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Recommendations & considerations when selecting a tour operator specialising in self-guided walks

Pilgrim in training

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Hello fellow Pilgrims -I have been reading posts on this forum for the last 9 months and have learnt a lot, thank you for sharing your insights and ideas I have found it extremely useful. I have 19 months to go until I walk the Camino (French Way) in May 2015 and I think about it every day especially when I am out walking. I have set up a special savings plan and am very close to selecting a specialist travel company to assist me. I had hoped to walk with two friends but will most likely be heading off by myself. (Although I know you are never alone on the Camino). I have narrowed them down to four possibilities and seriously they all look fantastic. Does anyone have any tips on what I should look for to help me make that final selection? My Camino starts in Canberra in the Australian Capital Territory.
 
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Hi ,Pilgrim in training

Forget the tour operators. Enjoy the walk.:)

Buen Camino!
 
The above is such an honest and helpful response. Nice job Lise T.

I would be the first to admit how much I would not ever choose a tour/travel company, especially for the Camino. However, Lise T does a great job of giving her experiences with or without.

When I first started traveling, I would write to any company I could to get their information sent to me. In combination with my own research, I would piece them all together and come up with a plan on my own. Now with internet and wonderful people like those on this forum, it's even easier.

Maybe as time comes closer (this time next year?), you might find a company wouldn't be necessary. On the other hand, you might find a company perfect for you which will enable you to enjoy every step the way you desire. Either way, you're on the Camino! If I come across anything I think you might like, I'll remember to forward your way.

The anticipation must be maddening.

Just like you, I also think of the Camino everyday. This brings such happiness.

Simeon
 
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You might consider attending one of the Canberra Friends of the Camino meetings at the Spanish Club if you are in Canberra. The next meeting is planned for 19 Oct 13. Go to the website and become a member to be put on the mailing list.
 
First question to you is with what you want to be assisted with.
As you probably know most people start the camino without any paid assistance.
Is it for finding albergues, for assistance with walking, for knowing how to order food?
Knowing that will make it easier to help you.
 
There are a lot of commercial tour operators where I live. Its kinda strange when I end up sharing a campsite with a tour group (hiking or kayaking). I'm not really welcome because how does the tour operator justify asking clients for thousands of dollars to be there when I didn't pay anything at all to do the same thing.

And I wonder that people would hire a tour company to guide their camino.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
Thank you everyone for you considerate replies:

Doug - reading the forum I have already noted down the Canberra Friends of the Camino group (coincidently just yesterday) and will be making contact at some stage. Thank you so much for pointing it out (very good of you) I enjoy reading your posts.

Lise T - it's amazing with all my google-research I didn't come across Frescos Tours (they look good too). Amazingly I have factored in all considerations you have noted down (except for talking directly to one of their clients). I have experience with procurement and used a very scientific approach. Providers were assessed on; experience, cost, itinerary, testimonials, website, responsiveness to questions and ability to tailor. You are so right, the planning is taking up lots of my time and I am really enjoying it. The journey starts from the moment you decide it's going to happen. I am amazed at how many wonderful pilgrims are amongst my community and how my adventure brings great excitement to others!

Thomas 1962, Whariwharangi and MendiWalker -I acknowledge and respect your questions. I did seriously consider looking at the itineraries on offer and book my own journey, however I am not walking in a group, it will be self guided and the operator is sourcing and guaranteeing my accommodation and porting my bag. I want to document my journey (mostly photography) and enjoy the walk and know that paying someone to do that ground work, port my bag and 24hour back up will assist me greatly. The support systems in place not only provide me with reassurance, but my family. I will guide my own way, meet my own friends and order my own dinner and will love every bit of those aspects. But don't despair I am already seriously considering my next trip! When I retire (or go into pre-retirement mode), I will have more time and plan less. My son suggested he walk with me on the next Camino, and we can decide at the end of the day where we want to rest and for how long we want to stay and explore. I love the fact that he has an adventurous spirit (in November he will be travelling at SE Asia, trekking, sight seeing and volunteering in an orphanage for 4weeks) at 16 I am so pleased he wants to join me on the Camino in a few (3-4) years time.

Simeon - if you have any great ideas to share I welcome those - thank you. It's just great having the internet to communicate and share ideas. The anticipation is growing and I can't wait. As you can read I am already thinking about the next one! I really enjoy to see lots of experienced bloggers on this forum sharing insights and stories and ideas. I have been exploring my local mountain tops with my trusty walking companion (Jack Russell terrier) and occasionally my son and even the preparation is exciting. I couldn't possibly walk 800+kms across south-west Spain without exploring my local region some more. This continues to be lots of fun!

Thank you people - your responses are appreciated :)
 
Attention - personal opinion alert ;-)

I really have difficulties to understand the need to use a tour operator to walk the Camino - unless you are disabled / handicapped and / or need a lot of assistance for other reasons.
You wrote "I did seriously consider looking at the itineraries on offer and book my own journey" but can you really book your Camino? If you stay, for example, in already pre-booked accomodation, you will miss out a lot of spontaneity. What, for example, if your new camino friends, want to stay in one village, but you need to walk on because you are booked into the albergue/hostal/hotel in the next village? I personally think that by pre-booking everything you might miss out a lot of Camino experience others have that "just" walk every day as far as they like and let the Camino provide for the rest.
The way is easy to find, well marked with yellow arrows ect and if you restrict yourself to not to carry everything "you might need" in your backpack, you can walk in May with a 4-6kg backpack, or even less. The money you save by not paying a tour operator, you can invest in high quality light weight gear and could end up, with a bit of self-restriction with a 3-4kg backpack (without food and water) which is easy to carry.
Anyway, just as I said, only my personal opinion. Whatever you decide

Buen Camino! SY
 
pilgrim in training,

hello and welcome to the forum.

you do not need a tour company. there are many, many experienced and veteran camino walkers on this forum who can assist you in every step of the way. there are also every topic covered in this forum for any contingency.

you have started your camino already. we are all here to help you and to answer any question you may have had.

good luck on your planning. buen camino and god bless.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
@SYates and @piogaw - The Canberra Friends has helped a number of pilgrims prepare for their camino. The group's founders all walked without using a tour operator, as did those who have returned over the past 12 months. They will be able to explain how it can be done without such assistance. But if @Pilgrim in training wants to use a tour operator, that is very much her choice. I think I can safely say she will be given their support whatever she decides.
 
@SYates and @piogaw - The Canberra Friends has helped a number of pilgrims prepare for their camino. The group's founders all walked without using a tour operator, as did those who have returned over the past 12 months. They will be able to explain how it can be done without such assistance. But if @Pilgrim in training wants to use a tour operator, that is very much her choice. I think I can safely say she will be given their support whatever she decides.

I am not doubting that the slightest, I just voiced my thoughts / opinion, SY
 
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The diversity of the forum is certainly evident by the mix of comments and opinions. Thank you to everyone for your contributions, opinions, ideas and support.

I thought I had listed the main reasons in my previous comments Kathy. Some of the reasons are listed below but the main one is because I want to, I can afford to and there is certainly a market for my requirements. I believe that if I put my trust in someone else to assist me, I will be able to use my preparation time and my time on The Camino to relax into and enjoy the adventure even more.

I know a lady in Canberra who walked the Camino three times the first time on her own (The French Way), the second time with her daughter (Via de la Plata or The Silver Way from Seville) and the most recent time with her son (The Northern Way). She said that it didn't matter whether you went fully guided, self guided with back up support or the more traditional way of staying in albergues it would be the most amazing trip of a lifetime. If she doesn't walk with her son in 2016, she will walk with me in 2015 and welcomes the opportunity to have a slightly different experience supported by a tour operator, self guided but with more private (and yes more expensive) booked accommodation.

The benefits of a tour company (and as acknowledged, it's my personal choice) are that a tour operator:
1. Offers 24 x 7 back up support (reassuring me and especially my family at home) of my safety - having said that nothing in life is guaranteed
2. Allows me to be involved with some (but not all) aspects of the planning. I am an organiser by nature and this is my holiday and my journey - part of that means I pass this on to someone else to do for me for a change :) Letting go and putting trust in someone else is very much a part of my journey.
3. I want to document my journey and bring along a tripod and camera and additional lenses - this means I would prefer to get my bags ported and carry my photography gear during the day. This may sound a bit weak to some but for me it gives me greater flexibility to pursue my love of photography if I don't have lug around everything else at the same time. I can soak up the vista - think about how best to capture it through my lense and not have to rely on others to put me in the frame.
4. At the end of an exhilarating day of walking and photographing, I will have no worries about finding a place to stay. I know what my walking goal is each morning and have no concerns about having to stand in lines or waiting patiently to see if there is a bed for me and if not walking on to another village.
5. I am not interested in walking in the dark. I do that here in the winter with my dog. I don't mind it so much around my suburb but wouldn't like it in Spain.
6. In the evenings I want to socialise or sometimes not socialise, I want to write my blog (or sort my photos) or speak to my family or simply have a really big, quiet, undisturbed sleep! This is not necessarily possible in shared hostel type-accommodation which is not everyone's idea of rest.

While it might not suit others, the choice a tour operator offers me has it's appeal. I disagree that having my accommodation arranged limits socialising and spontaneity. But I respect your perspective on the matter SYates. It may be a bit tricky but there are cabs, there are central meeting points we don't have to stay in the same location to remain connected. It sounds like you may be suggesting that those who choose to travel The Camino with the support of a tour operator are those who are "disabled / handicapped and / or need a lot of assistance for other reasons". I honestly hadn't considered that I may be judged on that when I posted my question. Whether I do or don't have a disability is irrelevant to the conversation.

I certainly don't judge others for their choices and perhaps I will try an alternative (more authentic) Camino experience when I walk with my son, we will cross that bridge when we get to it.

Buen Camino
 
Pilgrim in training:

I have never used a tour guide on the Camino.

You feel you need one. Based on your second statement, it appears you do not want to be encumbered with making sleeping accommodations, researching sites to not miss and being hands/pack free to facilitate Photography while walking.

I have always found it easier to work with someone closer to home. I believe Doug and Lisa's advice of working with fellow Pilgrims from Canberra friends would be a great starting point. I would suggest you connect with folks in that group and your list of must haves and go from there. If this group can not fulfill your requirements, you might want to try looking for a Spanish tourism site.

A good point in your favor is you have plenty of time. This is your Camino and you should do it however you choose.

Ultreya,
Joe
 
The hardest thing I have done on a camino was catch up with my backpack because I sent it ahead to walk a long day (just one time). I cannot imagine doing that every day. Never again!;)
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
I was on the Camino last Fall with a "Tour Group" for 3 weeks. We walked 380k. All they did was arrange accomodations and baggage transport if we wanted it. We walked on our own and at our own pace. Some were fast and some were slow..I was the slowest. Honestly, if it hadn't been for that group, I most likely would never have done the Camino. The only downside was, I had to walk a certain distance every day even when my body was screaming "stop"! On several days, I was so exhausted by the time I reached our hostel, I didn't have the energy to eat. But, that was the only downside. What it did do was give the me experience and the confidence to return on my own and do it my way. BTW..most days we walked 20k, but several days we walked 27k and on one I think it was 28k. For someone who was born when the "earth was still cooling", that is a long way. I made wonderful friends and it changed my life. Annie taught us a song that kinda became my mantra..

We are pilgrims who come from afar
We walk under a field of stars
some are fast and some are slow
We are going to Santiago

Ultreia..ultreia..ultreila

Please don't ask me the date or the day
For I really cannot say
There's only one thing that I know
I am going to Santiago!

All I can say is "Thank you, AnnieSantiago"!
 
The diversity of the forum is certainly evident by the mix of comments and opinions. Thank you to everyone for your contributions, opinions, ideas and support.

I thought I had listed the main reasons in my previous comments Kathy. Some of the reasons are listed below but the main one is because I want to, I can afford to and there is certainly a market for my requirements. I believe that if I put my trust in someone else to assist me, I will be able to use my preparation time and my time on The Camino to relax into and enjoy the adventure even more.

I know a lady in Canberra who walked the Camino three times the first time on her own (The French Way), the second time with her daughter (Via de la Plata or The Silver Way from Seville) and the most recent time with her son (The Northern Way). She said that it didn't matter whether you went fully guided, self guided with back up support or the more traditional way of staying in albergues it would be the most amazing trip of a lifetime. If she doesn't walk with her son in 2016, she will walk with me in 2015 and welcomes the opportunity to have a slightly different experience supported by a tour operator, self guided but with more private (and yes more expensive) booked accommodation.

The benefits of a tour company (and as acknowledged, it's my personal choice) are that a tour operator:
1. Offers 24 x 7 back up support (reassuring me and especially my family at home) of my safety - having said that nothing in life is guaranteed
2. Allows me to be involved with some (but not all) aspects of the planning. I am an organiser by nature and this is my holiday and my journey - part of that means I pass this on to someone else to do for me for a change :) Letting go and putting trust in someone else is very much a part of my journey
3. I want to document my journey and bring along a tripod and camera and additional lenses - this means I would prefer to get my bags ported and carry my photography gear during the day. This may sound a bit weak to some but for me it gives me greater flexibility to pursue my love of photography if I don't have lug around everything else at the same time. I can soak up the vista - think about how best to capture it through my lense and not have to rely on others to put me in the frame.
4. At the end of an exhilarating day of walking and photographing, I will have no worries about finding a place to stay. I know what my walking goal is each morning and have no concerns about having to stand in lines or waiting patiently to see if there is a bed for me and if not walking on to another village.
5. I am not interested in walking in the dark. I do that here in the winter with my dog. I don't mind it so much around my suburb but wouldn't like it in Spain.
6. In the evenings I want to socialise or sometimes not socialise, I want to write my blog (or sort my photos) or speak to my family or simply have a really big, quiet, undisturbed sleep! This is not necessarily possible in shared hostel type-accommodation which is not everyone's idea of rest.

While it might not suit others, the choice a tour operator offers me has it's appeal. I disagree that having my accommodation arranged limits socialising and spontaneity. But I respect your perspective on the matter SYates. It may be a bit tricky but there are cabs, there are central meeting points we don't have to stay in the same location to remain connected. It sounds like you may be suggesting that those who choose to travel The Camino with the support of a tour operator are those who are "disabled / handicapped and / or need a lot of assistance for other reasons". I honestly hadn't considered that I may be judged on that when I posted my question. Whether I do or don't have a disability is irrelevant to the conversation.

I certainly don't judge others for their choices and perhaps I will try an alternative (more authentic) Camino experience when I walk with my son, we will cross that bridge when we get to it.

Buen Camino


RE:#3....From one photography lover to another...anyone who might consider you weak for wanting to just carry your photography equipment has never carried photography equipment. You may very well be packing more weight that a lot of those carrying their packs. I choose to carry my backpack and take a small camera that I have full control over..shutter, aperature, WB, ISO, RAW, jpeg, etc. It takes beautiful photos. I'll do that mainly because my "big" camera is just too expensive to take with me. Whatever works!
 
Pilgrim in training, welcome to the Forum! I am doing my 1st Camino Frances May/June 2014. I got my air tickets from www.Airtrex.com (if that doesn't work just search Airtrex). They are very helpful. Also I am using a tour guide that just stays with you the 1st 5 days to get you acclimated. (see www.thecaminoexperience.com). The lady running it is Nancy and the program is called Just Get Me Started. I have not gone yet but she has been very responsive so far. Good luck and enjoy the pilgrimage you have already begun.
Stefania
 
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Hi Pilgrim in training whatever way you choose to take the first step is fine and your journey will be absolutely fantastic. It's also great that you have the funds to stay in more comfortable accommodation thus leaving space in the albergues for pilgrims on tighter budgets -so good for you and for them. But I'm really so curious you're obviously a super organiser and resource manager-just look at your posts on this forum alone-and you seem to love and get excited by planning......why not use the best tour operator in the world 'Pilgrim in Training' tours and have a blast whilst doing so:)
I have a friend a fellow pilgrim who I swear is the most scattered person I know (she couldn't organise a p5x44 u% in a brewery) and she arranged her own accommodation and transport options (often just asking her host for that night to arrange for her gear to be carried on to her next nights accommodation for her and they did it no bother!) She used John Brierley's book as a starting point as it covers all levels and types of accommodation and went online if place he suggested were booked out. Her spanish sort of peaked at "dos vinos tintos por favor" the rest was done with smiles and gestures.
Heck if you've time I may use your skills to organise my route through France as I've had it with sleeping on blooming straw bales (Jakobsweg through Germany and Switzerland..... not so great with hay fever);)
Have fun.
 
Other threads are suggesting that robbery targeting backpacks in albergues is on the rise. Keep in mind that forwarded baggage generally comes with no security. Backpacks gather at the originating albergue in a big, unattended pile with an envelope with payment. They are distributed to receiving locations where there also is no security.

When thieves figure out there is no security for forwarded backpacks, it is my guess that packs will become targets. If a thief can take money when a pilgrim is spending fifteen minutes at breakfast, he can certainly figure out how to rob a pack that sits all day without an attendant!
 
Other threads are suggesting that robbery targeting backpacks in albergues is on the rise. Keep in mind that forwarded baggage generally comes with no security. Backpacks gather at the originating albergue in a big, unattended pile with an envelope with payment. They are distributed to receiving locations where there also is no security.
I am sure some people will see this as a good reason to use a tour operator that brings your baggage forward to your booked accommodation and makes sure it isn't just left at an albergue where you are not even sure that you will get a bed.

I certainly don't judge others for their choices and perhaps I will try an alternative (more authentic) Camino experience when I walk with my son, we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
The alternatives are no more or less authentic. It appears that the majority of forum members have a preference for carrying their own packs, and have plenty of advice on that score. But this does not mean using pack taxi, catching a bus or anything else are any less authentic. For walking pilgrims, there is a simple test for receiving your compestalla at Santiago Cathedral - did you walk the last 100km? Do you have a credencial that shows us that?

Regards,
 
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Hi Pilgrim In Training,

Good on you for planning things your way - it is, after all, YOUR Camino. Sorry I cannot offer any suggestions for Tour Operators (as requested in your original post) as I have not experienced any. I just wanted to post here to offer my opinion to you.

You have had some good advice from others here (both for and against tour companies), which I'm sure you can look at objectively.

I have walked the Camino's Frances and Norte without any assistance and would not have done it any other way! However, your detailed explanation of why you want some "assistance" had me thinking "Yes, that sounds really good" .

If you train well, you shouldn't have any trouble with distances, I'm sure a tour company will be offering manageable distances. Plus as for having to leave your friends behind - you may find they either are going to the same destination or are willing to travel on to it anyway (I know I would have to keep my Camino "family" together). So even though I believe you could most certainly do it on your own, you have very valid reasons for doing it differently.

Either way, I wish you all the best best in planning and completing your Canimo.

Buen Camino
Sharni
 
Hello fellow Pilgrims -I have been reading posts on this forum for the last 9 months and have learnt a lot, thank you for sharing your insights and ideas I have found it extremely useful. I have 19 months to go until I walk the Camino (French Way) in May 2015 and I think about it every day especially when I am out walking. I have set up a special savings plan and am very close to selecting a specialist travel company to assist me. I had hoped to walk with two friends but will most likely be heading off by myself. (Although I know you are never alone on the Camino). I have narrowed them down to four possibilities and seriously they all look fantastic. Does anyone have any tips on what I should look for to help me make that final selection? My Camino starts in Canberra in the Australian Capital Territory.

Hi Pilgrim in Training - As many people have said on this forum the Camino is a very personal experience and main thing is to enjoy it. I have walked the full Camino in 2010 and tried to walk again in 2012 but due to an attack of arthritis had to come home to Sydney after only walking 5 days. On both these walks I and my family used a company called "SPANISH ADVENTURES" operated by a guy named Garry from Young in NSW . Both walks were different as outlined below.
2010 - I walked and stayed in hostels. I was very fortunate to have each of my adult children individually join me for a weeks walking. It was, as a father, an experience beyond anything you can imagine. On this walk Spanish Adventures organized the accommodation for my son his wife and 13 month grandson. They were very happy with everything Garry organised for them.
2012 - On this walk my wife planned to walk the last 100kl with me. Spanish Adventures arranged trains and accommodation for us. When I became ill Garry was in constant contact with me which was very assuring especially when you are a foreign country.
2014 - We are planning to again walk the Camino in 2014 and Spanish Adventures are looking after all our arrangements.
Overall we can only highly recommend Garry of Spanish Adventures. If you would like to give me a call on +61 409 661 119 I can discuss our experiences with Garry of Spanish Adventure.
 
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Thomas 1962, Whariwharangi and MendiWalker -I acknowledge and respect your questions. I did seriously consider looking at the itineraries on offer and book my own journey, however I am not walking in a group, it will be self guided and the operator is sourcing and guaranteeing my accommodation and porting my bag. I want to document my journey (mostly photography) and enjoy the walk and know that paying someone to do that ground work, port my bag and 24hour back up will assist me greatly. The support systems in place not only provide me with reassurance, but my family. I will guide my own way, meet my own friends and order my own dinner and will love every bit of those aspects. But don't despair I am already seriously considering my next trip! When I retire (or go into pre-retirement mode), I will have more time and plan less. My son suggested he walk with me on the next Camino, and we can decide at the end of the day where we want to rest and for how long we want to stay and explore. I love the fact that he has an adventurous spirit (in November he will be travelling at SE Asia, trekking, sight seeing and volunteering in an orphanage for 4weeks) at 16 I am so pleased he wants to join me on the Camino in a few (3-4) years time.

Obviously you have thought it through. My apologies for "passing judgement and scorn". I sincerely hope you enjoy your camino.

Regards,

Whariwharangi
 
Pilgrim in training,
You have a long time to decide what you should do and this forum will continue to give you advice ad nausea. I did my first Camino on a wing and a prayer just to see what it was about, I had to quit in Logrono due a commitments I had made earlier in Biarritz and did so with some major blisters. I never had a problem in any way the first time and the second time I went back and finished the walk to Santiago blister free thanks to advice I got along the way the first time and long before I discover this forum. I learned to just go with the flow of wonderful people I met and mind what the weather was doing on any particular day because that is what one quickly discovers after the first or second day. I finished the Camino Portugues this summer and loved every minute and can tell you spontaneity is the secret of doing the pilgrimage. I met a woman last winter from my US hometown and she had decided on doing a supported tour starting in O'Cebreira and she has since told me it was a total success. Back to my point, you have a lot of time to decide!
 
Earlier this year I walked with my husband from SJPP to Logrono with a travel company that charged a lot of money for transport of our bags and hotels. We didn't like that process at all as they charged a lot of money for accommodation's and bags as there many services will do that for 6 euro a day.
Just came back from walking Logrono to Monlinaseca - 420 km - was sporting a stress fracture so I used http://www.jacotrans.com/ since my pack was 12 kg which was too much for my left foot. They need to know where to drop your pack, if you want that kind of service as little as 6 euro a day and I strongly recommend them as they never missed my bag. I had problems to stay at the Albergue since I am a diabetic on insulin pump as it made beeps as some people complained so I switched to a hotel where I didn't have that type of restrictions. I researched my hotels and made reservations couple of days ahead and no problems but did all the walk on my own. My foot is healing nicely as the help of the transport company really helped me but the Camino is all mine since I enjoyed the walk without the stress of my foot or where I was staying so that helped to visit churches and other things along my way and took my time to get to my destination each day. You cant get lost as its really marked well.
I hope this helps, Buen Camino.
 
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It really isn't difficult to arrange transport of your bag. Most albergues have envelopes for several different companies and will help you. It's something you can just do each day. Most charge 6 euros per day up to Sarria, then you can find people doing 3 euros per day. However, you might want to be sure to use a company that is well known and has a good reputation.

The difference in doing it with a group is that they often get a little better rate for booking the entire Camino. In our case, the same folks that carry our bags act as a taxi between a couple of the stages when we need them.

I've taken a few groups, and there are several people who went with me that now are planning or have done their own Camino, feeling that they "know the ropes."

I think a group is good for those who just aren't quite sure of themselves, who need the support.
It's also good if you want private accommodation and don't want the stress of booking it (and confirming it) yourself.

But I also know that most people get into the swing of things within the first or second day.
It really isn't difficult and there are many people on the road willing to help you.
I'd say do what feels best for you.
If you plan on paying for a group, it might be a good thing to pay for just a couple of weeks until you get into the swing of things; then set off on your own.

I was afraid my first Camino.
I was on this forum asking a kazillion questions.
But a day after I began, I realized it was as simple as putting one foot in front of the other...

Do what feels right for you.
That's my advice :)
 
We are meeting huge numbers of Australians who are doing their camino exactly as you have described......they are all having a fantastic time, meeting lots of people, and having a very authentic camino, I can assure you. The only mistake you have made is feeling you have to justify your trip or feeling that this method is less authentic. Don't allow others to make you feel that way.
While I can't say which are the best operators, I believe that Doug gave the best advice.....meet with others in your area and the web will widen instantly. I have no doubt that you will get excellent feedback. I can say that not one of the guided folks we have met were unhappy with their choice of operator, nor do they wish they were doing their camino differently. I don't think a day has gone by where we have not had really fine chats with different Australians, most of which were using a prebooked tour.

Your reasons you have given (twice in detail, since you were asked over and over) are very valid. Until you are on the camino, you won't know what aspects you would feel comfortable with, nor will you know the extent of the infrastructure of support here. The scare tactic of bags left unattended is not valid.....if it were you would hear extensive reporting of it.
Unfortunately, on any forum, folks can jump on simple questions or statements without just taking them at face value.
 
Thank you Doug, I have noted down the next meeting and will try and make it :)


I would go to the meeting my girl from the ACT and pick their brains . They will allow you too but i would keep all my opinions private in doing this...........why ask if we have already chosen the method of walking.
Listen to everything they say, especially the ones who have completed MANY camino's.
And later on ask them their thoughts on your method

We took the Brierley book in 07/08 and never again....we learnt the hard way.
We have never had a blister after that first year and we have never worried about accommodation .
We also have learnt that the little villages/ smaller albergues are great places to stay.......just like the Paradores.
Our 66 year old frames just love the slow/steady walk .
We plan the first few days [ 4 ] and then let the way take care of itself.
*****We have found the best parties are never planned

You can pick the stops or let your organiser but what happens if you get the rain which Spain got this **June/July???? I mention these months because you are still 9 months away from walking.
In 2008 we were drenched for the first week in early **May and the only way from St JPDP was via Valcarlos as the top was under rain or mist....not many photo opportunities.
What happens if you find great company on the walk and they are staying in different towns/villages/hamlets??
What happens if you discover you like a town,Burgos for example yet you have the following days booked ?
We always enjoy an extra day there because the walk into that place and Leon drives us mad.

Whatever you choose you will be ok........ but we learnt in 08 why you never plan ahead.

Walked into Santiago with a lovely American who financed some mines in WA.
After we talked over dinner and at different coffee stops over the final 40km's we came away thinking the US was in a big mess and therefore the rest of the world.
He explained about their banks and why he and his mates had sold up and moved their families in 07 to Sth America.
We had just sold our pubs on the Gold and Sunshine Coasts and the money from them was in so called Blue Blood Stocks
On our return we sold these Blue Blood's and put the $$ in term deposits.
One year later P.I training we purchased these back at 1/2 the cost and a few more as well.
** Thats one of the reasons why we walk the camino..... a little thank you to St Jimmy for allowing us to meet Andrew.

In relation to Falcons advice ....i would listen ....he has been around the traps mate.
 
...and ship it to Santiago for storage. You pick it up once in Santiago. Service offered by Casa Ivar (we use DHL for transportation).
I would go to the meeting my girl from the ACT and pick their brains . They will allow you too but i would keep all my opinions private in doing this...........why ask if we have already chosen the method of walking.
Listen to everything they say, especially the ones who have completed MANY camino's.
And later on ask them their thoughts on your method

We took the Brierley book in 07/08 and never again....we learnt the hard way.
We have never had a blister after that first year and we have never worried about accommodation .
We also have learnt that the little villages/ smaller albergues are great places to stay.......just like the Paradores.
Our 66 year old frames just love the slow/steady walk .
We plan the first few days [ 4 ] and then let the way take care of itself.
*****We have found the best parties are never planned

You can pick the stops or let your organiser but what happens if you get the rain which Spain got this **June/July???? I mention these months because you are still 9 months away from walking.
In 2008 we were drenched for the first week in early **May and the only way from St JPDP was via Valcarlos as the top was under rain or mist....not many photo opportunities.
What happens if you find great company on the walk and they are staying in different towns/villages/hamlets??
What happens if you discover you like a town,Burgos for example yet you have the following days booked ?
We always enjoy an extra day there because the walk into that place and Leon drives us mad.

Whatever you choose you will be ok........ but we learnt in 08 why you never plan ahead.

Walked into Santiago with a lovely American who financed some mines in WA.
After we talked over dinner and at different coffee stops over the final 40km's we came away thinking the US was in a big mess and therefore the rest of the world.
He explained about their banks and why he and his mates had sold up and moved their families in 07 to Sth America.
We had just sold our pubs on the Gold and Sunshine Coasts and the money from them was in so called Blue Blood Stocks
On our return we sold these Blue Blood's and put the $$ in term deposits.
One year later P.I training we purchased these back at 1/2 the cost and a few more as well.
** Thats one of the reasons why we walk the camino..... a little thank you to St Jimmy for allowing us to meet Andrew.

In relation to Falcons advice ....i would listen ....he has been around the traps mate.
 
Thank you everyone for your comments, they have been very insightful. My question to the forum was around how to make a final selection from the final tour companies I had researched. I have received some good advice and (as expected) have been provided with much more to consider. I am grateful for these varied responses.
 
Hi Pilgrim in Training,

As a women walking the camino myself alone I get your desire for a tour company. I am currently struggling myself with deciding to use one or not. Another American turned me on to www.thecaminoexperience.com which is run by an American women. They basically get you started on the first 4 days plus preparing and travel help. Like you I am very organized and am absorbing this forum like a sponge. But I find (as this thread) there are so many contradicting comments I am getting more confused. I was not planning on the extra cost but I know my family and friends would feel better knowing I started out safe and with a knowledgable person. Have not really made the decision either way yet but it is something to consider. I have traveled to Europe many times so I am not afraid to do it myself. I just am someone who thinks if the wheel has already been made why remake it. I think if I found someone on this forum who was going in May 2014 and had done the trek before and I could tag along with them for the first 4 days I would be fine with not using a tour. My other concern is I am terrible with languages. I have been trying to learn Spanish for a few months and I still don't feel comfortable. Having others who know the language and English would give me another comfort level. I know after the 4 days I would feel comfortable enough to do the rest on my own. I did not research tours because I was not thinking I was going to use one so sorry I can't help you with that. Like most people stated we will enjoy this experience no matter how we do it.

Susan
 
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Hi Susan,

The overwhelming majority of pilgrims (including many, many first timers!) are doing the Camino individually, without using any organized tour operator or similar. Regarding languages, English is the lingua franca amongst the pilgrims on the Camino and the locals are quite used to cope with pilgrims with limited, or no, Spanish. The way is neither difficult to find nor to walk, so, unless you have some specific needs (health issues for example) you really, really don't need to be concerned to tackle this adventure on your own. And you will be so more independent and really make it your own pilgrimage instead of tacking along with somebody else, or a group.
!Buen Camino! SY
 
Paladycamino, What helped me a lot as I got closer to my Camino September 2013, was communicating by email with two women I met here on the forum. One left three weeks before I did and the other the same time (although different starting points). Sharing with Camino female newbies (who were also traveling alone) was a source of comfort and shared excitement.
 
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Hi Pilgrim in Training

Whay a great time you will have on the camino! Congtaulations on having made the decision to go.

My recommendation for someone to help you on your walk would be Garry Budin www.spanishadventures.com Garry is an expat Aussie who lives in Santiago de Compostela and who makes his living as a tour guide and organiser for trips through Spain and Portugal. He has helped me with booking train tickets in Spain [ the Renfe website is notoriously difficult to use] and for some accommodation. I have been happy with what he has done and he has always been willing to work around what I have suggested.
I am actually having lunch with him in Orange tomorrow - he grew up in Young, and is in Australia for Christmas with his Mum, and to show off his baby son.

I hope to attend the next Canberra camino meeting on Dec 21st - maybe we could chat there if you can make it.

Alan

Be brave. Life is joyous.
 
Hi Pilgrim in Training and Paladycamino, I can totally appreciate wanting to either use support (just baggage and lodging) or walking in an organized group. I am also trying to make this decision. So far Fresco Tours, Marly Camino and Adiante Tours look good. I have also discussed doing self-guided with just accommodations and baggage handling (my first instinct) with a UK based operator, Frontier Holidays. I plan to walk from O'Cebreiro to Santiago, and then take a couple of days in Barcelona.

When I was in my mid twenties and stationed in Europe as an Army officer, I would have readily taken 30 days of leave, carried everything on my back and stayed in refugios. I regularly stayed in hostels back then and traveled by the seat of my pants. At the time, it was great, because it was just me and other singles. I have traveled independently in Europe since then as well, with my family, by myself, and in a small group of seven people.

Since then, my situation has changed. I am a healthy and fit 60-year old woman, who will have limited time in Spain. Even taking two weeks will be stretching it. I have a husband who is not at all interested in this type of activity (and will stay back in the US), but supports my desire to do this. He and my adult daughters are also very concerned for my safety and security, so the idea of being able to call someone if I twist an ankle on a mountain path appeals to us. When I leave for Spain in September, I will also be leaving behind my oldest and her husband, who are now expecting twin boys in May. In other words, I have to consider others. This is the main issue. It's not just me anymore!

While I don't have to stay in fancy hotels or paradores (B&Bs and casas rurales are preferred), I would like to finish my daily trek in a clean room with my own shower. I have no interest in wearing a flea mask and listening to possibly scores of other folks snoring. I also figure it this way--- I'm freeing up a bed that another pilgrim will need for the night. I will still get sore feet, walk in the rain, and share the other usual issues with other pilgrims. I also will be more able to concentrate on the spiritual and cultural aspects of The Way if I walk and rest comfortably while on it.
 
Hi Pilgrim in Training and Paladycamino, I can totally appreciate wanting to either use support (just baggage and lodging) or walking in an organized group. I am also trying to make this decision. So far Fresco Tours, Marly Camino and Adiante Tours look good. I have also discussed doing self-guided with just accommodations and baggage handling (my first instinct) with a UK based operator, Frontier Holidays. I plan to walk from O'Cebreiro to Santiago, and then take a couple of days in Barcelona.

When I was in my mid twenties and stationed in Europe as an Army officer, I would have readily taken 30 days of leave, carried everything on my back and stayed in refugios. I regularly stayed in hostels back then and traveled by the seat of my pants. At the time, it was great, because it was just me and other singles. I have traveled independently in Europe since then as well, with my family, by myself, and in a small group of seven people.

Since then, my situation has changed. I am a healthy and fit 60-year old woman, who will have limited time in Spain. Even taking two weeks will be stretching it. I have a husband who is not at all interested in this type of activity (and will stay back in the US), but supports my desire to do this. He and my adult daughters are also very concerned for my safety and security, so the idea of being able to call someone if I twist an ankle on a mountain path appeals to us. When I leave for Spain in September, I will also be leaving behind my oldest and her husband, who are now expecting twin boys in May. In other words, I have to consider others. This is the main issue. It's not just me anymore!

While I don't have to stay in fancy hotels or paradores (B&Bs and casas rurales are preferred), I would like to finish my daily trek in a clean room with my own shower. I have no interest in wearing a flea mask and listening to possibly scores of other folks snoring. I also figure it this way--- I'm freeing up a bed that another pilgrim will need for the night. I will still get sore feet, walk in the rain, and share the other usual issues with other pilgrims. I also will be more able to concentrate on the spiritual and cultural aspects of The Way if I walk and rest comfortably while on it.

Thank you for your comments Bagbabe53 I have just decided on a tour company and commenced locking in my arrangements. I looking forward to continuing my Camino learning. I received some very good advice from my forum request and also received advice on matters I did not request! The discussion opened up conversations with some fabulous local people too and I still have much to learn from their experience. Like you, the idea of having my own privacy at the end of the day and the 24hour support does appeal to me. I won't be staying in fancy places either but I hope to get un-interrupted sleep and have access to my own bathroom facilities. I am not suggesting I wouldn't be safe or comfortable (or happy) staying in albergues but I know with a few added extras my walking and my photography and my writing have a better chance of success if I am more comfortable! I start walking on 14 May 2015 and finish in Finisterre on 24 June. I have a couple of days where I am staying two days so I can explore Pamplona, Burgos, Leon, and Santiago. I will have around a week after that before I fly out from Barcelona. I can't wait - I think about it EVERY day and agree with Lise T (below) which ever way people choose, it going to be an amazing adventure. It's refreshing to know that before I even start walking in Spain I have met so many lovely pilgrims already.
 
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Hi Pilgrim in Training, I am also looking at tour companies for my pilgrim which will be September/October 2014. My reason for considering using a tour company is that I have already walked long distance tracks solo carrying everything including food for 8-10 days. My pack weighed around 16kg including water and food for the coming 10 days. The track was the Bibbulmun track in Western Australia and is close to 1000km. I have experienced roughing it, sleeping in open huts with other people of all types and wading through swamps with water up to the middle of my thighes. I have cycled (again solo) 2000km from Barcelona up over the Pyrenees and up through France along the canals camping and staying in dilapidated country hotels along the way. I enjoyed it and am so pleased I did both of these adventures, however, I am now ready for a bit of comfort and luxury that a tour company can provide. I am keen to find out which tour operator you have settled for.
 
Consider how much you are spending for the organising ....come up with a $$$
If you take your time , organise your own adventure/camino, walk the 15 -22 km at leisure , you will and can stay in pensions and hotels that are just as good or even better than any tour company.
Are they allowing you to stay in the Paradors?..........there are plenty to stay in along the way if you have the choice.
We always have used Parador's and have always used on the same journey private / municipal albergues and pensions with en-suites..
The most beautiful part of the camino is the unexpected enjoyment that occurs , the places you stay at because it feels right and the pride that YOU have achieved a great feat.
Are you going to be in the same company for a month??
My daughter said after we flew to the UK to see her.....Dad i love you ...but good friends are like fish.....TWO days and you are OFF.

200,000 odd people walk the camino each year , i believe no more than 200 would use a tour company for the complete 900km.....thats .01 of a percent.
We walked over 40 days with an ex Mayor of Paris [ thats the boss please believe me in France] who used a donkey .They averaged 4km/hour.
His wife was the sister of an ex President of France........they used MMDD and stayed in places we did not know existed...that was in 2008 and since then on all our other camino's only the MMDD has been used.
They never told anyone who they were until very late when it became obvious they were walking for CARE FRANCE [ Guy was the President] and their company was enjoyed/loved by everyone on the way.
My honest opinion is that the tour company is walking the camino ........it sounds hard but maybe when reaching Santiago or better still Muxia one might think........hell i could have done that easily.......by myself and for myself.
The ages of people you see around you , young and old , doing their own thing , will bring joy to "your "camino.....thats why guys ....i'm just not sure about using companies.
 
Such a shame, I had just compiled a very comprehensive response for you OZVIKING but I have experienced some IT problems (new post got in before me and my session expired and I needed to log in again)... whoops! It's late now I will re-write it again tomorrow and repost. Ciao
 
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200,000 odd people walk the camino each year , i believe no more than 200 would use a tour company for the complete 900km.....thats .01 of a percent..

If that were true then, coincidentally, I must have encountered most of those 200 in Sept/October 2013 along the approximate 800k Frances that were walking alongside me at some point, staying in the same accommodations, eating at the same restaurants, and having the same wonderful experience as I was.

I guarantee that far more than 200 use a tour company for this route per year. Maybe 200 at any given time?
I noticed that you put "the complete 900km" so, technically, you may be correct as I'm not sure where your 900k start and finish points are.

There is a lot of energy put into trying to convince folks not to use the tour operators. It has the side effect of making them feel like they will be viewed as "unusual", "unique", "weird", etc.

I know this is not necessarily the intent by those who insist on trying to change the minds of people who, in some cases, have already stated they have made the decision, for good reason. It may come across differently though. Especially when inaccurate stats are thrown out there as attempted reinforcement of an argument.
 
It has the side effect of making them feel like they will be viewed as "unusual", "unique", "weird", etc.
Over the last 1,000 years, there have been many ways of completing the pilgrimage. In the last three decades the route has been rediscovered and waymarked, leading to over 200,000 pilgrims getting compostelas last year. The tour operator is a new level of commercialism, and I think most of those who write against using one, do so because they have found that it is not necessary, or represents a crass commercialism that is invading the experience. It does not imply that someone's pilgrimage lacks legitimacy, but is more along the lines of encouraging the traditional way, which did not involve travel agents.;)
 
I was reading, but forget the source, that at the height of popularity in the 11th and 12th centuries, anywhere from 250,000 to 1 million pilgrims walked to Santiago.
If this were true, I bet there were an even greater number of variations in "style" of pilgrimage, a greater disparity between pilgrims, and a higher level of "crass commercialism" than we see now. Can you imagine 5x as many pilgrims doing the walk? The charlatans and vendors giving all sorts of "assistance" to pilgrims would be astounding compared to now. Our present view of a "traditional" pilgrimage seems to be romanticized into something that, frankly, I do not believe existed hundreds of years ago. It is only traditional compared to 30 or 50 years ago......a mere blink in the history of the camino.

We can now do our research on the net, talk to a worldwide group of like minded people in the forums, check out Trip Advisor, have the ability to plot the path with google earth and see the streets with Streetview, and phone ahead for reservations.

Imagine setting out with only the rumours of what you would encounter from someone in your village that knew a guy who knew a guy who did it? Wow! I truly believe the commercialism at that time would have blown away anything we see now. It makes no sense that it would have been a homogeneous group of pilgrims like there is now......really, the groups walking now are pretty similar to each other, in the grand scheme of things, if the biggest difference is that some of them hire someone else to arrange and book their voyage.

Of course, I have no evidence of such but it would seem silly to assume otherwise....to me. YMMV.

BTW, I agree that using a tour operator is not necessary. I know that now only after researching it and then doing the Frances on our own.
The level of possible support mechanisms for pilgrims was higher than I would have thought.
However, we have had people here who have basically stated that they *will* use a tour operator for their own personal needs and wishes. I have no problems respecting that as I found it a very, very common way for people to do their camino and not as unusual as some have implied. The fact that someone else is using a tour operator would never invade my experience. That is a transaction that is private to them and I found that none of them wore neon signs to advertise in a crassly commercial manner. :)
 
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If that were true then, coincidentally, I must have encountered most of those 200 in Sept/October 2013 along the approximate 800k Frances that were walking alongside me at some point, staying in the same accommodations, eating at the same restaurants, and having the same wonderful experience as I was.

I guarantee that far more than 200 use a tour company for this route per year. Maybe 200 at any given time?
I noticed that you put "the complete 900km" so, technically, you may be correct as I'm not sure where your 900k start and finish points are.

There is a lot of energy put into trying to convince folks not to use the tour operators. It has the side effect of making them feel like they will be viewed as "unusual", "unique", "weird", etc.

I know this is not necessarily the intent by those who insist on trying to change the minds of people who, in some cases, have already stated they have made the decision, for good reason. It may come across differently though. Especially when inaccurate stats are thrown out there as attempted reinforcement of an argument.

Hi Canucks,

The 900 km is to Muxia and Finisterre from STJPDP.
Unusual, Weird or Unigue.......not really Canucks....... they will always be viewed in my opinion as pilgrims , i just can't see how the t/companies can provide better accommodation than oneself.

As you proved on your camino.......they shared the same restr's. , accommodation etc , but old mate ...the Paradors or similar....only you can select.

Lets make it 2,000 and not 200 Canucks.......thats still under 1% and i guess the majority would commence from certain places we all know , namely O'Cebreiro and Sarria.
***I'm just not into sharing a month or more with the same group of people...not when the beautiful countryside and locals are there to be enjoyed.
On our first camino in 08 we encountered , dined with and shared accommodation with over 35 nationalities .....hard to do in a group .
* After a terrible and a times a very dangerous walk [ heavy rain] from Rabanal to Molinaseca we had the next day a beautiful ** 6 km walk to Ponferrada and booked into a wonderful hotel for 50 euro's the night.
Thats the part mate i find t/companies cannot do......

Hi Falcon ,

We found later in the walk of that year , 2008 , that MMDD and the "Horse Shoe" beside the home was the way to go.
I cannot tell a person about the experiences a camino will bring , as we are all different , so i find it very hard to understand how a tour company can fill an individuals needs.
Maybe its why the Brothers told me to leave school .
** And Falcon , to stir the possum , i have never listened to financial advisers for 2 reasons ;
1/ They only take 3 months to qualify , a plumber takes 4 years and
2/ If they don't have as much as you why listen to them.................
Maybe thats in the background with my thoughts on tour companies.
 
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Thornley,
I just noticed that you may have a basic misunderstanding on the tour operators......they aren't necessarily group tours.

All of the ones that I met were solo or couples doing their walk just like everyone else. They just happened to have their stuff booked ahead of time. Some stayed in the Paradors, some didn't....I suspect is was simply a choice in cost.
There were, of course, group tours that had buses waiting at every corner. I do not believe that the OP or others asking about the tour operators were intending to be going on those types of trips.
Just book the flights, accommodations, have the big bags carried so they can be in more than the 2 sets of clothes that we had to choose from, and walk along with everyone else. I truly believe they had an extremely similar experience as us. And most of them started in St Jean, like us. We chose not to go on past Santiago.
 
There is one difference, with all due respect, you give up the freedom of the way. You can't choose spontaneously where to stay and how long you walk if all of your accommodation is pre-booked ... SY
 
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Hi Pilgrim in Training, I am also looking at tour companies for my pilgrim which will be September/October 2014. My reason for considering using a tour company is that I have already walked long distance tracks solo carrying everything including food for 8-10 days. My pack weighed around 16kg including water and food for the coming 10 days. The track was the Bibbulmun track in Western Australia and is close to 1000km. I have experienced roughing it, sleeping in open huts with other people of all types and wading through swamps with water up to the middle of my thighes. I have cycled (again solo) 2000km from Barcelona up over the Pyrenees and up through France along the canals camping and staying in dilapidated country hotels along the way. I enjoyed it and am so pleased I did both of these adventures, however, I am now ready for a bit of comfort and luxury that a tour company can provide. I am keen to find out which tour operator you have settled for.

Back on the forum and fingers crossed I won’t be “bumped out” today! This post is in response to the question from OzViking about which tour provider I settled on for my Camino experience in May-June 2015.

Based on my own needs and budget and I came to the conclusion that the best option for me was to use a tour provider (and I figure you have already read through the conversation so I won’t go back over it). I originally found around 10 providers and eliminated some of those because they:

A) Were too expensive
B) Didn’t offer the full French Way
C) Appeared to cater for groups and not individuals or
D) Focused less on the walking and more on high-end accommodation and exquisite gourmet food (which sounded lovely but not for me)
E) Included lots of additional side trips

As mentioned, I wanted a supported (self-guided) tour and don’t necessarily need to travel with the same group all the way either. Not to say I won’t enjoy joining groups but I can also exercise flexibility.

I listened to and enjoyed some old Rick Steves podcasts I found in iTunes (he loves Spain) and I found a Spanish provider who sounded perfect. But because my trip was 18 months away he was reluctant to give me an estimate and was also too busy at the time. When it got closer, I reminded him, however he didn’t follow up (so unfortunately that provider missed out). Most of the providers had a strong connection to Spain and a sincere appreciation of walking (and while they are selling a product,) the ones with careful marketing that reached out and appealed to my own values were the ones that got into the next round so to speak.

I got the list down to four final contenders listed below:
1. Follow the Camino
2. Macs Adventures
3. Camino Ways
4. Frontier Holidays

Based on the criteria of what I deemed important, I then assessed each of the four providers on
1. Cost
2. Website
3. Responsiveness to follow up questions
4. Testimonials
5. Itinerary and
6. Free Wifi (not essential but as I will be writing a blog it was somewhat important to me)

To be honest I assigned a value against each of the criteria and scored each of them on a rating of 1-10. A bit like someone would conduct a tender evaluation. On many aspects the ratings were the same score for all four providers and there wasn’t much between first and last – 4 points in fact. The costs were assessed on an average daily rate over the full period and they were very similar and competitive. Yes, I probably could have done it myself but I want to enjoy my walking and not spend hours researching and booking travel before I leave or while I am in Spain. As I mentioned previously, I find it refreshing to hand over the organising to someone else because most of my life so far has been about organising others.

Interestingly, out of these four providers two where based in Dublin and the other two were based in Glasgow. (However many have offices around the globe). I have since discovered there are more providers in the US but my “search-engine” didn’t push me in that direction.

I settled on Follow the Camino – the very first website I stumbled across when the idea of walking the Camino first popped into my head back in December 2012. I considered my options for around 13 months and paid my deposit only a few weeks ago. “The proof of the pudding will be in the pot” as they say but this is what I came up with and I am happy with my decision and equally happy to share with other interested folk like yourself.

I continue to enjoy my preparation (which is now placing the organising in the capable hands of a third party) and to continue with my own local walking adventures. I will also be researching equipment and developing my photographic and writing / blogging skills so I can share my adventures with my support crew at home. In October I am going to walk The Six Foot Track, in the Blue Mountains (not nearly as long as your amazing Bibbulmun track but something I am looking forward to) In the meantime I continue to discover and rediscover many beautiful walks here in the Australian Capital Territory. I am dreaming also of my next Camino in 2018 (with my son) and we are talking about the Northern Way.

Life is such an adventure and I have learnt many things from the forum. It was perhaps naïve of me, but I didn’t anticipate there would be so many people questioning why I would want to choose a tour provider – and so few comments about how to choose a good one and ones to watch out for. I did however get some very comforting personal messages in my in-box and an invitation to join a local group who are really lovely. I will continue to learn a great deal from them. I work full time, have a very active young son in his final years of school. I will take up more part time study this year and enjoy my own very busy social and active life with my partner. The fact I have handed a small part of my Camino experience over to tour provider does not mean my Camino experience and the life-lessons will be any less authentic than someone who stays in an allbergue and has a more spontaneous less-planned and most definitely less expensive journey. I am still going to be walking around 900kms and I will still worship in the same beautiful places and get my passport stamped each day and receive my Compostela and attend mass where ever I can.

I hope this has been useful and good luck on your Camino pilgrim xx
 
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Lots of long(er) replies.
Mine is very short.
Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to do El Camino with a little bit of comfort.
But you can get that and more without a tour company by just a little bit of organisation.
So by all means use a tour company, but in my view you're not buying comfort, just someone to take the strain on organising.
Which is totally fine too.
There's no rule that El Camino should be unpleasant and arduous.
Your previous adventures sound awesome!
Buen Camino !
 
Back on the forum and fingers crossed I won’t be “bumped out” today! This post is in response to the question from OzViking about which tour provider I settled on for my Camino experience in May-June 2015.

Based on my own needs and budget and I came to the conclusion that the best option for me was to use a tour provider (and I figure you have already read through the conversation so I won’t go back over it). I originally found around 10 providers and eliminated some of those because they:

A) Were too expensive
B) Didn’t offer the full French Way
C) Appeared to cater for groups and not individuals or
D) Focused less on the walking and more on high-end accommodation and exquisite gourmet food (which sounded lovely but not for me)
E) Included lots of additional side trips

As mentioned, I wanted a supported (self-guided) tour and don’t necessarily need to travel with the same group all the way either. Not to say I won’t enjoy joining groups but I can also exercise flexibility.

I listened to and enjoyed some old Rick Steves podcasts I found in iTunes (he loves Spain) and I found a Spanish provider who sounded perfect. But because my trip was 18 months away he was reluctant to give me an estimate and was also too busy at the time. When it got closer, I reminded him, however he didn’t follow up (so unfortunately that provider missed out). Most of the providers had a strong connection to Spain and a sincere appreciation of walking (and while they are selling a product,) the ones with careful marketing that reached out and appealed to my own values were the ones that got into the next round so to speak.

I got the list down to four final contenders listed below:
1. Follow the Camino
2. Macs Adventures
3. Camino Ways
4. Frontier Holidays

Based on the criteria of what I deemed important, I then assessed each of the four providers on
1. Cost
2. Website
3. Responsiveness to follow up questions
4. Testimonials
5. Itinerary and
6. Free Wifi (not essential but as I will be writing a blog it was somewhat important to me)

To be honest I assigned a value against each of the criteria and scored each of them on a rating of 1-10. A bit like someone would conduct a tender evaluation. On many aspects the ratings were the same score for all four providers and there wasn’t much between first and last – 4 points in fact. The costs were assessed on an average daily rate over the full period and they were very similar and competitive. Yes, I probably could have done it myself but I want to enjoy my walking and not spend hours researching and booking travel before I leave or while I am in Spain. As I mentioned previously, I find it refreshing to hand over the organising to someone else because most of my life so far has been about organising others.

Interestingly, out of these four providers two where based in Dublin and the other two were based in Glasgow. (However many have offices around the globe). I have since discovered there are more providers in the US but my “search-engine” didn’t push me in that direction.

I settled on Follow the Camino – the very first website I stumbled across when the idea of walking the Camino first popped into my head back in December 2012. I considered my options for around 13 months and paid my deposit only a few weeks ago. “The proof of the pudding will be in the pot” as they say but this is what I came up with and I am happy with my decision and equally happy to share with other interested folk like yourself.

I continue to enjoy my preparation (which is now placing the organising in the capable hands of a third party) and to continue with my own local walking adventures. I will also be researching equipment and developing my photographic and writing / blogging skills so I can share my adventures with my support crew at home. In October I am going to walk The Six Foot Track, in the Blue Mountains (not nearly as long as your amazing Bibbulmun track but something I am looking forward to) In the meantime I continue to discover and rediscover many beautiful walks here in the Australian Capital Territory. I am dreaming also of my next Camino in 2018 (with my son) and we are talking about the Northern Way.

Life is such an adventure and I have learnt many things from the forum. It was perhaps naïve of me, but I didn’t anticipate there would be so many people questioning why I would want to choose a tour provider – and so few comments about how to choose a good one and ones to watch out for. I did however get some very comforting personal messages in my in-box and an invitation to join a local group who are really lovely. I will continue to learn a great deal from them. I work full time, have a very active young son in his final years of school. I will take up more part time study this year and enjoy my own very busy social and active life with my partner. The fact I have handed a small part of my Camino experience over to tour provider does not mean my Camino experience and the life-lessons will be any less authentic than someone who stays in an allbergue and has a more spontaneous less-planned and most definitely less expensive journey. I am still going to be walking around 900kms and I will still worship in the same beautiful places and get my passport stamped each day and receive my Compostela and attend mass where ever I can.

I hope this has been useful and good luck on your Camino pilgrim xx

Thank you so much Pilgrim in Training. Wow you have indeed put a lot of effort into selecting a tour provider. I am still not sure if I will go that way, but I will most certainly look up the providers you have short listed, and see how I feel about the whole issue. There are good reasons for having someone looking after your belongings and arranging the next place of accommodation. There are also good reasons to be less organised and take things as they come. I really appreciate your long and detailed post, which I will be returning to many times in the coming months. If your blog will be visible to the world I would also like to follow you when the time comes. Good Luck
 
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Thornley,
I just noticed that you may have a basic misunderstanding on the tour operators......they aren't necessarily group tours.

All of the ones that I met were solo or couples doing their walk just like everyone else. They just happened to have their stuff booked ahead of time. Some stayed in the Paradors, some didn't....I suspect is was simply a choice in cost.
There were, of course, group tours that had buses waiting at every corner. I do not believe that the OP or others asking about the tour operators were intending to be going on those types of trips.
Just book the flights, accommodations, have the big bags carried so they can be in more than the 2 sets of clothes that we had to choose from, and walk along with everyone else. I truly believe they had an extremely similar experience as us. And most of them started in St Jean, like us. We chose not to go on past Santiago.

Morning Canucks,
In the Macquarie dictionary a "tour" is described as;
An organised journey to or through a place or from a place to place.
Follow the Camino is a guided tour mate that breaks the camino in 8 different stages .
They have their luggage forwarded , accommodation booked for them and have a guide who you pay for.

I'm just against somebody organising MY camino.
Others are very welcome to use them and i have no lesser respect for these pilgrims .
BUT
As previously stated many times have a slow time frame , get planning early and there is no doubt that your journey will be more enjoyable .
I doubt old mate if ONE tour company uses the Paradors and some of the albergues we love.
We'll get an answer soon Canucks.
 
Well, it sounds like PiT has booked her tour and will find out soon enough if she enjoys it. And also, how she recommends the fresh Pilgrims To Be that are asking the same questions next year!!

Thornley, strangely enough we didn't choose to stay in the Paradors. We personally prefer smaller places and, when we checked, the ones in all but one of the (3 or 4??) cities were booked up. The one that wasn't was in a little town....the one with the rooster in the church, I believe. It just didn't seem compelling enough. If there was room in the one in Santiago, we probably would have stayed there. Any great recommendations for the Le Puy route? We are doing that in September.
 
A late addition to the list...a friend I met last fall used Raw Travel out of Australia. They booked all of his accommodations and arranged baggage transport for a 42 day Camino from SJPP to Santiago. He was very satisfied with the company and all of the accommodations they arranged.
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Well, it sounds like PiT has booked her tour and will find out soon enough if she enjoys it. And also, how she recommends the fresh Pilgrims To Be that are asking the same questions next year!!

Thornley, strangely enough we didn't choose to stay in the Paradors. We personally prefer smaller places and, when we checked, the ones in all but one of the (3 or 4??) cities were booked up. The one that wasn't was in a little town....the one with the rooster in the church, I believe. It just didn't seem compelling enough. If there was room in the one in Santiago, we probably would have stayed there. Any great recommendations for the Le Puy route? We are doing that in September.

Canucks ,
The parador you refer to is at Santo Domingo , there is two in this beautiful city. If they could have refused us mate they would have as i was a tad dusty, wet from sweat and tired. We wanted to stay there as the town has been bypassed by us on two earlier occasions.
The freebies to the museums etc we gave away to a very tired young chinese girl who had also that day walked from Ventosa [ 34km plus... in the middle of August ... mad ]
She into the albergue with the nuns , myself the bath.....66 years .......too old for those distance's. We paid 100 euros for room and breakfast and the next day 25km to Belorado and their wonderful albergue.
On the Le Puy route i will send you a few places we loved , all gites run by owners who have been pilgrims and really care for the walkers.
** However two pieces of advice on the path written on a pole and also a monument are the following words,
1/ J'Avance lentement mais surement ........................... I advance SLOWLY but surely.
2/ Dans le silence et la solitude on n'entend plus que l' essentials ........................... In the silence and solitude one hears only the essentials.

The Le Puy camino is 100% different than the Frances.
You will have a wonderful walk,
David
 
Back on the forum and fingers crossed I won’t be “bumped out” today! This post is in response to the question from OzViking about which tour provider I settled on for my Camino experience in May-June 2015.

Based on my own needs and budget and I came to the conclusion that the best option for me was to use a tour provider (and I figure you have already read through the conversation so I won’t go back over it). I originally found around 10 providers and eliminated some of those because they:

A) Were too expensive
B) Didn’t offer the full French Way
C) Appeared to cater for groups and not individuals or
D) Focused less on the walking and more on high-end accommodation and exquisite gourmet food (which sounded lovely but not for me)
E) Included lots of additional side trips

As mentioned, I wanted a supported (self-guided) tour and don’t necessarily need to travel with the same group all the way either. Not to say I won’t enjoy joining groups but I can also exercise flexibility.

I listened to and enjoyed some old Rick Steves podcasts I found in iTunes (he loves Spain) and I found a Spanish provider who sounded perfect. But because my trip was 18 months away he was reluctant to give me an estimate and was also too busy at the time. When it got closer, I reminded him, however he didn’t follow up (so unfortunately that provider missed out). Most of the providers had a strong connection to Spain and a sincere appreciation of walking (and while they are selling a product,) the ones with careful marketing that reached out and appealed to my own values were the ones that got into the next round so to speak.

I got the list down to four final contenders listed below:
1. Follow the Camino
2. Macs Adventures
3. Camino Ways
4. Frontier Holidays

Based on the criteria of what I deemed important, I then assessed each of the four providers on
1. Cost
2. Website
3. Responsiveness to follow up questions
4. Testimonials
5. Itinerary and
6. Free Wifi (not essential but as I will be writing a blog it was somewhat important to me)

To be honest I assigned a value against each of the criteria and scored each of them on a rating of 1-10. A bit like someone would conduct a tender evaluation. On many aspects the ratings were the same score for all four providers and there wasn’t much between first and last – 4 points in fact. The costs were assessed on an average daily rate over the full period and they were very similar and competitive. Yes, I probably could have done it myself but I want to enjoy my walking and not spend hours researching and booking travel before I leave or while I am in Spain. As I mentioned previously, I find it refreshing to hand over the organising to someone else because most of my life so far has been about organising others.

Interestingly, out of these four providers two where based in Dublin and the other two were based in Glasgow. (However many have offices around the globe). I have since discovered there are more providers in the US but my “search-engine” didn’t push me in that direction.

I settled on Follow the Camino – the very first website I stumbled across when the idea of walking the Camino first popped into my head back in December 2012. I considered my options for around 13 months and paid my deposit only a few weeks ago. “The proof of the pudding will be in the pot” as they say but this is what I came up with and I am happy with my decision and equally happy to share with other interested folk like yourself.

I continue to enjoy my preparation (which is now placing the organising in the capable hands of a third party) and to continue with my own local walking adventures. I will also be researching equipment and developing my photographic and writing / blogging skills so I can share my adventures with my support crew at home. In October I am going to walk The Six Foot Track, in the Blue Mountains (not nearly as long as your amazing Bibbulmun track but something I am looking forward to) In the meantime I continue to discover and rediscover many beautiful walks here in the Australian Capital Territory. I am dreaming also of my next Camino in 2018 (with my son) and we are talking about the Northern Way.

Life is such an adventure and I have learnt many things from the forum. It was perhaps naïve of me, but I didn’t anticipate there would be so many people questioning why I would want to choose a tour provider – and so few comments about how to choose a good one and ones to watch out for. I did however get some very comforting personal messages in my in-box and an invitation to join a local group who are really lovely. I will continue to learn a great deal from them. I work full time, have a very active young son in his final years of school. I will take up more part time study this year and enjoy my own very busy social and active life with my partner. The fact I have handed a small part of my Camino experience over to tour provider does not mean my Camino experience and the life-lessons will be any less authentic than someone who stays in an allbergue and has a more spontaneous less-planned and most definitely less expensive journey. I am still going to be walking around 900kms and I will still worship in the same beautiful places and get my passport stamped each day and receive my Compostela and attend mass where ever I can.

I hope this has been useful and good luck on your Camino pilgrim xx

Hi PiT,

My husband and I are doing our first Camino in April/May 2015 and, like you, we opted to go through an Australian group who specialise in walking tours (Camino Raw). Our reasons for not doing it all ourselves and for taking the 'easier' option of pre-booked accommodation and ported bags was very similar to yours- primarily time, both now and then.
This is a 'bucket list' event for both of us and we looking forward to the opportunity to learn about ourselves and each other in this journey. We will welcome meeting new people however, finding out that we still want to enjoy this with each other after 35 year of being together is the real thrill right now - hopefully we still feel that way at the end.
Having spent 10 years in scouts, I am familiar with the type of experience Alberques will offer - I will miss the closeness that shared discomfort brings but the call of a guaranteed, clean , hot shower every night won me.
We are so excited and have started our weekly training walks after buying new boots and 'real' hiking socks. I am currently investigating day pack options and am looking at Deuter's Trans Alpine SL series for myself - opinions and advice welcome.
I hope that everything works out well for you and that you have a wonderful journey. Buen Camino.
 
I walked the Camino in May and June this year and I took advantage of a tour operator. I chose Raw Travel as I had experienced their services in February on their Great Ocean Road Walk and was very impressed. In addition it was an Australian operator, so it was easy for me to get on the phone to them as I was planning my walk. Here are my thoughts and observations:
I am very pleased I used a tour operator to book my accommodation and to transport my luggage for the entire journey St Jean Pied de Port to Finisterre.
I never had to worry if I would have a bed for the night and I had the luxury of more than one change of clothes.
I met so many people that were fed up with the albergue style accommodation that they were desperately looking for alternative accommodation with privacy.
I was able to socialise with everyone during the day and at mealtimes, but I could close the door to 'the world' when I wanted to go to sleep or simply needed a bit of privacy.
I had my own toilet and shower facilities every day.
I could go straight to my room when I arrived. No opening hours or 'lights out' rules.
I have done my share of backpacking and staying at hostels when I was younger. I have nothing to prove and it is OK to be gentle to myself.
I am fortunate that I have sufficient funds to pay for this kind of service and in the future, this will be the only way for me. If I can't afford it, I would rather stay home and enjoy my own bed and other comforts.
As to my specific tour operator .... There were a couple of glitches, but no bigger than they could be sorted out on the spot or along the way.
I can definitely recommend using a tour operator.
If interested my blog address is http://ozvikingcamino.wordpress.com
 
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I walked the Camino in May and June this year and I took advantage of a tour operator. I chose Raw Travel as I had experienced their services in February on their Great Ocean Road Walk and was very impressed. In addition it was an Australian operator, so it was easy for me to get on the phone to them as I was planning my walk. Here are my thoughts and observations:
I am very pleased I used a tour operator to book my accommodation and to transport my luggage for the entire journey St Jean Pied de Port to Finisterre.
I never had to worry if I would have a bed for the night and I had the luxury of more than one change of clothes.
I met so many people that were fed up with the albergue style accommodation that they were desperately looking for alternative accommodation with privacy.
I was able to socialise with everyone during the day and at mealtimes, but I could close the door to 'the world' when I wanted to go to sleep or simply needed a bit of privacy.
I had my own toilet and shower facilities every day.
I could go straight to my room when I arrived. No opening hours or 'lights out' rules.
I have done my share of backpacking and staying at hostels when I was younger. I have nothing to prove and it is OK to be gentle to myself.
I am fortunate that I have sufficient funds to pay for this kind of service and in the future, this will be the only way for me. If I can't afford it, I would rather stay home and enjoy my own bed and other comforts.
As to my specific tour operator .... There were a couple of glitches, but no bigger than they could be sorted out on the spot or along the way.
I can definitely recommend using a tour operator.
If interested my blog address is http://ozvikingcamino.wordpress.com
Thank you OzViking I will enjoy reading your blog - such a great way to capture your adventures I plan to do something similar in May next year.
 
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Hello fellow Pilgrims -I have been reading posts on this forum for the last 9 months and have learnt a lot, thank you for sharing your insights and ideas I have found it extremely useful. I have 19 months to go until I walk the Camino (French Way) in May 2015 and I think about it every day especially when I am out walking. I have set up a special savings plan and am very close to selecting a specialist travel company to assist me. I had hoped to walk with two friends but will most likely be heading off by myself. (Although I know you are never alone on the Camino). I have narrowed them down to four possibilities and seriously they all look fantastic. Does anyone have any tips on what I should look for to help me make that final selection? My Camino starts in Canberra in the Australian Capital Territory.
Were you satisfied with the choice of Follow the Camino?
 
Hi Cannan and welcome. This is an old thread and the original poster hasn’t been seen again since nearly 3 years ago. I would start a new thread if you have any questions. :)
 
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We chose Spanish Adventures to set up lodging and help with certain logistics. We're 70 years old and have lots of wear and tear from an active life style. We wanted to limit our daily mileage. The out fitter is Gary, originally from Australia. He was extremely patient with our constant tweaking of our plans. Our costs were reasonable. His knowledge helped us plan efficiently. One important thing is anticipating jet lag adjustment. We flew into Madrid from Boston, USA and spent 4 days getting oriented to the time differences. Trekking poles are very helpful. I used a 35 liter pack from Amazon that cost $32. It was excellent. Used trail runner style shoes a full size larger than usual.
You'll love it.
 

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