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The seven euro entry charge for most non EU citizens will not start until next year but the entry system will operate from Nov 10th at least it seems settled and people can move on.Get ready for a flurry, if not a flood, of news articles about EES and ETIAS.
A few days ago, EU Commissioner Johannsson visited the eu-Lisa headquarters and gave a speech. You can read it in full on the "Press Corner" on ec.europa.eu, and a date has already made it into the international news media: the 10th of November 2024.
She said: "And after intense dialogues with Member States, with you, with the different stakeholders – I have decided that the Entry/Exit System will enter into operations on the 10th of November. Different steps are legally required before the Commission could take the formal decision, but I am proud to reveal today that the 10th of November is the target day."
It does not say whether it will be a "Big Bang start" in many EU airports and other EU external border entry points or a start just in one location or a few locations.
PS: The date in the thread title and first post (6 October) is wrong. Of course.
One of the (few) benefits of being 73 next month - it's free!The seven euro entry charge for most non EU citizens will not start until next year but the entry system will operate from Nov 10th at least it seems settled and people can move on.
Ah thank you. Here is a British newspaper report.Get ready for a flurry, if not a flood, of news articles about EES and ETIAS.
A few days ago, EU Commissioner Johannsson visited the eu-Lisa headquarters and gave a speech. You can read it in full on the "Press Corner" on ec.europa.eu, and a date has already made it into the international news media: the 10th of November 2024.
She said: "And after intense dialogues with Member States, with you, with the different stakeholders – I have decided that the Entry/Exit System will enter into operations on the 10th of November. Different steps are legally required before the Commission could take the formal decision, but I am proud to reveal today that the 10th of November is the target day."
It does not say whether it will be a "Big Bang start" in many EU airports and other EU external border entry points or a start just in one location or a few locations.
PS: The date in the thread title and first post (6 October) is wrong. Of course.
Correct. Quote from the EU Commissioner’s speech:The seven euro entry charge for most non EU citizens will not start until next year but the entry system will operate from Nov 10th
@Jeff Crawley ,One of the (few) benefits of being 73 next month - it's free!
No. Those under 18 or over 70 will still have to apply for the ETIAS but will not have to pay the fee.Do you mean Non EU seniors of certain age can enter Europe without visa requirements etc ?
Me too. due to return to Australia on 12th November so hope I wont have to do anything.We will already be on the Camino when, and if, this goes into effect on Nov. 10th in Spain. However, we will be leaving about a week after it goes into effect. So I hope it doesn’t create chaos! Whatever…
Thanks @Katharina for your post. I appreciate your keeping us updated on this issue!Get ready for a flurry, if not a flood, of news articles about EES and ETIAS.
A few days ago, EU Commissioner Johannsson visited the eu-Lisa headquarters and gave a speech. You can read it in full on the "Press Corner" on ec.europa.eu, and a date has already made it into the international news media: the 10th of November 2024.
She said: "And after intense dialogues with Member States, with you, with the different stakeholders – I have decided that the Entry/Exit System will enter into operations on the 10th of November. Different steps are legally required before the Commission could take the formal decision, but I am proud to reveal today that the 10th of November is the target day."
It does not say whether it will be a "Big Bang start" in many EU airports and other EU external border entry points or a start just in one location or a few locations.
And in another four months you'll advance into your mid-seventies. Treat it as a treasure. You can impress the younger crowd with your advanced age description but still youthful appearance and vitality.One of the (few) benefits of being 73 next month - it's free!
They didn’t.I wonder if the EU hired the same IT firm that resulted in the British Sub-Postmaster scandal
We need an emoji for "YAWN" that can be put under a post."I'm sorry, Sir, but you cannot be admitted into the EU because our computer system says you've committed 16384 bank robberies in 256 counties. Our software is perfect! It can't be a bug!"
-Paul
Not to be negative but as an American living in Greece, I would be willing to bet that Greece was one of the countries that needed to be coached into action. I’ve been told by Greek immigration that they are waiting for new information on EU rules - some of us continue to wait for our residency permit renewal. Mine expired in mid May, so I am now carrying around a printed copy of my renewal application that will serve as my ‘renewal in progress’ and allow me to travel.They didn’t.
And if you cared to familiarise yourself with the EES project or read Johannsson's speech to the EU-Lisa staff you'd know that the technical difficulties and delays and setbacks in connection with developing new IT software and hardware is just one part of the project. Technological coordination between 20+ different countries and their equipment and their staff was another big part, and developing the required common legal framework between these countries was equally difficult. There were huge differences between EU countries in their attitude to personal data protection within the EES system for example. And as Johannsson pointed out, some member states were lagging behind schedule with their part of the work and needed to be coached into action repeatedly, while others prioritised the necessary work in their airports and other external border points.
And I did not post my comment (I had posted it in an ongoing thread actually) so much as to let you know the starting date that the Commissioner had announced but to alert forum members to the many articles that would appear in the international press, some of them alarmist and others misleading.
BTW, @pjacobi, the scandal in the UK wasn't the faulty IT accounting software. It was the way that the Post Office officials and other UK authorities failed to handle the issue properly and how their actions caused the loss of jobs, bankruptcy, family breakdown, criminal convictions, prison sentences and at least four suicides [quote taken from the EN Wikipedia]
Nothing of all this has anything to do with the EES and why you introduced it into this thread is anyone's guess.
But it's not relevant to the Camino.The topic is relevant to this thread because both are examples of large government IT projects.
The term for this is projection."I'm sorry, Sir, but you cannot be admitted into the EU because our computer system says you've committed 16384 bank robberies in 256 counties. Our software is perfect! It can't be a bug!"
-Paul
And a good portion of ignorance.The term for this is projection.
I sympathise! However, the EES will not change anything about the rules for foreign residents. Remember, foreign residents in the EU countries and EU nationals are not subject to the future Entry/Exit control system. When travelling between Schengen countries or travelling into or out of the Schengen area, we don't have to go through these channels, and our fingerprints and other personal data will not be registered and not be stored.On a very positive note - am looking forward to each EU country having the same rules. Under the Greek process each time I renew a ‘new’ rule comes up. For now it is wait and see. My lawyer has said I can travel where ever I want - no problem! I remind myself that there can be challenges before new and improved! Soon I’ll be leaving for Portugal to finish my Camino Portuguese.
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