Using a larger Backpack, just not filling it up. Thoughts?

[StumpyDave]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

 

[Doug Bowne]

after 6 casinos I am still happy with a Granite Gear Crown 2 - 60 L. Larger than needed, easy to pack and with compression straps to reduce the bulk it works fine. I have to fold over the top to comply with a carry-on for the airlines.

 

[alipilgrim]

Of course! Use what you have and what is comfortable. I get so tired of people trying to tell others that their pack is too big over the internet. They have no idea how it fits, how voluminous the stuff you're taking is (not I referred to volume, not weight!), how much money you have invested in it, how strong you are, etc. If it works for you then that's all that matters.

 

[VNwalking]

Yes. It's fine, no matter what an opinionated vocal minority of the Tiny Pack Brigade will say. Feel free to ignore their howls of outrage.

It just takes discipline not to fill the space, is all. Then you save money for other uses, and the world from one small contribution to the consumerist demand for new things that is drowning our precious world in trash.
Win-win.

 

[Tincatinker]

Just beware of Pilgrim Family members asking if you wouldn't mind "carrying their lunch"....

 

[C clearly]

could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?

Certainly!

an opinionated vocal minority of the Tiny Pack Brigade will say. Feel free to ignore their howls of outrage.

Everybody in the Tiny Pack Brigade isn't howling at the Big-But-Empty-Pack Brigade. We can march together!

I enjoy trying to minimize the volume of my pack, and love to read about people who travel the world for months with only their pockets as luggage!

 

[J Willhaus]

My husband is the one with the bigger pack and yes, @Tincatinker, he carries the lunch most days. He also usually takes way too much stuff. Last fall he went with a smaller Osprey pack he owned to cut down on the extras, but found it was not nearly as comfortable as his tried and true and much larger voluminous Osprey. I'd take your most comfortable pack and avoid any urge to keep putting more in it. BTW, @StumpyDave, I have a very similar Columbia pack (now 12 years old), but it is only 40 liters and has no lid.

 

[Flirish]

My husband and I have 55L and 65L packs from previous hikes and that's what we use. There isn't much weight difference between those and smaller packs so wasn't worth the extra cost for us. Sometimes the larger packs have better hip belts too. Pack lightly and don't be tempted to add "extras"

 

[jsalt]

could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?

Absolutely, no need to buy another pack.

Just beware of Pilgrim Family members asking if you wouldn't mind "carrying their lunch"....

This happened to us in a village at the start of a local backpack.

One young lady had not brought any booze with her (we’re all talking about what our “tipples” are for the evenings), so she goes into the bottle store and buys a bottle of wine.

When she gets outside she discovers that it won’t fit into her teeny weeny little backpack.

So my gallant husband takes it from her and puts it in his pack as we set off up the hill . . .

 

[Anhalter]

It is unneccesary weight. But it is also already paid for. Depending on whats more important for you, go with that. Just remember to not exaggerate with the "just in case" items that you can take "beacause the pack is so comfortable and has the room to spare" ;-)

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Take it. I don't see any straps to cinch the pack closer to its frame. They would come in handy.

On my first camino (CF, May through July) I took a pack this size and it was packed pretty full. It was comfortable though with the waist belt. I can't remember ever complaining (except when lifting it to put on). I was expecting to backpack in the Pyrenees later so that accounts for the size.

On camino 2 (Barcelona to Pamplona, Oct/Nov) I wanted to save money so I used the largest daypack I already had, 25 liters, to save on baggage costs. It really was too small for the extra clothes I needed but a lumbar pack got attached as a brain and a found orange nylon shopping bag got tied to the back. It held snacks and served as a safety signal. All together it worked.

 

[henrythedog]

Somewhat against my better judgement I’m trialling an unframed 30l sack which is about a kilo lighter than my proven Osprey kestrel. I’m trying to convince myself that ‘light is right’ but it’s a struggle.

If the sack fits, use it.

 

[malingerer]

I enjoy trying to minimize the volume of my pack, and love to read about people who travel the world for months with only their pockets as luggage!

AND a credit card!

Samarkand.

 

[Lindsay53]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

Minimising weight is always good, and as you know, you won't need all the gear you would normally take on a conventional hike. However some packs don't sit well unless they are full. If your larger pack is one of these you may consider leaving your sleeping bag out of its stuff sack and using it to bulk out the pack. This should help it sit better without the extra weight.

 

[Harland2019]

I have contemplated putting something similar on here before but I thought perhaps my height 6' 5" might be while I like my larger rucksack (35+10 litre v 65 litre). When I bought the larger one in 2007 I tried various rucksacks at a shop, importantly fully loaded that they fitted to my height (and telling me that a more expensive one that I was thinking of buying because it "looked nice" really didn't fit). The one I eventually chose was because the length could be adjusted so that it fitted my "long back" well and the cushioning was better at the waist and the shoulders. Even fully loaded, with lots more than I took on my 1st Camino in 2019, I really couldn't feel the weight. My smaller one that I was/am considering for this year really doesn't fit me as well and has less cushioning but c. 1 kilo lighter, I know that I could look for a small one with a better fit but I do like my 65 litre one! I still have 3 months to make up my mind!

 

[flewitheagles]

For more than 10 years, 3 Caminos and some other "hikes" I have used my Deuter 65L because it is absolutely the best fit I could imagine. I have stuffed it under an airplane seat because it has only enough stuff in it for me. I'm from the "buy what fits" club!

 

[Sweetbaboo]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

I used a 60L backpack for 3 Caminos. It worked; however, you really have to fight the compulsion to fill it up. I did enjoy not having to "cram" stuff into it. I have purchased another backpack (30L) for my Norte Camino coming up this Sept. I won't have the luxury of space in the pack so, a new learning curve.
Buen Camiono

 

[benny aumala]

If you go kayaking, it is all the same, if you have a big or small kayak.
It is all the same, if your trip is just overnight or several weeks.
Your kayak is always full !!

 

[PilgrimPillar]

That is actually a very valid point…..very often overlooked by most…

I think a third of volum in «overhead» could bee sensible in contigency…

Example….it’s increasingly hot and/or one plan to purchase lunch,dinner and next days breakfast….?

That means filling up to the max with water and lots of groceries at the supermercado….

Having room to spare means everything could fit inside the mochachilla with ease…no need to carry extra plastic bags etc…

In sum….go for the one you got..

Ultreia

. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

 

[peregrina2000]

I know that others in this thread have already stated what is also my opinion, but I just wanted to add my own personal experience.

In 2001, after I decided that a huge Lowe Alpine backpack was too heavy for me, and knowing that I had brought way too much stuff, I happened to find the perfect pack for me, mountainsmith Ghost.

I have the original, 2001 version of this pack, seen here. It has 3,000 cubic inches, which is about 50L. At 2 lbs, (though this listing says 2.25 pounds, mine is lighter, just a hair over 2. I think it may have to do with which size I bought). It is lighter than many smaller capacity packs, and its support system has been perfectly exceptional for me. There are several load adjustment straps that I cannot find on other packs.

I have toyed with getting a new pack (especially since this one, 19 years old, is really getting worn out) but I just don't find anything suitable.

This one is too big for what I carry, but as others have pointed out, there is no need to fill it. Filling a pack requires human actions, it doesn't fill itself.

Most important fact, IMO, is whether the pack works for you, and worry about its size later. Most important point, bar none, is whether it adequately and comfortably transfers the load to your hips.

(And btw, if there are any other members who once used the original Mountainsmith Ghost pack and have found a suitable replacement, I would LOVE to hear about it!)

 

[Richard Warr]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

Absolutely, no real justification spending out on a new pack if your existing one fits comfortably, and I found that the spare space makes it easier to pack if you get up and leave an albergue in the dark.

 

[Dilbin]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

My honest opinion from much camino experience is bring what ever you want. I've a smaller backpack but it means more time to pack/unpack each time. P.s It's not very expensive. If I were to reconsider I won't bring a bigger pack. Very handy for purchasing lunch and groceries for evening meals etc when I'm gonna be cooking myself in the evenings. Eitherway I've walked the Norte and Portugese and getting the footwear correct is my only concern ever. Enjoy your trip and all those wonderful pilgrims you will surely meet on your road to happy destiny

 

[Camino Chrissy]

In general men are often able to handle a bigger pack and carry more stuff than women, both because they are usually taller, and stronger. Of course, I know there are many exceptions to this non-rule.

 

[Calvin & Hobbes]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

I agree regarding the weight issue. I used a 58L backpack my well-traveled son recommended before I ever researched the Camino or found the wealth of information on this site. Later, when I compared weights to smaller packs, I found only a few ounces difference, and mine includes a raincover. Like you, I chose not to purchase another pack. I know there are folks who go to extremes to minimize weight. I learned a lot from them on this forum regarding a packlist and reducing weight as it takes a toll on the body over the long haul. The larger bag allowed me to keep my 1-season sleeping bag inside, also, with room to spare. While I can't testify to the effects of a few ounces, or even pounds, over the course of a Camino, I would not replace my pack if going again. I did the CF at the age of 65 and was pretty fit. I'm soon to be 71 and considering doing the CP from Porto if I develop the courage. A good fit of your backpack might be more important than the few ounces.

 

[Anniesantiago]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

To me, it's the idea that NOT filling up a pack means what is inside can shift around, causing problems, and even being dangerous by putting you off balance. At nearly 70, the risk of falling makes it worth the price of a well-sized pack.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

I have toyed with getting a new pack (especially since this one, 19 years old is really getting worn out) but I just don't find anything suitable.

Laurie, I would love it if you would post a photo of your "ancient" backpack you have still been able to use!

 

[cbacino]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

I walked Paris-Norte-Primitivo in 2018 with my 65 liter pack. Granted, I packed a tent in France and mailed it home from Irùn. I travel light (10 pounds), but my pack never felt underutilized. Besides, a larger size pack will have a real hip belt. Some smaller packs have a cheesy waist strap that doesn’t adequately shift weight to the hips. I’d go with the bigger pack. I still do.

 

[JanelMcB]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

I purchased an Osprey Lumina 60 for women. Larger than what I needed but the pack was super lightweight. You can read about it on their site or REI's. The belt on the pack did not have pockets, which is part of why it was so lightweight. I wore a lightweight vest over my shirt. This vest had no less than 12 pockets of varying sizes. Anything that might have been placed into belt pockets went into the pockets of the vest. Best wishes with whatever you choose.

 

[davebugg]

Larger backpacks are fine. I have a hard time understanding the rationale that one is somehow driven by compulsion to fill unused space. You are deciding what to include in your packing list, not your backpack .

My Gossamer Gear Gorilla and Mariposa are used for wilderness backpacking and each can hold more than 60 liters. On Camino, only a third of the capacity is used. Nothing shifts. Nothing sways.

I always smile when I see someone carrying a small pack and see all sorts of gear and clothing tied to the outside because of the packs limited capacity. Talk about load shifting as things do a pendulum walkabout while tethered and dangling.

If you have never backpacked and owned a pack and are buying just for Camino, then a backpack sized for a smaller load will save weight. But, please, feel free to use what you already have.

P. S. Your pack may not weigh much more than a smaller one. Offset the weight of the larger pack by removing unnecessary straps or by trimming off excessive length. If the top lid is removable, leave it off.

Reduce the weight of other items that will go inside the pack. Avoid carrying excessive water. Take less consumables, like toothpaste, and resupply along the Camino. Etc.

 

[StumpyDave]

after 6 casinos I am still happy with a Granite Gear Crown 2 - 60 L. Larger than needed, easy to pack and with compression straps to reduce the bulk it works fine. I have to fold over the top to comply with a carry-on for the airlines.

Okay, good to know. I plan on checking my pack since I will have poles. I know I risk lost luggage, but hopefully that chance in minimized since my flight is non-stop from Minneapolis to Paris. I plan on putting it in a cheap duffel bag to totally enclose it during transport.
Thanks for your feedback.

 

[StumpyDave]

My husband and I have 55L and 65L packs from previous hikes and that's what we use. There isn't much weight difference between those and smaller packs so wasn't worth the extra cost for us. Sometimes the larger packs have better hip belts too. Pack lightly and don't be tempted to add "extras"

Perfect, thanks for the input and reassurance. I'll do my best not to add along the way! Thanks

 

[StumpyDave]

It is unneccesary weight. But it is also already paid for. Depending on whats more important for you, go with that. Just remember to not exaggerate with the "just in case" items that you can take "beacause the pack is so comfortable and has the room to spare" ;-)

Yep, I completely understand. I'll be sticking to the 10% rule when packing and do my best not to add weight along my journey. Thanks for the advice.

 

[StumpyDave]

Take it. I don't see any straps to cinch the pack closer to its frame. They would come in handy.

On my first camino (CF, May through July) I took a pack this size and it was packed pretty full. It was comfortable though with the waist belt. I can't remember ever complaining (except when lifting it to put on). I was expecting to backpack in the Pyrenees later so that accounts for the size.

On camino 2 (Barcelona to Pamplona, Oct/Nov) I wanted to save money so I used the largest daypack I already had, 25 liters, to save on baggage costs. It really was too small for the extra clothes I needed but a lumbar pack got attached as a brain and a found orange nylon shopping bag got tied to the back. It held snacks and served as a safety signal. All together it worked.

Okay, thanks for the advice. Yes, it has four straps (two each side) to cinch the pack closer to the frame. It's quite a capable pack! Thanks

 

[StumpyDave]

Minimising weight is always good, and as you know, you won't need all the gear you would normally take on a conventional hike. However some packs don't sit well unless they are full. If your larger pack is one of these you may consider leaving your sleeping bag out of its stuff sack and using it to bulk out the pack. This should help it sit better without the extra weight.

That's a really good point. I'll be doing a bunch of training hikes here locally with the pack and planned gear for my Camino...I'll see how it rides and make any adjustments necessary. Great idea about the sleeping bag! Thank You!

 

[CA_Pilgrim]

Yes. It's fine, no matter what an opinionated vocal minority of the Tiny Pack Brigade will say. Feel free to ignore their howls of outrage.

Love this!

 

[peregrina2000]

To me, it's the idea that NOT filling up a pack means what is inside can shift around, causing problems, and even being dangerous by putting you off balance. At nearly 70, the risk of falling makes it worth the price of a well-sized pack.

Annie, I get that concern, but if you find a pack with good cinch straps, it is not an issue. I can squeeze my pack down to a uniform amount of "filling" up and down the length of the pack, or I can smush it all down into the bottom of the pack and leave the top empty. Either way (and I usually do the first rather than the second), I've never had a problem with shifting.

 

[Anniesantiago]

Annie, I get that concern, but if you find a pack with good cinch straps, it is not an issue. I can squeeze my pack down to a uniform amount of "filling" up and down the length of the pack, or I can smush it all down into the bottom of the pack and leave the top empty. Either way (and I usually do the first rather than the second), I've never had a problem with shifting.

I'm sure you're right.
I'm just having an "over-cautious" morning! lol!

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

On camino 2 (Barcelona to Pamplona, Oct/Nov) I wanted to save money so I used the largest daypack I already had, 25 liters, to save on baggage costs. It really was too small for the extra clothes I needed but a lumbar pack got attached as a brain and a found orange nylon shopping bag got tied to the back. It held snacks and served as a safety signal. All together it worked.

I always smile when I see someone carrying a small pack and see all sorts of gear and clothing tied to the outside because of the packs limited capacity. Talk about load shifting as things do a pendulum walkabout while tethered and dangling.

Dave, for your further amusement:

Green pack, blue brain, orange sack, yellow towel, red pole (hidden here). I wore rather indescript clothes though.

 

[davebugg]

Dave, for your further amusement:
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Green pack, blue brain, orange sack, yellow towel, red pole (hidden here). I wore rather indescript clothes though.

Think of yourself as a Joseph wearing the Many Colored Pack, giving a hat-tip to the religious aspect of the Camino.

The Macgyver-ed ‘brain’ add-on is terrific

 

[Camino Chrissy]

Think of yourself as a Joseph wearing the Many Colored Pack, giving a hat-tip to the religious aspect of the Camino.

The Macgyver-ed ‘brain’ add-on is terrific

Here's an option to consider! I wonder if it is ultra-light. Definitely a conversation starter on the Camino.

And matching boots.

 

[peregrina2000]

Dave, for your further amusement:
View attachment 118169
Green pack, blue brain, orange sack, yellow towel, red pole (hidden here). I wore rather indescript clothes though.

That picture makes it looks like its owner was raptured up!

 

[Evan Lacer]

I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.

You already have experience hiking with that particular pack, and like it. If I were you, I'd give much more weight to my direct personal experience than to other people's opinions.

As you have noted (post #34), it would be good to try a couple of local hikes with the pack loaded only with the specific stuff that you plan to bring on your Camino. Assuming that works well, you're good to go.

Yes. It's fine, no matter what an opinionated vocal minority of the Tiny Pack Brigade will say. Feel free to ignore their howls of outrage.

While ultralight backpacking can be rather cult-like, most of the passionate online argument is just the usual Internet nonsense. Maybe I've just been lucky but I've yet to encounter anyone in the 'real world' who believes it's remotely cool to volunteer unsolicited criticisms of other people's gear choices.

 

[Kathy F.]

One of the problems with taking a pack that is too small is that you find yourself hanging stuff off the outside of your pack. As you walk, that subtle shifting of weight with each step can throw your balance off. This can be a problem if it happens during a gust of wind, if you are walking over a small, makeshift bridge, loose stones, etc.

I have a large Deuter (55 ltr) and it is perfect for me. The main reason I like it is because the hip belt FITS MY HIPS!! I had jerryrigged a hip belt to fit on a smaller pack and didn't know what comfort was until i got this Deuter.

The weight of the things you bring will be the same no matter which pack you take. Be scrupulous in keeping the weight down.

I once saw a peregrina unpacking her backpack (I think near Alto do Poio), showing her companions that her pack really WAS heavy and couldn't be lightened - everything she had was a necessity. Other pilgrims hoisted her pack and agreed that it seemed excessively heavy. Imagine our surprise when, among other things, she pulled out not one but TWO big hardcover books. She said she wanted to read in her spare time. We all shook our heads, laughed, and walked away.

 

[LesR]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

My humble view - if the pack is comfortable, use it!

Yes - you will need to be cognizant of the temptation to add "just a little more" - but you have recognized the issue..

But no point trying to fix something that ain't broke....

 

[JDecay]

Use a framed pack that fits well, rests on hips and not heavy o shoulders. I used an Osprey 50 litre AG pack on Norte in 2018. Beautiful pack. Unused space doesn't add to weight.

 

[Arleene]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

I used a larger backpack for the same reason as you I had it, it is very light weight and it is comfortable. And I had the extra room to load up on water and food on the longer stretches without services I still packed light even though I had extra room.

 

[Chrisp]

My husband and I have 55L and 65L packs from previous hikes and that's what we use. There isn't much weight difference between those and smaller packs so wasn't worth the extra cost for us. Sometimes the larger packs have better hip belts too. Pack lightly and don't be tempted to add "extras"

Same, same Much better hip belts. I tried a smaller pack and it was so uncomfortable I ended up ditching it on the Via Francigena and buying a new Osprey 55L and would never use anything else even though I take the bare minimum and never have a full pack

 

[Chrisp]

My husband and I have 55L and 65L packs from previous hikes and that's what we use. There isn't much weight difference between those and smaller packs so wasn't worth the extra cost for us. Sometimes the larger packs have better hip belts too. Pack lightly and don't be tempted to add "extras"

Same, same Much better hip belts. I tried a smaller pack and it was so uncomfortable I ended up ditching it on the Via Francigena and buying a new Osprey 55L and would never use anything else even though I take the bare minimum and never have a full pack

 

[Sixwheeler]

You'll end up filling it!

 

[trecile]

While ultralight backpacking can be rather cult-like, most of the passionate online argument is just the usual Internet nonsense. Maybe I've just been lucky but I've yet to encounter anyone in the 'real world' who believes it's remotely cool to volunteer unsolicited criticisms of other people's gear choices.

Thank you for that article. Lots of good lines like

How can you tell if someone is an Ultralight Hiker? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you. Ultralight Hikers are the Crossfitters of the outdoor world. The first rule of Ultralight hiking is you always talk about Ultralight hiking. The second rule of Ultralight hiking is you always talk about Ultralight hiking.

and

The internet abounds with forums that outline various strategies and tricks to shave weight, from cutting the labels from your clothes to donating kidneys.

 

[An Tincéir]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

Impossible

 

[Arleene]

You'll end up filling it!

Nope I never filled mine! And so comfortable never a rub or ache with the nice hip belt. I am a bit of a minimalist though.

 

[HaveringRob]

To me, it's the idea that NOT filling up a pack means what is inside can shift around, causing problems, and even being dangerous by putting you off balance. At nearly 70, the risk of falling makes it worth the price of a well-sized pack.

I would think that most backpacks have some type of compression straps. That is what my husband used to cinch his pack that was about half full. The larger pack was the most comfortable one for him -- he also has a long torso. Also, I can't imagine what people would have in their packs that would be shifting around. Maybe a bottle of wine or something?

 

[Dave2525]

I used the pack I already had. It was larger than I needed but it was comfortable. It was easy to find things in it without having to dump it all out and I never felt the need to fill it up.

 

[neverlost4good]

I have a 46 Osprey that I've NEVER filled up. I just zip it closer and tighten it down. I usually pack 2 sets of clothes and the typical minimalist list (you'll find all over this forum). Why? Because when I go to Madrid for a few days following the Camino I fill it up with beautiful things. Never fails. Another thing to do, pack to give away as you walk: look for opportunities to help....lighten your pack that way and make friends. Buen Camino!!!!

 

[Evan Lacer]

Thank you for that article. Lots of good lines like ...

You are most welcome!

It's a rather strange debate (and, for the sake of clarity, I am speaking generally and not describing this thread):

1. At one end of the spectrum, there are people who believe that every possible gram must be shaved, and that it is sacrilegious to carry any item that is not absolutely vital. Presumably we hike for fun, not to test our survival skills. Obviously we can't carry every conceivable item, but most backpackers don't mind toting one or two specially-prized luxuries. And many people can't reasonably afford the cost of constantly updating their equipment with the latest-and-greatest titanium gadgets.
2. On the opposite end, some people condemn ultralighters as effetes who need to 'harden up' and embrace the suffering inherent with carrying heavy packs full of combat rations, cast-iron cookware, etc. I can't warm up to such machismo. As the old saying goes, any fool can be uncomfortable in the outdoors! Why burden yourself unnecessarily? Also, some hikers are older, or have serious health issues or disabilities (which may well not be visible); it is thoughtless and cruel to scorn their desire to carry smaller loads.

As long as we neither cadge gear that we've chosen not to carry, nor whinge about how heavy our load is, our packs' sizes and contents are no one else's business. Live and let live.

 

[VNwalking]

You'll end up filling it!

You might, @Sixwheeler, but you are not everyone.

While ultralight backpacking can be rather cult-like, most of the passionate online argument is just the usual Internet nonsense. Maybe I've just been lucky but I've yet to encounter anyone in the 'real world' who believes it's remotely cool to voluntee

You're right Evan. On the Camino itself no-one says anythjng about other people's pack size, or about their own pack size. But here we spout opinions, on all sides of the argument. My own ascerbic comnent was colored by one such exchange on another thread. Sorry...mea culpa!

 

[Evan Lacer]

On the Camino itself no-one says anythjng about other people's pack size, or about their own pack size. But here we spout opinions, on all sides of the argument. My own ascerbic comnent was colored by one such exchange on another thread. Sorry...mea culpa!

No worries, and no apology necessary.

If someone initiates a thread expressly soliciting opinions, it is only natural that such will be posted. And a lively debate - free of personal abuse, obviously - informs, and should always be welcome.

I for one read your earlier comment as firmly tongue-in-cheek. There is nothing wrong with a bit of lighthearted teasing.

 

[Former member 49149]

Thank you for that article. Lots of good lines like



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@trecile, you are impossibly funny!

 

[Former member 49149]

I agree regarding the weight issue. I used a 58L backpack my well-traveled son recommended before I ever researched the Camino or found the wealth of information on this site. Later, when I compared weights to smaller packs, I found only a few ounces difference, and mine includes a raincover. Like you, I chose not to purchase another pack. I know there are folks who go to extremes to minimize weight. I learned a lot from them on this forum regarding a packlist and reducing weight as it takes a toll on the body over the long haul. The larger bag allowed me to keep my 1-season sleeping bag inside, also, with room to spare. While I can't testify to the effects of a few ounces, or even pounds, over the course of a Camino, I would not replace my pack if going again. I did the CF at the age of 65 and was pretty fit. I'm soon to be 71 and considering doing the CP from Porto if I develop the courage. A good fit of your backpack might be more important than the few ounces.

I am skimming this thread, and have this to say to you: I did the Cf when I was very young. 58! Then 7 years later, the CP from Oporto. A delight. Work on that courage!

 

[steve 217]

Great discussion im sorry to say i may inadvertently have fallen into the smaller is better camp without thinking it through properly .
i think with hindsight if you have the will power ,not to fill a larger rucksack ,with those ”might need” items Use whats to hand or the most comfortable.
I recall seeing a latvian pilgrim walking with just a messenger type shoulder bag I admired his ability to travel light , he responded by saying it was his worst decion ever as he spent the whole day transferring the bag from one shoulder to the next and could never get comfortable, which i suppose is the main point do whatever suits and is the most comfortable given that you will become either the best of friends or the worst of enemies with the pack on your back .

 

[Pilgrim9]

I used a Kelty Trekker 65 external frame pack on my CF & CP. It was fine. I plan to use it on all of my future long pilgrimages.

 

[camino.ninja]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

You should be able to reduce your base weight by 1 kilo buying a smaller backpack for the purpose of the camino.

You will most likely be the first to not overfill your backpack if you bring a 65 L adding even more weight.

I use a 24 L and have spare room for a 2p tent or a cooking system inside if needed.

My recommendation is to aim for 5 kilos max in base weight.

The challenge is to find a small backpack with a good carrying system, because it is needed for long distances even with just 5 kilos.

Backpack and sleeping bag is usually where you can reduce your weight the most for the least amount of money.

Buen Camino!

 

[VNwalking]

You will most likely be the first to not overfill your backpack if you bring a 65 L adding even more weight.

Haha, hardly.
That honor is long since taken.
Many of us already know the fine art of restraint - and of learning from our mistakes.

 

[RJM]

The backpack you have will be fine. I certainly wouldn't invest money in another one.

 

[Bilby]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

Breaking in a new backpack can be a hassle. If you have one that works for you, it may be better to stick with your original, especially if the weight difference between the two is negligible.

 

[MichelleElynHogan]

Besides carrying the added weight of a larger pack, the most important thing is, "Nature abhors a vacuum." Guaranteed, the pack and contents from the first Camino will drop by half by the second one. So, do save the trouble.

Two suppliers have excellent packs, one is pricey and a bit larger than needed, and that would be ZPacks. The other is the Freedom Pack from Gobi Gear. A deal at $50 and 30 L. And it doubles as a great pillow, when needed.

 

[dutchwalkagain]

I have an Aura 50 and my husband a 45 L pack. We fill them fully for our flight from the USA to Spain as carry on then check in a 40 L duffel with our hiking poles. Once on the Camino, we stuff our 40 L duffel and forward it each day ( as an older couple with iffy backs we prefer forwarding part of our things) so our packs are only filled with about 10 lbs and certainly not full. But I LOVE my pack and it will come with me on my fifth Camino and will use it as long as it holds up. I actually also have an Osprey 33 L pack but it's nowhere near as comfortable to carry as my 50 L .

 

[KJFSophie]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

I have a 38L that I don't fill on summer walks, but am grateful for the extra space on colder weather walks where more gear and bulk are necessary. The one thing to consider is the actual size of the frame of the pack if you plan to put in overhead on the plane and some airlines in the hold. There may be fees for checking something 1" too long...lol If you check the allowed dimensions on the airline it may influence your plan one way or another. Just a thought.

 

[sambajammer]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk.
My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full?
I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags.
Thoughts and input appreciated

People have a tendency to keep filling. With very limited space in your pack you have a built in editing system.

 

[Rick of Rick and Peg]

Would someone who has mentioned that extra space in a pack gets filled please let us know what it gets filled with. I only remember water, bocadillos and a small plastic bag filled with trinkets to give to Peg in Santiago.

 

[Helen1]

People have a tendency to keep filling. With very limited space in your pack you have a built in editing system.

I get the logic of this but not sure it works for everyone. Thinking about all the people you see carrying a shopping bag with extra stuff in it (and not just food), the people with an extra front rucksack stuffed with essentials, the water bottle carriers because every inch of their rucksack is rammed, the people whose rucksacks hypnotically sway with all the stuff/extra bags dangling off. Small isn't always beautiful or that practical... plus being able to toss stuff in is a lot easier than the packing puzzles some people set themselves.

 

[camino.ninja]

Would someone who has mentioned that extra space in a pack gets filled please let us know what it gets filled with. I only remember water, bocadillos and a small plastic bag filled with trinkets to give to Peg in Santiago.

Pillows, hairdryers, irons ...it's basically a replica of peoples homes when the backpack becomes big enough.

 

[Craig Kiwi]

Greetings. I plan on doing the Northern route and connecting to the Primitivo from July 2nd to August 12th this summer...my first Camino. From previous hiking trips, I have a Columbia Endura 65L backpack. It's a very nice, professional pack...but it is bigger than most people recommend for a Camino walk. My question is, instead of paying another $100-$200 for a new pack (I have $299 invested in the Endura,) could I just use my 65L and simply not pack it full? I know carrying a pack that's not full means carrying the unnecessary weight of the larger pack with me, but honestly, the weight difference is negligible between this one and most 35L-45L bags. Thoughts and input appreciated

Pillows, hairdryers, irons ...it's basically a replica of peoples homes when the backpack becomes big enough.

Pillows, hairdryers, irons ...it's basically a replica of peoples homes when the backpack becomes big enough.

Pillows, hairdryers, irons ...it's basically a replica of peoples homes when the backpack becomes big enough.

We’ll I suppose I could wade into this conversation a little bit late with a completely different view from most in this conversation. Some of you will gasp when I tell you that on the 3 Caminos I did (SJPDP to SDC) I used an 80l Osprey. I can hear the collective gasp of horror. But a quality pack this size weighs barely 500gms more than one of half that size. The equivalent of whether your water bottle is full or half full. So what’s the advantage of a larger pack?
When waking up half asleep in a dimly lit hostel. I simply throw everything into the pack and I’m gone. I’m enjoying my first coffee 2kms down the road. While those who have the small packs are focusing on packing everything tightly to within an inch of its life. So tightly packed that a snack bar creates anxiety of whether to consume it now or leave it behind!

Of course you need the discipline to not overpack. But neither do I suffer the 3-4 plastic bags swinging off the side of my pack. When my extras don’t fit. Or my baguette is being strapped on the outside of the pack in the sun or rain.
Because I travel from New Zealand my larger pack serves the purpose of further travel that I undertake before heading home. Room for a few souvenirs. Some gifts and we head home. All at the inconvenience of 500gms. ( less than 1lb)
Somehow I think there can be a competitiveness that belies the purpose of the Camino when we saturate ourselves with superficial goals like minimal packing. (Has anyone ever seen the dumped gear at the Roncevalles Albergue. After the first day over the Pyrenees people have already worked out what they can or cannot carry. The monetary value of the abandoned items at Roncesvalles would fund a small 3rd world nation.)
But hey…enjoy the walk. It’s what fills your heart (not your backpack) at the end of the Camino that really matters in the end.

 

[camino.ninja]

We’ll I suppose I could wade into this conversation a little bit late with a completely different view from most in this conversation. Some of you will gasp when I tell you that on the 3 Caminos I did (SJPDP to SDC) I used an 80l Osprey. I can hear the collective gasp of horror. But a quality pack this size weighs barely 500gms more than one of half that size. The equivalent of whether your water bottle is full or half full. So what’s the advantage of a larger pack?
When waking up half asleep in a dimly lit hostel. I simply throw everything into the pack and I’m gone. I’m enjoying my first coffee 2kms down the road. While those who have the small packs are focusing on packing everything tightly to within an inch of its life. So tightly packed that a snack bar creates anxiety of whether to consume it now or leave it behind!

Of course you need the discipline to not overpack. But neither do I suffer the 3-4 plastic bags swinging off the side of my pack. When my extras don’t fit. Or my baguette is being strapped on the outside of the pack in the sun or rain.
Because I travel from New Zealand my larger pack serves the purpose of further travel that I undertake before heading home. Room for a few souvenirs. Some gifts and we head home. All at the inconvenience of 500gms. ( less than 1lb)
Somehow I think there can be a competitiveness that belies the purpose of the Camino when we saturate ourselves with superficial goals like minimal packing. (Has anyone ever seen the dumped gear at the Roncevalles Albergue. After the first day over the Pyrenees people have already worked out what they can or cannot carry. The monetary value of the abandoned items at Roncesvalles would fund a small 3rd world nation.)
But hey…enjoy the walk. It’s what fills your heart (not your backpack) at the end of the Camino that really matters in the end.

I do respect your choice. But you can actually save one kilo or more on you backpack. And having a 1.9 kilo backpack vs a total of 5 kilos max

...but everyone is free to make their own decissions for whatever reasons they want

 

[C clearly]

I could wade into this conversation a little bit late with a completely different view from most in this conversation... I can hear the collective gasp of horror.

I do not understand this assumption of polarized extreme views. If you read the 75+ posts on this thread, the overwhelming majority of responses (certainly "most in this conversation") say that the OP should carry the larger pack if it is the most comfortable and available.

 

[camino.ninja]

I do not understand this assumption of polarized extreme views. If you read the 75+ posts on this thread, the overwhelming majority of responses say that the OP should carry the larger pack if it is the most comfortable and available.

I think the OP is looking for different thoughts on this and not necessarily a vote for his choice. Being able to save 1 to 1.5 kilos on replacing a single item is worth it from my perspective

 

[C clearly]

I think the OP is looking for different thoughts on this and not necessarily a vote for his choice. Being able to save 1 to 1.5 kilos on replacing a single item is worth it from my perspective

I agree. Most of the respondents in this thread have given such thoughts. I was only objecting to the suggestion that most of the respondents on this thread were gasping in horror at the large pack.

 

[camino.ninja]

I agree. Most of the respondents in this thread have given such thoughts. I was only objecting to the suggestion that most of the respondents on this thread were gasping in horror at the large pack.

Well I think when you do multi day hikes you can really feel when you loose 1 to 1.5 kilos whereas it might not feel like much when you are back home. I'm not really against big backpacks. But when people ask for other people's thoughts on a subject ...

 

[C clearly]

But when people ask for other people's thoughts on a subject ...

I agree. Those opinions have been very helpful. Nobody is howling or gasping.

 

[trecile]

Well I think when you do multi day hikes you can really feel when you loose 1 to 1.5 kilos whereas it might not feel like much when you are back home. I'm not really against big backpacks. But when people ask for other people's thoughts on a subject ...

But, sometimes the larger, heavier backpack carries the load more comfortably than a lighter pack. Overall comfort should be the determinant.

 

[Former member 99290]

This one is too big for what I carry, but as others have pointed out, there is no need to fill it. Filling a pack requires human actions, it doesn't fill itself.

Exactly right. When my pack is fuller than it needs to be (irrespective of the size) I know that I am the problem, not my pack!

Many of us already know the fine art of restraint - and of learning from our mistakes.

After ... caminos, I'm still a student of this fine art - but improving as I go. With one notable exception, when I was extremely busy at work and left the packing until the last minute, closing it a few minutes before my friend arrived to take me to the airport. When I arrived in Oviedo, I was astonished at the number of t shirts I had and some of the items I'd thrown in 'just in case'.

But, sometimes the larger, heavier backpack carries the load more comfortably than a lighter pack. Overall comfort should be the determinant.

Totally agree @trecile I have two packs 'in play' at the moment - both of them pretty lightweight and not that large - but I'm undecided which one I'll take. I just hope I don't leave the decision and the packing until the last minute. I also have some 'sentimentality attached to my backpacks!

All in all, I'm just thrilled to be even thinking about which pack I'm taking and what's going inside!

 

[camino.ninja]

But, sometimes the larger, heavier backpack carries the load more comfortably than a lighter pack. Overall comfort should be the determinant.

The heavier backpack with the more comfortable are good for carrying heavy weight. If you pack 5 kilos you can do with less support and still be as comfortable. If you have less than 3 kilos you can do with a running west. So it all depends on how much you want to put in your backpack. But in the end the weight all goes to your knees and feet. And that will probably end up being a problem for most people walking 800 km with a heavy load.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

But in the end the weight all goes to your knees and feet.

Good point. For those who have issues with either, then a lighter pack and using hiking poles would be a big help be help alleviate potential problems.