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Hi JabbaPapa,On my 1994, I was walking an average 42K/day, and had about a month of the Camino already in my legs.
I left SJPP at about 11AM, and just barely made it to the Albergue in Roncesvalles in time. I was averaging about 6kph on the flat.
But that was in July or August.
Sunset will be much earlier, and October weather in the Pyrenees is unpredictable. I was a very fast walker, and your plan is unrealistic. Start the next morning instead, as by October some Albergues will already be closed.
Hello Kathar1na,I may be misreading comments in this threadbut I think that we here on the forum are meant when @JonnyRosa refers to "colleagues".
That is a gut-wrenching ride(and expensive)
I had booked a Pilgrim friendly taxi service online ahead of time from Pamplona to SJPdP in mid April 2017. No one arrived at the train station to pick up my family of four, although others were being whisked away. After several attempts we finally were able to get someone to take us; a young man in a very small car who drove like a maniac with three of us squished together in the back seat. I think he envisioned himself as a Nascar driver. I hung on to the seat in front of me for dear life and "nearly had a heart attack" as he snaked and swerved back and forth on the mountainy narrow roads through the trees and village pullouts.Never done it myself, but many do it seems.........
Thank you very much Katar1na,There's a short catalogue of the dangers in the mountains on the website of the Pilgrim Association of SJPP. The area between SJPP and Roncesvalles is not really the high Pyrenees, i.e. it is more hills than mountains, but this catalogue applies, too. It is in French. It has been on their website since 2004 at least, i.e. for 20 years now. Translated into English, it goes like this [shortened extract]:
As any experienced pilgrim will tell you, hiking in the mountains is only slightly more difficult than hiking on the plains. Except that ...
- except that when the weather is fine, the sun is both brighter and hotter than on the plains, so beware of sunburn and ophthalmia which give you the endearing look of a rabbit with myxomatosis;
- except that when it is cold on the plains, it is 8 ºC colder at 1000 meters higher up;
- except that the cool breeze you enjoy on the plains turns into a storm, blowing through your clothes, tearing off your hat, flipping over your umbrella and lifting your poncho over your head;
- except that a bit rain on the plains turns into a violent downpour or into snow when it is cold. Hotter sun, more intense cold, stronger wind or heavier rain: there is still nothing to frighten the mountaineer in you;
As any experienced mountaineer will tell you, crossing the mountains is like crossing the plains. Except that ...Taking all precautions to minimise small inconveniences and allowing plenty of time to deal with them should they occur ought to be a no-brainer for everyone who starts from SJPP for Roncesvalles. Alas, it isn't.
- except that, in the mountains, a complication rarely happens on its own, and that the big difficulty starts when several small inconveniences occur at the same time and combine their effects.
I had already noticed that the route leaves the road in this section, and I was always curious. I had never seen the map with the routes on the road and off the road. I agree with you that walking on solid ground is more productive.This thread is incredibly entertaining.
Except that nobody mentioned that almost the entire climb, from the Nive river in SJPP, elevation 160 m, to Thibault Cross at 1227 m of elevation, is 15 km of STREETWALKING. Yes, you do the entire climb on tarmac road D428*. How does it relate to "hiking"?
Similarly, if one chooses the Ibañeta variant (I recommend it myself, the views are great), then the entire descent from the Lepoeder viewpoint to the Ibañeta Chapel is STREETWALKING again! On a hard surface, tarmac road. How does it relate to "hiking"?
The entire "hiking" part is 5.5 km long, between Thibault Cross and Lepoeder. And if the weather is good, it's really not difficult. If the weather is bad, you don't go to the mountains. Simple as that.
*There is a 850 m stretch between Honto and Orisson that is NOT on the road, but it's perfectly fine to stay on the D428. Many people stay on the road because the climb, although a bit longer, is more gradual. Following the yellow Camino arrows saves you a few hundred metres, but it doesn't save you time - on the road you walk much faster. The map below.
There's no need to apologize, Stephan. In fact, I'm the one who thanks you for your words.@JonnyRosa I apologize for being slightly rude, but I think it's a poor idea and a really risky plan and I don't think you should do it. Too much can go wrong. You might ruin your Camino on the first day.
But there's always the mountain hut at about KM 20 at Col Lepoeder(I think). I met someone on my last Camino who ended up in the dark in the mountains and spent the night there. It was filled with garbage when I saw it this past April.
Also if it's more important to you to get started on your first day, you could just skip this whole SJPP Napolean route thing and just start from Pamplona. It's still a big beautiful Camino.
Alternatively, if you're coming from Madrid, there is a way to skip Pamplona entirely and take a bus directly to Bayonne, and then a train to SJPP in one day. On a Blabla bus. Obviously, you'll have to search for your particular day.
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So it would appear. I was presuming the word was being used in its normal sense and referred to people with whom he worked closely.I may be misreading comments in this threadbut I think that we here on the forum are meant when @JonnyRosa refers to "colleagues".
I don't know how the desire to do the Camino de Santiago grew in me.@JonnyRosa - Can you share with us how much time you have planned to walk the Camino?
And what are you hoping to get out of the experience?
I had already noticed that the route leaves the road in this section, and I was always curious. I had never seen the map with the routes on the road and off the road. I agree with you that walking on solid ground is more productive.
1 Km every ten minutes, it was that simple. Well "simple", that was with a Camino the year previously plus about 6-8 months of intensive training during a period of paid unemployment.Thank you very much for your words, your experience is very important to me and will certainly help me.
I have no experience in mountain/hiking and I am not familiar with the term "speed on the flat". Do you remember the speed you were going on the trail when you refer to "6 km/h on the flat"?
When you're that fast, things basically just roll up as they come.In general, how did you manage your 42 km/day in terms of stops, food, schedules...?
I walked Roncesvalles > SJPP just over a month ago, and the people walking up in the afternoon were pretty much headed to Orisson or Borda. Not Roncesvalles, and very likely they had pre-booked.I expected to find many people who had already walked this stretch in the afternoon, but I was completely wrong.
The Napoleon Route will be closed on October 31 until April 1. Any earlier closure would be because of the specific weather conditions.This will not be possible in October as the Napoleon Route will be officially closed.
It's not a hiking trail, it's a foot pilgrimage.How does it relate to "hiking"?
In mid April on my first Camino Frances in 2015, I had a reservation for the night at Corazon Puro Pension before getting a ride to SJPdP the next morning. A Spanish couple at dinner that night told us they were caught out the night before going "up and over" in the dark and had to spend the night in that hut. Another couple talked about the slippery, slushy melting snow...it isn't always a "bowl of cherries".But there's always the mountain hut at about KM 20 at Col Lepoeder(I think). I met someone on my last Camino who ended up in the dark in the mountains and spent the night there. It was filled with garbage when I saw it this past April.
I am not sure whether you refer to my post where the English verb "hiking" does indeed appear. I did not pay much attention to it, being a non-native speaker of English.How does it relate to "hiking"?
I think I was the first to ask the OP if they had hiking experience. I would not refer to "hiking the Camino" as that is not how it see it. However, I asked the OP specifically if they did have hiking experience (elsewhere) because I think it is relevant to understanding whether they are familiar with variable and uneven terrain in dry and wet conditions, walking fairly steep uphill and downhill sections with a backpack, and general understanding of what it is like to walk in such conditions. Do they understand how weather can change in mountainous areas, and how to prepare for and cope with changing conditions? If they had answered that they have such experience, then I would have more confidence in their understanding of the risks.How does it relate to "hiking"?
There is plenty of hiking on the Camino if we want to look at it this way.
An unfortunate neologism.I see now that the French original uses the word pérégriner
That particular phrase doesn't have anything to do with the mode of travel. It states that one is a physical endeavor (hiking), and one is a spiritual endeavor (pilgrimage)."It is not a hike but a pilgrimage"
Also make sure that the road you take varies between smooth asphalt to very rocky, uneven and loose gravel. Add to that slippery dust, rain and mud. You are likely to have any, or all, of these as you cross the mountains. It is nothing like a treadmill.Before you leave for the Camino I suggest that you set aside at least 4 consecutive days and walk 15 - 20 km each day with your backpack. This is a test to see how your feet and body handle the consecutive days of long distance walking. Do it outside, not on your treadmill. If you have time, walk at least 30 km on one of those days.
Yes! But then it's called hitch-hikingIf you look up the definition of hiking, it doesn't necessarily have to be on the trail. It can be a hike along a road.
Well that goes to show he’s never met most of us.I may be misreading comments in this threadbut I think that we here on the forum are meant when @JonnyRosa refers to "colleagues".
Well that goes to show he’s never met most of us.
Yes, I think with the 137 posts and a huge majority thinking the OP should reconsider his plan, this thread has gone into "beating a dead horse" quite a while ago.Let’s stop trying to convince the man.
Well that goes to show he’s never met most of us.
Let’s stop trying to convince the man. People have done far more reckless things and got away with it.
As this appears to cause much hilarity, I googled a bit.our friend (and colleague)
I left SJPP AT 1300, 1 OCTOBER 2018, after being up all day before, flying all night from USA, then to Biarritz, then bus and train to SJPP. It took me 6 hours to walk to Roncesvalles via Napoleon pass on that beautiful day. I was very well trained and only 58 at the time. It was still daylight when I arrived.In early October, I plan to do the route from Sant Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles, leaving SJPP in the afternoon, around 2:30 p.m. I walk frequently and quickly, averaging 6 km/h. I would like to know if any of my colleagues have already done this route in the afternoon and what challenges I might be forgetting.
Hello VNwalking,Coming late to this, and have to agree with the cautious replies others have made.
Given weather, surface, and vagaries of bus schedules, it would be safer and more relaxed to walk part way if you need to start in the afternoon. Those are mountains, with mountain conditions - at the very least intense, and they kill people every year.
Thinking in terms of pacing -
Running on roads and treadmills is utterly different than what you'll be doing on the Camino. Apples and oranges. I've run 9 marathons, and done a handful of olympic-distance triathlons and one half-Ironman - as compared 8 Caminos, so have a sense of both. Perhaps if you were just doing one day on the Camino, the kind of speed you're able to do at home would be an accurate assessment of what you'll be doing on tbe camino. But it's not one day, it's plus or minus 30. So pacing yourself accordingly is important. You wouldn't run a 5K at the same pace as a marathon...same idea.
I get it that time is tight.
There's another option, though, that gets you well along, further than just Orrisson. If you walk via Valcarlos route and stay the night in Valcarlos, you'll have walked about 12.5 km - and since it's relatively flat, that would allow you time in SJPP to get your credential stamped before you hit the road. Then the next day you can continue past Roncesvalles (on the Valcarlos route, the steep part is after Valcarlos). As well as being the older and more 'authentic' way, it's gorgeous and seriously underrated.
Whatever you chose...buen camino!
Hello m108,I can't judge whether you can do it (I suppose it could be difficult). But - trudging through arguably the most beautiful part of the trail? Of course, it also depends on your motivation for walking. There is no way I would cross the Pyrenees this way. And not only because I wouldn't be able to do it, but because I think I would miss a lot. People are different. Slower walking also allows for a different "happening" in the head and soul - when we are not concerned with minutes. When you stop and admire the world in silence and peace, you allow yourself to be empty-headed and just experience the moment (or 10-15 minutes) - this is an essential part of the Camino for me. I have the feeling that with such a "race" you might lose a large part of the beauty of walking (along the Camino). But, of course - as I mentioned - it depends on your motive for walking the Camino.
Hi Tortilla,He won't talk to anyone because no one else walks to Roncesvalles at that time. And that's actually the biggest advantage I see in his approach. Although for me, leaving at 2 pm would be too late. But I've done the Napoleon route several times and twice I started at 10-11 am walking straight from the train from Bayonne and those two times have been my favorites so far. Simply because I had entire Napoleon route (almost) to myself.
Added: So, if I were in his place, I wouldn't sleep the night before in Pamplona (and wait until noon for that one miserable Alsa bus) but would try to get to Bayonne on the day of my arrival to Pamplona. There are evening buses from Pamplona to Bayonne (you have to change in San Sebastian). After a night in Bayonne, I would take the first morning train to SJPP and head out on the trail.
Even sleeping in San Sebastian instead of Pamplona would be better, because there is a 6am Alsa bus from San Sebastian to Bayonne and you can take a 8-9 am train from Bayonne to SJPP and start walking at 10:30.
Hi Tortilla,
You always want to contribute in a positive way. Thank you very much for this.
I had already thought about traveling from Pamplona to San Sebastian, spending the night there and leaving early in the morning for Bayonne where I would catch the train to SJPP. Taking this route I would arrive around 10:00 am. Considering the tiring journey with the benefit of leaving 2 hours earlier, I didn't think it would be worth it.
Did you watch the video that I posted above? It shows the terrain every step of the way.1) Some forum members stated that most of the stretch is asphalt
Wouldn't 10 am be four hours earlier?I had already thought about traveling from Pamplona to San Sebastian, spending the night there and leaving early in the morning for Bayonne where I would catch the train to SJPP. Taking this route I would arrive around 10:00 am. Considering the tiring journey with the benefit of leaving 2 hours earlier, I didn't think it would be worth
For those who are not native speakers and may not be aware, hiking along a road is not hitch-hiking unless one is also "hitching" (seeking to get a ride from passing vehicles). The actual hiking part is now optional in the usage of the word hitch-hiking (some will just wait at the entrance ramps to highways and hitch there and be considered hitchhikers), but the hitching part is not.Yes! But then it's called hitch-hiking
I just wanted to add that the last bus from Pamplona to SJPP leaves on October 11, weather permitting.
Borda and Orisson close their doors on October 17.
Seize the day, pilgrims! The end is near!
Your preparation takes care of fitness. What it doesn't do is prepare you for three things: surfaces, wayfinding, and weather.That said, what is your opinion on the preparation in relation to the execution of the plan?
I took these just after noon at the Ibeneta pass a few years ago. It was sunny and clear when we left Valcarlos that morning. Sunny and clear when we arrived at Roncesvalles early afternoon. Up on the pass? Not so much... Never underestimate the weather.You'll need to navigate. Sometimes that's very straightforward, but sometimes it can really slow you down, especially if there's fog.
In the mountains, weather is more than a bit of wind and rain, but can be extreme, no matter what it's like in SJPP. At the very least it can significantly slow you down, and make finding your way a challenge.
Ops! It was my mistake, thanks. It is 4 hours earlier.Did you watch the video that I posted above? It shows the terrain every step of the way.
Wouldn't 10 am be four hours earlier?
What about getting a taxi to SJPdP when you arrive in Pamplona instead of spending the night there?
Then you can spend the night in SJPdP and start in the morning.
Does that make a difference to your perception of if it's worth it?Ops! It was my mistake, thanks. It is 4 hours earlier.
Good luck with your plan. Please check the weather conditions on the mountain at the Pilgrim Office in St Jean. It can be fine in the valley but brutal higher up. Fog, strong wind, heavy rain all commonly occur and you wouldn't know lower down. I think you can also find out the weather conditions at Orrison. At this point you'll be about 1/3 of your way so you'll be able to check your timing too. (At Orrison you can arrange a taxi back to St Jean if necessary.)
Jonny, exactly how much time do you have to walk the CF? When do you arrive in Spain? Are you planning any rest days? How are you getting to Pamplona ? Do you need time to adjust to jet lag? Going down to Pamplona via Zubiri can also be stressful on the legs. Even if you are as fit as you project to be, I would suggest, that you give yourself the overnight in SJPdP, and then head out early the next day to Roncevalles. Most marathoners don’t fly overseas and then begin the race a day later. Don’t let your adrenaline get the best of your decision making process!Hi Trecile,
You're right. I have a tight schedule. I'm already spending the night in Pamplona the day before, and I didn't want to spend the night in SJPP and only leave the next day. So I thought about leaving the same day I arrive in SJPP. Based on my planning, I think it's feasible, but I know there are risks. If the weather is bad, I'll definitely leave the next day.
Now, trying to answer your question as honestly as I can, I would say that the same impulse that is driving me to do the Camino de Santiago is what makes me do this stretch as soon as I arrive; I don't know the real reason.
Are you walking alone or with someone else? Your biggest risks are the variability of weather, and being alone if you injure yourself on the route in bad weather.we are aware that
I hope that this thread isn't suggesting that your plan will require heroic resolve and endurance, and a dramatic baptism on Day 1.Until your story, I was almost thinking I was an alien, or someone looking for a miracle.
hello jonnyrosa
I am a hospitalero in Roncesvalles and have considerable experience with pilgrims who start late in the afternoon.
my advice is don't do it!
you arrive in the dark and when it is raining it is extra dangerous.
my advice would be:
reserve 1 bed in Orison and then leave the next morning as soon as it is light, then walk to Espinal and then to Pamplona, you have not lost a day but you have had your rest
good luck with your hike
I agree. I think that SJPdP to Roncesvalles can be done in about 5.5 - 6 hours, but 4 hours is unrealistic.I support the guy, but there is a very small chance this will be a "walk in the park" for him. Any flatlander who has only merely tilted his treadmill up occasionally is going to find out real quick how different it will be in real life.
I, too, am not questioning ,how long it will take him, but rather, what the quality of the experience will be, and what it might physically cost him after that.I agree. I think that SJPdP to Roncesvalles can be done in about 5.5 - 6 hours, but 4 hours is unrealistic.
And it won't be a "walk in the park".
I agree. I think that SJPdP to Roncesvalles can be done in about 5.5 - 6 hours, but 4 hours is unrealistic.
And it won't be a "walk in the park".
Yes, this completely changes my perception.Does that make a difference to your perception of if it's worth it?
Hello Marbe2,Jonny, exactly how much time do you have to walk the CF? When do you arrive in Spain? Are you planning any rest days? How are you getting to Pamplona ? Do you need time to adjust to jet lag? Going down to Pamplona via Zubiri can also be stressful on the legs. Even if you are as fit as you project to be, I would suggest, that you give yourself the overnight in SJPdP, and then head out early the next day to Roncevalles. Most marathoners don’t fly overseas and then begin the race a day later. Don’t let your adrenaline get the best of your decision making process!
There is a very significant difference between hill walking on uneven surfaces, than with a backpack on a treadmill, if your using a full pack! Your rhythm will be different and may be more prone to blisters.
What is the downside to waiting till the next morning? If all goes well, you can likely make up the time…and if time is so tight, stretch your days on the Maseta sections.
Lastly, you are walking the Camino de Santiago, with other pilgrims. Many people bond at the beginning, it is a pilgrimage. The walk up via the Napoleon is quite lovely. Stay at an albergue and celebrate with other pilgrims. . It would a loss, IMO, not to take time, to pause and be still while jouneying and “tasting” the beauty, - appreciating the sacred path, and stopping along the way for a drink or snack with others as you are walking.
Wishing you a Buen Camino!
Hi C clearly,Are you walking alone or with someone else? Your biggest risks are the variability of weather, and being alone if you injure yourself on the route in bad weather.
I hope that this thread isn't suggesting that your plan will require heroic resolve and endurance, and a dramatic baptism on Day 1.
I first walked from SJPP to Roncesvalles in one day without difficulty as a jet-lagged moderately fit 66-year-old. If you have good weather and if you don't injure yourself, you will do fine. Even in bad weather and with mild injury, you will probably survive to stumble into Roncesvalles after dark. You will happily tell us how you persevered against our conservative advice.
As has been pointed out, it is not a wilderness hike. Many thousands of people have done it, only a few dozen or hundred (?) rescues have been required, and only a very few have died.
Hi Tortilla,I also think 4 hours is impossible.
But in 2021 when I started to walk from SJPP at 11am, I arrived to Roncesvalles after 9pm and still got a warm welcome from Dutch hospitaleros. Ok, it was summer, so I didn't have to use a headlight. But if needed, I would.
Today sunrise at SJPP was at 7:42 am, and probably almost everyone started to walk well before sunrise (that's not surprising, right?), what is wrong with arriving after sunset then?
Below: the photo I took at Lepoeder (altitude 1400+ m, the peak point of the stage) at 8:04pm and at Ibañeta (1,5 km from Roncesvalles) at 8:53 pm.
Current forecast for actual and felt temperature between 3 pm and 6 pm are:
For Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port: 16 ºC and 15 ºC
And just because I like the detailed forecast on MeteoblueFor the Collado de Bentarte: 7 ºC and 3 ºC.
Weather conditions are at the top of the list of risks.@JonnyRosa, in another thread a new pilgrim asked about the current weather conditions and trail conditions as she was concerned about the unusually heavy rainfalls that the area experienced last week. Including impressive mud slides, btw. You replied "It will be easy" and linked to https://caminoweather.com/frances/?...metric&startDate=2024-09-11&lengthType=stages
Maybe I am not looking carefully enough but that website appears to forecast the weather on the basis of the historical weather data of the past 15 years. It makes me wonder whether you registered the fact that the weather in Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port is not the weather at the Collado de Bentarte and at the Collado Lepoeder and whether you registered that in particular temperature and felt temperature as well as wind speed and wind gust speed are not the same at 200 m sea level and at 1400 m sea level on an exposed trail.
Just to illustrate: I had a look on Meteoblue.com at the more detailed forecast for tomorrow Thursday 12th September. The predictability for the forecast at this point in time is medium. Current forecast for actual and felt temperature between 3 pm and 6 pm are:
For Saint-Jean-Pied-de-Port: 16 ºC and 15 ºCFor the Collado de Bentarte: 7 ºC and 3 ºC.
I am sure that you read earlier in the thread, unless you knew it anyway, about the usual difference of temperature between the location in a Pyrenees valley at 200 m sea level and the location on a Pyrenees trail at 1400 m sea level and will be prepared and equipped appropriately.
In case the point got lost because the post was too long, here is the TL;DR:I know this site that provides the average of the last 15 years (https://caminoweather.com). But weather conditions are only more reliable when we are closer to the day.
For current information and forecasts either Meteoblue or AEMET. For historic trends when planning ahead I find Weatherspark is very useful.Forum members: Where do you look for weather information?
Does anyone have experience with artificial lighting in wooded areas?
I once forgot about the time and the sun set in the middle of a forest where I often ran, and it was terrible (without artificial light). That's why when I made my plan I didn't even think about getting there close to sunset.
I'm not sure that anyone is predicting catastrophes, but just pointing out that your plan could set you up to have problems instead of setting you up for success.truly believe that everyone wants the best, and that even those who predict catastrophes, deep down hope that everything will turn out well.
You have plenty of time without making a rushed start!My plan is to walk for 34 days from SJPP to Muxía.
Tortilla, I'm not trolling, I even thought your idea was funny.Sometimes I think you are just trolling
But if you were trolling, it would be better to start by saying that you were planning to walk there in November, when the trail is closed. The fury of some forum members would be incredible
Yes, you need a headlight. Or at least a flashlight. With fully charged batteries.
Do you know you need to take water? You will find water in only two places: at Orisson by the terrace and at the Fountain of Roland. Nowhere else. Don't count on Food Truck that you can see on Google. It won't be there so late in the day.
From my perspective walking early in the morning for an hour or two vs. at night, is different! When walking the Napoleon early in the morning in the dark, one knows there will be lots of people coming after them, and a good chance of getting assistance. One starts fromSJPdP along the road, and can actually stay on it all the way to the top., In addition, if one gets lost, it will soon be light and easier to find their way. At night, you may not see anyone else till the morning and if bad weather, such as snow in Oct, or one is fogged in and can’t see two feet ahead of them it could be very problematic. It is an unnecessary risk to do the Napoleon route at night, especially, alone, when one is unfamiliar with the terrain and markers."What is wrong with arriving after sunset" - that is such a good question to think about.
Although, nobody in the thread said anything about arriving at the Roncesvalles albergue around 8 pm being an issue because the albergue allows arrivals until 10 pm. Or did I miss such a comment?
I guess that walking away from sunrise and into the day, hopefully after a good night's rest, is not any different from walking into the sunset after having already walked a few dozen kilometers - at 6km/h I hasten to add. It is odd, somehow, that pilgrims on the Route Napoleon need bailing out of their troubles by the Burguete First Responders - I am not going to call it 'rescue' for fear of picking the wrong word - when it is afternoon, evening or nighttime and not early morning. Really odd ....
Are we going to keep this thread alive until the 2nd of October?
BTW, I am not implying that there will be any trouble for the OP. Such things always happen to others.
Sometimes I think you are just trolling
You didnt specify WHICH Camino.... Sarria to SdG - OK!I did meet a man once who ran the whole camino in 17 days - so anything is possible.
... As for the people who need rescue, I would like to remind you that this is what rescue teams are for, so if someone needs rescue, don't think twice, ask for rescue. This is not as embarrassing as the texts may sometimes make it seem. ...
Nobody reacted to this question so far. I find it a bit of an unusual list. I am just curious to know where your research found it?As for the water sources along the way, I found 3 in my research:
Behicaro Spring at 6 km
Haya Spring at 6.7 km
Roldán Spring at 16.7 km
Is this list correct? Do these springs have permanent water, or is there a risk that they will dry up?
Don't know the other two, and you likely won't need them, but this one is amazing !!Roldán Spring at 16.7 km
The Roldán (or Fountain of Roland) is the last valid source of water (IMHO drinkable) before Roncesvalles.Nobody reacted to this question so far. I find it a bit of an unusual list. I am just curious to know where your research found it?
Same here.The Roldán (or Fountain of Roland) is the last valid source of water (IMHO drinkable) before Roncesvalles. The others I had no memory of.
That is totally fine - we all have our own best pace.I'll be walking alone, my pace is fast and walking slowly is boring to me
This.Again, personally i'd rather make my long days after i have a couple of days on trail behind me and know how everything is working out.
Odd, these long threads, aren't they. One does not want to read a single word anymore about the thread's topic and yet one cannot help opening the thread again and again to see what has been posted since the last time one had a look ...Lets just close this thread. It seems to me as we covered everything and that there are no benefits to contiunue keeping the thread open.
I think the OP is refering to the water through at the top of the zigzag climb from Hunto and the water tap at the Orisson, judging by the short distance between them. although, shouldn't kms be more in the 8km bracket? the names are curious, though, I don't think I've ever seen them before.Nobody reacted to this question so far. I find it a bit of an unusual list. I am just curious to know where your research found it?
I agree with you. You are completely correct Pilgrim9, we must take precautions and minimize risks as much as possible.Of course if after careful thought someone determines that they genuinely need to be rescued, they should ask to be rescued. However, rescues are usually not a trivial matter.
When a rescue team is asked to perform a rescue, the process usually interrupts the team members' normal daily activities. At the least it is inconvenient for them, and in the case of volunteer rescue teams, causes the team members' to cease their normal paid employment for the duration of the rescue; i.e. it costs them money. It can also divert scarce resources from other competing rescues that might need to be performed, thus putting some other to-be-rescued person at risk.
During the rescue process, the team must expend considerable time, money, and wear-and-tear of their equipment, and in some cases put their own lives at risk.
My point is that everyone everywhere has a moral responsibility to plan and act in a way that will minimize the probability of needing to be rescued. This includes avoiding plans that *unnecessarily* expose the person to higher-than-normal risks.
Here is a question that I suggest you ask yourself: "After considering the factors identified by others above and by yourself, does my plan unnecessarily expose me to higher-than-normal risks without creating any significant advantage, and might it set the stage for requiring a costly and possibly dangerous rescue that could have been avoided by better planning?"
Hi Kathar1na,Nobody reacted to this question so far. I find it a bit of an unusual list. I am just curious to know where your research found it?
Leaving SJPP in the afternoon heading to Roncenvalles ... hmmm, I'd be very curious if you make it by dinner time, heck I'd be surprised if you make it by midnight. Buen CaminoIn early October, I plan to do the route from Sant Jean Pied de Port to Roncesvalles, leaving SJPP in the afternoon, around 2:30 p.m. I walk frequently and quickly, averaging 6 km/h. I would like to know if any of my colleagues have already done this route in the afternoon and what challenges I might be forgetting.
To quote myself about 50 posts ago, I now definitely agree with @Tincatinker!I think with the 137 posts and a huge majority thinking the OP should reconsider his plan, this thread has gone into "beating a dead horse" quite a while ago.
I agree with Tincatinker but we want to know if he makes itI'm with @lettinggo and would probably also vote for closure of this thread. Every possible advise has been offered; experiences have been shared; what JR does is what JR does.
I'd just like to be in StJdP in early October. The vision of an AI Bott sprinting the Napoleon with nothing but a powerbank in its 3kg (3kg?) backpack. Wow!
I would not enjoy watching anyone who really wanted to walk a Camino Frances, perhaps even make a pilgrimage to the shrine of Santiago break-down in their first week. I hope, and look forward to the OP reporting his happy progress, but I think this thread is done.
Lol so true I was just going to reply to the @Tincatinker post that I did aReminder: You are not obligated to read this or any other thread.
True Dani7, it's like a long and intriguing movie, where we want to know how it will end. I hope that at the end of this movie I'm not the villain of the story, and like everyone else, I'm rooting for a happy ending.Lol so true I was just going to reply to the @Tincatinker post that I did ato and then it dawned on me “well just don’t keep opening the thread” …but it’s like a good bag of chips/crisps…I can’t seem to stop dipping into the bag
You can only be a villain to yourself if you ignore what both your heart and head tell you in the moment that make a difference. It only takes a moment to change everything. I believe you will have an awesome and incredible camino.True Dani7, it's like a long and intriguing movie, where we want to know how it will end. I hope that at the end of this movie I'm not the villain of the story, and like everyone else, I'm rooting for a happy ending.
Reminder: You are not obligated to read this or any other thread.
And was this a friend who had run the London Marathon earlier herself or himself? IOW, reasoned advice or just "thinking"?A friend told me I couldn't do it,
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