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Having served at Canfranc Pueblo twice, I am happy to save that I have! Thank goodness for those pilgrims who see the good that donativos offer and are willingly to support them.Personally, I think the minimum donation anyone should consider if there is are two meals involved is 20 euros. I never saw that at Canfranc Pueblo.
One - I do applaud your willingness to donate generously at donativos. If anything this thread puncuates, once more, that the need for generous donations is much greater than some folks may thnk (and unfortunately, in some cases - care)This is the reason I'd live to just sleep outside. I've had terrible experiences with private albergues. I often felt bullied and pushed around by grumpy owners. I'll stay at a donativo well before giving my money away to private enterprise. And I will donate generously.
I’ve used donativo albergues quite a few times, more through availability but I’ve never left less than 20 euros for meal and board, but unfortunately I’ve seen so many pilgrims throwing a handful of loose change into the box, it’s so embarrassing after the hosts have worked so hard to provide a clean albergue and hearty meals.At San Anton, it was quite disappointing to hear someone drops a few coins in the donativo box. When Ovidio came around to collect the donations to buy our supplies, we would be elated when he showed us a few 20's and 50's. Personally, I think the minimum donation anyone should consider if there is are two meals involved is 20 euros. I never saw that at Canfranc Pueblo.
We volunteered at San Miguel in Estella in 2019 and the Anfas manager was also helpful and kind. He took pilgrims when we were full and he patiently spoke with Phil for about an hour when neither understood the other's language. He gifted us pilgrim shells made by the people who the Anfas albergue benefits. Great place.I’ve used donativo albergues quite a few times, more through availability but I’ve never left less than 20 euros for meal and board, but unfortunately I’ve seen so many pilgrims throwing a handful of loose change into the box, it’s so embarrassing after the hosts have worked so hard to provide a clean albergue and hearty meals.
In Estella the albergue Anfas is run by Down’s syndrome adults and the few volunteer staff. They don’t receive government support they purely survive on the income from pilgrims. In 2017 I was late arriving about 3pm after a long really hot day’s walking and when I checked in they brought me iced cold warter and allowed me to cool down. I was talking to patron who is the manager and he explained the whole background of the Anfas and how they survived so I took it upon myself to make sure every pilgrim staying there that night was aware of it, I even wrote in the comments book and asked everyone to give whatever they could to help raise additional funds. Just after 11pm the patron came looking for me all excited, during the past 8hrs pilgrims had donated just under 500 euros additional funds to help Anfas, I was so pleased for them I drew up a poster coming from a pilgrim to all pilgrims to follow with a short message outlining how they could help support a worthy charity that offers a great experience and lovely and clean.
The patron asked me for my email address to keep in touch and for weeks that followed even on the quieter days raised anything from 150 to 600 euros each day.
I went back and stayed in 2019 at Anfas and someone had drawn up another poster with the same message raising money.
Moral of this is, there are always true pilgrims willing to share the less fortunate.
Thank you to every pilgrim that has stayed and donated extra at the Anfas Albergue.
Be careful not to confuse the sometimes virulent hostility in France towards anything even marginally related to the Church with the generally less hostile situations in Spain.
I meant to suggest not any hostility from those who run these establishments, but hostility against them - - very many donativos or even free places in France that were attached to parish churches have been forcibly shut down over the decades.I walked the 900 km. Voie-de-Vezelay, in France, in June of this year and the hospitality was superb!! I have nothing but great things to say about my hosts and the food they prepared for me along this Way!!
Previously I walked the entire Arles as well as the Le Puy Caminos and once again I can state that the hospitality was excellent.
Thank you for this wonderful info. I now plan to stay here on my pilgrimage through Estella this September.I’ve used donativo albergues quite a few times, more through availability but I’ve never left less than 20 euros for meal and board, but unfortunately I’ve seen so many pilgrims throwing a handful of loose change into the box, it’s so embarrassing after the hosts have worked so hard to provide a clean albergue and hearty meals.
In Estella the albergue Anfas is run by Down’s syndrome adults and the few volunteer staff. They don’t receive government support they purely survive on the income from pilgrims. In 2017 I was late arriving about 3pm after a long really hot day’s walking and when I checked in they brought me iced cold warter and allowed me to cool down. I was talking to patron who is the manager and he explained the whole background of the Anfas and how they survived so I took it upon myself to make sure every pilgrim staying there that night was aware of it, I even wrote in the comments book and asked everyone to give whatever they could to help raise additional funds. Just after 11pm the patron came looking for me all excited, during the past 8hrs pilgrims had donated just under 500 euros additional funds to help Anfas, I was so pleased for them I drew up a poster coming from a pilgrim to all pilgrims to follow with a short message outlining how they could help support a worthy charity that offers a great experience and lovely and clean.
The patron asked me for my email address to keep in touch and for weeks that followed even on the quieter days raised anything from 150 to 600 euros each day.
I went back and stayed in 2019 at Anfas and someone had drawn up another poster with the same message raising money.
Moral of this is, there are always true pilgrims willing to share the less fortunate.
Thank you to every pilgrim that has stayed and donated extra at the Anfas Albergue.
That’s great support YMMV I know they’ll appreciate it and make you feel welcome,Thank you for this wonderful info. I now plan to stay here on my pilgrimage through Estella this September.
Pilgrims at donativo albergues and truly a part of a community. Each should pull their weight, financially and physically , helping where they can, clean and find pride in their place. Pull more than your weight you're on the Way."In 2014, Jean-Marc Lucien, who graciously received 700 to 800 pilgrims each year in St Privat d'Allier, was sued for unfair competition. The person concerned was acquitted in 2016 but was forced to close his cottage and move. "I was receiving threats and my car's tires were constantly punctured," explains the host today."
Article in french:
"Je recevais continuellement des menaces" : sur les chemins de Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle, la dure vie des propriétaires de "donativos"
Sur les chemins de Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle, certains hébergements proposent le gîte et le couvert sur la base d’une libre participation financière. Mais certaines de ces structures, accusées de faire de l’ombre à...www.ladepeche.fr
This is a reason more to be generous in donativos, otherwise they will be considered as unfair competitors. However, their costs are not lower than the others. The only difference is that the price is not fixed: poor pilgrims can be welcomed there as richer ones.
But the system can survive only if those who have more means give more in order to compensate the others.
I think the French hostility to the clergy came before the Spanish history of hostility. I e. French Revolution versus Spanish civil war. In both countries it seems to have subsided somewhat.Be careful not to confuse the sometimes virulent hostility in France towards anything even marginally related to the Church with the generally less hostile situations in Spain.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!!I meant to suggest not any hostility from those who run these establishments, but hostility against them - - very many donativos or even free places in France that were attached to parish churches have been forcibly shut down over the decades.
Sadly, there will always be cheapskates, with many of them being well off. The world we live in. Therefore, for those willing to give, perhaps consider a donation not for that night but for a true donation, as one would make to a charity or non-profit organization. Your kids will get an adequate estate inheritance; they do not need to get all of it. If the means exist, a $100 donation or even higher, would go a long ways toward making up for the skinflints and scrooges that exist and, for those accounting/financial types like me, it can be a tax write off. After all, one does not do a Camino every year for goodness sakes and many people spend a decent amount on flights."In 2014, Jean-Marc Lucien, who graciously received 700 to 800 pilgrims each year in St Privat d'Allier, was sued for unfair competition. The person concerned was acquitted in 2016 but was forced to close his cottage and move. "I was receiving threats and my car's tires were constantly punctured," explains the host today."
Article in french:
"Je recevais continuellement des menaces" : sur les chemins de Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle, la dure vie des propriétaires de "donativos"
Sur les chemins de Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle, certains hébergements proposent le gîte et le couvert sur la base d’une libre participation financière. Mais certaines de ces structures, accusées de faire de l’ombre à...www.ladepeche.fr
This is a reason more to be generous in donativos, otherwise they will be considered as unfair competitors. However, their costs are not lower than the others. The only difference is that the price is not fixed: poor pilgrims can be welcomed there as richer ones.
But the system can survive only if those who have more means give more in order to compensate the others.
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