gidivet
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- Time of past OR future Camino
- SJPP to SdC - April - June 2014
Le Puy to Conques May 2016
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I met a group of Kiwis (New Zealand) last year who all had AARN packs. They loved them! By shifting even a couple of kilos from the back to the front, you better balance the weight. This reduces stress on your hips and shoulders. It might look odd. But by the end of a 30Km day, you will appreciate it.
This year, I have affixed a Z-Packs chest pack to the front harness of my Osprey Kestrel. Together with up to 4-500ml water bottles hung on the harness, this should shift about 3-4 kg to my front from my back.
The Z-Packs chest pack will contain those things I might want whilst walking and which normally would entail removing the rucksack. I am thinking of gloves, hat, sun hat, extra water, Buff, guide book, snacks, etc.
This is a proof of concept. I hope it works.
Oh thank you so much for letting me know that.....rei said I could bring one home, fill it up and walk around a while, and if it didn't work out I could bring it back. Maybe I'll take them up on that and try the dueter. Thanks a ton!Hi Jann
Just a quick comment on the arm rubbing on the Deuter.
I have the Deuter SL act lite 35+10. (Heaps of room BTW) but leaving that aside, I thought I felt rubbing too when I was testing it in shop but when I walk with my pack I use poles and my arms are quite clear . I haven't noticed it since the initial walk about when testing it.
The ability to shorten /lengthen is terrific for me.
Annie
Capen,
thanks for all the info.....I went to rei and tried on every pack I thought may work....narrowed it down to that dueter 45L+10 , or an osprey 46L. I was leaning toward the dueter until I had them both filled up with 20 lbs of weight then it was clear the osprey was probably the one for me as the dueter straps really rubbed my inner arm while walking. I'm going back to rei one more time to try again as the salesperson was very busy and I'm hoping adjustment can be made (that I don't know about) to the dueter as I really preferred that one overall. But I think the decision may be already made.
Luckily I don't walk until Sept so I have plenty of time to figure it out!
Good, fast, cheap: pick any two.
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Go smaller if you can, everybody overlooks the Gregory line of packs, try the Jade 28 and Jade 38, you might be surprised.
I've tried smaller.....my stuff doesn't fit in less that 45! This might be a personal problembut I'm really not bringing extras. Biggest items are sleeping bag, fleece jacket and rain gear....what am I doing wrong here? My bag weight is 7.5 kg (or 16 lbs for us Americans that can't do metrics!!)
I've tried smaller.....my stuff doesn't fit in less that 45! This might be a personal problembut I'm really not bringing extras. Biggest items are sleeping bag, fleece jacket and rain gear....what am I doing wrong here? My bag weight is 7.5 kg (or 16 lbs for us Americans that can't do metrics!!)
Biggest items are sleeping bag, fleece jacket and rain gear....!)
I got a little scale and the results are eye opening:
My fleece jackets range from 635 to 250 grams . None of them are as warm or windproof as my Montbell down jacket, which at 205 grams is a milagro---lighter than a tee shirt.
My raingear has a similar range, with a nylon rain jacket from Helly Hansen coming in at 680 gms, and a Sea to Summit nano poncho weighing 190.
How big is your sleeping bag? Something like a Deuter dream lite would be enough. Rain gear? A poncho and a light rain shell like a Marmot Precip will be enough. I wouldn't bring rain pants.
For a fleece, go for the lightest one you can find and layer with a rain shell.
The other way people pack too much is by packing extra food and snacks from home, I had at least 2kg of food and it took me over week to get rid of it all, I even left a jar of peanut butter on the picnic table at Orisson! (A Canadian girl who had been living Paris for the past year gladly took it) I also ditched more stuff in Pamplona.
Really take a long look at your packing list and shave it down.
I started at 21lbs and by the time I finished I was down to 16lbs, now that I know what to pack, I'm down to 14lbs with water in a 30L pack with room to spare.
Jann,
You don't even leave until September, and you've got a pack weight of 7.5 kg? (I assume that includes the weight of the pack itself? Which one did you choose?)
You could leave tomorrow if you wanted, so no stress. And really, a 45 liter pack is not huge. I think the big-ness of 45 L gets inflated around here, but seriously, 35 L and less are in "daypack/fair-weather weekend pack" territory. It's totally normal that a 45 L pack would be the right size to hold your stuff for a trek like the camino. As long as the pack is comfortable and your kg's are in single digits, you're just fine.
If you're at only 7.5 kg's, then you've already made some great choices. A lot of the "bulk" requiring a higher capacity pack comes from the fact that you probably don't own a lot of high tech gear. Which is fine.
In order to reduce more weight and space, you can:
1: Reassess luxury/comfort items. (But don't feel you have to eliminate them all. Going ultralight is not a magic number. Find a balance of pack weight and trail/travel comfort that works for you.)
2: Spend some (or lots of) money on some technical lightweight gear and layerable clothing that takes up less space or is more compressible.
3: Is your stuff, including your clothes, as "multipurpose" as possible?
cheers!
Caplen
Last year, I just winged it. My Osprey Kestrel 48 felt fine on local training walks, fully loaded. But, I had not counted on the Pyrenees - two days of UP! Well a day-and-a-half really. Once you cross the border into Spain, the path tends to level out then head down towards Roncesvalles. I recall that it was about 17 km UP, followed by 8 Km level or down.
In any event, it turns out that I was carrying 32 pounds - about 15 kilos. Well, by the time I made it to Pamplona, about six pounds went into a box at the post office and got mailed to Ivar's office at Santiago. By the time I made it to Burgo, another two pounds went in the mail to Ivar's place. I have to consume powdered protein every day to supplement my diet, so when I started, I was carrying an extra six pounds of that stuff.
This year, I prepared an Excel worksheet listing EVERYTHING I was even thinking of taking, base on last year's experience. I used a digital food scale to weigh everything, both in grams and ounces. When I considered whether to take this or that, the choice was usually made based on alternative weights.
I am mailing three-weeks of powdered protein ahead, to a mid-point stop, along with some other consumables for a savings of just about 2 kg at the start. Other economies cut another 7 - 8 pounds, or nearly 4 kilos from my total weight.
I am not so neurotic or obsessed that I shorten toothbrush handles or cut labels from clothes. However, I did try to get clever and argued a lot with myself regarding a few "just in case" or nice to have items. For the most part those items are GONE.
I leave one week from Thursday for Paris and St. Jean Pied de Port, starting my next Camino on 27 April. Presently, my rucksack weighs 21 pounds - all-in, or about 10 kg. Based on my weight, I could get away with as much as 12 kg. But, I KNOW there will be last minute items that will sneak into my rucksack. So, I assume I will be carrying between 10 and 12 Kg when I walk out of St. Jean on 27 April. That is still several kg less than last year.
Also, this does not include water weight or anything I am wearing. Still and all, comparing this year to last year, I estimate I am starting with 8 - 10 pounds LESS than last year. And THAT is an accomplishment, relative though it may be.
We will see what remains by the time I reach Santiago at the end of May...
My sleeping bag is good to 40degrees at 2lbs4oz,
my rain gear is a "sea to summit" waterproof poncho,
my warm pieces are a fleece jacket, knit hat, and gloves (I'm going to try to find a lighter wt. jacket)
other than that I have (not counting what I'll be wearing)
1 pants, 1 short sleeve top, I long sleeve top, (also will be shopping for lighter wt articles here)
I set silk long johns used for sleeping and cold weather,
2 changes of undies and socks,
crocs,
"sea to summit" towel, & minimum toiletries,
small homemade first aid kit,
phone & charger,
guidebook,
safety pins to hang clothes,
neck pouch for money, passport, credit
I don't think of any of that as luxury items??
I'm hoping when I shop for clothes to get some of my weight down as I was just using stuff I had to get a rough idea of weight. Since I've never backpacked or had to be aware of my luggage weight I don't have appropriate clothing for backpacking. But I do like shopping so I'm not worried about it!
Deuter Dreamlite, that's one pound shaved off.
An ultra light fleece cap
http://www.polartec.com/warmth/polarfleece/
Silk long johns? use an albergue blanket on top of your sleeping bag.
6 cheap plastic clothespins are light enough to carry, I had some diaper pins, but never used them.
as far as pants and shirts go, I wore Mountain Khakis Granite Creek pants during the day, and I wore L/S Mountain Hardwear Canyon shirts (one blue or one green) during the day and wore MK Granite Creek shorts after walking with an Under Armor Heatgear tshirt in the evenings. All were quick drying.
I know I'm weird but I've tried mummy bags and I must be claustrophobic, but I need a rectangle bag...otherwise I'm freaking out all night :/ ( I know, simple minds)
Thanks for the polar fleece jacket, cap and clothespin tips.
I'm going shopping for clothes later in the summer because I'm working out and hoping to drop some weight before I start my camino in Sept....but I assume I can find the correct lightweight clothes at REI? That is the only sport store around me that I'm aware of.
I can't thank you enough for your import....I know I'll be better prepared because of it!
Just make sure the lid fits well. Actually that is not unheard of. Dana Designs makes a frame with a platform that is designed to carry just about anything. I've seen it used to haul chainsaws into the back country or other such. There are bicycle panniers made from plastic kitty litter buckets also. If you carried 2 buckets weighted evenly you could get away with a shoulder pole. I saw tiny women in Viet Nam hauling huge heavy loads this way. They get a rhythm to their walk and they integrate the bounce of the shoulder pole with their gait. They can switch shoulders without missing a beat. Amazing! I would fall flat on my face if I tried that.You all are sure different! I'm used to seeing long term backpackers who are carrying everything they own and traveling for a year or two or three. I see a lot of North Face and a lot of Wolfskin and starting to see much more Military surplus packs. Not at unusual to meet people carrying a 90 liter back on their back and another 90 liter pack on their chest. But they just hump their packs to the bus or boat or plane. Generally when they arrive at a destination, they leave their big packs in a hostel storage room while they do 2 or 3 day hikes with a small day pack.
Think I'll duct tape a five gallon paint bucket to a pack frame and weight it. Should be all I need.
Caplin, Haha, do you think I'm excited or what?
Actually I bought both the osprey and dueter, I'm going to take turns loading up each one and walk around my neighborhood (REI's idea) to see which one works better for me. I'll leave all tags on then I'll return which ever one doesn't work. REI has been wonderful to work with.
My weight does include the pack ( both are within a few ounces of each other) but does not include water or snacks.
You're right, I don't own any high tech gear so I will be doing some shopping still. My weight is using stuff I already own so I know I can get it down a little more if I make good choices when I shop.
I feel like everything I've packed is necessities, no luxury items. See my post above and let me know what you think.
Fill me in on multipurpose clothes? I have much to learn....but lots of time to do it
I wouldn't call 799 grms ultralite, that's four times heavier than my Mountain Warehouse packMy first pack was made for me by my mother at age eight. It was a pillowcase with straps attached. I loved that pack! Now, 57 years later, I seem to have come full circle, and I just purchased a Hyperlite Mountain Gear 2400 Windrider pack http://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/review/product/list/id/29/category/6/?limit=20. It's made of cuben fiber and is an ultralite. It has the look of a pillowcase with straps attached -- just the thing for me!
Sounds like a great plan, bringing both packs home. REI is awesome that way!
Your list does look totally pared down, with no luxuries. So it's just a matter of replacing some of what you own with lighter weight alternatives. By "multipurpose" clothes, I just mean items that can be used in multiple settings.
Here is my (tentative) clothing list for the camino:
(May-August 2015 on a pieced together GR10/Norte/Primitivo/Fistera/Muxia/Costa da Morte/Ingles route)
Walking in (in general, fair weather):
Macabi skirt (also for evening, as it sheds water/dirt so easily it needs little laundering)
technical tee
bra/Wickers (long "boy shorts" undies - anti-chafe for skirt hiking)
trail runners/low-profile synthetic socks
bandanna (for tying back hair, washcloth, napkin, soak in water to cool down, etc)
hat (undecided - hate hats, but need sun protection, have yet to find system I love - though I do love my umbrella - http://www.golite.com/Chrome-Dome-Trekking-Umbrella-P928.aspx - I use it for sun protection on long, gentle, exposed trails/roads, as well as for gentle rain)
Carrying:
Crocs (shower, beach walking/swimming, evenings)
extra bra/2 extra Wickers/2 pr extra hiking socks
med weight long underwear (black, v-neck top - use as warm base layer, leggings/outerwear top, pajamas...)
2 tech tees (one "nice" one reserved for evening/rest day/sleep - but could hike in it if necessary)
sarong (skirt for evenings, but also towel, sheet, shawl/wrap, privacy screen, etc)
light nylon shorts (swimming, sleeping, laundry-wear)
fleece "warmies" (gloves, beanie cap, buff, sleep socks)
100 wt full-zip fleece hoodie
wind shirt (1 oz, worn alone or under fleece for extra warmth)
Packa (rain gear, also outer shell for extra warmth, belted w/ strip of velcro if wearing w/o pack)
(Undecided on also bringing zip-off hiking pants, and light long-sleeve button shirt)
Like you, I hate mummy bags. I'm slightly claustrophobic, and a side-sleeper. I need a full-zip, rectangular bag or liner, which I will still usually just use at least partially unzipped. There is no way I will spend hundreds of dollars on a super-lightweight , down bag that I will never zip myself up in.
My current liner, which I was planning on taking (I just sleep in extra clothes if it's cold, or no refugio blankets are available) is microfiber, rectangular and full zip. It also weighs 21 oz, so on the heavy side for a liner. I'm eyeing this as a possible replacement - http://www.proforceequipment.com/product-details.php?id=203&catid=4 It's 27 oz, but still light for a bag, with more warmth than a liner, and it opens up fully to a blanket. Perfect for me.
It's great to shop REI if you're a member and earn dividends. Here are 2 other good online sources for clothing and gear:
http://www.campmor.com/ (cheap year-round, great & easy returns)
http://www.backcountry.com/ (great customer service, usually pricey - but have twice a year 20% off sales)
cheers,
Caplen
Have also had side pockets of packs completely disappear from loading machinery feeding luggage into planes. Learned not to pack anything worthwhile in side pockets for plane trips.
Jann - I am sure you can find lighter, warmer/cooler sleeping bags than one that weights 2ibs,4 oz - which for those of us in the metric world comes at out 1.056 kg. Mine in under 800 grams and I am thinking about finding a lighter one (there are ones less than 500 gms). Unless you are one who really feels the cold or your walking in winter try one of the summer light weight ones (with a silk liner). CheersMy sleeping bag is good to 40degrees at 2lbs4oz,
my rain gear is a "sea to summit" waterproof poncho!
It's really just a matter of optimizing the order.I've been told the same applies with food-sleep -sex. If two are going really well you can skip the third.
I am surprised at the "local search" procedures - even in down-town Philli? As for the name tag - I usually have at least 2 tags on all my luggage - both checked and carry on. Even then I had to produce other ident to ague that a bag was mine - looked the same as someone else.Forgot something--when talking to local baggage handlers, they told me that I should attach a name tag to my backpack. I always just have an envelope inside with my contact info...but they said that they are NOT allowed to open any lost luggage. If no nametag on outside, lost luggage goes to places where it is sold.
Well, of course it depends on what you may have accidentally put in.....Hold baggage is passed through various scanners to (hopefully) pick out bombs etc, but walking poles/knives/scissors/corkscrews - all the things the modern pilgrim needs - will be OK.Hope someone can give me an answer to this question. When in SdC airport last week I had my pack wrapped in a kind of clingfilm, stiff plastic before putting it on the transportband at checkin. Some airports have plastic containers to put your pack in at checkin but SdC hasn't.
Does this automatically means that packs that are wrapped in this manner are never checked and opened? What would have happened I wonder if I had accidentally put in something ?
Any excuse to carry sharp objects on boardCheers Travellingman. Hmm I feel a project coming on : Ryanair selling embroidery kits of their logo. Instant hit I guess...
Well, the harp would make a good sewing project.Cheers Travellingman. Hmm I feel a project coming on : Ryanair selling embroidery kits of their logo. Instant hit I guess...
Osprey - UK. I quite liked the Deuter specs but my local stores had very few. Cotswold Outdoor staff were pushing Osprey. I am very happy with my Osprey Kestrel 38 litre. I'm training with 10 kg, hoping to shave it down a bit before Camino.
Congras on completing the Camino. My wife and I start from SJPP this September. Can you offer up any tips for an older couple? Oh by the way we will be walking with Osprey.Just finished walking SJPDP to santiago. Would estimate 80% of packs being carried were Osprey. Not that carrying one is good as they have the look of a potato sack and we all know it is better to look good than to be good. My North Face pack broke two buckles and has two serious tears in material. In my opinion the best packs I observed were Quechuas. If I go totally senile and walk the Camino again I believe I will carry a Quechua.
. If I go totally senile and walk the Camino again I believe I will carry a Quechua.
I just bought a 35 liter! I love it! SO much easier and lighter than my pack from last time. And as far as I can tell all of my stuff fits easily.Thanks so much for the responses ..... I was worried the 36 liter pack (gossamer Gear "Kuma") I just ordered would be too small, but it sounds like it should be doable. I guess if my stuff doesn't fit I need to get rid of some stuff! I was excited to find this backpack weighing only about a pound.....should receive it in the next few days. That will help keep my weight down
Which model is that? I've owned several different accessories made by Gossamer Gear but never purchased any packs from them. My wife will probably need a new pack next year, wonder if one of the GG packs would work. Maybe an Osprey or GG.I just bought a 35 liter! I love it! SO much easier and lighter than my pack from last time. And as far as I can tell all of my stuff fits easily.
I have a 35L Fjallraven Friluft which I couldn't be more happy with! I'll have to wait and find out if it's just as comfortable on the actual Camino as well though, but I'm sure we'll get along just fine.
I have a 35L Fjallraven Friluft which I couldn't be more happy with! I'll have to wait and find out if it's just as comfortable on the actual Camino as well though, but I'm sure we'll get along just fine.
Aarn Featherlite Freedom. A better mousetrap. View attachment 9135
old school american dana design m-80 for the camino and those pesky zombcie outbreaks.
Osprey's women specific packs I highly recommend. Mine is pink, and that's fine by me.Capen,
thanks for all the info.....I went to rei and tried on every pack I thought may work....narrowed it down to that dueter 45L+10 , or an osprey 46L. I was leaning toward the dueter until I had them both filled up with 20 lbs of weight then it was clear the osprey was probably the one for me as the dueter straps really rubbed my inner arm while walking. I'm going back to rei one more time to try again as the salesperson was very busy and I'm hoping adjustment can be made (that I don't know about) to the dueter as I really preferred that one overall. But I think the decision may be already made.
Luckily I don't walk until Sept so I have plenty of time to figure it out!
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