- Time of past OR future Camino
- First one in 2005 from Moissac, France.
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Sorry @David while being in one of the greatest countries in regards to food and quality ingredients, going to McDonalds is just not an option for me. I don't know where your dislike for spanish cousine comes from, but generally disliking a whole countries food, specially if it has as big of a variety is just wrong in my opinion.
Personally, I'd love to have the chance to go on a food tour with you in a city someday to change your mind
(what i can understand, is to go to mcdonalds to get something familiar after weeks of new stuff)
Sorry if i sounded harsh, sometimes i think i am chosing the wrong words. My english is quite decent, but not perfect. It is not my intend to "not be kind" in any way.Please be kind, I am a late 40's English Empire baby and have certain likes and dislikes re food. I have been visiting Spain for over twenty years .. I have eaten in cheap places, I have eaten in three and four star places and I just do not like Spanish food. I have travelled at least six times around the world (I lost count) and have eaten in at least twenty countries in the world over my life, both poor and expensive and had much enjoyment, but Spanish food is just not for me - please allow me to have my own viewpoint on this subject in this forum.
I could go on ... the bread has such a hard crust that it can actually cut your palate open. A Paella is the same taste whatever is in it because they mix and cook in the ingredients with the rice, which to me makes it heavily oily and drab.
Of course, if you order a specific fish dish or a beef steak dish, you will get what people eat throughout the world and that will taste nice - but oily heavy Spanish dishes? Anhalter, I have tried them all, I really have, over two decades - and I just do not like what they do with food.
Sorry.
Sorry if i sounded harsh, sometimes i think i am chosing the wrong words. My english is quite decent, but not perfect. It is not my intend to "not be kind" in any way.
Of course you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and of course you can eat what you like best. It's a free country after all.
What i do not get is our different perspectives. I also have be going to spain for more than 30 years. I think i was 5-6y the first times i went there with my parents.
Now that i have the means, i have planned whole vacations in spain around the (in my view) incredible food. And no, i do not go to Michelin starred restaurants. I (try to) go, where the locals go, because it is usally great food for a great price.
What especially disturbs me is your view on paella. There are worlds of difference!
Imagine a touristic place, where turnover has to be high, that just heats up frozen, industrially made, paellas.
Imagine a place, where everything, including the fish broth, is made from scratch. Where they use real saffron instead of "colorante". Where you have to wait something along 45min to get the paella.
As with everything you need to know your food (a bit) to really cherish the difference. It's like with everthing else. Why pay 20 bucks for a Chardonnay when you can get one for 3... It's both white wine.
I have been trying for years to prepare the paella to the likes of my favorite place. I so far have not managed it. But i have to say, my paella is likely better what you get most places.
You are 100% right. Viva the Spanish food.Sorry @David while being in one of the greatest countries in regards to food and quality ingredients, going to McDonalds is just not an option for me. I don't know where your dislike for spanish cousine comes from, but generally disliking a whole countries food, specially if it has as big of a variety is just wrong in my opinion.
Personally, I'd love to have the chance to go on a food tour with you in a city someday to change your mind
(what i can understand, is to go to mcdonalds to get something familiar after weeks of new stuff)
edit: To get a good overview of the incredible variety of spanish food, i strongly recommend the channel "Spain Revealed" on Youtube. For example this video, where they sample different foods in a market:(It's all in english. They make a living selling food tours. I am not affiliated nor do i know them)
In another thread here, started by @Arn , discusting food is being discussed. Interesting, and I have learned a little about what to definitely avoid!
However, my Caminos have tought me a lot about Spanish food, and how nice it can be: So the question is: What did you particurlarly enjoy for food while on your Camino?
For me, I must say that a ration of choriso fritte, with bread (pan) and a glass of red, sitting by the main square in Carrion de los Condes, people-watching, is one of my favourites.
What about you?
I am sad the way you criticised Spanish food.Please be kind, I am a late 40's English Empire baby and have certain likes and dislikes re food. I have been visiting Spain for over twenty years .. I have eaten in cheap places, I have eaten in three and four star places and I just do not like Spanish food. I have travelled at least six times around the world (I lost count) and have eaten in at least twenty countries in the world over my life, both poor and expensive and had much enjoyment, but Spanish food is just not for me - please allow me to have my own viewpoint on this subject in this forum.
I could go on ... the bread has such a hard crust that it can actually cut your palate open. That strange cold potato omelette that pilgrims rave about? Crikey! You have to be Truly hungry to swallow that! A Paella has the same taste whatever is in it because they mix and cook in the ingredients with the rice, which to me makes it heavily oily and drab. In other countries they cook the dish and then add it to the rice on your plate.
Of course, if you order a specific fish dish or a beef steak dish, you will get what people eat throughout the world and that will taste nice - but oily heavy Spanish dishes? Anhalter, I have tried them all, I really have, over two decades - and I just do not like what they do with food. On the other hand I have eaten in an immigrant worker's Portuguese community centre and restaurant in Frankfurt, invited in by respected elders, and had a Portuguese freshly fired sardine dish and it was utterly phenomenal, as were the other dishes - if the Spanish could do things like that then I would be in!
Sorry.
Absolutely! I don't rave about Spanish food either, for various reasons, and I have been known to enjoy an occasional McDonalds meal. But you said two things that I cannot agree with, as I think they are both false.Spanish food is just not for me - please allow me to have my own viewpoint on this subject in this forum.
Spanish and Mexican food are not similar at all!Spanish?? nnnoooo (and not Mexican either and they are similar to me, both horrid).
That is a myth that is not supported by scientific evidence - myth #4 on this website.(aluminium pots and pans!! - Hello Alzheimer's)
Ah well, each to his own!Absolutely, I really don't like Spanish food. Not parochial, I like French, Italian, Chinese, Indian, etc - but Spanish?? nnnoooo (and not Mexican either and they are similar to me, both horrid).
I don’t have a bias against McDonalds but I couldn’t imagine eating in one in Spain, where there is a massive variety of home cooked food. The whole culture seems designed to produce fresh, tasty, regional food in a welcoming and unfussy manner. In my opinion it is easier to eat well in Spain and Portugal than in any other country I have visited. The bars are a bastion of hospitality, noise and atmosphere. The eggs taste better than elsewhere. Bread is fresh and tasty. Seafood usually of greater variety and freshness than in England, even miles from the sea. Then one can find things that are hard to find in England; suckling pig and rabbit. One of the best dishes I ate on my last Camino was a 7.50 euro rabbit cooked over charcoal in Pontevedra. Magnificent with a bottle of Bierzo. Each to their own, though. Best wishes and let’s hope we can get there again soon.Why? McDonalds use good belly cuts of 100% local beef with no additives except salt and pepper, fresh salads, freshly baked good bread from the country they are based in, free range eggs, free range milk, all cooked freshly to order - plus best fresh ground bean coffee at the best price in Europe ... apart from wild claims against - what is wrong with any of their menu? I like it, like it all.
If you go into a Spanish restaurant you will have food cooked in aluminium pans!! (aluminium pots and pans!! - Hello Alzheimer's) - you have no idea how fresh the ingredients are, nor where they came from, nor what quality, whether they are pesticide full or no - all lower end cafes and restaurants buy the absolute cheapest produce they can get - who knows the provenance? - so what actually is this bias against McDonalds?
Please to explain.
Oh - and the staff are really cheerful and helpful and friendly, and the toilets are immaculately clean, and they have free wi-fi!! - what is not to like??
I enjoyed your post and politely disagreeing. Ultreia!Hi - could folks ignore my comments, and subsequent comments from others .. I shouldn't have posted after my McDonalds post (which was true by the way).
It was an answer to the word 'enjoy' in the post title and I don't want that to hijack the post.
To get it back on track, in Europe Spain is known for its fine foods and regional dishes. The Spanish in various areas are very proud of their versions of Paella, and on the coasts the villages and towns have specific recipes, different from others, for their fish dishes, of which they are very proud.
I have Camino friends who rave about the Spanish food they have eaten and I haven't met anyone who feels as I do - so, let us get back on track .... I do like Spanish hams and in Burgos their is a specific Burgos black pudding dish that is considered to be rather fine (much too oily though).
Another thing, that has not been mentioned much, are croquetas.
Unfortunately, many place only sell the deep frozen ones. They are cheap, they are easy to prepare, and they hit a spot when you have "hiker hunger" nontheless. So why put more effort in it.
Why? Because it is worth it. Croquetas can be incredible when done right. You can put pretty much everything in them. Ham? Sure. Cheese? Sure! Squid? Why not? Choclate? Oh hell yes.
I heard that the bars of pamplona hold an anual competiton on croquetas. If someone knows more, please elaborate. But i asked in some bars after their special croqueta and was never disapointed.
Another great place, in a town of great tapas, is Divina Croqueta in Logrono. They serve croquetas. And wine. That is it.
Theres a picture of the menu on google i can't link to because stupid copiright, but i have one of the food itself. Can't remember exactly what was in each, but one was choclate, and this was actually divine.
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Another thing, that has not been mentioned much, are croquetas.
Unfortunately, many place only sell the deep frozen ones. They are cheap, they are easy to prepare, and they hit a spot when you have "hiker hunger" nontheless. So why put more effort in it.
Why? Because it is worth it. Croquetas can be incredible when done right. You can put pretty much everything in them. Ham? Sure. Cheese? Sure! Squid? Why not? Choclate? Oh hell yes.
I heard that the bars of pamplona hold an anual competiton on croquetas. If someone knows more, please elaborate. But i asked in some bars after their special croqueta and was never disapointed.
Another great place, in a town of great tapas, is Divina Croqueta in Logrono. They serve croquetas. And wine. That is it.
Theres a picture of the menu on google i can't link to because stupid copiright, but i have one of the food itself. Can't remember exactly what was in each, but one was choclate, and this was actually divine.
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I thought that for many years. First went to Spain when I was 18, over four decades ago and always avoided it. I walked the Camino in 2019 and eventually tried it about 4 days out of Santiago. Loved it!! Had it every day thereafter and cooked it many times once home ( with disappointing results but edible). I think I agree with David, Spain's food is not the best (or worst) but I think it is is much the better for the experience, the setting, the moment!That strange cold potato omelette that pilgrims rave about? Crikey! You have to be Truly hungry to swallow that!
Divine croquetas with an albarino or rioja.Another thing, that has not been mentioned much, are croquetas.
Unfortunately, many place only sell the deep frozen ones. They are cheap, they are easy to prepare, and they hit a spot when you have "hiker hunger" nontheless. So why put more effort in it.
Why? Because it is worth it. Croquetas can be incredible when done right. You can put pretty much everything in them. Ham? Sure. Cheese? Sure! Squid? Why not? Choclate? Oh hell yes.
I heard that the bars of pamplona hold an anual competiton on croquetas. If someone knows more, please elaborate. But i asked in some bars after their special croqueta and was never disapointed.
Another great place, in a town of great tapas, is Divina Croqueta in Logrono. They serve croquetas. And wine. That is it.
Theres a picture of the menu on google i can't link to because stupid copiright, but i have one of the food itself. Can't remember exactly what was in each, but one was choclate, and this was actually divine.
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The utter JOY of finding a McDonalds and not having to eat Spanish food - Big Mac, large fries!!
Chocolate muffin St JeanIn another thread here, started by @Arn , discusting food is being discussed. Interesting, and I have learned a little about what to definitely avoid!
However, my Caminos have tought me a lot about Spanish food, and how nice it can be: So the question is: What did you particurlarly enjoy for food while on your Camino?
For me, I must say that a ration of choriso fritte, with bread (pan) and a glass of red, sitting by the main square in Carrion de los Condes, people-watching, is one of my favourites.
What about you?
The goodness and beauty of the Spanish food.Restaurante Andurina, Fisterra
pickled fish, served in a strawberry puree, with dashes of olive oil, and bright pink micro greens. Dessert was a heavenly creamy dessert with a tart fruit (mango?) center, covered in a dark chocolate shell, a smear of caramel and a few raspberries. And a tiny side of fresh mint ice cream.
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Pan con tomate. I tried to make it at home and could not figure out how they got the texture of tomato, then I watched two Italians making pasta sauce: you grate it, with a cheese grater, into a bowl. Lightly toast the bread, glug a generous dollop of olive oil onto the bread, spread the tomato pulp onto the bread then salt, pepper, and yet more olive oil. Breakfast of the gods.In another thread here, started by @Arn , discusting food is being discussed. Interesting, and I have learned a little about what to definitely avoid!
However, my Caminos have tought me a lot about Spanish food, and how nice it can be: So the question is: What did you particurlarly enjoy for food while on your Camino?
For me, I must say that a ration of choriso fritte, with bread (pan) and a glass of red, sitting by the main square in Carrion de los Condes, people-watching, is one of my favourites.
What about you?
On my Santiago Fisterra I met a Korean pilgrim who had a very bad English. It took time to know that her favourite Spanish food was gambas al ajillo. I also like pollo and conejo al ajillo.A special meal in Madrid at Botin. I was there the first time in 1961 with my parents.
Favorite meal is gambas al aujillo with Albariño ending with manchego con membrillo. There is a bar in Compostela that has the best, with just the right amount of red pepper!
More typical of Burgos (if I get this the right way round ...) a cojanudo has a base of morcilla (black pudding) with a quail’s egg on top and a cojanuda is similar but on a base of chorizo.Apart my usual diet of tortilla at any time of the day (there was one place on the 'scenic' route into Burgos that had several varieties that were very tasty), I remember a nice dish in Logroño called 'cojonudo' that included what Brits call black pudding and a fried egg.
It was so good I went back to the same place for another one when I returned to Logroño last year at the end of another stage in my Camino.
I am happy to say I am a vegetarian, so most all of the foods folks are describing sounds awful to me.In another thread here, started by @Arn , discusting food is being discussed. Interesting, and I have learned a little about what to definitely avoid!
However, my Caminos have tought me a lot about Spanish food, and how nice it can be: So the question is: What did you particurlarly enjoy for food while on your Camino?
For me, I must say that a ration of choriso fritte, with bread (pan) and a glass of red, sitting by the main square in Carrion de los Condes, people-watching, is one of my favourites.
What about you?
It must be cojonudo and cojonuda.More typical of Burgos (if I get this the right way round ...) a cojanudo has a base of morcilla (black pudding) with a quail’s egg on top and a cojanuda is similar but on a base of chorizo.
Both excellent
I find that Spanish dishes are too complicated in their seasoning and they use too much oil - I find Paella much too oily, even when superbly prepared, and I have had superbly prepared paellas.
Yes for us Spaniards the food may be a problem visiting Mexico.We all have different tastes.
I have to say I find Spanish food, at least that found along the Caminos, mostly very plain indeed.
Often it is very well prepared, but just plain.
Not enough seasoning and spice for me.
It's just a case of what we are used to, and what we like.
We're all different
One of my favourite restaurant in Madrid,Botin,the lamb is delicious, as all the food in the menu, you did well.A special meal in Madrid at Botin. I was there the first time in 1961 with my parents.
Favorite meal is gambas al aujillo with Albariño ending with manchego con membrillo. There is a bar in Compostela that has the best, with just the right amount of red pepper!
Complete agree.Padron Peppers and all the seafood in Santiago.
Please be kind, I am a late 40's English Empire baby and have certain likes and dislikes re food. I have been visiting Spain for over twenty years .. I have eaten in cheap places, I have eaten in three and four star places and I just do not like Spanish food. I have travelled at least six times around the world (I lost count) and have eaten in at least twenty countries in the world over my life, both poor and expensive and had much enjoyment, but Spanish food is just not for me - please allow me to have my own viewpoint on this subject in this forum.
I could go on ... the bread has such a hard crust that it can actually cut your palate open. That strange cold potato omelette that pilgrims rave about? Crikey! You have to be Truly hungry to swallow that! A Paella has the same taste whatever is in it because they mix and cook in the ingredients with the rice, which to me makes it heavily oily and drab. In other countries they cook the dish and then add it to the rice on your plate.
Of course, if you order a specific fish dish or a beef steak dish, you will get what people eat throughout the world and that will taste nice - but oily heavy Spanish dishes? Anhalter, I have tried them all, I really have, over two decades - and I just do not like what they do with food. On the other hand I have eaten in an immigrant worker's Portuguese community centre and restaurant in Frankfurt, invited in by respected elders, and had a Portuguese freshly fired sardine dish and it was utterly phenomenal, as were the other dishes - if the Spanish could do things like that then I would be in!
Sorry.
Desserts don’t appeal to me much at the best of times as I find them too sweet, but I never passed up the opportunity to have rice pudding if it was on the pilgrim menu which, thankfully, was fairly often....... I do find Spanish desserts not much to my taste but they are always happy to bring me cheese and fruit, which more than makes up for it.
It’s the absence of adventure. Finding something to eat, that is just like being at home. Like going to Disney, without the kids. Well, honestly, I never went there WITH them. However, we did go many places to have actual adventuresWhy? McDonalds use good belly cuts of 100% local beef with no additives except salt and pepper, fresh salads, freshly baked good bread from the country they are based in, free range eggs, free range milk, all cooked freshly to order - plus best fresh ground bean coffee at the best price in Europe ... apart from wild claims against - what is wrong with any of their menu? I like it, like it all.
If you go into a Spanish restaurant you will have food cooked in aluminium pans!! (aluminium pots and pans!! - Hello Alzheimer's) - you have no idea how fresh the ingredients are, nor where they came from, nor what quality, whether they are pesticide full or no - all lower end cafes and restaurants buy the absolute cheapest produce they can get - who knows the provenance? - so what actually is this bias against McDonalds?
Please to explain.
Oh - and the staff are really cheerful and helpful and friendly, and the toilets are immaculately clean, and they have free wi-fi!! - what is not to like??
Hi - could folks ignore my comments, and subsequent comments from others .. I shouldn't have posted after my McDonalds post (which was true by the way).
It was an answer to the word 'enjoy' in the post title and I don't want that to hijack the post.
To get it back on track, in Europe Spain is known for its fine foods and regional dishes. The Spanish in various areas are very proud of their versions of Paella, and on the coasts the villages and towns have specific recipes, different from others, for their fish dishes, of which they are very proud.
I have Camino friends who rave about the Spanish food they have eaten and I haven't met anyone who feels as I do - so, let us get back on track .... I do like Spanish hams and in Burgos their is a specific Burgos black pudding dish that is considered to be rather fine (much too oily though).
Sorry @David while being in one of the greatest countries in regards to food and quality ingredients, going to McDonalds is just not an option for me. I don't know where your dislike for spanish cuisine comes from, but generally disliking a whole countries food, specially if it has as big of a variety is just wrong in my opinion.
Personally, I'd love to have the chance to go on a food tour with you in a city someday to change your mind
(what i can understand, is to go to mcdonalds to get something familiar after weeks of new stuff)
edit: To get a good overview of the incredible variety of spanish food, i strongly recommend the channel "Spain Revealed" on Youtube. For example this video, where they sample different foods in a market:(It's all in english. They make a living selling food tours. I am not affiliated nor do i know them)
Yes I agree with your list. Spain must be third in Europe, and I think the tenth in the world (after those on the list + China, India and 2 more).Of course we had some really nice meals on Camino, but as a cuisine (from what I have seen), there are many others I would rate a lot higher.
Japanese,
Thai,
Indian,
French,
Italian,
I've got into trouble for saying this before, so I'll now duck.
Please note that English, Irish and Australian (my heritage) did not make the list
Of course there is no accounting for taste! We are all different.
Some more different than others @David
"NO, IN PAMPLOMA THEY'RE CALLED PINXO'S!" JOST FROM AMSTERDAM.Pamplona and Logrono have incredible Tapas bars. Go there, point at stuff, enjoy. If you are feeling frisky, ask for the house specialties.
Foncebadon has the Taberna Gaia. Go there.
The Cocido Maragato in Astorga might be... on the ewww side of things. On a cold day, after a long hike it hits a spot.
The different variations of Pulpo might be worth the strange texture
If a plaxe is selling xipirones/chipirones... order them Chances are higher closer to Galicia.
+1 for Caldo Gallego. In fact i cooked something similar just this weekend.
Not a recommendation with a certain place or dish, but: if they offer a specifically vegan menu, order it. I like meat a lot, after a dozen pilgrim menus i needed the change. So did my body.
Jamon Iberico de Bellota is incredibly expensive, but you need to try it once.
edit: If you see spaniards standing in line in front of a place to purchase whatever kind of food, stand in the same line. Period.
It looks like "bacalao a la vizcaina".Today making a Spanish caserole: Bacalao.
Mine too! I had it EVERY day! I love that they had the Amstel version on tap! It was such a refreshing bevy, and I recreate it at home here in Canada. Cheers!My favourite is Cevesa with Limon ...
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