- Time of past OR future Camino
- Too many and too often!
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Forgive me for not reading the link first, but my first instinct is to say thank you for your ever ready eagle eye for all things Camino and Santiago. As for joined up thinking, the idea takes me back to a time when two friends twisted my arm to go with them to Lourdes. I recall just such a tax. I guess the authorities have to be creative in benefitting from the tourists...Over the past few days a number of news websites have reported on the new mayor's proposal to introduce a daily tourist tax as part of plans to limit numbers in the city at peak times and fund tourist infrastructure improvements. An idea which comes a few months after the Xunta announced a budget of 141 million euros to develop and promote the Caminos in advance of the 2027 Holy Year. Joined-up thinking?
This Spanish pilgrimage spot could soon introduce a tourist tax
“I want Santiago de Compostela to stop being just a tourist destination and a theme park,” mayor says.www.euronews.com
Who started pushing the Camino, flattening and bulldozing rural paths to turn them into gravel roads? Now they wish there were fewer of us? They should have thought of that earlier.I want this municipality to stop being just a tourist destination and a theme park,” she said, according to Europa Press.
I don't think they're blaming pilgrims, and even on a busy pilgrim day in Santiago, most of the visitors to the city have not walked or biked the Camino, as anyone who has walked through the crowds recently will know.Oh, so now the blame falls on all the pilgrims?
Perhaps, though it doesn't fix what's out of balance. So I just hope they plan to use some that revenue to support affordable housing. As @Pelerina says quite succinctly - it's housing that's one of the biggest issues. To deal with that there needs to e regulation, zoning, and support for housing that normal people can afford.I don’t think the ulterior motive is anything other than revenue.
When I was there is June, the majority of people in the square and in the cathedral were tourists, most likely day tourists. They are easily spotted by the flimsy headphones and the guide shepherding them around. It's a popular place!Over the past few days a number of news websites have reported on the new mayor's proposal to introduce a daily tourist tax as part of plans to limit numbers in the city at peak times and fund tourist infrastructure improvements. An idea which comes a few months after the Xunta announced a budget of 141 million euros to develop and promote the Caminos in advance of the 2027 Holy Year. Joined-up thinking?
This Spanish pilgrimage spot could soon introduce a tourist tax
“I want Santiago de Compostela to stop being just a tourist destination and a theme park,” mayor says.www.euronews.com
The article says that the new mayor Goretti Sanmartín is calling for the same policy which Bugallo put forward earlier this year.It should be pointed out that Bugallo is no longer the mayor.
Hell would probably freeze before the Xunta and the new mayor of Santiago joined up for everything.Over the past few days a number of news websites have reported on the new mayor's proposal to introduce a daily tourist tax as part of plans to limit numbers in the city at peak times and fund tourist infrastructure improvements. An idea which comes a few months after the Xunta announced a budget of 141 million euros to develop and promote the Caminos in advance of the 2027 Holy Year. Joined-up thinking?
This Spanish pilgrimage spot could soon introduce a tourist tax
“I want Santiago de Compostela to stop being just a tourist destination and a theme park,” mayor says.www.euronews.com
Often it's more about financing some tourist initiatives without detriment to the locals.What motivates a tourist tax is first and foremost making money.
Depends how much they charge. If they jacked the prices up to 20-30 euros, it might have the desired effect. At 5 euros, most won't care. But if it costs more than the average cost of a bed in an albergue, then people will sit up and take notice.But if anyone thinks that this will help to keep pilgrims numbers down or to stop bad behaviour... Let's say that's very optimistic.
@Pelerina, it's this very situation which put the final nail in the coffin of my plans to spend a few years in Spain under the NLV scheme. I couldn't find 'stable' rental accommodation in my desired location/s. I wasn't set on one place but rather had a few options in the hope I'd be able to find something somewhere for the duration...or at least a year, to comply with visa requirements.In Australia, my husband and I are lucky enough to live in a beautiful area where people like to visit but also has a thriving local community. But, sadly, in recent years, it has become unachievable for people with average means to rent or buy there as many properties are now on the overnight and short term rental market to cater for tourism. Many including young families - the future of the community - have been forced to leave as they can no longer afford to live there. I know Santiago and other heavily touristed towns have introduced new rules aimed at regulating short term accommodation which would formerly have been available to local people.
I don’t know the solution...
There’s already a tourist tax in other cities, basically amounts to a few extra euros added onto the lodging by accommodation type.Who started pushing the Camino, flattening and bulldozing rural paths to turn them into gravel roads? Now they wish there were fewer of us? They should have thought of that earlier.
To be fair it wasn't the city of Santiago that did that, it was the Xunta Galicia. But the snowball effect of camino-centered commercialization is in full swing. When it was 150,000 scruffy basic pilgrims, all was OK. But now there are groups, bus tours, and multiple ways for people to come to the city. They got what they wanted and it's too much. Oh, so now the blame it all on all the pilgrims?
Which is not to say I'd be averse to paying that. Not at all. I feel strongly that since we have a effect, we therefore have a role to play to mitigate it. It's not a lot. But this is hardly likely to close the pilgrim faucet. People will keep coming, tax or no tax.
I smell an ulterior motive.
Or something we don't know.
Because it doesn't make sense.
Often it's more about financing some tourist initiatives without detriment to the locals.
In my walks across Southern Europe, I've found that locations with healthy tourist structures where people are generally happy to at least eat & drink tend not to have this sort of tax.
Picnics and people climbing are a pure policing issue. Both years I walked the number of police in the cathedral square was minimal at best. You honestly see more in towns and cities in most other countries in Europe than in Santiago. They didn't seem to get proactive policing as a concept, so a side effect of that was at least two pickpocket gangs (that I had identified) and a multitude of beggars (that may have been in cahoots with the pickpockets). On a side note, I find it highly amusing that the people that are begging, also seem to have the most expensive phones, that even i can't afford (or justify) to spend money on.
If you have a problem, you can be proactive and work around it, or you can bury your head in the sand and come up with some half baked solution that causes you more problems down the line. From everything I've seen of Spain over the years, proactive is not a word usable when describing local government. It's all reactive, as opposed to proactive. Why let things get bad, when you can fix them before they become a problem. I suppose if they did that, then the locals would be happy and they wouldn't have any causes or issues to use in their politicial campaigns.
I had to google to find out a bit more. I am willing to bet that she is the only mayor in all of Spain who is also a member of the Real Academia, in her case the Real Academia Gallega.The article says that the new mayor Goretti Sanmartín is calling for the same policy which Bugallo put forward earlier this year.
Indeed. I think (think being the key word because I cannot declare I know the answer) it can be a difficult problem for municipalities to work out. When cost of goods and services goes up and the number of visitors goes up does the current tax formula increase at the same rate? I am not an economist or intimately familiar with Santiago’s governing structure at all. In general it seems to be the same dilemma faced around the world. Godspeed to those tasked with finding the answer.With all Respect Due... don't all already PAY some form of tourist.... ahem... infrastructure tax?
The occupancy tax in any accommodations for rent?
As as part of :
Any meal bought in the city?
Parking fees wherever one may park. (garages, lots, meters on the street, etc.)?
Transportation incl. trains, planes and automobiles?
Any goods purchased from merchants?
Fees to museums and such?
For the fear of being perhaps the lone dissenting voice, when I hear the word "tax" I cringe and shudder....
..and it also seems to be an interesting circle that has indeed repeated itself in many places as have been mentioned in posts above:
- Please, PLEASE come to our <insert place here > and see what we offer. WE LOVE TO SEE YOU!!! WE LOVE YOU, WE WELCOME YOU!!!!
- Ooops.... there is just too many of you; we should... TAX you.... yeah, that's it
And I'm off MY soapbox now
A campsite that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to stay at, like a municipal one and get the local police to collect the money from whomever is staying there. You achieve income and you also proactively police the area. Make it a tent only campsite and maybe require a credencial to stay there. It doesn't have to be in the middle of the city either, just needs to be affordable for those pilgrims that aren't well off enough to afford albergues or have conditions that don't allow for them to stay indoors (health, ex-military, etc). Priced to be inclusive of all and you will remove the vast majority of the people camping in parks and anywhere they feel like. FTR, the campsite near the Carrefour is pretty expensive.
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