falconbrother
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My wife and I have also talked about volunteering in the federal park system. We met a guy last winter who was a volunteer, or low paid employee, at the Cape Hatteras Light House. We are both retired and working part time. In a very short period of time a lot of our responsibilities will have gone away.After watching my parents seriously decline in health in the past couple of years and become unable to do what they enjoy (I have two sets--Mom/stepdad, Dad/stepmom), Phil and I have decided we're going all out the next couple of years as he's 12 years older than I am.
I'm retiring in May and we're spending the first summer driving and camping our way to Alaska (and around the state) and back. Fall and Christmas will be with family and then a winter Camino in early 2025. After that we think we want to volunteer in National Parks, National Forests, and of course walk and volunteer on the Camino. It will all mostly be done on a frugal budget, but with investment and spending on lived experiences. We are moving our home base to a house owned by our family and shared with my brother. He and I like to be there at different times of the year so I will make sure it all works out to everyone's satisfaction.
Do it while you are able and with who you want to while they are able. Blessings and prayers to those of you who've lost a loved one before it was time.
There is the FIRES movement. Financial Independence Retire Early. That ship has sailed for me but thanks to Phil's military retirement and benefits, I can retire at 62 without worrying about health coverage. We'll do everything we can until we can't at this point.I think as we get older, we naturally start to realise that our remaining time on earth is much shorter than the life already lived! And it's not just age, but health can take a downturn very easily of course.
Having found the Camino at age 57 (now 66) I realise that if I want to walk more Caminos, it's better to do them sooner rather than later. Sure I might still be walking at 80. But I might not.
Pat and I also got ourselves a small Campervan last year so we can start travelling locally more. And we are thinking of selling up our home and moving an hour out of the City to have a few years of living in a more country setting. Practically, we would move back to the city as health declines.
It would be nice to retire, but circumstances don't allow that. So it's a question of trying to balance things a bit.
Maybe the Camino helps us to appreciate what we have, and to use our remaining time doing things that fulfil us more?
Afterthought. I wonder if younger generations take a different approach? I think so. Our adult kids all seem to have travelled more than we have! (and we've travelled a lot) They've nailed the work/life balance thing.
Yep, that ship sailed for us. (Due to a complicated set of circumstances)There is the FIRES movement. Financial Independence Retire Early. That ship has sailed for me but thanks to Phil's military retirement and benefits, I can retire at 62 without worrying about health coverage. We'll do everything we can until we can't at this point.
We would love to move to Spain, but as my parents are still living (albeit not with good quality of life), I feel the Spanish visa requirements are too restrictive. Also the older we get and the more ailments we have, the less likely we'd be granted a visa. Once you make that initial move, I have been told you can't leave to go home to visit for a certain amount of time or it invalidates your visa. That would mean I couldn't go back if needed for a family emergency, death, or just to visit for a specified time.Pat and I were just discussing this. And she came up with an idea.
When I stop working we move to Spain for 2 years and rent a small house / apartment somewhere and use that as a base to walk lots of Caminos. Hmmmm. That got me interested.
I was 28 when I walked my first Camino. I rediscovered my diary of that walk very recently. I thought I had lost it years ago! Now at well over twice that age my knees are beginning to fail me: osteoarthritis - irreversible and progressive. I think that even with knee replacement surgery at some point on the horizon I will probably have to give up long distance walking in a few years time. That thought is driving me to lose weight and take more regular exercise now as ways to postpone the inevitable for just a little longer. Having very few home commitments, a small but adequate income, and cheap ready access to the Caminos from the UK are blessings for which I am very grateful and which I fully intend to make use of for as long as possible.Having found the Camino at age 57 (now 66) I realise that if I want to walk more Caminos, it's better to do them sooner rather than later. Sure I might still be walking at 80. But I might not.
I think it is volunteer.govVolunteers.gov in the US. Lots of new opportunities posted every month...dream big.
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When you step out of your comfort zone, you run the danger of shifting its location.To me it's a paradox. I benefit immensely making myself get out of my comfort zone. But the more I live outside my comfort zone the harder it gets to live in my comfort zone. But I think it fits with my feelings that life is and should be filled with contradiction
I also envy those who found ‘Spain/Portugal/France and their pilgrimage ways) at an earlier age.Would have liked to have started sooner, but I am grateful that I found out about the Camino at all. Best thing I have done lately to ‘stay young’
Yes, I hear the ticking of the clock. But it's OK: I have had my time: Now I am only soaking up the leftovers.I walked my first Camino Frances in 2018 at age 66. I set off for my 5th in April this year. Would have liked to have started sooner, but I am grateful that I found out about the Camino at all. Best thing I have done lately to ‘stay young’ - see att photo, should have done this earlier too!!!
The average age of pilgrims now feels much higher than it used to be. I've seen statistics from Roncesvalles in 1987 where about half of those recorded were 25 or under and "students" were by far the largest occupation. July and August were the busiest season - school and university vacations. Felt much the same when I walked three years later. Very different from today. We are by and large far richer in years these days...Here is a salute for the young members of this forum: I wish more people would walk the Camino at young age: I am sure that it could change their future, for the better.
Or is it just the pure economics? The Camino might have been more “interesting” in those days, it was also a lot less expensive. In my teens and twenties Spain was accessible at little cost other than cheek at Dover and my poor overexercised thumb. Once I got there I could live in far more comfort than I could find in England at what I could afford. Give me a flea ridden Fonda over any Spike or “common lodging” in England at that time.We are by and large far richer in years these days
I have high hopes for, and belief in, our young inhabitants of this world. I do not think they are much different than us oldtimers: But we oldtimers have only created wars and threats of wars: Nothing to be proud of.Or is it just the pure economics? The Camino might have been more “interesting” in those days, it was also a lot less expensive. In my teens and twenties Spain was accessible at little cost other than cheek at Dover and my poor overexercised thumb. Once I got there I could live in far more comfort than I could find in England at what I could afford. Give me a flea ridden Fonda over any Spike or “common lodging” in England at that time.
For the current youth. My experience is that they’ll fly to Thailand, Florida or Agadir and they’ll save Camino till they’re retired and financially comfortable.
I think there are several factors at play. Money is one. But perhaps the biggest is that it used to be a much more demanding challenge. No luggage transport. Very little private accommodation - in some places you slept in refugios or outdoors no matter your budget. Some refugios only offered bare floors to sleep on. As late as 1990 pilgrims slept on straw on the beaten earth floor of a palloza in O Cebreiro and the toilets for the Samos refugio were a clump of trees opposite the monastery. I assume the monks had their own more private arrangements! There were a few sections with stages over 30km between accommodation or even food supplies. No refugio or private rooms between Astorga and Molinaseca for example. To walk the 800km you needed a higher level of fitness and greater willingness to accept very basic conditions than is the norm today. I think that younger people were more ready to do that than the older generations.Or is it just the pure economics? The Camino might have been more “interesting” in those days, it was also a lot less expensive.
To me it's a paradox. I benefit immensely making myself get out of my comfort zone. But the more I live outside my comfort zone the harder it gets to live in my comfort zone.
Agree with many of the points. I think younger folks (far better behaved than those of previous times in my view!!!), have broader horizons, and are able to activate those horizons. Internet awareness, more money, etc.I think there are several factors at play. Money is one. But perhaps the biggest is that it used to be a much more demanding challenge. No luggage transport. Very little private accommodation - in some places you slept in refugios or outdoors no matter your budget. Some refugios only offered bare floors to sleep on. As late as 1990 pilgrims slept on straw on the beaten earth floor of a palloza in O Cebreiro and the toilets for the Samos refugio were a clump of trees opposite the monastery. I assume the monks had their own more private arrangements! There were a few sections with stages over 30km between accommodation or even food supplies. No refugio or private rooms between Astorga and Molinaseca for example. To walk the 800km you needed a higher level of fitness and greater willingness to accept very basic conditions than is the norm today. I think that younger people were more ready to do that than the older generations.
This is one of my favourites.Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final
We're on the slippery slope from the moment we're born. The pursuit of stuff (and of the comfortable at all costs) takes so much of this life's energy - and we willingly sacrifice all that energy until we realize that truly the next breath could be our last.Life is far less secure than the narrative in our heads.
When people ask me why, my reply is usually "because I still can." I usually go on to talk about how deaths and debilitating illness of close friends and family in the past few years have reminded me of my own mortality. I feel fortunate to still be of good health at the age of 66 and that I still can do long distance hiking. I hiked the entire French Way in 2022 and I'm currently hiking the 800-mile California Mission Trail. I plan to hike the Portuguese Way with my wife in May/June of this year. I hike because I can!I notice that a lot of people who post here talk about not putting the Camino off. The underlying theme being death, the relentless march of time. I honestly love that. My wife passed from cancer in 2021. We didn’t know she had it till it was very advanced. From diagnosis to death was one month.
Her parents always dreamed of taking a big road trip and going “out west” (USA). At one time they had the time, health and money, but never just got in the car and went. So that proverbial ship sailed.
My first wife had poor health so, we traveled when we could. We even went overseas a few times. Older people, mostly widows, would say that they always had big plans to do things, but their spouse died and now they were going alone.
Life is far less secure than the narrative in our heads. We imagine our future and think that time is plentiful. I assure you it probably isn’t for you or me. In fact, one of my grandfathers last words was about how quickly his life had flown by. Even if we live to be old and manage to stay healthy it goes by fast.
The Camino is like a sort of reminder for me that we live while there’s time and time is short. Work on making your life happier and also for the suffering people around you, whatever that means. I’m kinda done with the idea of vacations. Every trip for me is more about exploring and getting connected.
My new wife is very much a soul mate in this journey now. I’m very lucky. And we remind each other to stay joyful, even in the troubles that come from being human.
I have been curious about this trail, but prob not a bucket list for me. Are you hiking it in one go, or in stages? I have heard it is mostly on roads. I have not actually done any research, but rarely have read on this forum about its existence.I'm currently hiking the 800-mile California Mission Trail. I
Google it Chris. There is a web page with all the information you might want.I have been curious about this trail, but prob not a bucket list for me. Are you hiking it in one go, or in stages? I have heard it is mostly on roads. I have not actually done any research, but rarely have read on this forum about its existence.
This is actually the second time I've hike the trail. I completed it about 10+ years ago. I was the 12 person in modern history to have completed the trail. I think we're somewhere around 80 now that completed it. In a nutshell, it's nowhere as developed as the Camino de Santiago and a much more difficult trail.I have been curious about this trail, but prob not a bucket list for me. Are you hiking it in one go, or in stages? I have heard it is mostly on roads. I have not actually done any research, but rarely have read on this forum about its existence.
Having just turned 79 I can very much relate to your post and while I have too much health/wealth deficiency to actually walk a Camino (or other paths) my present hobby/goal is to create Web-Apps which include some Camino paths.I notice that a lot of people who post here talk about not putting the Camino off. The underlying theme being death, the relentless march of time. I honestly love that. My wife passed from cancer in 2021. We didn’t know she had it till it was very advanced. From diagnosis to death was one month.
Her parents always dreamed of taking a big road trip and going “out west” (USA). At one time they had the time, health and money, but never just got in the car and went. So that proverbial ship sailed.
My first wife had poor health so, we traveled when we could. We even went overseas a few times. Older people, mostly widows, would say that they always had big plans to do things, but their spouse died and now they were going alone.
Life is far less secure than the narrative in our heads. We imagine our future and think that time is plentiful. I assure you it probably isn’t for you or me. In fact, one of my grandfathers last words was about how quickly his life had flown by. Even if we live to be old and manage to stay healthy it goes by fast.
The Camino is like a sort of reminder for me that we live while there’s time and time is short. Work on making your life happier and also for the suffering people around you, whatever that means. I’m kinda done with the idea of vacations. Every trip for me is more about exploring and getting connected.
My new wife is very much a soul mate in this journey now. I’m very lucky. And we remind each other to stay joyful, even in the troubles that come from being human.
Hello sir. I believe I met you in Puente La Reina in 2019. Good to see you here.I walked my first Camino Frances in 2018 at age 66. I set off for my 5th in April this year. Would have liked to have started sooner, but I am grateful that I found out about the Camino at all. Best thing I have done lately to ‘stay young’ - see att photo, should have done this earlier too!!!
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