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So where is Deborah Unger?
Apparently Ms. Unger has been know to have attitude problems on set.So where is Deborah Unger?
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I thought that the first film was a bit too clichéd with the main characters. The American lead was initially very insular in his thinking and probably had trouble pointing to France on a map, the Dutch character a very laid-back drug abuser, the Irishman a prolix drunk. Plus of course the rucksack thief had to be Roma...So where is Deborah Unger?
I enjoyed the movie but agree with the cliche comment. I remember it being described as the wizard of oz, with Dorothy, lion, scarecrow and tin-man.I thought that the first film was a bit too clichéd with the main characters.
I do understand that it was entertainment and not documentary. A distinction that sometimes seems to have been missed by some of the more avid fans of the movie. The choice to portray the rucksack thief as Roma does feel like a poor decision though.I thought the film first and foremost was made for entertainment. It was not meant to be a documentary of "real" people. I personally enjoyed the characters as they were portrayed and thoroughly enjoyed the film. I actually preferred it to a couple of other documentary styles ones I have seen since; some good, some not so good, imo.
I agree Chrissy. I’d walked the Frances twice before I saw this movie. I recall being reluctant in some ways to watch it. But, when I eventually did, I enjoyed it. Like you, saw it as entertainment - good storytelling, good actors and a fabulous landscape. It’s one thing to like or not like a film, but I’ve never understood the level of disdain expressed by some forum commentators whenever the subject comes up.I thought the film first and foremost was made for entertainment. It was not meant to be a documentary of "real" people. I personally enjoyed the characters as they were portrayed and thoroughly enjoyed the film.
I agree, but it was a young teenager who could have just as easily been portrayed from any village or city along the Way. I saw it as a bit of "drama" added to the film for variety of entertainment value; nothing more. That said, I totally get what you are saying. Possibly an adult thief stealing a backpack in the night from an albergue would have been more accurate, and just as entertaining. He could have been apprehended later.The choice to portray the rucksack thief as Roma does feel like a poor decision though.
It’s many years since I’ve seen the film - maybe I’ll watch it againI agree, but it was a young teenager who could have just as easily been portrayed from any village or city along the Way. I saw it as a bit of "drama" added to the film for variety of entertainment value; nothing more. That said, I totally get what you are saying. Possibly an adult thief stealing a backpack in the night from an albergue would have been more accurate, and just as entertaining. He could have been apprehended later.
I agree. It reinforces ancient stereotypes. However, here is a quote from an interview with Sheen and Estevez: One episode in the film involves a group of Roma Gypsies from Burgos. Emilio said they were proud to gain their trust. A relative of theirs had taught Roma children and persuaded them to join the project. Given the harsh treatment the Roma community receives across Europe, they said they were particularly glad to include them in the film.The choice to portray the rucksack thief as Roma does feel like a poor decision though.
I wonder if this might be an accident of geography and history? My impression is that the majority of the fanbase for the movie is in North America. The movie had very limited distribution elsewhere. Perhaps the very troubled history of relationships between the Roma and the majority populations in countries throughout Europe is less well known and understood by an audience in the USA and Canada?I think this message failed miserably to reach the viewers.
Not true for me. What I took from the film was the excitement of thinking about a very long walk in a new country I had not been before where I could sleep indoors every night, and not carry a week's worth of meals on my back at a time. The US does not really have these options on our long distance trails. I loved when they arrived in Santiago, which brought tears to my eyes and daydreamed that one day I might arrive there, too, even though the true pilgrimage aspect was lost on me at the time.I think this message failed miserably to reach the viewers. All that people take from it, other than pure entertainment, is that Martin Sheen's backpack got stolen in Burgos and that one should go to Muxia.
That was a very positive moment. I can remember entering the cathedral up the stairs from the Obradoiro through the Portico de la Gloria and putting my hand on the Tree of Jesse like many thousands before me. Sadly denied to those arriving today.I loved when they arrived in Santiago, which brought tears to my eyes and daydreamed that one day I might arrive there, too.
I was very interested in the Roma scenes as I have wrestled with my understanding/experiences of Roma in Europe. I appreciate the movie taking this European prejudice and difficulty on.I do understand that it was entertainment and not documentary. A distinction that sometimes seems to have been missed by some of the more avid fans of the movie. The choice to portray the rucksack thief as Roma does feel like a poor decision though.
I really enjoyed the film, bought the DVD and re-watch from time to time.Not true for me. What I took from the film was the excitement of thinking about a very long walk in a new country I had not been before where I could sleep indoors every night, and not carry a week's worth of meals on my back at a time. The US does not really have these options on our long distance trails. I loved when they arrived in Santiago, which brought tears to my eyes and daydreamed that one day I might arrive there, too, even though the true pilgrimage aspect was lost on me at the time.
Attention The Way fans! That courtyard is easily found! I visited it in 2019., but the scene in Burgos where the Roma community have a big blazing fire with billowing smoke in the courtyard place, with spotless white linen sheets hanging out to dry from the balconies above is beyond absurd... or am I exaggerating it in my own memory? It was years ago...
Yes exactly andI enjoyed the movie but agree with the cliche comment. I remember it being described as the wizard of oz, with Dorothy, lion, scarecrow and tin-man.
I've read some perplexing posts in my time, but this leaves me scratching my head.Yes exactly and
"Oz never did give nothing to the Tin-man
that he didn't already have"
(America 1970 or so)
And conversely as for the Catherine ("sorry Caroline") Burnham facsimile, a Camino (even extended to the coast) was never going to stop her smoking IF she was to simply continue blaming others for her lack of character
I can't say that the sheets detracted from my enjoyment of the scene, which of course was intended to negate the preconceptions the characters had about gypsies.There were many absurd and overplayed scenes in the film, and of course looking at it more than once, as it appears many of us have, we are going to spot more. I think artistic license is allowed regarding the sequence of locations, it always happens in movies, but the scene in Burgos where the Roma community have a big blazing fire with billowing smoke in the courtyard place, with spotless white linen sheets hanging out to dry from the balconies above is beyond absurd... or am I exaggerating it in my own memory? It was years ago...
Well my reading of this very clever movie was same as the director Emilio, even before I read his take to salonI've read some perplexing posts in my time, but this leaves me scratching my head.
How is the quote relevant?
Why do you mention 'America 1970'?
Who is Ms Burnham? (I googled both of her and I'm no nearer.
Maybe I'm just old.
Hey! Thanks for that comprehensive response. Love the Emilio quote. Curiously I missed the 'Tinman' quote – definitely in my time-frame (I'm 78). Good song. I read the America reference as a country, not the band.Well my reading of this very clever movie was same as the director Emilio
Yes that one sort of went over my head but I figure it needs to follow as "-- but we only ever think about the best"I always thought the comment 'our children are the best and the worst of us ' the most memorable
I'm 79 so 6 months too old to be a Boomer - and of course Tom is way too old but facts never got in the way of abuse opportunities from the blonde character depiction gal.Hey! Thanks for that comprehensive response. Love the Emilio quote. Curiously I missed the 'Tinman' quote – definitely in my time-frame (I'm 78). Good song. I read the America reference as a country, not the band.
The scarf does stick in my memory too!
Tom was younger than me, and I'm a boomer!I'm 79 so 6 months too old to be a Boomer - and of course Tom is way too old but facts never got in the way of abuse opportunities from the blonde character depiction gal.
So are you in fact American? (I am Australian)
Have you seen American Beauty?
Maybe you could do us all a favour and post a poll "Did you like the The Way?" YES/NO and put this all to bed!Just a movie people...filmmakers are trying to convey a message, but to me is is just a story that I like.
I posted the original message about an update on a sequel and of course it evolved into all kinds of other commentary per the usual forum thread...Just trying to bring it back to the original post.Maybe you could do us all a favour and post a poll "Did you like the The Way?" YES/NO and put this all to bed!
Although I'm a serial-offender in this case, I DO sympathise.I posted the original message about an update on a sequel and of course it evolved into all kinds of other commentary per the usual forum thread...Just trying to bring it back to the original post.
(except it led to a redemptive and "insider" moment to an insular culture...)I do understand that it was entertainment and not documentary. A distinction that sometimes seems to have been missed by some of the more avid fans of the movie. The choice to portray the rucksack thief as Roma does feel like a poor decision though.
I think to me it means if we chastise our children consider where they learnt that behaviourYes that one sort of went over my head but I figure it needs to follow as "-- but we only ever think about the best"
What is your take?
I’d say your Google is not working well. Many results came up for me, including this:What pray tell is a Roma?
google says a football team or town in Oz
Roma or Roma and Sinti are the words that replace the word gypsy that is considered as a racial slur. Similar to what is referred to as the N-word.What pray tell is a Roma? google says a football team or town in Oz
I watched the beginning of the scene in Burgos again. When the boy runs off with the backpack a kind of Flamenco type of soundtrack starts to accompany the visual scene.The choice to portray the rucksack thief as Roma does feel like a poor decision though.
OK if I may be of assistance it seems that the sheets are getting smoked out by a BBQ to celebrate a "Roma style stealing incident" in The Way and many Pilgrims are willing to solve both issues.There is a lot on this thread that I do not understand!
I agree and my own experience when I think about it is my kids don't contact me very often these days BUT that was the case with me and MY dad - ie the "cat's in the cradle" issue.I think to me it means if we chastise our children consider where they learnt that behaviour
Please define elusive (and welcome to Oz pom) - Lester says at the end of the movie "I am sure you didn't understand a word I said - but don't worry, one day you will"Tom was younger than me, and I'm a boomer!
No Australian, but a ten pound pom. (I put that in just to add to @C clearly's confusion.)
Yes, but I think your point is elusive!
Yes please. It would be interesting to know - a Rorschach test of sorts.Maybe you could do us all a favour and post a poll "Did you like the The Way?" YES/NO and put this all to bed
I would say , take some history classes.What pray tell is a Roma?
google says a football team or town in Oz
A ten pound pom. Nice phrase. I thought about it... but moved west rather than around the world!Tom was younger than me, and I'm a boomer!
No Australian, but a ten pound pom. (I put that in just to add to @C clearly's confusion.)
Yes, but I think your point is elusive!
As Elliot Ness said at the end of another great movie: "I think I'll have a drink".Please define elusive (and welcome to Oz pom) - Lester says at the end of the movie "I am sure you didn't understand a word I said - but don't worry, one day you will"
or I can try to explain in the meantime if you don't want to wait for one day - for starters have you seen Jules and Jim which is the very start of all this content for the Unger character and her reason for being in the movie
I think you're referring to Sydney Carter's Crow on the CradleI agree and my own experience when I think about it is my kids don't contact me very often these days BUT that was the case with me and MY dad - ie the "cat's in the cradle" issue.
That's OK Tincatinker we all make mistakes - yes it was Harry Chapin and here is the final verse MY BOY WAS JUST LIKE MEOops, just realised @Camo was probably referencing Harry Chapin, not Sydney Carter.
Last nights Tamnavulin hasn't quite worn off yet
Well, what can we discuss about a future movie where they have not even started filming and that has not yet been said before?I posted the original message about an update on a sequel and of course it evolved into all kinds of other commentary per the usual forum thread...Just trying to bring it back to the original post.
Awesome and Amen!And he mentions the many viewers who write to him and to his father to thank them for the movie, that the movie has transformed people's lives and it's for them that he is going to do Chapter 2.
It means the same to me. Another parental one with a similar meaning often heard is..."do as I say, not as I do."I think to me it means if we chastise our children consider where they learnt that behaviour
Probably a US thing, here in the Netherlands Google says the following,What pray tell is a Roma?
google says a football team or town in Oz
Some Britons of your age are Boomers, but that's only because the baby boom started earlier in England than elsewhere.I'm 79 so 6 months too old to be a Boomer
I'm sorry if we come across that way.aren't all Canadians tediously and consistently polite and cheerful
That was a memory that will stay with me, too!That was a very positive moment. I can remember entering the cathedral up the stairs from the Obradoiro through the Portico de la Gloria and putting my hand on the Tree of Jesse like many thousands before me. Sadly denied to those arriving today.
My late and much missed mother-in-law was born in Toronto. She didn't play up to the stereotype either!I'm sorry if we come across that way.
And there I was thinking I was playing up to the stereotype by immediately apologizing.My late and much missed mother-in-law was born in Toronto. She didn't play up to the stereotype either!
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I just did.Maybe you could do us all a favour and post a poll "Did you like the The Way?" YES/NO and put this all to bed!
The weird ones are we Gen X -- stuck between being too young to be Boomers but too old to be Millennials ; and yet old and young enough to relate to both.I am a 1945 baby, 'twixt silent and baby boom.
Or those of us born in the beginning of the 60s, counted as boomers by some and not by others. Too young to really relate to most of the Boomer culture (by the time we were teens, or even tweens the Beatles were history - I think the boomer cultural touchstones really work out best for those born about 1950) but too old to be counted as GenX.The weird ones are we Gen X -- stuck between being too young to be Boomers but too old to be Millennials ; and yet old and young enough to relate to both.
A cusp or micro generation. I’ve heard it called Generation Jones in the US. I don’t know if the name carries internationally, but perhaps the concept or experience does. Then Xennial for those born between the late 1970s and early 1980s, and Zillennial for those born in the mid-late 1990s. I do not know if there are words for similar transitions between Silent & Boomer, or Silent & Greatest.Or those of us born in the beginning of the 60s, counted as boomers by some and not by others.
There's some bits that they got right as well. I always have a laugh when, in the hotel room in SJPDP, putting on the pack ready to leave, he knocks the lamp over with his backpack.There were many absurd and overplayed scenes in the film, and of course looking at it more than once, as it appears many of us have, we are going to spot more. I think artistic license is allowed regarding the sequence of locations, it always happens in movies, but the scene in Burgos where the Roma community have a big blazing fire with billowing smoke in the courtyard place, with spotless white linen sheets hanging out to dry from the balconies above is beyond absurd... or am I exaggerating it in my own memory? It was years ago...
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