KevinWilcox
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I think, from memory, the Aragones was the best…ie most ‘trail’ walking?
The Aragon is mostly trail.
The Buen Camino app shows how many kms if each stage are on paved roads
Trecile, is the Norte stage you created just the official way, or is it including the oft discussed coastal variants?The Buen Camino app shows how many kms if each stage are on paved roads and how many are on trails. You can see this on each stage like this:
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I also created a "stage" that covers the entire Camino Francés. It shows 292.53 km that is paved and 482.16 km that's trails
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I did the same thing for the Norte
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And here's the Aragonés
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Out of complete curiosity, how did you do the entire route bit? I'd like to see this for the main Primitivo ( no Verde), and I used Buen Camino thenThe Buen Camino app shows how many kms if each stage are on paved roads and how many are on trails. You can see this on each stage like this:
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I also created a "stage" that covers the entire Camino Francés. It shows 292.53 km that is paved and 482.16 km that's trails
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I did the same thing for the Norte
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And here's the Aragonés
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Trecile, is the Norte stage you created just the official way, or is it including the oft discussed coastal variants?
I have to say either way: whilst I knew the Norte theoretically included a significant amount of road walking I hadn't realized how high the percentage actually is.
Honestly @Robo i know everyone’s mileage may vary etc etc, but the way some talk about the Portugues cobbles, you’d think they’re the cobblestones of the Paris-Roubaix bike race i.e. monstrous…Always a bit hard to tell in planning.
I have only walked 4 routes so far.
Frances x 3, and x 1 VdlP, Invierno and Fisterra/Muxia.
The least road walking and nicest surfaces was the VdlP.
I loved that aspect of it.
Looking for more of the same.......
PS, I will create a ruckas by saying I have no interest in the Portuguese because of the cobblestones
Where is this feature found on the app? I have an IPhone. I have been poking around trying to find this but can't. It is useful information I think. Thanks and hope you can solve my lame technology issue.The Buen Camino app shows how many kms if each stage are on paved roads and how many are on trails. You can see this on each stage like this:
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I also created a "stage" that covers the entire Camino Francés. It shows 292.53 km that is paved and 482.16 km that's trails
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I did the same thing for the Norte
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And here's the Aragonés
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Buen Camino app lets you plan daily stages and gives that breakdown. If you set your stage from the first city until the last, it provides the same breakdown for the entire route.Where is this feature found on the app? I have an IPhone. I have been poking around trying to find this but can't. It is useful information I think. Thanks and hope you can solve my lame technology issue.
It’s higher than that looks, actually, since the “trail” surface they reference is an often gravel or stone! Sure it’s not a “roadway” of asphalt or concrete, but it still is hard on the feetI have to say either way: whilst I knew the Norte theoretically included a significant amount of road walking I hadn't realized how high the percentage actually is.
I think you are making a mistake here. Yes the infrastructure is not as good from Lisbon until you get closer to Porto. There is some cobblestone but it is not as much as you are lead to believe. There is road and asphalt walking. That is the negative.Always a bit hard to tell in planning.
I have only walked 4 routes so far.
Frances x 3, and x 1 VdlP, Invierno and Fisterra/Muxia.
The least road walking and nicest surfaces was the VdlP.
I loved that aspect of it.
Looking for more of the same.......
PS, I will create a ruckas by saying I have no interest in the Portuguese because of the cobblestones
I went to plan your daily stages before I wrote. I did not see it there. Do you have to plan out your entire route first? Do you have an IPhone? I am so lame when it comes to tech. Sorry but it is what it is. Thanks for helping.Buen Camino app lets you plan daily stages and gives that breakdown. If you set your stage from the first city until the last, it provides the same breakdown for the entire route.
Same for the Frances etc though surely…? Lots of gravel surfaces on the FrancesIt’s higher than that looks, actually, since the “trail” surface they reference is an often gravel or stone! Sure it’s not a “roadway” of asphalt or concrete, but it still is hard on the feet
It's the official way. This is a useful thread for non road unofficial variants:Trecile, is the Norte stage you created just the official way, or is it including the oft discussed coastal variants?
Out of complete curiosity, how did you do the entire route bit? I'd like to see this for the main Primitivo ( no Verde), and I used Buen Camino then
I have an Android phone, but you should have the same features on an iPhone. This video tutorial may be helpful.Where is this feature found on the app? I have an IPhone. I have been poking around trying to find this but can't. It is useful information I think. Thanks and hope you can solve my lame technology issue.
@Vacajoe is correct. In the stage planner there's an option to create your own stages. Choose the first town and the last.Buen Camino app lets you plan daily stages and gives that breakdown. If you set your stage from the first city until the last, it provides the same breakdown for the entire route.
I agree!While I enjoy the more "hiking" parts of the caminos I've done, I'm not really here for a wilderness hike experience.
Whilst I agree to a point re: busy vs quiet roads - the country roads along the Camino Inglès are a good example - it's the tarmac under my feet that I don't like, the never-ending hard, even surface, regardless as to whether that is concrete, tarmac or even the horrible, glaring limestone paths that are appearing throughout Galacia. Next to pure dirt, variation is what I like: a moderate amount of cobblestones or a good gravel or dirt road are preferable, a simple marked path with Fields on either side or woodland is better still.What a complex question. First of all, there is road walking and there is road walking, if you know what I mean. There is a big difference between walking beside a highway with lots of traffic and walking on a quiet cou try road where I didn't see a single car the entire time. I've done both on Caminos and haven't found a quantitative guide that distinguishes the two well. And anyone who has walked the cobblestone (or sett) roads on the Camino Portugues will attest that they are also very different, in a different way.
I've heard it said that the Camino de Madrid has the least "road walking". While I have walked that route, I haven't walked enough of the others to say. For me, that isn't the first thing I think about when deciding which Camino to walk. I'm more interested in the amount of pilgrim infrastructure (especially if I'm walking with someone for whom it is their first Camino), the type of terrain and scenery, what part of Spain I will be seeing, etc. While I enjoy the more "hiking" parts of the caminos I've done, I'm not really here for a wilderness hike experience.
I know that there is an ongoing effort to move the marked trails away from the busy roads while keeping them headed in the right direction. I'm ready to trust that they are doing the best they can in that regard.
Exactly. Personally, I don’t mind tarmac, it’s traffic that I dislike. Not just the danger, but the noise, and the tedium of breaking stride to get out of the way and all that.there is road walking and there is road walking, if you know what I mean.
It's the official way. This is a useful thread for non road unofficial variants:
I have an Android phone, but you should have the same features on an iPhone. This video tutorial may be helpful.
@Vacajoe is correct. In the stage planner there's an option to create your own stages. Choose the first town and the last.
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If you are into spending time doing prep then the best way is to actually LOOK at the trails in Google Maps via Street View panos - there are 200 billion of them - you will find a great number of trail "types"Dumb as it might seem, it's only recently sunk in that a good deal of some camino routes might be on vehicular roads rather than walking trails. I don't really mean the town and village-y bit, that's fairly self-evident, more the stretches in between. I think my understanding may have been incorrectly influenced by the various youtube videos I watched when I first started my prep a few weeks ago, all of which seemed to be on dirt track and trails.
Am I right? And if so, what routes have the least / quietest / most pleasant road walking?
That’s what got me asking the question - I was using the little man on google maps to look at bits of the Norte and it seemed to be mostly road walking!actually LOOK at the trails in Google Maps via Street View panos
Honestly @Robo i know everyone’s mileage may vary etc etc, but the way some talk about the Portugues cobbles, you’d think they’re the cobblestones of the Paris-Roubaix bike race i.e. monstrous…
My mileage was that they had no different impact than walking on any hard surface
Yea I remember watching a video when I first downloaded the app but that was a number of years ago. I will check it out.It's the official way. This is a useful thread for non road unofficial variants:
I have an Android phone, but you should have the same features on an iPhone. This video tutorial may be helpful.
@Vacajoe is correct. In the stage planner there's an option to create your own stages. Choose the first town and the last.
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I can't walk on hard surfaces easily. And cobbles kill my feet.
I have a range of foot issues.
My hobby is to enhance these Street View panos into "virtual tours" along with flyovers, sat nav, elevations etc but it is a big job and I tend to get bored and head off to another trail (or country) and come back later. At present I am doing last 6 days of Frances (from O Cebreiro) and it was Nov 2023 when I last worked on Norte, but I think it is correct to say Frances has a lot more "trails" than Norte.That’s what got me asking the question - I was using the little man on google maps to look at bits of the Norte and it seemed to be mostly road walking!
Maybe you can determine the percentage of "off-road" by the percentage that can't be reached by the Google Car.My hobby is to enhance these Street View panos into "virtual tours" along with flyovers, sat nav, elevations etc but it is a big job and I tend to get bored and head off to another trail (or country) and come back later. At present I am doing last 6 days of Frances (from O Cebreiro) and it was Nov 2023 when I last worked on Norte, but I think it is correct to say Frances has a lot more "trails" than Norte.
Problem with Street View on trails is the Google Car can't go there and Google Trekker (the 26 kg backpack camera) has not been used in Spain (on the Camino) and there are very few pilgrims that take DIY Trekker (a great pity IMHO).
But usually a track will cross a road at some point and you will be able to see both sides of the track in Street View to get a good idea of surface etc
We have this same problem in Scotland. The NC500 is on roads but at least I have stopped them from referring to it as the North Highland Way. The North Highland Way is a walking, cycling and horse riding route with no public funding, while the NC500 received hundreds of thousands of public money. However, I do note that my article on OS has been doctored by someone (not OS I don't think) to use the words NC500, and it was not even created when I first wrote it. Most odd!Dumb as it might seem, it's only recently sunk in that a good deal of some camino routes might be on vehicular roads rather than walking trails. I don't really mean the town and village-y bit, that's fairly self-evident, more the stretches in between. I think my understanding may have been incorrectly influenced by the various youtube videos I watched when I first started my prep a few weeks ago, all of which seemed to be on dirt track and trails.
Am I right? And if so, what routes have the least / quietest / most pleasant road walking?
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