gerardcarey
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Thank you. That was lovely.The Guitar.
It is the instrument that springs to my mind when Spanish music is mentioned.
"What if," I thought, "I downloaded a selection to my phone and played them, on my little bluetooth speaker, during my picnic lunches along the Camino.
"That would be cool in a relaxing, yet relevant and appropriate way," I thought.
But would that annoy my fellow, perhaps meditative, pilgrims?
Or would it perhaps change the mind of some. who would consider more popular music to be intrusive? And on hearing my selection realise that music is a matter of taste, and it is volume that often makes it intrusive.
My music was without exception well received at lunch time along the Way, and often during relaxation after laundry and showering duties were accomplished towards the end of day.
Here is selection No 1 from my playlist.
Recuerdos de la Alhambra (Memories of the Alhambra) - By Francisco Tarrega - Composed in 1896.
A famous piece which appears in the repertoire of most, if not all, classical guitarists.
There appears to be disagreement on who is actually playing on the following utube clip. Perhaps that's a good thing.
Utilising the Tremelo effect, in which the three fingers immediately after the thumb pluck a single note consecutively and in such rapid succession that the result sounds almost like one long sustained note. Simultaneously, the thumb plucks an almost basslike accompaniment . Many who have heard the piece initially think it is performed by two guitarists.
Ok Gerard, Enough with the blather. Post the link.
Regards and a belated Happy New Year!
Gerard
PS
Careful - Acclamation may lead to further Selections being posted, to the annoyance of the 'Yuk Classical Music' brigade.
PPS
Leave utube running and enjoy.
I love classical music. And classical guitar.But would that annoy my fellow, perhaps meditative, pilgrims?
It's volume, yes, partly. And partly content. But it's also a matter of imposing any music on people who might prefer not to listen to it.music is a matter of taste, and it is volume that often makes it intrusive.
As you advise Indeed it does contains a collection of Spanish pieces, but unfortunately for me all played by John Williams. My playlist was to give preference to a variety of mainly Spanish artists with a smattering of deserving others, Williams being one.If you like Spanish/classical guitar music, you may like the CD “Greatest hits of the guitar” by John Williams (if it is still available). Apart from Recuerdos de la Alhambra and classical pieces by Bach, Händel and other classical composers, it also contains a collection of Spanish pieces, e.g. Sevilla, Asturias, Spanish Dance, El Colibri and more.
I am just lucky but I have never been subjected to loud pop/whatever on the Camino, and have heard no complaints from others. Perhaps our youngsters have more manners than is generally acknowledged. I certainly think so.Bluetooth earphones are a better answer.
It was and is the 'Black Legend' that did and will continue to concern me in this regard.
Then you haven't walked at same time as I, and although no longer a youngster but I have a little game of cat and mouse. When I pass sometimes with a piece of music playing (volume appropriate) from my mobile like the cyclist that you hear in the distance and suddenly passes with a ring or not of the bell and is gone again. I do the same, at a healthy waking pace and those that want to listen will attempt to catch-up. I walk my camino, my way and that includes my desire to choose an appropriate piece of music that's appropriate but I am mindful of others hence the reason I pass and continue at pace and manage the volume. Sometimes the music spurs me on when tired, others are receptive and comment positively and it can be a conversation starter. Personally I'm not keen on your piece of music but I would have enjoyed listening to it when approaching and likely have gone into 4th or 5th (proverbial walking gear) and in a few mimutes I'd be gone, out of sight and out of earshot with a smile on my face and spring in my stepI am just lucky but I have never been subjected to loud pop/whatever on the Camino, and have heard no complaints from others. Perhaps our youngsters have more manners than is generally acknowledged.
We are getting a little off track so I'll reply via a conversationBlack legend?
I think thats a great idea, others I've witnessed playing their various instruments gather a crowd and it became an icebreaker for conversation and a little music playing in background over a bocadilo heightens the senses, adds to the experience and encourages healthy conversation. Anyone not wanting to listen can walk on bye and eat up a mountain, alone in perfect harmony with natures bird chorus eating their carrot sticks and humus contemplating how golden their silence is. Or you could simply choose both options"What if," I thought, "I downloaded a selection to my phone and played them, on my little bluetooth speaker, during my picnic lunches along the Camino.
I don't.I think thats a great idea
This is one reason I prefer more solitary caminos. I'm not in the least antisocial, but I find this kind of thing to be as pleasant as having a mosquito hovering around my ears.I have a little game of cat and mouse.
For some people maybe, but some of us find the taste of the food to be sense content enough, and others would rather converse without competing with background noise. The post may be your experience but it's not everybody's...a little music playing in background over a bocadilo heightens the senses, adds to the experience and encourages healthy conversation.
Thank you. I like your first explanation as well. I spent some time in Denia, Spain over the holidays, and I learned that after the Reconquista, the Moors all over Spain were eventually forced into deportation. Denia was one of the main ports from which they left.I should perhaps include that on first investigating this piece many years ago I was told that it spoke to the dismay of the Moor after his final glance back at the Alhambra Palace that he and his ancestors had lived in for hundreds of years. They were leaving their wonderful home forever after the defeat of their army by the now conquering forces of Christianity.
The music expresses the emotion leading to "The Moor's last sigh."
A more recent explanation states the music echos the sound of the water in the many marvelous fountains that decorate the Alhambra.
I'll stick with the first.
I found this with a quick google search:Black legend?
I don't
For reasons explained in post #10Sorry, but why do you need to subject the rest of us to your music?
Praise the lordThe post may be your experience but it's not everybody's...
How interesting is the fact of the expulsion of the Moriscos, the Christian descendants of Spanish Muslims who had been forceably converted to Christianity.Thank you. I like your first explanation as well. I spent some time in Denia, Spain over the holidays, and I learned that after the Reconquista, the Moors all over Spain were eventually forced into deportation. Denia was one of the main ports from which they left.
I also am not a fan of people who play music on the Camino because some of it is SUPER ANNOYING but I did enjoy this and thanks for sharing.The Guitar.
It is the instrument that springs to my mind when Spanish music is mentioned.
"What if," I thought, "I downloaded a selection to my phone and played them, on my little bluetooth speaker, during my picnic lunches along the Camino.
"That would be cool in a relaxing, yet relevant and appropriate way," I thought.
But would that annoy my fellow, perhaps meditative, pilgrims?
Or would it perhaps change the mind of some. who would consider more popular music to be intrusive? And on hearing my selection realise that music is a matter of taste, and it is volume that often makes it intrusive.
My music was without exception well received at lunch time along the Way, and often during relaxation after laundry and showering duties were accomplished towards the end of day.
Here is selection No 1 from my playlist.
Recuerdos de la Alhambra (Memories of the Alhambra) - Composed by Francisco Tarrega in 1896.
A famous piece which appears in the repertoire of most, if not all, classical guitarists.
There appears to be disagreement on who is actually playing on the following utube clip.
Perhaps that's a good thing.
Utilising the Tremelo effect, in which the three fingers immediately after the thumb pluck a single note consecutively and in such rapid succession that the result sounds almost like one long sustained note. Simultaneously, the thumb plucks an almost basslike accompaniment . Many who have heard the piece initially think it is performed by two guitarists.
Ok Gerard, Enough with the blather. Post the link.
Regards and a belated Happy New Year!
Gerard
PS
Careful - Acclamation may lead to further Selections being posted, to the annoyance of the 'Yuk Classical Music' brigade.
PPS
Leave utube running and enjoy.
It may interest you that the guitar is not the "national instrument" of Northern Spain. Fine if you're doing the de la Plata or Mozarabe but if you're on the del Norte and feel the need to have regionally appropriate music you need to start looking for gaita - bagpipe music. Loads of it there - by way of intro The Chieftains have recorded "Santiago" representing a voyage thru the 4 northern provinces with music from each. There are several early or medieval music ensembles on classical labels with church music and hymns written for the Camino. I can recommend several of those if you or any other reader is interested. Listening should be kept to headphones though. I sparingly do this even though I adore music, because I love the sounds of nature while walking !The Guitar.
It is the instrument that springs to my mind when Spanish music is mentioned.
"What if," I thought, "I downloaded a selection to my phone and played them, on my little bluetooth speaker, during my roadside, picnic lunch stops along the Camino.
"That would be cool in a relaxing, yet relevant and appropriate way," I thought.
But would that annoy my fellow, perhaps meditative, pilgrims?
Or would it perhaps change the mind of some who would consider more popular music to be intrusive, but on hearing my selection realise that music is a matter of taste, and it is sometimes volume, and not selection that make it intrusive.
My music was without exception well received at lunch time along the Way, and often during relaxation after laundry and showering duties were accomplished towards the end of day.
Here is Selection No 1 from my playlist.
Recuerdos de la Alhambra (Memories of the Alhambra) - Composed by Francisco Tarrega in 1896.
A famous piece which appears in the repertoire of most, if not all, classical guitarists.
There appears to be disagreement on who is actually playing on the following utube clip.
Perhaps that's a good thing.
Utilising the Tremelo effect, the three fingers immediately after the thumb pluck a single note consecutively and in such rapid succession that the result sounds almost like one long sustained note. Simultaneously, the thumb plucks an almost basslike accompaniment . Many who have heard the piece initially think it is performed by two guitarists.
Ok Gerard, Enough with the blather. Post the link.
Regards and a belated Happy New Year!
Gerard
PS
Careful - Acclamation may lead to further Selections being posted, to the annoyance of the 'Yuk Classical Music' brigade.
PPS
Leave utube running and enjoy.
My thoughts precisely. Much more appropriate selection in your final paragraph. The Spanish guitar and flamenco has much great music but people are mistaken if they think it's "Camino music". Keep it for the Costas !Music can really lift a person when they are feeling down or despondent. So if you are on the Camino and you need perking up after a few kilometers, or the weather turns atrocious then play some music if you find it helpful. However do it responsibly using earphones! However you also need to be extra aware of your surroundings since you do not run down on a stretch of Camino Road, or a Bicigrino who is ringing his warning bell and you step directly into his path!.
Music is subjective but my list would include:
Gasper Sanz - Laberintos Ingeniosos - Xavier Diaz-Latorre
Julian Bream - Spanish Guitar Music - The Wesminter Recording
Pepe Romero - Concierto De Aranjuez - Neville Marriner)
Berroguetto - Navicularia and Viaxe Por Urticaria (Spanish/Galician Folk Music - used on the Film the Way)
Carlos Nunez - Aires De Pontevedra, etc.
Fado: Um Tesouro Português (from Portugal, there is more to Iberia than just Flamenco!)
If you are travelling on one of the Southern Caminos I would include Sefardi Music:. After all before 1492 Spain was a rich multicultural society Blending Muslim/Jewish and Christianity. Christians from the Moorish South were allowed to go on Pilgimage. It was just the recurrent wars that got in the way!
Fortuna: Ladino Songs & Sephardic Music
Yamma Ensemble: Sephardic ladino from 15th century
Yes, when I watch a video about a Camino in Galicia, Asturias or the Basque country with Spanish guitar music it sounds strange to me.My thoughts precisely. Much more appropriate selection in your final paragraph. The Spanish guitar and flamenco has much great music but people are mistaken if they think it's "Camino music". Keep it for the Costas !
Apart from Asturias almost none of these pieces has anything to do with the vast majority of Caminos! You need to look to either the more Celtic nature of Asturian and Galician music with their preponderance for bagpipes and bouzouki, or the medieval hymns and church music actually composed for the Camino in the Medieval period. Guitars are for the sunny south and the Costas - not the Camino !If you like Spanish/classical guitar music, you may like the CD “Greatest hits of the guitar” by John Williams (if it is still available). Apart from Recuerdos de la Alhambra and classical pieces by Bach, Händel and other classical composers, it also contains a collection of Spanish pieces, e.g. Sevilla, Asturias, Spanish Dance, El Colibri and more.
Guitars are for the sunny south and the Costas - not the Camino !
Guitar music is not appropriate for Galicia, Asturias or Basque country?
I can't believe I'm reading such piffle.
So Wagner should be kept for the exclusive enjoyment of Germans?
I could of course go on ad nauseum.
But I just cant be bothered.
Gerard
Leaving aside the Via de la Plata and the Mozarabe and the other Caminos in the sunny south, I'm sure the folks organizing the CaminoArtes guitar classes and concerts along the Camino Frances in Palencia would benefit from your wisdom that their art has no place there.Guitars are for the sunny south and the Costas - not the Camino!
A recommendation with a backstory. On my most recent Camino Frances in 2016 I had the good fortune to hear James Kline playing his unique instrument at a fundraiser in Carrion de Los Condes. The next night serendipity led me to Moratinos where I was invited to share in the celebrations for the 10th anniversary of Rebekah and Paddy arriving in the village. And who should be the star attraction and fellow guest?This particular tune was inspired by a region of Spain, written by a Belgian and is played by an American who lives in France. Something of the Camino in that
I said that it sounds strange to me.Guitar music is not appropriate for Galicia, Asturias or the Basque country?
I can't believe I'm reading such piffle.
So Wagner should be kept for the exclusive enjoyment of Germans?
I could of course go on ad nauseum.
But I just cant be bothered.
Gerard
Not really .I think thats a great idea,
Why not?Not really .
You are I'm sure aware that a very large number of commercial enterprises along the Caminos use that name as part of their business plan, so calling something "Camino" this, that or the other hardly qualifies as proving anything. I had hoped not to see sarcasm such as yours on this site. I have no problem you disagreeing with me , but my opinion remains there is a body of music specifically written for the Camino and regional culture is more appropriate than imported stuff. 2 weeks ago I attended a Paco Peña concert in Dublin. I love Spanish guitar - just not on CaminoLeaving aside the Via de la Plata and the Mozarabe and the other Caminos in the sunny south, I'm sure the folks organizing the CaminoArtes guitar classes and concerts along the Camino Frances in Palencia would benefit from your wisdom that their art has no place there.
My thoughts precisely. Much more appropriate selection in your final paragraph. The Spanish guitar and flamenco has much great music but people are mistaken if they think it's "Camino music". Keep it for the Costas !
Thank you. I began with number 11, and decided to go back to the beginning, as I have an hour to spare, unexpectedly. I look forward to listening to all the offerings. Here, at home. I never listen to music when I am out and about. I look forward to experimenting with a set of over ear phones when they arrive - part of a deal with a newspaper offer I decided was worth it. It is 24/7 online news, and an actual weekend paper. The earphones have a fair chance of being used. The pop in type, earbuds or whatever, don’t stay in my ears. Now, to number two.The Guitar.
It is the instrument that springs to my mind when Spanish music is mentioned.
"What if," I thought, "I downloaded a selection to my phone and played them, on my little bluetooth speaker, during my roadside, picnic lunch stops along the Camino.
"That would be cool in a relaxing, yet relevant and appropriate way," I thought.
But would that annoy my fellow, perhaps meditative, pilgrims?
Or would it perhaps change the mind of some who would consider more popular music to be intrusive, but on hearing my selection realise that music is a matter of taste, and it is sometimes volume, and not selection that make it intrusive.
My music was without exception well received at lunch time along the Way, and often during relaxation after laundry and showering duties were accomplished towards the end of day.
Here is Selection No 1 from my playlist.
Recuerdos de la Alhambra (Memories of the Alhambra) - Composed by Francisco Tarrega in 1896.
A famous piece which appears in the repertoire of most, if not all, classical guitarists.
There appears to be disagreement on who is actually playing on the following utube clip.
Perhaps that's a good thing.
Utilising the Tremelo effect, the three fingers immediately after the thumb pluck a single note consecutively and in such rapid succession that the result sounds almost like one long sustained note. Simultaneously, the thumb plucks an almost basslike accompaniment . Many who have heard the piece initially think it is performed by two guitarists.
Ok Gerard, Enough with the blather. Post the link.
Regards and a belated Happy New Year!
Gerard
PS
Careful - Acclamation may lead to further Selections being posted, to the annoyance of the 'Yuk Classical Music' brigade.
PPS
Leave utube running and enjoy.
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