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What backpack did you use?

Sally Forester

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Hi all,
I've been having a hard time finding a backpack that I like. I've been a regular at the Denver REI trying all sorts of packs! I've bought a few, loaded them with 20-23lbs of rice/water and have walked about 100+ miles with each one. My problem is they seem to be limited to Osprey and Gregory in the 30-40liter range. Wondering if there are other stores that I should visit for a wider selection? Are there other brands out there I should consider? Anyone in Denver area got a store recommendation besides REI?

I've tried:
Osprey Sirrus 36- the SM/M is too big, the XS/S is too small
Osprey Temptest 40- when loaded feels really bad on the shoulders
Gregory J38- too tight in shoulder area
Deuter 32liter- hated it

Thanks all!
 
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I used a Mammut Crea Lite 40. It was soooo comfortable I could barely tell I was wearing it. The only time I used the 40 was when I packed my boots in it for my flights. Otherwise it was at about the 30L level. This year I'll be employing more of the "shove it" method of packing and will be either using my Osprey Talon 33 (31L in my size) or my Osprey Tempest 30 (28L in my size). Hopefully I can do the same trick with my boots. I'd packed using a number of stuff sacks and noticed that the folks that only segregated their clothes from their bathroom kit from their electronics were able to pack in a much smaller space. So why am I not thinking of using my Mammut again? Not sure.
 
Maybe the weight of the load is the problem - I tend to walk in May and September - last time on the Norte my pack was Gregory 12L - weight 2.5kg in all plus up to 4L of water


Sleeping bag liner instead of sleeping bag is a great way to keep your pack size down
 
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I've also had a hard time finding a comfortable pack, and finally settled on a ULA Circuit. It's about 55 liters, but some of that size is outside pockets. Compresses well for smaller loads, and is lightweight. Straps, waist and packed can all be sized separately. Well-padded and very comfortable, with shoulder straps designed for women. I am carrying about 15 lbs in it, including bag and liner.
 
I bought sight unseen a Gossamergear Mariposa ... It was PERFECT! Ultralight, plenty big enough, in fact roomy but easy to compact for a smaller load. Internal frame and a customizable belt ...and TOUGH. I put it thru the wringer and it still looks new ... So comfortable I would forget it was there. Weighed about 800 grams so MUCH lighter than my husbands osprey 38 and he said during the Camino he liked my pack better. I bought the Mariposa because I needed a smaller pack but a larger belt as I am plus sized a regular bag would never fit me properly... I felt the slightly smaller volume gorilla was what I should get but went with the slightly larger Mariposa "just in case" and it was a hood decision after all, fancy that! ... My pack was not full BUT it was compact and if needed I could expand it... Very very comfy ... I was worried initially, before it arrived but I'd do it again happily now that I know how good they are ... I love my pack and I am now using it on our boat. Excellent customer service as well but alas you have to order online ...not sold in any stores .... I'd STILL recommend it tho

Ps: the gorilla might work for a normal sized person .... But because I am larger my clothes , what few I did take ...occupy a larger volume than a small person's would ... Or some one able to get those fancy technical clothes and stuff .... I had to make do with regular clothes ... No cool zip off trousers for me sadly .... I still might recommend the mariposa tho ... It was nice to not have to cram stuff in or worry about not having room ... And truthfully since weight was not an issue why not get the larger ...just make sure you stick to your packing list ...just cause you have the room doesn't mean you have to fill it
 
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I'm not sure you have seen the z-pack arc blast. The volume is of no consequence at all, because it has all sorts of compression cords to shrink it down to daypack size if you want. In the photo, the z-pack on the right is actually bigger than the Osprey on the left. And less than half the weight.

The model shown has a big mesh outside compartment, two side bottle slots and a top zipper flap compartment, and a full frame. The whole thing is waterproof and needs no cover.

 
Deuter 32 L in October and November, and it was so hot in October that I sent my sleeping bag on to Ivar, which I later regretted as I was lying in Hospital (west of O'Cebreiro) freezing my everything off!

I would walk with my 32 L again, but wish that I had 36 L to play with---not that I need extra stuff, but it would be helpful for keeping the bag in there with my very, very few things.

Also: make sure, when choosing a pack, that you are happy with how you will be drinking water. My water holders on the sides of the Deuter are way too far away for me to get at them while walking.
 
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Most packs now have drawstrings or straps that allow for collapsing the size of your pack. This is great for adjusting your load and allows you to have a pack for many uses. A good pack, too, will have easily accessible pouches and outside pockets, great for reaching a snack or to keep your guidebook or a poncho at hand.
One other side note: in the picture that newfydog shared, the poles in the side pouch are pointing up. Ug! I prefer the points away from my head. Osprey packs, as one example, have a nice bungie system on the left shoulder strap to carry them--points down.
 
Ouch, just looking at that makes me want to pray that she does not fall---and hurt herself badly.
 
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Is there a reason for you to carry that much weight? I am down to about 12 lbs. minus H2O. this makes a difference in the fit and carry of the pack.

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Sally Forester said:
Hi all,
I've been having a hard time finding a backpack that I like...snip... Anyone in Denver area got a store recommendation besides REI?
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Hi Sally, others have given advice about particular packs, which is good. But as you know, you need to actually try any pack on, get it properly fitted, and then walk around with it loaded for as long as possible. To answer your question about other stores in Denver, you might try Sierra Designs or Eastern Mountain Sports (Google for location nearest you).

You didn't say which Denver REI you tried, but when we were getting outfitted for the Camino, we found the main store downtown had the best selection of backpacks and other gear (although we also did a lot of shopping at the Lakewood store). There is a sales rep at the downtown store named Travis who helped us a lot when it came to selecting and fitting our backpacks. Travis recently completed the Camino Francés, so he not only has the "book learning" about packs and other Camino gear, he also has the "been there, done that" experience first-hand.

Finally, I don't know if you're a member of the local APOC chapter, but the chapter is having a Pack-It Workshop and Gear Swap/Sale this Saturday, January 16, 2016, 9:00 AM to 1:00 PM at Christ on the Mountain Catholic Church in Lakewood. See http://www.americanpilgrims.org/colorado-front-range-chapter for details (scroll down to "Events").
 
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@sally, Berghaus 35L. Works great for me. I also have a 45L and a 60L. All Berghaus. They are well made. Buen Camino
 
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If you want light weight, nothing comes close to the Z-pack. They will customize it to fit.
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I tried three packs (all local brands with side or back pockets) before getting a zPacks Arc Blast 52L. You supply the key measurement and they make to fit your back. Then the usual strap adjustments for girth around the chest and waist.

I got mine in May 2015 and have done nearly 900 km in training mode and it is still good.
 
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But, apart from the zero packs, they are all at least 45L - and that's too large for most of the year
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In common with many "artisan" makers zPacks include the outside pockets in the capacity measure.

zPacks web site says the inside capacity of an Arc Blast 52L is 39L . The remainder is made up in the estimated capacity of the three outside pockets.

And there are side and bottom cords that can be tightened to reduce that capacity or keep the load restrained up the range of your back rather than all falling to the bottom.
See the first image at this address http://www.zpacks.com/backpacks.shtml

Of course it depends on how much you compress the sleeping bag in particular as to how much capacity you need / use. I've chosen to use a more generous dry sac to make it easier to pack my sleeping bag each morning. This takes extra space and just a few grams extra weight.
 
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make sure, when choosing a pack, that you are happy with how you will be drinking water. My water holders on the sides of the Deuter are way too far away for me to get at them while walking.
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From reading a similar thread, last month I purchased on line, for a whole US 13.00, a "SmarTube" drinking system for bottles. http://www.bluedesert.co.il/

You get a mouth piece, 1 metre (40 inch) tube and three caps to adapt to many bottle sizes. You supply the bottle to suit your needs. I got a 1.5L fizzy drink bottle (available from most food shops you will walk past when you need a replacement).

In the past for me, replenishing the bladder meant unpacking the top half of the pack at least, refilling, replacing the wide "cap", then the awkward procedure of bleeding air to keep it slim, and re-positioning in the pack.

Now, unscrew the cap, take the bottle out of a side pocket, refill, replace in a side pocket, refit the cap.

And with the tube I can take a sip or more on demand. And when I stop every hour or so I can see the water level.
 
My pack of personal choice is the Deuter Futura 28L as it has the size, comfort and durability i want. It's travelled thousands of kms with me and has endured -40 to +40 C temps along with the day to day pounding it had to take along the way. Only one minor tear but that one is on me (gotta love that duct tape). The Aircomfort Flexlite back system works well enough, especially on those hot hot days. It has a built-in rain cover that although not a 10/10 does work in a light rain. It's heavier than i'd like (1180g) but has not caused me any grief. It's smaller size keeps my over-packing in check but holds everything that i'd ever need to take with me. It is setup to accommodate a hydration system but i have never used it - i like my water bottled. Remember that like most things in life - there is no "perfect" (especially back packs). Proper fit is numero uno with me so i'd strongly advise to not purchase online unless you have actually tried on (with weight) the particular model you choose - before you hit that buy button - your shoulders and back will thank you.
Overall i would probably give this pack a B rating (B+ if it was less expensive).

 
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Sally Forester said:
... loaded them with 20-23lbs of rice/water ...
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J F Gregory said:
Is there a reason for you to carry that much weight? I am down to about 12 lbs. minus H2O. this makes a difference in the fit and carry of the pack.
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As a result of reading the many posts on numerous other threads and picking over the book SYates co-authored I have got my weight to just on 7 kg including an 0.8 kg tent (with poles, pegs and air mattress) and 1.5L (= 1.5 kg) of water. Without those two items this is just on 4.7 kg. (about 10 lb !!!???).

And this is to work for me for the five to six months I will be in Europe in the 2016 northern summer. So I have my 10" tablet (at 0.4 kg) included in that 4.7kg.

A major factor is getting a light weight but otherwise regular pack. As noted in posts above this is an Arc Blast from zPacks coming in at 0.6 kg without compromising on quality or convenience. This weight compares with most packs of similar capacity in the shops coming in at around 1.6 kg (although a few are lighter).

I also bought the optional shoulder pouches (for nail clippers, stick of pain relief tablet, compeed, head lamp and other small things) and belt pouches (for phone and camera). So I have minimized the need to open the pack during the day.

Since I got Arc Blast in May 2015 I've done nearly 900 km in training including a recent multi day shake down trip.

And it is still in good shape. And is easy to carry and the mesh screen keeps the pack away from my back.
 
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SYates said:
Now proud owner of an Osprey exo 58, a bit large but fits me perfectly and enough space to pack up with souvenirs in Santiago ;-) Buen Camino, SY
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Good choice! I have used it for several caminos and last year bought a new 48l that I used on my camino in May. Missed the outside sidepockets of my old one but ..... I have tried other backpacks but always return to my Osprey Exos.
 
Life is strange. How often do you hear someone say about a lost possession: "I found it in the last place I looked". There is a very logical reason for this phenomenon.

Similarly, once you have found what works for you you stop looking. Even though someone else may have a tool that will work significantly better for you.

So it seems to be with back packs, shoes, sox, water systems, whatever. How often do you read "The 'you name it' works for me and is the best in the world", or similar. I take those to mean the object will suit you if you have the exact same attributes and needs / wants as the contributor, including living in the same location with the same retail shops close by.

In my case I wanted the lightest durable "normal" pack I could find. And it took two years of searching. And then summoning up the sinews to buy on line from the manufacturer half a world away.

Something I would NOT do for shoes for any purpose.
 

A lot of why this works for you will be in your pack list. Especially when travelling beyond Winnipeg.

Are you able to share your pack list, please?
 
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Wait, you have a colection of backpacks? And here I was feeling guilty for owning two (lots of new materials sonce 2007, love my lighter Osprey, even if it doesn't have wrap around zipper. The 750g or so I save make me a happy girl.
 
I have several packs from 10l to 65l, but for the Camino it depends on the time of year and the amount of clothing needed for the weather conditions.

I will be on the Camino Frances again this year in May and June. Last year at the same time I used my Berghaus 35l Capacitor, but this year I will be using my Osprey 48l Exos.

The weather will be OK to take a lightweight pack around 5 or 6 kgs.
 
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AlwynWellington said:
A lot of why this works for you will be in your pack list. Especially when travelling beyond Winnipeg.

Are you able to share your pack list, please?
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Including what i wear to my destination, my initial outgoing clothing pack list follows a "Noah's Ark" approach - only 2 of each - 2 pairs merino/syn blend socks, 2 pairs underwear, 2 pairs long pants (1 zipoff to shorts), 2-short sleeve shirts, 2-long sleeve shirts.
Non clothing items are - iPhone/charger, toothbrush/toothpaste, bar soap/towel, duct tape, Swiss Army knife, gum, documents.
After just a few days anywhere, i have a very good take on what i may have to add, delete or change to that list (most locations are in a constant state of flux with weather and such) and unless i'm in the Gobi Desert or the Borneo jungles there is always a place to obtain what i may additionally require.
That's my basic theory on what to pack - add as required (buy as you go) or discard as required.
As far as i can recall i have never completely filled my 28L pack.
Cheers.
 
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Including what i wear to my destination, my initial outgoing clothing pack list follows a "Noah's Ark" approach - only 2 of each
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This is very simple indeed. But it is only everyday clothing.

I cannot see, for example:
  • sleeping bag - this seems essential in Autumn at least
  • protection from cold / wind
  • protection from rain
  • pack cover for rain
  • water
I congratulate you on your constitution if you do not need these on any of your trips.
 
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I may eventually add all that you have listed and more (water's a given) but....
I always start initially packing what i know i will need from my past experiences on the road.
When i get to my destination, say SJPdP, i will re-assess what i require, usually weather related (local advice always works here), and make adjustments there.
I've never been a fan of "just in case" and don't want to be carrying something from Central Canada to Southern France if i never have to use it or it's the wrong item to bring.
If i do get cold or wet for a brief time i will just consider it part of the experience and purchase what's necessary earliest opportunity.
It's my "buy as you go" approach but i always make sure that i am adequately prepared against the elements.
Cheers.
 
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SYates said:
Now proud owner of an Osprey exo 58, a bit large but fits me perfectly and enough space to pack up with souvenirs in Santiago ;-) Buen Camino, SY
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Hello, you should ask some money to Osprey and Globetrotter because the Osprey exo 58 are "Nicht mehr verfügbar" online
A couple of days ago, they still were.
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I'm starting the Camino in late March. I'm just back from my first hike with my new Berghaus Explorer 40L. I did a lot of research on before choosing this one. I can't fault it. It's fully adjustable for your size and load. Plenty of pockets, access from the bottom to a separate zipped compartment, waterproof cover, zipped pockets in the waist band for easy access to small items and very comfortable. I would recommend it.
 
I bought an Osprey Atmos (female version has a different name) 50 litre which is bigger than needed for the Camino but I wanted one big enough for backpacking trips in the BC wilderness. I absolutely love this pack. But what your post made me wonder was whether you made sure that each pack was properly adjusted. My pack had an owners manual that I had to download, with very detailed instructions on how to fit it to my particular body. If I had not gone through the whole process it could have made a huge difference on the way.
 
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I love my Gossamer Gear Mariposa as well. I'm not a big person and didn't have much clothes with me but i like to have some extra space in the backpack to carry food etc. I have used my Mariposa on several hikes the last three years now and it is nice both filled and less filled.
 
i used an osprey 50l anti gravity...no where near full...felt great
 
willydp said:
Hello, you should ask some money to Osprey and Globetrotter because the Osprey exo 58 are "Nicht mehr verfügbar" online
A couple of days ago, they still were.
You have a lot of followers
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Cough! And I got my second hand from a Camino friend Buen Camino, SY
 
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For doing Camino del Norte I used my ULA Ohm pack that weighs 32 oz. My pack's total weight when I started walking was 11.8 lbs. and it stayed pretty much the same all the way to SDC.
In April I will walk again and this time I'll take my ULA Ohm2 that weighs the same as the original one; the only thing extra I carried and will leave behind is a sarong, didn't need it. My total carrying weight - including pack should be again less than 12 pounds.
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I did it for shoes...bought my Lowa Renegades from REI (shipped to Australia) have worn them on 100kms in 3 day hike in Victoria and the Overland Track in Tasmania...not a single problem with them...my The North Face boots for the Camino ('15) gave me so much grief I wore my Teva sandals from Burgos to SdC...I get what you're saying though, I did stacks of research...and REI return policy is great if nec.
My pack for the Camino is a Osprey Aura 50 we became friends after the first 2 days, as I had never packed it or hiked in it before I left SJPdP!
 
 
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We completed 100 km of the Portuguese Camino Oct. 2015. We both had 40 L Yellowstone Backpacks which were ample for the walk . The Backpack had two zipped openings which made it easy to access without taking everything out. It was lightweight and easy to carry. These backpacks are available on Amazon from £ 23-£30. I had a bulky sleeping bag which I attached to the bottom of the Backpack. There is a rain over which comes with the Backpack.
 
Sally, the "boutique" US companies like ULA, Gossamer Gear and Z Pack all have good phone customer service and detailed on-line fitting. Most allow you to size or customize waist belt, pack and straps separately. Some (ULA does) have free shipping to you, so your cost if you return would just be the shipping. I couldn't find a pack that was comfortable in my local gear stores, either, so I ended up buying online and it worked out fine.

Don't necessarily rule a pack out by its liter size being too big, as these ultralight packs include outside pockets as part of their total volume. Plus they roll-down and compress better than most packs, so you can carry less stuff (I have just 15 lbs of Camino gear in my 68 liter Circuit) in a larger liter pack of these designs. In these brands, a larger pack is actually quite light--mine weighs just over 2.3 lbs. The very comfortable straps and waistband on the ULA Circuit made the extra weight over the Exos 48 (which was not comfortable for me, not enough padding in the straps) a trade-off that made sense.

Online you can read many reviews and comparisons of the favorite U.S. made ultralight packs: ULA Circuit and Ohm, Gossamer Gear Gorilla and Mariposa, and the Z Pack Arc Blast seem to be the most popular. Granite Gear is another good ultralight pack, and I think REI does sell them.
 
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@Jim - thanks so much for the reply. I'll have to hunt down Travis at REI. Funny enough, this weekend I decided to try the Osprey Tempest again- this time with all my Camino gear vs 20lb of rice. The pack felt so much better! So I think I might be good. I was taking on a "Rocky" approach by training with so much weight, figuring it would be good for me. LOL. Wish I could have attended the packing workshop but was skiing 2ft of powder at Vail! Today attempted a walk around the edges of Dillon Resv.- but so much snow! Only got 8 miles and it was a slog. Getting my mileage in during ski season is hard! Hope to make the next packing workshop!
 
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@Jim - thanks so much for the reply. I'll have to hunt down Travis at REI. Funny enough, this weekend I decided to try the Osprey Tempest again- this time with all my Camino gear vs 20lb of rice. The pack felt so much better!
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Have you ever tried a backpack in a shop! Did they fill it with a bag of rice? Or rather specially made material to mimick the weight of the pack with correct distribution?

May I recommend doing some reasearch of how to properly pack ypur backpack? It may make your walk mîuch more pleasant. Usually heavy stuff at the bottom and along the back of the pack.

Glad you gave your pack a second chance!
 
Love my Arc blast 60, compresses down to same size as my Deuter 36 pro but is 1.2Kg lighter.
 
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Another reason to spend money to save 500g? I figure I should lose the weight and save my pennies, but oh is this ever tempting. Then again, they haven't "pinked it" up! I really need to have a Camino "garage equipment sale" and keep buying new stuff.
 
David said:
Does anyone know anything about these?

Terra Nova Laser 35litre - weighs just 476 gms! - http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/packs-rucksacks-poles/all-packs/laser-35-pack/?c=16022
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David, I have not encountered this product.

There were aspects about that product, and others, on their web site I would want clarified.

Weight: they quote a minimum weight but do NOT quote the weight with all features installed. Some of these do not seem optional.

Sternum (Breast) strap: all photos are from the back with a quarter view of the side. So there is no images of that part of the pack you have most contact with. In my experiences, a sternum strap is vital in taking weight off the shoulders themselves. There seem to be oblique references to it and no images. Similarly for the waist band.

Frame: a lot of weight saving arises from no frame. So the removable foam back pad (50 gram) may not be sufficient protection against angular items (chargers), or full items (sleeping bag) or whatever. Packs without frames are often called "kidney bashers", with good cause.

But at GBP 60 it may not be too painful to experiment.
 
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I am an avid scuba diver, and not in aquariums like the caribbean, or Sharm, but in more remote sites, veru remote sites. On those "liveaboard" trips, being a woman, I am in a minority. And I keep hearing "I use this mix of gases" and "went this deep" on " this remote site", "you have never dived this site if you have never dived x", and the classic "it was THIS big", when it was a sardine.

Please tell me this forum is not also about testosterone induced psychosis leading to hallucinations. "My bag ks lighter than yours" sounds like the sandbox to me, after we have established the sandbox id the size of Spain, its height, that of the Leopolder col, and width under 20pounds ina backpack.

No?
 
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I am an avid scuba diver, and not in aquariums like the caribbean, or Sharm, but in more remote sites, veru remote sites. ?
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You are right. This forum has nothing to do with who dives in really great places, so much better than the Cariribean. Now, if it is ok, back to backpack discussion.
 


Alwyn, I felt the same about the photos, only from the front! - also, why do they never mention the back length? For me it is really important to get that fit right. No stockist near me - nearest is about 150 miles and I don't fancy buying a pack without trying it on first! I just found a video for it and it does seem to have pretty good shoulder and sternum straps .. though in the comments he mentions that the compression cord anchors failed! - which has rather put me off. I am on a lightweight pack search - I just returned from Italy and weighed my pack and it is 1.67 kilos empty!! I can lose a kilo there easily, if I can find the right pack

Anyway, here the video -
 
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Deuter Guide 40+. Brilliant pack, light and has a spine that flexes with body movement. Cool in hot weather and lots of places to hang things off. I carried 15lb comfortably (a little over 10% bw). Definitely would not go any heavier.
 
Definitely take a look at some of the "cottage" backpack makers. GossamerGear and ULA both make great packs. My ULA pack was to big for the Camino, but the GossamerGear Gorilla worked great for October. Personally I like packs with large external mesh pockets to carry my rain gear plus for stashing layers I take off as the day progresses.
 
Anemone del Camino said:
Wait, you have a colection of backpacks? And here I was feeling guilty for owning two (lots of new materials sonce 2007, love my lighter Osprey, even if it doesn't have wrap around zipper. The 750g or so I save make me a happy girl.
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I have a "collection" because after 40 years of carrying/rolling around suitcases when I traveled, about 4-5 years ago I said #*@$ this and went back to only carrying backpacks. And I never ever EVER pay MSRP! (Manufacturer suggested retail price)
edited to add current collection = Camelbak Arete 18L with bladder bag stripped out and added a key keeper, Osprey Talon 33 (31L in S. I got this one soooo cheap that I couldn't say no), Osprey Tempest 30 (28L in XS), Mammut Crea Light 30/40 (used this last camino). I did have a Lowe Alpine Centro 33+10L but gave it to my DIL and saved over 500g in the deal.
 
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I'm having a difficult choice in choosing packs. I like the fit of the Gregory Z series (Z40 & Z55) and the Osprey Exos 48... has anyone completed the Camino with any of these packs? Any guidance would be appreciated! I am going on the Camino in Sept 2016.
 
Only just seen your question so sorry for the late answer...
Yes, I have an Exos 48, brilliant pack imo. Very light, good pockets, good ventilation and fitted me well.
I am looking at changing it though as it has done a lot of kms.
If you have shops that store the packs you're interested in near you, I thoroughly recommend you try them on fully loaded. You may find one is more comfortable than the other.
 
I’d like to mention a few additional points.

In regards to backpack size, start with comfort and functionality and don’t get too focused on weight and/or capacity size. These are issues, but people tend to over analyze these factors, and throw comfort and functionality out the window. Remember, that 800km is a long way to walk with a poorly fitting and uncomfortable backpack. You can carry 5kg in a poorly fitting backpack and suffer strain daily, and you can carry 10kg in a larger bag and actually feel less strain; or vice versa. There are a number of variables to consider when choosing the right pack for you.

Also keep in mind shoulder straps and system suspension loads. Often, a slightly larger backpack, will have better shoulder straps, hip support and will distribute a properly packed bag better, which places less stress on your back and shoulders.

Which brings up the final point – how to properly pack your backpack. I simply cannot count the amount of pilgrims whose packs are stuffed to the brim, kit everywhere and carried sideways, and/or any multitude of positions on their backs.

You need to take the time to learn how to pack and organise your kit, as accessibility and proper weight distribution can make all the difference for a comfortable journey.

Heavy weight needs to be placed higher towards the shoulders and directly against your back, with light items lower and away from your back. This allows your hips to support the weight and takes the strain off your shoulders.

Just my 2-cents
 
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Heavy weight should be places near the top? Are you sure? I have always heard it the opposite, which is why packing the night before becomes difficult when you have to pack sleepingbag, toiletries and evening shoes at the bottom of the pack.
 
Anemone del Camino said:
Heavy weight should be places near the top? Are you sure? I have always heard it the opposite, which is why packing the night before becomes difficult when you have to pack sleepingbag, toiletries and evening shoes at the bottom of the pack.
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A heavy load in the bottom of your pack places considerable strain on your shoulders and lower back. When we carry our backpacks, we have a natural tendency to lean slightly forward. Having weight directly against your back, distributed evenly and higher towards your shoulders, allows the pack and hip suspension to manage the load for you as designed. If packed lower and outwards, your shoulders take the brunt of the weight, which compresses your spine and causes all sorts of associated issues.
 
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Honestly, when walking the CF nothing in your pack should really be all that much heavier than anything else. Not so much so that it would require an elaborate loading procedure. It's not a cargo aircraft requiring a precise center of balance. I mean c'mon, how much stuff ya haulin?
Put the stuff your less likely to use that day at the bottom, and the stuff you access the most at the top.
And this is to all the pilgrims and prospective pilgrims out there, don't do a backpack arrangement and inventory during the wee hours in the sleeping area whilst fellow pilgrims are still trying to snooze. Take your stuff to the common area of the albergue or go outside.
 
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Ouch, that pack costs over 300 bucks.
 
“ …elaborate loading procedure.” That’s funny

I try to inform people to a correct method, so they can avoid unnecessary injuries. If you tell people to pack any which way, regardless of weight (trivial or not), simply sets the wrong precedence.

Learning to pack properly, is not a difficult procedure at all and in fact becomes second nature in a short amount of time. However, improper packing will cause you problems.

If we teach the correct method from the beginning, we are helping in a positive way and not hindering people.

Cheers,
 
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Hum.... Not what REI suggests.
 
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Anemone del Camino said:
Hum.... Not what REI suggests.
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The following site, has a written and graphic demonstration: http://www.wildbackpacker.com/backpacking-gear/backpacks/how-to-pack-a-backpack/

Additionally, this REI site discusses packing as well, under the section heading of “Packing the Core of Your Backpack”, although it’s a general overview:
https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/loading-backpack.html

The idea is to ensure you have proper weight support and distribution of your kit. You need to manage this concept with items you require more readily than others. Once you understand the basic principle of packing your gear properly, you’ll have a more enjoyable journey, and more importantly, less stress on your body.

HTHs
 
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Ouch, that pack costs over 300 bucks
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And worth every cent.

I've used my zPacks ArcBlast 52 litre (40 litre in the main bag) for nearly a year now and done more than 1,000 km with it. It is extremely light weight and extremely durable and extremely comfortable.

@Mark Lee, from earlier posts I understand you like to do things as cheap as possible. And you may be have a lot more stamina and weight carrying capacity than some/many of us.

Compared to the airfares and other costs of getting to a start point from my home, judging packs against your standard is just not helpful, as your standard just seems like penny pinching (ouch!)

Ultreia (continue striving)
Ke kaha (be strong/brave)
Bon chemin (travel well)
 
No no, not at all. I'm in no way a "cheap charlie #10" Just ask my exe's . My main beef with the "Gucci gear" is that there are so many prospective pilgrims out there on very tight budgets. Scrimping and saving just to get a flight and transportation to Spain, with little to spend on equipment. I met a lot of pilgrims like that on my Caminos. Especially some of the young ones. Eating canned chicken and fish and bread. No vino tinto with a three course for them every night. I don't want anyone to think they have to spend a king's ransom or sell a kidney on the black market just to walk the Camino. When I walked it in 2014 I met a pilgrim who had bought all his gear at Wal-Mart. Probably didn't drop 100 bucks on it total, and he was trekking right along.
Yeah, sure. If one's got a bunch of disposable income and can afford the high end stuff, why not. But for the "po folks" out there, please don't think ya gotta "keep up with the Jones's" and have expensive gear on the Camino.
I wonder what the retail cost of a wool tunic, wool hat, leather belt and shoes, and a gourd on a stick would be these days?
cheers
 
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Well, considering I have been out with my backpack on the Caminos 5 times already with not a single day od my scoliosed back acting up I must know how to pack my gear properly, have enjoyed my journeys and not have stressed my poor back.
 
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Heavy weight needs to be placed higher towards the shoulders and directly against your back, with light items lower and away from your back. This allows your hips to support the weight and takes the strain off your shoulders.
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I don't think this is a complete explanation of the compromises involved in a good packing plan, and I also think there are better explanations for what affects the weight transfer to the hips.

Any packing plan is a tradeoff between static stability, dynamic stability and accessibility.
  • static stability is about keeping the pack centre of gravity as close to one's back as possible to reduce the lean from the waist necessary with most packs to ensure that the centre of gravity falls within the contact patch of one's feet when walking. Packing heavier items, like water bladders, close to the back and lighter items further away is the best way to achieve this. This will also reduce the turning moment that pulls the pack back at the shoulders. All other things being equal, the further the centre of gravity is away from the back, the greater the load that will be carried by the shoulders.
  • dynamic stability - ensuring the the centre of gravity is kept as low as possible in the pack so that when walking, the overall centre of gravity of your body plus your pack has not increased so much that any swaying motion makes you unstable. This would suggest that heavy items are concentrated as low in the pack as possible, and not placed higher up. Some relatively heavy items might have to be packed higher, but it would be a mistake to do that with all of them.
  • accessibility - having those things most likely to be used closest to an access point. In single compartment designs, this is the top of the pack. Two compartment designs give greater flexibility here, as do having zippered access points or side pouches. It also means putting those things that are not ever going to be needed during the day as far away from an access point as possible. That would include items like sleeping bags etc.
So a reasonable plan, assuming that if you are using a water bladder it is in a hydration sleeve next to your back, is:
  • pack a sleeping bag at the very bottom of the pack, together with your sandals or 'evening shoes'
  • immediately above the sleeping bag and as close to the back as possible, all the relatively heavy (dense) items like your toilet bag, phone chargers, spare batteries, etc.
  • further out, clothing items that don't need to be accessed during the day
  • above that and close the back, items like first aid kit and food, camera if you are carrying it in the pack rather than elsewhere on your body, etc.
  • further out at the top, clothing items like rain gear or other lighter items like one's fleece.
I normally then only carry small items like chapstick, insect repellent, chocolate or muesli bars and the like in the lid pouch.
 
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All good points Doug, and certainly better explained. I wasn’t trying to provide an in-depth approach to how to pack, but a general understanding to help people, as we are usually dealing with lesser weights on the Camino, compared to other trekking adventures.
 
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Anemone del Camino -
It seems you’ve taken offence and/or misconstrued my information. I’ve applied nothing personal towards you or how you approach packing your own kit. Again, I was simply trying to provide an understanding of the mechanics of packing in a manner which helps.
 
I just find your posts tend to be a bit ... Selfrighteous? You are teaching, and it's your way or the highway? Here again, you are providing information "which helps", rather than expaling how you do things, what works for you, and yet acknowleging that things that may be very different than how you do things can work, and have worked, very well for others. One has to be careful when spreading the truth around.
 
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Anemone del Camino – I’m sorry you perceived my intentions and information in this way. I understand and appreciate that many pack their kit as they wish, and it does indeed work; especially for lessor loads. Again, my intentions were not to tell anyone how to back their own kit, but to provide a brief overview of the fundamentals of packing. The idea being, with the principles in place, one can then play with how they pack their kit, in the hope of lessening the strain on their shoulders and back.

I come from a military background, where our loads can be anywhere from 30-pounds (13kg) to well over a 100lbs (45+kg), so it was key in our profession to apply these proven principles. That does not mean that individually one cannot arrange their kit in a manner that suits them. Flexibility is key, but understanding and applying the basic principles, helps to lessen any potential strain considerably, regardless of weight load.

Having said all that, I understand that I tend to write in a forthright manner, which some may take in a way unintended. If that’s the case, then I apologise.

Take care and have a great day!

Cheers,
Dave
 
I found this graphic model, which may provide a visual explanation, far better than my inadequate attempts to verbally explain. I tend to present something in far too short of a comprehensible explanation; so my hope is a picture will cover my shortcomings.
 

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My main beef with the "Gucci gear" is that there are so many prospective pilgrims out there on very tight budgets.
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The forum is for everyone. The same pilgrim who was on a really tight budget as a young lady, and took public transportation across Iran and Afghanistan to India may now be nearly 70, and carrying that "Gucci gear" over a pass in the Himalayas. It couldn't have been done by her with $100 of gear from WalMart. Some of us welcome and need the info on the lightest gear. It lets us do things we couldn't physically do anymore otherwise. Others welcome info on the most affordable gear. It lets them do things they couldn't afford otherwise. Hopefully we can help out all pilgrims here.
 
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I fly out 3 weeks and finally trial packed my <30L pack to 100% kit including my boots (won't put those on for flying). Everything fits. Now I am second guessing myself and thinking I should maybe just use the same successful 40L Mammut I used last time. So what if I had extra room. With the <30L I won't. I do have one more pack with a little over 31L and it still doesn't buy me much room!!
 
It's funny that you say this, while at the same time making sure we know the places you dive are "not in aquariums like the Caribbean"
 
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Mark Lee said:
Ouch, that pack costs over 300 bucks.
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I'm a wannebe/newbie to all this......in the process of researching and planning. Can you suggest a backpack that won't break my bank account? Thanks, Mel
 
Mark Lee said:
I don't want anyone to think they have to spend a king's ransom or sell a kidney on the black market just to walk the Camino.
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Researching some of the packs suggested in this post, I would have to sell a kidney to go.........or just stay home. After I pay airfare and put back a daily allowance, I won't have an extra $200-300 to drop on a backpack. Was it this expensive for the original pilgrims? Looking for a moderately priced pack, can you help?
 
Look for a previously loved one (used). Many do one Camino and have no itention of ever using their bag again. There is a section here and I think FB page for this.
 
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Keep an eye on the outlet pages of your retailers, too - I just got an Osprey Pack for less than $70 on REI Outlet - I'm hoping it will work for the camino! I also backpack camp in the states (carrying tent, stove, etc) and got my MountainSmith pack on REI outlet for less than $100. I got lucky that it's worked out really well, fit-wise as I didn't try it on beforehand.
 
Don't know where you live, but if you live in the US you can search amazon.com and get packs for way less than $200-$300. Check out this brand. Looks pretty good for the money. I wouldn't hesitate to walk the Camino with it. In fact I walked my first Camino from SJPdP to Santiago with a frameless $40.00 pack I bought in a PX in Kandahar, Afghanistan. Worked for me, but I definitely recommend going the framed pack route as they have a padded hip belt which gets the weight off your shoulders.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YOL80YE/?tag=casaivar02-20

cheers and ultreia
 
MeliCunn said:
I'm a wannebe/newbie to all this......in the process of researching and planning. Can you suggest a backpack that won't break my bank account? Thanks, Mel
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Is there a Camino chapter near you? Any other pilgrims/hikers in your neighborhood? You could buy/borrow a backpack from them. One backpack I do have and can recommend is this one http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YHTOLVY/?tag=casaivar02-20 but like always it is important that the backpack is comfortable for you and what is comfortable for me might not be comfortable for you. Buen Camino, SY
 
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Recently hiked the Inca Trail in Peru with a backpack that I bought at a yard sale for $1 US. Headed to SJPDP in two weeks and still wondering which of my packs I should use. Not worried about weight as in 2014 I quickly adjusted to pack and weight never bothered me--even carried a liter of water from SJPDP to Santiago without opening it. My novia swears that the next time she walks the Camino she is carrying a hair dryer and a BIG plush towel and will not worry about weight.

On last Camino, I loved the Koreans as they carry BIG packs and bring everything! On one cold morning the Korean girls pulled out earmuffs to wear!
 
I'm an Osprey guy. Their packs just fit me. I keep buying new ones and justifying each purchase to my girlfriend with lame reasons that only make sense to me. She just rolls her eyes and says yeah yeah yeah, pats my head and leaves the room as I admire myself wearing said pack in the full length mirror. Yes. I'm a pack addict. I've got a problem. Lol.

That being said, I'm torn between brining my Osprey Stratos 34, my Exos 38 or my Talon 44 when I walk my Camino next year. Hmm.
 
i used an osprey 50 anti gravity...i loved that it was roomy to get to all my stuff and yes i was careful not to use that extra room
 
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I also have (only 2) Osperys.
My day pack (Mira 28) and my Camino pack (Altus 50)--really really like them both.
The only complaint I have is the hip belt, which could be better padded--I get sores on my hipbones if I'm not careful. Does anyone else have this problem? Is it adjustment?
 
@Michael Borisavljevic
I walked the camino frances last fall with a Gregory Z40, bought on sale for about $140 Can. weighs 1.3 k. The size is perfect for me and the frame provides good support. I shall be using it when I head off again next month.
 
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james walter purdum iv said:
i used an osprey 50 anti gravity...i loved that it was roomy to get to all my stuff and yes i was careful not to use that extra room
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It may be overkill for the Camino, but the Atmos 50AG is actually next on my list of packs to get. Lol. I recently tried it on at the local REI...and REALLY liked it. Walked around in the store for an hour with it fully loaded, and it felt like nothing on my back. I wouldn't say I'm an ultra lite hiker, but I definitely have adopted a "less is more" philosophy lately, so 50L would probably be the biggest size pack I'd want to get. However, I am a big guy, at 6'4" tall and 230lbs...so 50L is not that huge on me. Or maybe I'm just trying to justify buying yet another pack? Heh heh heh
 
Hi Sally
Similar issue. I have done two caminos with a Lowe Alpine 40l that could go to 45l. Lots of space with top and side entry. However it weights 1.5kg and I am determined with my next walk in Portugal in September to get the weight down. I tried some REI packs and Osprey and finally settled on a 30lt Lowe Alpine pack with an external frame keeping the load off my back. Weights just on 1 kg. Good padding and a rain cover in the base. Plan on maximum of 8kg including 1lt water wich weights 1kg. Have done a lot of walking with it and so far so good. I have found how tightening the straps and pulling it onto mys shoulders works well, but needed the store expert to really fit it correctly. Also if not on the correct part of my hips it hurt my lower back, a few millimetres can make quite a difference to how comfortable it is.
Good luck
Mark
 
totally agree...it was a feather to carry
 
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