
After a year of struggling (I finally got clear of hospitals) to enjoy a few days in the English Lake District. Who knows where next year ?

Hi pilgrimb : good to hear you are on the mend.

Tia Valeria · Oct 31, 2016

A few days break near Shaftesbury (Dorset) and a walk up Hambledon Hill. Very steep ascent, then along the ridge to the hill fort before returning by the more gentle slope downhill. Great views from the top.

pilgrim b · Nov 2, 2016

SabineP said:
Hi pilgrimb : good to hear you are on the mend.

Thank you SabineP that is very kind of you I hope to be able to spend a little more time walking now and on the forum.

Tia Valeria · Nov 2, 2016

pilgrim b said:
After a year of struggling (I finally got clear of hospitals) to enjoy a few days in the English Lake District. Who knows where next year ?

Good to see you are active again. Maybe we will see you around Devon again sometime next year. Happy walking....

Rick of Rick and Peg · Nov 3, 2016

Peg and I walk the dog occasionally in a nearby state park that lets the dogs run free. Here is a picture taken today. Massachusetts, USA.

supersullivan · Nov 5, 2016

Halloween Weekend saw me leading 2 group hikes in the Leitrim Hills, Saturday saw us on Sliabh an Iarainn:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/126...=notif&notif_t=like&notif_id=1478218604088116
and Sunday saw us on Keeloge:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/126...=notif&notif_t=like&notif_id=1478215332896105

pilgrim b · Nov 6, 2016

Tia Valeria said:
Good to see you are active again. Maybe we will see you around Devon again sometime next year. Happy walking....

Thank you Tia Valeria hope to be back in Devon sometime in early September already booked and can't wait to return.

SabsP · Nov 25, 2016

In the beautiful town of Gent this weekend. St.Jacobchurch, unfortunately closed.

And the cathedral interior.

Gent by night.

SabsP · Dec 4, 2016

Crispy cold ( minus 4 Celsius ) and dry weather this morning. Ideal to test out my wintergear.

Rick of Rick and Peg · Dec 13, 2016

I'm cheating here because these walks were far from local. In fact they were on the other side of the world from me but they are non-camino and local to forum members from New Zealand.

The first thing we did on our trip once settled into Auckland, NZ was to walk through the town to Mt. Eden. Peg and I had been to the exact antipode of this spot on our first trip to Spain over 25 years ago so I could say I had been on the exact opposite sides of the earth (I had been to NZ and Mt. Eden decades before.) Now Peg can say the same thing.

Mt. Eden in Auckland:

And this place (an old scan from a slide) is a harvested sunflower field located approximately 17 km from the town of Ronda, southern Spain. At 36.878° north latitude, 5.236° west longtitude, this field is the antipode to Mt. Eden, Auckland New Zealand (at 36.878° south latitude, 174.764° east longtitude.):

Another NZ walk we took was at the entrance to Aranui Cave near the village of Waitomo Caves. There is a short trail there amongst tree ferns winding up through a narrow canyon with small caves, streams and waterfalls. We did this at night so we could see the glowworms lining the cliffs. Spooky at night, I went back to see it during the day too.

Next walk (don't let the yellow arrow in the picture fool you) was on a tour to Mt. Tarawera, a volcano that erupted in the 1880s. The tour included a two hour hike to the top and then down into its crater and back up. On Maori owned land, you need to do this as part of a tour.

The NZ Department of Conservation has 9 trails officially designated as Great Walks. If you want to walk the full length of these during the warmer months you need to make reservations. We didn't need any though for a couple hour walk along the Tongariro Northern Circuit Great Walk in Tongariro National Park.

The greatest of the Great Walks of our trip, the Milford Track, has been billed for a century as "the finest walk in the world." This walk was a four day trek and we did the whole thing and, amazingly enough, without being rained on. There is just too much to say about this trip for this post. See the Great Walks link below.

Note the posts with the yellow arrows in this picture. They are there because when the valley is flooded up to your thighs you wouldn't find the trail without them:

http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/things-to-do/walking-and-tramping/great-walks/

Rick of Rick and Peg · Dec 13, 2016

I was only allowed 10 pictures in the last post so I'm continuing with this one. I edit my pictures to get a good compromise between picture size and file size so I don't fill up Ivar's computer.

The morning of our last day in NZ we managed to walk a short section of another Great Walk, the Abel Tasman Coast Track.

A few other walks we managed to do in NZ included an afternoon walking around Auckland's Botanical Garden (a very impressive park,)

one along sea cliffs past a seal colony to a lighthouse,

one to see Franz Josef Glacier

and a long walk along a beach where we met only a half dozen people.

SabsP · Dec 17, 2016

On my 22k walk yesterday I noticed the yellow flecha to Santiago on Belgian Via Brabantica
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Theatregal · Dec 17, 2016

Rick of Rick and Peg said:
I'm cheating here because these walks were far from local. In fact they were on the other side of the world from me but they are non-camino and local to forum members from New Zealand.

The first thing we did on our trip once settled into Auckland, NZ was to walk through the town to Mt. Eden. Peg and I had been to the exact antipode of this spot on our first trip to Spain over 25 years ago so I could say I had been on the exact opposite sides of the earth (I had been to NZ and Mt. Eden decades before.) Now Peg can say the same thing.

Mt. Eden in Auckland:
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And this place (an old scan from a slide) is a harvested sunflower field located approximately 17 km from the town of Ronda, southern Spain. At 36.878° north latitude, 5.236° west longtitude, this field is the antipode to Mt. Eden, Auckland New Zealand (at 36.878° south latitude, 174.764° east longtitude.):
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Another NZ walk we took was at the entrance to Aranui Cave near the village of Waitomo Caves. There is a short trail there amongst tree ferns winding up through a narrow canyon with small caves, streams and waterfalls. We did this at night so we could see the glowworms lining the cliffs. Spooky at night, I went back to see it during the day too.
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Next walk (don't let the yellow arrow in the picture fool you) was on a tour to Mt. Tarawera, a volcano that erupted in the 1880s. The tour included a two hour hike to the top and then down into its crater and back up. On Maori owned land, you need to do this as part of a tour.
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The NZ Department of Conservation has 9 trails officially designated as Great Walks. If you want to walk the full length of these during the warmer months you need to make reservations. We didn't need any though for a couple hour walk along the Tongariro Northern Circuit Great Walk in Tongariro National Park.
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The greatest of the Great Walks of our trip, the Milford Track, has been billed for a century as "the finest walk in the world." This walk was a four day trek and we did the whole thing and, amazingly enough, without being rained on. There is just too much to say about this trip for this post. See the Great Walks link below.
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Note the posts with the yellow arrows in this picture. They are there because when the valley is flooded up to your thighs you wouldn't find the trail without them:
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http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/things-to-do/walking-and-tramping/great-walks/

Gosh! These are truly stunning photos!! A new walk for my wish list!

Theatregal · Dec 17, 2016

SabineP said:
Crispy cold ( minus 4 Celsius ) and dry weather this morning. Ideal to test out my wintergear.

Lovely photos! @SabineP

SabsP · Dec 17, 2016

Now it seems to work with the uploading.
Small chapel.
The Peace Church from Helen-Bos that remembers the horror of WWI.
And a long and winding road....

Rick of Rick and Peg · Dec 17, 2016

Theatregal said:
A new walk for my wish list!

We were lucky times four. We had already booked our NZ tickets. The Great Walks weren't taking reservations then. At one point I logged in to see when they would open up and they had opened only 40 minutes earlier. When trying to book I saw days already filling up (the Milford Track only allows 40 independent hikers a day and 50 arranged through a tour outfit.) The Department of Conservation closed the track to everybody the day before our hike was to start because of snow. Those hikers couldn't go at all but got refunds. DOC opened the track again for our day. We had four days without rain in one of the wettest spots on earth (a ranger mentioned a 24 hour period he was in that had 620 mm of rain, 2 feet!) The melting snow still gave us plenty of waterfalls to view and some avalanches too.

The Milford Track has the most restrictions and is the hardest track to book but they have 8 other hikes in the Great Walks category and many, many others that are great walks but without the official DOC blessing and the capital letters.

I don't think it is possible to spend too much time in New Zealand (unless your visa says you have to leave. )

SabsP · Dec 20, 2016

Heavenly weather.Plus 2 celsius.Dry and open sky.
Afternoon off from work.

Rick of Rick and Peg · Dec 20, 2016

SabineP said:
Heavenly weather.Plus 2 celsius.Dry and open sky. Afternoon off from work.

Is that mistletoe in the trees?

SabsP · Dec 20, 2016

Rick of Rick and Peg said:
Is that mistletoe in the trees?

Indeed in Dutch it is called maretak...it is really a parasite.
Good for the birds though.

SabsP · Dec 25, 2016

Getting rid of Christmas calories...
Local and quiet walk.

VNwalking · Dec 25, 2016

Rick of Rick and Peg said:
I don't think it is possible to spend too much time in New Zealand (unless your visa says you have to leave. )

Please stop, Rick, you're making me homesick.
(But actually, it's a small overly green slightly backward part of the world with too many sheep, too much mud, nasty volcanoes (not to mention wobbly land), and a condescending attitude towards the neighbors. Why go anyway?? You've seen one tree/beach/mountain, you've seen 'em all. )

NualaOC · Dec 26, 2016

It's a long time since I posted on this thread.... getting one in before the end of the year!

We did our traditional St Stephen's Day family walk in the Belfast hills this morning. It was cold and fresh (to put in mildly!) but good fun.

SabsP · Dec 26, 2016

Very beautiful Nuala!!

Peter Fransiscus · Dec 26, 2016

Very lovely pictures Nuala.
It's bin 41 years that I walked there.
Meaby it's about time to come back again,who knowes.
Wish you well, Peter.

SabsP · Dec 26, 2016

If everyone here is ok with it, I will create a new thread with walks of 2017? Next week of course

NualaOC · Dec 26, 2016

Good idea Sabine, thanks for doing this.

Peter Fransiscus · Dec 26, 2016

No problem here.

pilgrim b · Dec 29, 2016

SabineP said:
If everyone here is ok with it, I will create a new thread with walks of 2017? Next week of course

Sounds good Sabine P. During the between time Happy and Healthy New Year to you all !!

Theatregal · Dec 30, 2016

SabineP said:
If everyone here is ok with it, I will create a new thread with walks of 2017? Next week of course

Great! Thank you Sabine!

SabsP · Dec 31, 2016

Minus five Celsius. Cold and very foggy. Ideal weather to test the different layers of clothing.
Meanwhile OH was cooking up tapas for our Spanish themed dinner...

I already posted pics of the see through church but this artwork keeps attracting me.
No tourists around...only me and silence.

Peter Fransiscus · Dec 31, 2016

Some pictures from yesterday and today.
It was cold , about -5 Celsius.

NualaOC · Dec 31, 2016

Fantastic photos Sabine and Peter!

It was much warmer here this week. We walked along Newcastle beach on Thursday - 'where the mountains of Mourne sweep down to the sea.' A very hardy family were paddling in the water, and the ice-cream shops were packed!

Tia Valeria · Dec 31, 2016

Our final walk for 2016 on a very frosty morning (Friday 30th). Not as cold as others mention but still frost out of the sun at 11.00am. Up the hill and along the road at the top before turning back downhill through the woods. At the top we met up with neighbours and a friend of theirs, who is planning to walk the Camino next year .
Views - looking up the hill, the sun was just coming over the top; looking back from part way up and finally from the top looking across the valley.
Happy New Year to you all

SabsP · Jan 1, 2017

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/where-did-you-walk-locally-in-2017.44869/

I created a new 2017 thread.

Will ask the moderators to close this old one.

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