New Graffiti in recently restored, Catedral de Santiago. Fachada de las platerias.

[arturo garcia]

http://agencias.abc.es/agencias/not...igura+del+exterior+de+la+catedral+de+Santiago

 

[JabbaPapa]

https://elpais.com/cultura/2018/08/06/actualidad/1533552811_017258.html

Someone has defaced the Portico of Glory.

 

[Welshwalker]

Words fail me.

 

[Via2010]

Stupid vandalism. A shame!

People doing this should be punished by having similar tatoo in their face for the rest of their lifetime. I do not think that they would consider this funny...

 

[BeatriceKarjalainen]

I don't know what to say, it makes me so sad.

 

[Peter Fransiscus]

What make people do this, it's so sad

 

[arturo garcia]

For sure not a pilgrim.

 

[LesBrass]

how totally sad and pointless ... I just can never understand why

 

[peregrina2000]

I had heard that the Pórtico de la Gloria visits had been suspended, I wonder if this is why. Let’s hope that the renovations included installation of security cameras and that the perps are caught. A sad, but good reminder why the authorities are now hell bent on keeping pilgrims away from the treasures. If you thought the escapade to touch the Tree of Jesse was just harmless fun or meaningful self-indulgence, I guess we can all now see that there is a real reason for the restrictions.

 

[arturo garcia]

I had heard that the Pórtico de la Gloria visits had been suspended, I wonder if this is why. Let’s hope that the renovations included installation of security cameras and that the perps are caught. A sad, but good reminder why the authorities are now hell bent on keeping pilgrims away from the treasures. If you thought the escapade to touch the tree of jessee was just harmless fun or meaningful self-indulgence, I guess we can all now see that there is a real reason to the restrictions.

They suspended the visits to portico de la gloria 3 days ago because of the Heat wave. (3rd of August)

 

[Annette london]

https://elpais.com/cultura/2018/08/06/actualidad/1533552811_017258.html

Someone has defaced the Portico of Glory.

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What a dreadful thing to do
Can't believe it

Really hope they catch whoever did this

 

[spagirl]

Such wasteful destruction!
I will never understand graffiti. I am never just walking around with paint. Thats the strangest thing - that you have to plan it. The big spray painted graffiti on overpasses confuses the heck out of me.....buying the paint ( expensive where I live) climbing up or down embankments and then hanging at odd angles to get your message on????? Confounding to me!

Don't even get me started on defacing a CHURCH! It would seem to me that the karma on that might be a hefty bill t pay!

 

[Bert45]

I know people have commented on the graffiti on the distance markers elsewhere on this forum, but I really want to express my anger and confusion as to why anybody would do this. As spagirl says, who walks around, especially on a camino where every gram has to be considered and rejected if it's not absolutely necessary, with a can of paint or a permanent felt-tip marker pen? And to whoever wrote "Love Wins" on just about every post between Arzúa and Santiago: No it doesn't! Love didn't win the football world cup, and it doesn't stop your loved ones dying, no matter how much you love them. It's a stupid, stupid, STUPID thing to write. And to the idiot who wrote the 'profound' statement, "Don't regret the past, don't worry about the future, live in the present" on a couple of posts on an alternativo: I'd like to see you try to live in the past or to live in the future. I also appreciate the fact that "You can't fix stupid", but like someone else said, if nobody says how wrong this is, then it will just go on. I know the sort of person who writes graffiti probably will not be reading this forum, but maybe, somehow, the message will get back to them.

 

[Via2010]

You would be surprised, what kind of people leave graffitis. It is not only thoughtless youngsters. I can still remember a visit to Rome with my colleagues (judges!) in 2005. The president of our court, by then a man close to his sixties, carried a felt-tip marker and signed his name on the copoule of St.-Peter. He thought it funny to let everybody know that "Peter .... was here too." I was shocked and ashamed.

 

[KinkyOne]

I'm not religious person (at least not in a Catholic way) but (sorry for this) I would publicly flog the person that did this!

 

[wisepilgrim]

Small point of clarification: this was not on the Portico de Gloria (which is inside the Cathedral) but rather on the other side of the Cathedral and it was painted on the outside of the building. I passed by today and indeed it has been cleaned up with fancy lasers quite well.

Kudos to the reporter for taking the time (or for knowing off-hand) that the depiction is of Eric Singer; as of yet nobody has identified the subject of the sculpture itself.

 

[Bad Pilgrim]

https://elpais.com/cultura/2018/08/06/actualidad/1533552811_017258.html

Someone has defaced the Portico of Glory.

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NO way........ I am speechless

 

[Bad Pilgrim]

I know people have commented on the graffiti on the distance markers elsewhere on this forum, but I really want to express my anger and confusion as to why anybody would do this. As spagirl says, who walks around, especially on a camino where every gram has to be considered and rejected if it's not absolutely necessary, with a can of paint or a permanent felt-tip marker pen? And to whoever wrote "Love Wins" on just about every post between Arzúa and Santiago: No it doesn't! Love didn't win the football world cup, and it doesn't stop your loved ones dying, no matter how much you love them. It's a stupid, stupid, STUPID thing to write. And to the idiot who wrote the 'profound' statement, "Don't regret the past, don't worry about the future, live in the present" on a couple of posts on an alternativo: I'd like to see you try to live in the past or to live in the future. I also appreciate the fact that "You can't fix stupid", but like someone else said, if nobody says how wrong this is, then it will just go on. I know the sort of person who writes graffiti probably will not be reading this forum, but maybe, somehow, the message will get back to them.

OMG Give me a million likes-button now

 

[Tincatinker]

I curse them. Not out of spite, nor rage. I place the old curse on them. May they take many lives to learn.

 

[VNwalking]

May they take many lives to learn.

They obviously haven't learned yet.
But they might if there are cameras that caught the vandalism and they are found. This from the El Pais article (thanks to Google Translate):

The author of the graffiti is exposed to a penalty of between 6,000 and 150,000 euros, corresponding to an action that is qualified as "serious violation" in the Cultural Heritage Act, as explained by the Regional Minister of Culture who says that the law will be applied "with the greatest possible force."

A big fat fine and (dreaming here ) a penalty that involves removing grafitti from the Camino would be just the perfect karmic ticket.

 

[Anamiri]

why...

 

[KinkyOne]

They obviously haven't learned yet.
But they might if there are cameras that caught the vandalism and they are found. This from the El Pais article (thanks to Google Translate):

A big fat fine and (dreaming here ) a penalty that involves removing grafitti from the Camino would be just the perfect karmic ticket.

I like this but I would also expose him/her for at least a week in front of what was done with notice that the people would understand.
I know it's harsh but you think this kind of thing would happen anytime soon in Santiago or anywhere else for that matter??? Don't believe so.

 

[alexwalker]

Just relax, fellow pilgrims: Karma works, and I am certain that it is rushing on its way to Spain right now to give payback for this crime.

Edit: "The author of the graffiti is exposed to a penalty of between 6,000 and 150,000 euros, corresponding to an action that is qualified as "serious violation" in the Cultural Heritage Act, as explained by the Regional Minister of Culture who says that the law will be applied "with the greatest possible force."

150.000 Euros sounds good to me. In addition to my private penalty that I wish to conduct, which I will not disclose, as my language would surely offend all minors in here...

 

[nycwalking]

I thought this kind of boredom only happened in very large metropolis's.

Poor saps. God forgive 'um cause they know not what they do.

 

[MichaelB10398]

There are few things that cause instant anger in me. Please do not ask why it is one of my many shortcomings. However, this is one of them - I devolve into a very Old Testament kind of fellow that would comfortably chop the hands off of people that do this. I don't care what kind of graffiti it is, but if you paint it then you lose it.
I know I should feel more compassion, but in this instance, I fail utterly.

 

[Kanga]

No forgiveness without repentance in my book. Some kind of serious penance required. I'm not talking religion here. With the right to live in a society comes responsibility, and this person seems to be without it entirely.

I'd banish them to somewhere remote, inhospitable, barren and lonely. Without internet.

 

[Bala]

Sadly, the person who did this probably thinks it was very funny and very clever and, "Oh, look! We even made the newspapers, hahahaha".

Makes me sick. I'm totally in the chop-off-the-hands camp.

 

[Bradypus]

The initial clean-up was mostly successful but left a visible blue tint behind. A local news website says that further work will be carried out to try to remove it.
https://www.laopinioncoruna.es/sociedad/2018/08/07/pintada-catedral-santiago-borrada/1317127.html

 

[Stephen Nicholls]

Makes me sick. I'm totally in the chop-off-the-hands camp.

..... maybe not only the hands, Bala!

 

[Paladina]

Sadly, the person who did this probably thinks it was very funny and very clever and, "Oh, look! We even made the newspapers, hahahaha".

Makes me sick. I'm totally in the chop-off-the-hands camp.

Please, no violence! Instead of chopping off the culprit’s hands, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to make him or her use them to clean up the graffiti on waymakers along a long section of the Camino?

 

[Bala]

Not to worry, @Paladina. No one's hands are going to get chopped off. But no one is going to be punished by having to clean up all the graffiti along to Camino, either.

 

[Paladina]

Not to worry, @Paladina. No one's hands are going to get chopped off. But no one is going to be punished by having to clean up all the graffiti along to Camino, either.

It’s a deterrent. The culprit may view it a punishment or a privilege. Either way, he or she is unlikely to repeat the offence and might even become a convert.

 

[sandyecds]

When asked what one needs to bring, I replly a felt tip pen often seems to be a requirement since so many pilgrims write all over everything with one.

 

[ivar]

I had heard that the Pórtico de la Gloria visits had been suspended, I wonder if this is why.

I do not think this is related. I think (I do not know) the temporary closure of the Portico was related to the heat... we had a few days of 37c heat... and with the front doors of the cathedral open, the heat comes in... we are back in the 20s today, and the lines on the Obradoiro was very long today, so it seems it is open again now

 

[GailGwyn]

https://elpais.com/cultura/2018/08/06/actualidad/1533552811_017258.html

Someone has defaced the Portico of Glory.

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Why do this? So sad.

 

[Bradypus]

we are back in the 20s today, and the lines on the Obradoiro was very long today, so it seems it is open again now

La Voz de Galicia has just posted an article reporting queues for over five hours to see the Portico!

https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notic...er-portico-gloria/00031533652840121595170.htm

 

[PilgrimJames]

I still feel so angry about this vandalism. Where have we as a society or in this generation failed to instill moral values, respect, tolerance, and even appreciation of art into our fellow human beings. I do not assume an age or gender of the perpetrator of this vile act. It really just beggars belief when we realise that the Cathedral has survived wars and hundreds of years of weather only for this damage to be inflicted by some mindless moran. Shocking! So sad.

 

[JennyH94]

The news of the senseless graffiti has been reported in The Evening Standard in London today ... why, oh why could anyone think that this is a cool thing to do? It’s not - it’s just stupid. Here’s the article -



Best wishes to all - Jenny

 

[William Garza]

Grrrrrrr.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...809/police-hunt-vandal-who-daubed-cat-face-on

 

[yaying]

i dislike!
first time i cant like your post!

 

[William Garza]

Who woupd do this..and why...its a world heritage site..it belongs to the people of Spain and the world

 

[yaying]

hmmm... sad!

 

[freespirit]

https://elpais.com/cultura/2018/08/06/actualidad/1533552811_017258.html

Someone has defaced the Portico of Glory.

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The people that do this kind of thing are just ignorant as S##t

 

[Djimbo]

http://agencias.abc.es/agencias/not...igura+del+exterior+de+la+catedral+de+Santiago

The lack of respect for culture and tradition, and for things not your own, is sad indeed!

 

[Manny D]

http://agencias.abc.es/agencias/not...igura+del+exterior+de+la+catedral+de+Santiago

As the article reported, the vandalism was done not at the Portico de la Gloria but at the South Facade of the Cathedral facing the Plaza de Platerias. In whatever place it is committed, vandalism still is unacceptable.

 

[Robo]

Edit: "The author of the graffiti is exposed to a penalty of between 6,000 and 150,000 euros, .

What good is a big fine, when the mindless moron probably has no money and lives off the State anyway.

Put them in stocks in front of the cathedral for a week, with only bread and water...

I'm sorry, but I'm not in the camp of fines and 'rehabilitation' for criminals.
Severe 'punishment' is the only real deterrent IMO.

 

[VNwalking]

What good is a big fine, when the mindless moron probably has no money and lives off the State anyway.

Well, we don't know who it is - the person is as likely to be a dumb kid with a big attitude and an inability to consider the consequences of their actions.
I say let them clean up graffiti defacement on the Camino for a year.

 

[SabsP]

Very right so,, the trouble is the know it all social workers who think they know it all, say the poor boy comes from a broken home,had a hard life etc etc, so have loads of other people,but they dont do things like that, i used to play the field a bit when younger,but would never dream of doing things like that, i would have got a good backhander,and it never hurt me, but we must not run the poor little boy down,,,he has had a hard life.

Hello. As a social worker myself I feel I must speak out. No, we professionals do not find excuses for people doing such things. We will stress out to them how important it is do the " good thing " and repay in any way possible what they did wrong! Being it in paying a hefty fine or doing some serious community work.
Even broken homes can provide a good education btw.

Also I met numerous rich kids from privileged backgrounds doing equally stupid things.

 

[VNwalking]

Very right so,, the trouble is the know it all social workers who think they know it all, say the poor boy comes from a broken home,had a hard life etc etc, so have loads of other people,but they dont do things like that, i used to play the field a bit when younger,but would never dream of doing things like that, i would have got a good backhander,and it never hurt me, but we must not run the poor little boy down,,,he has had a hard life.

He who is without sin can cast the first stone.

 

[yaying]

He who is without sin can cast the first stone.

but what if it keeps repeating sinssss and making it bigger & bigger?

 

[Kanga]

We are just venting - I don't think this thread is going anywhere really. We don't know who did it, and it is more likely that I will win the lottery than the perpetrator will read this forum. Let alone taking any notice of what we think.

 

[SabsP]

We are just venting - I don't think this thread is going anywhere really. We don't know who did it, and it is more likely that I will win the lottery than the perpetrator will read this forum. Let alone taking any notice of what we think.

With all respect I do not see this as venting. I think in these cases it is always important to engage in a positive and constructive debate. Like the discussions here on the forum regarding picking up litter, respecting local culture, not setting fire to your clothes in Finisterre etc..etc...
I might be oldfashioned but I do believe in the educational value of a forum.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

With all respect I do not see this as venting. I think in these cases it is always important to engage in a positive and constructive debate. Like the discussions here on the forum regarding picking up litter, respecting local culture, not setting fire to your clothes in Finisterre etc..etc...
I might be oldfashioned but I do believe in the educational value of a forum.

Hmmm, good point!

 

[Camino Chrissy]

Surely, some restoration people will come in ASAP to clean this up, maybe with a toothbrush and paint thinner or a a tiny sandblaster used very carefully.?

 

[VNwalking]

Surely, some restoration people will come in ASAP to clean this up, maybe with a toothbrush and paint thinner or a a tiny sandblaster used very carefully.?

Maybe it's already done? Anyone in Santiago - @ivar, @SYates, @natefaith, @JohnnieWalker?

We don't know who did it, and it is more likely that I will win the lottery than the perpetrator will read this forum.

This is very true, - whatever we are saying here about the graffiti itself is like an arrow shot into space. The people who were doing the defacement obviously won't be reading it.
But that misses the point that @SabineP was offering a gentle but firm response to someone here who was offering a toxic judgement about imaginary people who exist in the world of his ideas, not in reality. Hopefully that post will land, to be read and pondered with a pilgrim's eye.

 

[Peter Fransiscus]

the trouble is the know it all social workers who think they know it all,

In my honest opinion , this remark is not on it's place here .

 

[freespirit]

In my honest opinion , this remark is not on it's place here .

That's your opinion not mine

 

[freespirit]

He who is without sin can cast the first stone.

I didn't say I had no sin we all have

 

[freespirit]

Hello. As a social worker myself I feel I must speak out. No, we professionals do not find excuses for people doing such things. We will stress out to them how important it is do the " good thing " and repay in any way possible what they did wrong! Being it in paying a hefty fine or doing some serious community work.
Even broken homes can provide a good education btw.

Also I met numerous rich kids from privileged backgrounds doing equally stupid things.

I was not running all social workers down just some of them and I agree with your comment and reply

 

[Peter Fransiscus]

right so,, the trouble is the know it all social workers who think they know it all,

You did running all social workers down , when you don't mean that you have to write it in a other way.

 

[freespirit]

You did running all social workers down , when you don't mean that you have to write it in a other way.

It seems I have to again say sorry if I have offended any other social workers don't take it personal dear friends I know deep down you all do a good job

 

[Peter Fransiscus]

It seems I have to again say sorry if I have offended any other social workers don't take it personal dear friends I know deep down you all do a good job

Thanks.