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Past experience has been that it can take a very long time for the websites to be updated to reflect changes in policy. And the cathedral/pilgrim office are rarely proactive in publicising such changes. A simple unambiguous statement of what the pilgrim office now requires for a Compostela would be very helpful. Announcing what appears to be a major change in policy on the hoof in a video interview for a fairly limited foreign audience may create far more confusion than clarity.It would be best if this were put in written form and in clear language. Is it on their website - at least on one of them, be it the website of the Pilgrim’s Office or the Cathedral’s website itself.
if you
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start the Camino in USA for example I
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don't know in San Diego and complete and
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complete the the 100 kilometers with the
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last stage in
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Santiago and I can get you the the
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compostella very good so yeah that's new
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with San Antonio and uh I believe it's
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St Augustine in Florida and San Antonio
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in Texas uh there may be others uh that
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are doing that so you can do I think
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it's 25 kilometers in the United
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States yeah and then the other 75 yeah
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and now now is it that that's one thing
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that a lot of pilgrims have questions of
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is it the last
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75
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kilometers continuous into
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Santiago is that or not continuous or
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not continuous the last stage
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yeah
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last the last stage yeah you have
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to to do the the Camino to Santiago but
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not necessarily you have to do uh the
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others I don't know 90 kilomet uh
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by continue
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continuous continuous yeah you can
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Santiago jump uhuh in the same Camino
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you can jump you can yeah so so let me
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ask you this if I started in sanan
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France and I know many Spaniards don't
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believe in starting in San but if I
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start J to buros or Leon and you
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continue to Santiago but how about if I
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started in s Johan and then I skipped
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and I started in
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Azura that's not that's not far enough
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is it or is it far enough if I get a a
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full 100 kilometers
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in yeah you can do it you can yeah so
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you could start in
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Azura or yeah yeah or in Istanbul in
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Ean
Personally I would argue that anyone who flies to SdC and visits the cathedral and the tomb of the Apostle in the right spirit is making a pilgrimage to Santiago. 30 years ago the cathedral made the decision to make receiving a Compostela dependent on an additional condition of walking or cycling a set minimum distance. This has distorted the basic understanding of pilgrimage in relation to Santiago in a way that does not apply for almost all other Christian pilgrimage destinations. Making a pilgrimage to Santiago and qualifying for a Compostela under the cathedral's rules are different things.According to the rules as explained in de video, I could walk 100 kms along the Northern camino in my home area, sleep every night in my own bed (with a little planning), take a flight to SdC and walk from the airport to the Cathedral and providing I have enough stamps, this would count as a pilgrimage to Santiago.
Let us wait, Ivar will clear the question. Will not beleave, that I can made the 100 km somewhere and finish from Monte Gozo to the cathedral.New rules for obtaining the Compostela have just been announced. It is not anymore necessary to walk/bike/ride/sail the LAST 100km into Santiago, any 100km on any Camino will do AS LONG as the last stage you do ends in Santiago. Source:
I agree with you 100%. Millions of pilgrims visit dozens of Christian shrines every year without having to walk there. The 100km rule introduced by the cathedral in the 1990s created huge crowds walking from Sarria and accusations of cheating for those who might start their walk further back and take occasional transport before arriving in Sarria. Walking pilgrims usually account for a small % of pilgrims who visit Santiago, especially in Holy Years.Personally I would argue that anyone who flies to SdC and visits the cathedral and the tomb of the Apostle in the right spirit is making a pilgrimage to Santiago. 30 years ago the cathedral made the decision to make receiving a Compostela dependent on an additional condition of walking or cycling a set minimum distance. This has distorted the basic understanding of pilgrimage in relation to Santiago in a way that does not apply for almost all other Christian pilgrimage destinations. Making a pilgrimage to Santiago and qualifying for a Compostela under the cathedral's rules are different things.
Do you get certificates or something similar when you visit those others shrines without making a pilgrimage walk?I agree with you 100%. Millions of pilgrims visit dozens of Christian shrines every year without having to walk there. The 100km rule introduced by the cathedral in the 1990s created huge crowds walking from Sarria and accusations of cheating for those who might start their walk further back and take occasional transport before arriving in Sarria. Walking pilgrims usually account for a small % of pilgrims who visit Santiago, especially in Holy Years.
That is the rule as it is applied, but it does not agree with the wording ON the compostela.Just imagine. A Compostela is awarded to anyone who makes pilgrimage to the shrine of Santiago, with religious intent or at least in a sense of search.
Do you get certificates or something similar when you visit those others shrines without making a pilgrimage walk?
I don’t mind these changes, although it would be nice if my Compostela for walking 800 km is different from the person who took a tour bus…
I recently walked part of the way to Fatima from Lisbon. I was the only pilgrim walking, although I did meet one cyclist on his way to Santiago. When I got there I found hundreds of fellow pilgrims. There was no Compostela or anything like that and the spiritual experience/ reward was Fatima itself not just the journey or a piece of paper. I was allowed into the basilica’s with my backpack on and treated as a pilgrim, no one cared how I got there, just that I had bothered to make the journey. The real reward for me was joining about 300 other pilgrims in a candle lit procession at 10.15pm, a wonderful experience.There is the Plenary Indulgence for those who follow some specific observations. For some pilgrims it might feel more important than receiving " a paper Compostela "
I do not want to start another true pilgrim or tourist versus pilgrim discussion but I know for sure that some " tour bus " visitors to Santiago are more devout pilgrims than I with my more than 3000 km walking.
The Plenary Indulgence: The Jubilee
In order to gain the Jubilee Indulgence individuals must: Visit the Cathedral of Santiago, go to confession and go to communion.oficinadelperegrino.com
I have walked the Via Francigena from Canterbury to Rome and two of the Olavsleden routes which end in Trondheim. Both walking pilgrimage routes revived or created (choose your own verb) after the success of the Camino revival and modelled upon the Caminos. Both the VF and the Olavsleden offer a certificate to those who walk at least 100km and produce a stamped credencial as evidence. No coincidence.Do you get certificates or something similar when you visit those others shrines without making a pilgrimage walk?
In the interview the canon appears to be saying that there will still be a minimum distance requirement of 100km but not necessarily the final 100km into Santiago.But under this potential new system, you can just show up in Santiago and get the certificate?
OK, whoops, I misunderstood. I'm going to delete my last comment.In the interview the canon appears to be saying that there will still be a minimum distance requirement of 100km but not necessarily the final 100km into Santiago.
Portuguese pilgrims walking to Fátima often have some organization behind them, with support vans and everything. The idea that one must carry a backpack, walk a specific number of kilometers, or fulfill certain requirements to be considered a pilgrim is not a thing.(...) no one cared how I got there, just that I had bothered to make the journey. (...)
Portuguese pilgrims walking to Fátima often have some organization behind them, with support vans and everything. The idea that one must carry a backpack, walk a specific number of kilometers, or fulfill certain requirements to be considered a pilgrim is not a thing.
Edit: Not trying to start a debate about who's a pilgrim—just giving some context about pilgrimage to Fátima.
Remember the Camino de Santiago is 1200 yrs. old. The only way to do it was on foot or horseback. It was taken on for some as a sentence from the Inquisition, for some as a penance from a Bishop, and for others it was to receive a Plenary Indulgence. It has nothing in comparison with Lourdes, Fatima, Medjugorje, etc. Obviously, for the first 1,000 years it was not on anybody's bucket list as a holiday outing.“Keep your eyes on the prize” as my old rugby coach never bothered to say while we floundered in the mud
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