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Ten days ago the queue inside the cathedral to visit the crypt was an hour long.On a positive note, there is rarely a line up to visit the tomb of Santiago.
I am intentionally refraining from saying anything pro or con about the new queuing system, as I have worked for the past six years, each summer, for a month. I would very much like to be welcomed back next year.
These people are very good friends, and are like a second family to me. We may, and do disagree sometimes. But I am going to avoid being critical in public.
The new system has promise. However they rolled it out on a very rainy, very busy Friday. We also had a lot of groups. This was a HUGE independent variable.
As an FYI, Friday is statistically the busiest day of the week during the season. The season starts with Semana Santa and ends about 1 October, after the universities are back in session, and annual holidays are exhausted.
By about 10:00 pm, when the paid staff finally left, instead of at 9:00 pm, volunteers and paid staff had processed some 3,200 pilgrims. Most of those were in groups.
The actual counting is running seriously behind. I was given that number orally, by a permanent staffer when I arrived for duty this morning.
In other words, management chose to roll out this new system on the worst possible day. Some of the variables they could have controlled better. Other variables were unknown when they opened for business yesterday, Friday.
I suggest that everyone just chill. Change DOES NOT come easy to anything within the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. This includes the Camino Pilgrim Office at Santiago de Compostela.
Face it, the single-line, first-come-first-served queuing has been used for some 1,000 years in this process. Anything that changes this process is NOT going to come easily, either to pilgrims or the folks trying to welcome them.
They will work it out on their own. So long as there are no broken bones, blood in the streets or a general breakdown of law and order, we will survive this.
I am asking for general patience and understanding while the Pilgrim Office continues to build this airplane, while flying it. The best news is that the season is drawing to a close.
Hope this helps.
Yesterday was the second busiest day in October, probably the lead up to the national holiday on October 12.I arrived yesterday at 1500
It depends. They issued nearly 3,000 compostelas on July 28, 2019, so the limit depends on the number of volunteers. My guess is that they get fewer volunteers in October than in July.So they are limited to about 1000 a day.
If they can only process 1000 a day and more than 1000 arrive, is there any alternative that would not also involve the backlog getting pushed back to the next day until the numbers coming in reduce to less than a 1000? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like this isn't so much a result of a new system giving people numbers and more a result of more pilgrims arriving each day than they have volunteers to process.I arrived yesterday at 1500 and was told no more tickets that day. I know this was the case as early as 1300. So if you must get your Compostela the first day get to the office early. It opens at 0800 and by 0715 there were more than 60 people waiting. By 0800 there were more than 300 waiting. They were processing the Compostela at about 1 per min So they are limited to about 1000 a day. I got mine just after 0900. You can monitor the queue using the QR code on the ticket you get at the start which takes you here https://catedral.df-server.info/?num=66&fecha=2019-10-11&lang=1. Overall not a great system as ever Day the backlog get pushed back to the next day and just accumulated until the numbers coming in each day reduce to less than a 1000.
That looks like quite a nasty line up to get inside the cathedral. Is this due to the construction limiting the number of entry doors?Actually, I've found the que to see Jimmy is often longer, on this day it zig zagged across the square and back down the street!
I am very glad I spent 2 nights in SDC as it was my favorite city on the CF. Lodging was higher though but I made last minute rsvp and it was very close to the cathedral so it was over 100€/night. Well worth it though. After 8pm the streets really came alive"However, YOU MUST PLAN ENOUGH TIME to remain in Santiago long enough to be there to be processed. This means that all arriving pilgrims who want a Compostela and / or Distance Certificate should plan to stay a minimum of one night at Santiago after arrival. I recommend staying for two nights to ensure you can both receive these documents and see the other pilgrim arrival ritual things around Santiago."
Not long ago the hoteliers were complaining that pilgrims don´t spend enough time (and money) in the city -- they blow in, get their compostela, and blow out. I don´t want to be cynical, but this new regimen provides a clever solution to that "problem."
No construction, this was taken in a wet December a few years back. The problem was the entry for the tomb was the same as the statue, once inside they did allow you to leave the statue que and go down to the tomb, the line there was pretty slow as most visitors go in alone and spend time in prayer. Other times I've been there is a seperate door open for tomb visits and the line isn't as long.That looks like quite a nasty line up to get inside the cathedral. Is this due to the construction limiting the number of entry doors?
I've been fortunate that each time I've been in SDC, (and I'll visit the cathedral and the tomb multiple times each visit), there has been zero wait at the entrance to the tomb. Sometimes I've had the tomb entirely to myself.
There's usually a line for the stairs up to the statue but I haven't felt the need to go back up there since the first visit.
Just went Sept 2019 and no line to get into Cathedral. I stumbled on it by accident, it is on the side of the church (if facing the cathedral, the right side). I had gone to Plaza Quintana behind the cathedral for a massage and saw a security guard checking people's bags. It's free to enter and the botafumeriro rope is visible. Lots of scaffoding inside and out. But I'm glad I saw the tomb.No construction, this was taken in a wet December a few years back. The problem was the entry for the tomb was the same as the statue, once inside they did allow you to leave the statue que and go down to the tomb, the line there was pretty slow as most visitors go in alone and spend time in prayer. Other times I've been there is a seperate door open for tomb visits and the line isn't as long.
I must admit I now avoid the cathedral and pilgram office, as I find the crush of people hard to take after completing one of the more isolated caminos. @Rebekah Scott has a point in that you need to find your own way to complete your Camino.
"However, YOU MUST PLAN ENOUGH TIME to remain in Santiago long enough to be there to be processed. This means that all arriving pilgrims who want a Compostela and / or Distance Certificate should plan to stay a minimum of one night at Santiago after arrival. I recommend staying for two nights to ensure you can both receive these documents and see the other pilgrim arrival ritual things around Santiago."
Not long ago the hoteliers were complaining that pilgrims don´t spend enough time (and money) in the city -- they blow in, get their compostela, and blow out. I don´t want to be cynical, but this new regimen provides a clever solution to that "problem."
The fact that the pilgrim office is still recording 893 pilgrims on a Wednesday in late October is fairly noteworthy though!Of course, all this is not newsworthy ....
On 23 October - a Wednesday - they recorded 893 arrivals. I would be surprised if that had dropped all the way to just 60 in only 7 days. I think the "season" is going to be wider again this year.One of the full time staff said last week that at the end of this month there'd be 60 a day.
Am I being judged for my choice to want “that tourist souvenir?” I am 5 k short of Santiago, and yes, I want that memento after walking for 7 weeks. And I don’t think I should be deemed foolish to do so. If it has lost all meaning for you, please don’t rain on our parade. Peace to you.I look at all the above lunacy, and I see the Compostela has lost all meaning. The cathedral of Santiago de Compostela has created a many-headed monster. A thousand-year-old institution dedicated to a simple message of grace has evolved into an exploitative, automated mess.
Like I said in another thread, if the Church wants to maintain its moral integrity, it's time it got out of the tourist souvenir business. And maybe it's time for pilgrims to consider why this paper souvenir is so important that they're willing to be treated like cattle at the end of a meaningful journey.
Which between 12 workers in the office would be about 60 a day each31 October now and this was today's figure from the pilgrim office ticket system.
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I obviously misread your post above as I did not read the 60 you quoted as referring to the number of Compostelas processed by each individual volunteer or staff member.Which between 12 workers in the office would be about 60 a day each
That is the math, but I took the earlier post to mean a total number.Which between 12 workers in the office would be about 60 a day each
Date | Compostelas | Date | Compostelas | Date | Compostelas |
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1 Oct | 1.224 | 11 Oct | 1.677 | 21 Oct | 873 |
2 Oct | 1.413 | 12 Oct | 1.417 | 22 Oct | 976 |
3 Oct | 1.225 | 13 Oct | 1.480 | 23 Oct | 893 |
4 Oct | 1.413 | 14 Oct | 1.023 | 24 Oct | 827 |
5 Oct | 1.298 | 15 Oct | 1.020 | 25 Oct | 1.286 |
6 Oct | 1.152 | 16 Oct | 1.033 | 26 Oct | 913 |
7 Oct | 1.118 | 17 Oct | 1.054 | 27 Oct | 1.000 |
8 Oct | 998 | 18 Oct | 1.583 | 28 Oct | 642 |
9 Oct | 1.412 | 19 Oct | 1.195 | 29 Oct | 616 |
10 Oct | 1.447 | 20 Oct | 1.062 | 30 Oct | 609 |
| | | | 31 Oct | 832 |
| | | | Total: | 34.711 |
That's the Holy Door,must be a Holy year.View attachment 65727
Actually, I've found the que to see Jimmy is often longer, on this day it zig zagged across the square and back down the street!
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A digital Compostela?! That is news to me. I would appreciate knowing more about this.The QR system was scrapped because of the potential breach of EC data protection laws. Current rules suggest that you collect a receipt for at least €5 expenditure from every bar/cafe you pass.
OK, not true. The QR system is up and running, you can even get a digital Compostela: who would raise a digit to that
Tom, I probably made that up too. I see that registration of QR codes for the Digital Credencial is up & running on the PO website. I guess the Last Stamp and a ping Compostella won't be far behind.I would like to know more about the digital Compostela though
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